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this will be a lengthy introduction and

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I hope that you don't skip it because I

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have several important messages but if

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you would like to then as usual you can

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there's the time code man oh man this

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was months in the making this is the

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culmination of the variety of

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half hour live stream the guest list is

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so large I'm just gonna have to read

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this they include Michael Levin Don

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Hoffman Carlos from The semf Institute

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Andy from that UFO podcast Dan from that

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UFO podcast Gary Nolan John verakee

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Christina Gomez avilobe Jack from asking

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anything Bernardo Castro Artisan Tony

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Professor abai ashtakara physics Kevin

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knuth of physics Anthony mativier George

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inferenced Institute Lou Angelus Robert

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this Virago was intentional on my part

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as unlikely interming anglings are not

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only in the mirthful holiday spirits but

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more of YouTube is an incredibly

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competitive space and YouTubers don't

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speaking especially as they get larger

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on doing a follow-up on that in about a

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month or so highlighting some more

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disparate Fields with prodigiously

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of the guests so thank you thank you to

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all the people mentioned above and thank

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success tonanza will be a yearly

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of Brilliant Minds thank you for making

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Lillian dindo so that's a that's an

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code to to several people like everyone

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essentially but I've forgotten you can't

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remember everyone and so some people

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and this will be a common theme I'll say

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over and over if I've forgotten you

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please message me and also if I don't

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get to the Twitter because Mick it's

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year T car T car says congrats on the

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new office I will match dollar for

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dollar any donations on this channel up

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to 1000 us and he donated 100 already

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let me put on some music for that

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just so you know

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something I try to do with toe is make

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sure that music is almost never

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Incorporated and loud sounds are not

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Incorporated and if they are they're not

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loud because many people listen to this

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podcast as they go to sleep

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listening to something that you think is

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relaxing it's somewhat stimulating but

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it's not terribly stimulating such that

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you can't sleep and and you're just

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about to fall asleep and then all of a

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sudden there's a car crash or they cut

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to someone else's video and if they're

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levels properly

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that's something to keep in mind about

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all new toe episodes all toe episodes

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from 2022 forward

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will be mixed such that you can listen

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to them

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as you sleep

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Austin thank you fifty dollars thank you

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Austin wow holy moly

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thanks Jake

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that is that is correct Mt Daniel

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schmattenberger will be making an

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let's bankrupt t-car

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okay while we're waiting while we're

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waiting and this is not even waiting

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this is the show

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there are

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there's plenty to promote so there's the

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Discord if you want to continue

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conversations on toes and go in depth

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conversing with other people then

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there's the Discord link I will leave

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that somewhere just a moment that's in

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every episode

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it has the Discord Link in

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the description

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as well as the link to the subreddit

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there's also a subreddit of memes Kurt

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gymungal memes

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and if you would like to contribute on a

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monthly basis and support the channel

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let me place that on this as well

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ah okay so they're popping in and out of

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the Smite let's see let me bring this

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down a bit

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again this is all the pre-show

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as soon as Ian comes in that's when it

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starts that's when the game Begins the

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we're just so exhilarated here

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Todd thank you thank you so much thank

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you all for the support thank you all

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for watching for the past year it's been

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astounding and outstanding all right

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Mike who says I'm not that's the famous

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Einstein experiment you can't tell if

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[Music]

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again if I've forgotten an invitation

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message me DM me on Twitter the DMS are

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open it's tow with Kurt so add Toe with

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Kurt

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I'm dealing with plenty of messages

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recently

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speaking of chat

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there's been

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oh recently

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wow okay just a moment just a moment

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wish hey that like every single dollar

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helps please never say that you wish you

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could give more what you give

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even if it's 10 cents that helps a

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tremendous tremendous amount it doesn't

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sound like it

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but it does thank you thank you and it

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helps even especially in terms of morals

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morale sorry morals morale it helps in

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terms of morale

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twenty dollars thank you thank you 10

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pounds thank you

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the current conversion rate that's like

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what topics will you deal with we're

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just today this is just meant for myself

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for Sam for you all for the guests this

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just meant for us to relax I'm sure

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you'll notice that I'm

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I much less tense there's less

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well there is delirium in me but there's

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less agitation in me than usual because

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I'm not there's not much pressure this

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is just meant for us to have a festive

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night and also also I like to go long I

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love long podcasts so okay no sandwich

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all right I like it I like to go along I

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do and

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often it's the podcast guess who runs

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out of stamina but that again like I'm

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not saying that is that a

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as any Testament to my stamina it's just

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that I have a much easier job as the

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person asking questions but the point is

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I like to continue I can go for 14 hours

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I would love to do a 14 hour podcast

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anyway this is close this is eight hours

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so maybe we'll see how I'm looking by

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the end of this it'll be great to see a

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shot by shot comparison

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UAP UK thank you thank you thank you

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wow thank you thank you John me burger

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or Nye Burger looking forward to having

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a great time today and a great 2023

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thanks for everything Kurt thank you

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thank you John gave 50 that's a

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okay I'm gonna take off this music

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let's do this this time

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yeah

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large fluffy bed

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but get your mind out of the gutter it's

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not you're not gonna be that lucky not

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like that just let's relax that I should

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have said large Comfy Couch

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so Prince wants to know what topics

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we're dealing with this year and again

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there are several several

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huge plans

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I'm curious what you all would like to

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see explored more of

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and what you'd like to see explored

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that's different so that's not been

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explored until

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Lisa thank you thank you so much

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Tony

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will be on later thank you thank you

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Tony

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Rasik thank you

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Matthew Tableau Talbot I apologize thank

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you thank you wow Matthew says I've

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never given to any podcaster but you're

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different thank you for doing this

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just like just I I just feel So Unworthy

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foreign

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oh don't worry just even saying even

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just just we're us all like

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it's so difficult I want to say thank

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you but I feel like that's so impersonal

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because I'm saying it to an audience and

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I I want to I'm just gonna say thank you

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to the different people's names who show

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up I don't like to deal with the large

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groups so day a DA ah thank you a thank

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you Matthew thank you Emmanuel thank you

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tikar thank you Charlie thank you

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Leandro thank you gnome hey

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hey thank you Kenneth thank you Tony

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thank you jalapeno Matthew

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can't pronounce that I can't I'm sorry

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so

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one

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hint thank you Andrea PNF again hi din

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thank you Rick thank you goon thank you

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shoshana thank you and see you soon

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Prince thank you again Stephen thank you

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Vincent thank you Phil thank you sneaky

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toaster thank you Arjun thank you thank

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Elver thank you

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MF Damien digging the high energy Kurt

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thank you Tommy thank you Kenneth thank

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you it's me Luigi thank you

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towel towel

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answers for everything by 2027. I have

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this feeling people make plenty of

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well there's plenty of attention paid to

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prodigies like child prodigies but I

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tend to

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adore respect and learn more from people

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who much later in life came to something

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like math or physics so that is when

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they're 30 or 40 or even 50. for myself

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I don't feel like I'll have a belt on

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channel until I'm 57 and I think that's

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okay I think that there's something at

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least for me there's something honest

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about that there's something premature

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about having it before you're well while

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you're in your 20s and something that

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the PHD that the sorry that the academy

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does to you is they get you to do some

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research for your PhD when you're in

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your 20s when you're in your creative

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Prime and when you're in your early 30s

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which is when you should be evaluating

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several other ideas rather than pursuing

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a single one that you've chosen based on

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some based on based on your research or

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your professor so then you've inherited

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their biases

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I think that you should do your PhD when

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you're 50. anyway chops citizen thank

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Archangel arc angel thank you

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Gangsta thank you Indiana thank you

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Daniel thank you

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Tommy thank you

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wow wow wow kyleen thank you so right

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now we're waiting for Ian mcgilchrist

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and this whole stream is not just going

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to be thank yous though I would love it

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to just be eight hours of thank yous

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because I do thank you all and anyone

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who comments over the next two minutes

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I'm going to thank you personally with

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your name can't continue that the whole

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show gotta pay attention to guests

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but anyway this is going to be like I

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mentioned relaxed I don't have an agenda

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specifically we have an itinerary so

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that is we have some guests scheduled

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but I have no questions for them I don't

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want questions for them this is meant to

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be like a public house like a pub you

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come in and it's mirthful and it's happy

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and it's euphoric and

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kyleen says thank you so much for your

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content thought provoking interesting

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it's giving me so many jumping off

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topics looking forward to supporting you

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Artisan Tony's interview with Lou

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Elizondo was very much was a very much

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sorry was very much a missed gem

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everyone needs to watch it

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that comes from Mike

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Laura 57 I'm 57 yeah

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props to all the 57 people

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there's something special about the

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number 57 157 in particular

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James R crypto thank you speaks thank

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you Zayden thank you

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John again thank you PNF ah aye PNF

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you're 57 great

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go to scroll all right that's an

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interesting name thank you Baff on me

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baffon met bath omit thank you

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Andrew asking anything with Jack thank

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okay late thank you

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I don't I know the IQ so fluid IQ

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apparently Peaks when you're around 18

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to 24.

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there's much more to intelligence than

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and I don't know if wisdom Peaks when

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you're older so that's something that's

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commonly said but I I like to go

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I like to stir the pot and say you're

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your most wise when you're a teenager

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00:25:31,070 --> 00:25:28,559
when you get progressively less wise and

556
00:25:33,289 --> 00:25:31,080
smarter iqys

557
00:25:35,930 --> 00:25:33,299
hides in the long grass

558
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Matthew thank you Phil thank you Laura

559
00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:38,279
thank you Dave thank you Nathan thank

560
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,740
you Mike thank you sneaky toaster thank

561
00:25:44,750 --> 00:25:42,480
you you are by far one of the best

562
00:25:46,850 --> 00:25:44,760
interviewers geez so this is something

563
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,860
I'm not even trying to interview someone

564
00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:48,720
I don't even think of it as interviews I

565
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,580
just think of it as someone's as a

566
00:25:54,169 --> 00:25:52,080
professor's office hours and I'm getting

567
00:25:55,549 --> 00:25:54,179
to ask questions to fill in gaps in my

568
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:55,559
knowledge like there are holes and there

569
00:25:59,330 --> 00:25:57,120
are gaps in the wall behind me it's like

570
00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:59,340
I'm just trying to put pieces together

571
00:26:03,049 --> 00:26:01,320
and so I'm asking well does this fit

572
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:03,059
here okay what about this because you

573
00:26:06,529 --> 00:26:04,740
you said this explains this but I don't

574
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:06,539
see how

575
00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:10,200
and either way well thank you

576
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:19,490
Hannah thank you thank you thank you

577
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,980
and thank you for your being Hannah

578
00:26:27,409 --> 00:26:25,200
Chris Ms thank you

579
00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:27,419
love thank you Trish thank you Cosmic

580
00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:31,080
thank you oh man I I said I'd thank all

581
00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:33,179
these people geez so many more comments

582
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:34,860
okay speed gaming news thank you

583
00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:37,500
Indiana's thank you MB user thank you

584
00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:38,940
for people who are listening because

585
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this is going to be re-released as a

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down edit it put proper audio

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in the product

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okay you'll hear more about that later

603
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Ian mcgilchrist is in the house and

604
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:27,960
speaking of a book some books are great

605
00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:29,700
as blinks as Snippets that you want to

606
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,980
go through Ian is one that you want to

607
00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:34,080
Wade through you want to envelop

608
00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:36,120
yourself you want to you want to swim

609
00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:37,620
you want to let it soak you want to get

610
00:27:40,730 --> 00:27:39,059
your fingers you want that to happen

611
00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:40,740
with Ian's book

612
00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:42,360
it's called the matter with things just

613
00:27:45,769 --> 00:27:44,400
so you know there are two books I'm

614
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:45,779
gonna let you in because I want to see

615
00:27:50,350 --> 00:27:48,480
his face as I compliment him not on

616
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,360
dealing Hi Ian

617
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:53,279
hello good good to see you it's good to

618
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:54,480
see you man

619
00:27:58,140 --> 00:27:57,240
yes don't get wrinkly fingers on my

620
00:27:58,250 --> 00:27:58,150
account

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00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:58,260
[Music]

622
00:28:01,250 --> 00:27:59,880
um

623
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:01,260
so

624
00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:06,900
that onto I've consistently said this

625
00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:08,700
these are the books that I recommend one

626
00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:10,620
is a physics book so it's called the

627
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:13,020
order of time that's Carlo rivelli and

628
00:28:17,149 --> 00:28:14,700
then the other is

629
00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:17,159
a much more expansive book about

630
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:18,840
Neuroscience cognitive science

631
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:21,900
Consciousness called

632
00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:24,600
the master and his Emissary or master

633
00:28:28,090 --> 00:28:26,100
and his Emissary and you can look that

634
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,100
up the links will be in the description

635
00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:30,720
Ian has another book if you thought

636
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:32,580
master and his Emissary was at home like

637
00:28:36,289 --> 00:28:34,260
oh my gosh this is a book you can just

638
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:36,299
you can spend a year or two years

639
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,460
reading and that's a that's a positive

640
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:40,640
that's not a negative

641
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:43,320
and so

642
00:28:48,409 --> 00:28:46,320
I'm looking forward to delving into that

643
00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:48,419
book and having a proper interview with

644
00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:50,580
you Ian for now this is just for you to

645
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:52,200
say hi to audience like there's so many

646
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,700
people that are saying what the master

647
00:28:59,470 --> 00:28:55,520
in his emissary

648
00:29:01,370 --> 00:28:59,480
let's see sweet the Superstar yes Ian

649
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,380
yeah you want your fingers to get

650
00:29:05,090 --> 00:29:03,120
wrinkly

651
00:29:06,610 --> 00:29:05,100
so hi

652
00:29:09,549 --> 00:29:06,620
hi

653
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,559
thank you very much for that uh

654
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,240
anybody who who still wants to read it

655
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,679
after hearing that it might take them

656
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,600
two to three years well good luck but I

657
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,000
reckon that if you if you really want to

658
00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:21,360
you can do it in about six weeks I I I'm

659
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,320
going to be re uh reading the audiobook

660
00:29:30,110 --> 00:29:28,080
um because people said the audiobook

661
00:29:32,210 --> 00:29:30,120
we'd love to have that but we don't

662
00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:32,220
think that the master and his

663
00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:34,500
atmospheres audio book version was that

664
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:36,899
good so could you do it yourself this

665
00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:39,240
time and so I'm setting aside something

666
00:29:44,029 --> 00:29:42,179
like a 90 hours or something to read

667
00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:44,039
this aloud

668
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:47,460
um right and uh yeah true and the other

669
00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:51,120
piece of news is that in 2023 at some

670
00:29:54,889 --> 00:29:52,380
point we're going to be releasing a

671
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:54,899
paperback so it's already available on

672
00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:57,600
Kindle but anybody who's

673
00:30:01,610 --> 00:30:00,059
anybody who's a really serious reader

674
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,620
will want to have a copy of the hardback

675
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,840
before it disappears because it's such a

676
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:05,760
beautiful book I think and it's

677
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:08,940
currently in her really is currently in

678
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,440
hardback it started off in hardback and

679
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:15,600
um we sold about 12 000 copies of the

680
00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:16,860
hardback and I thought it was about time

681
00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:19,860
to move into the paperback and and all

682
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:21,539
the rest so there we are that's my

683
00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:23,340
favorite comment this is asking anything

684
00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:24,840
with Jack said I read the matter of

685
00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:27,899
things with my iPhone Mini

686
00:30:34,669 --> 00:30:31,080
it's an iPhone Mini even smaller than an

687
00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:34,679
iPhone I can't I can't believe it

688
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,380
it's a Happy New Year to Ian from Mike

689
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:39,120
Ian thank you so much for coming out to

690
00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:40,320
this thank you

691
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:43,260
so what's new with you man yeah

692
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:44,640
well

693
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,600
um

694
00:30:50,289 --> 00:30:47,279
what are you working on basically I'm

695
00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:50,299
allowing things well I what's coming up

696
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,220
uh quite a long period a fallow period I

697
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:55,440
mean it took me 10 years of solid work

698
00:31:00,649 --> 00:30:58,559
to produce that last book and uh it's

699
00:31:01,789 --> 00:31:00,659
taken me most of the last years to sort

700
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:01,799
of

701
00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:04,320
um regrouped my my thoughts because I've

702
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,380
been busy talking and doing interviews

703
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:09,120
and traveling

704
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,520
um what I haven't made is really a

705
00:31:15,490 --> 00:31:13,679
couple of books one which I've been

706
00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:15,500
promising for a long time because I've

707
00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:17,940
over a lifetime

708
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:19,860
um assembled a number of very

709
00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:23,039
interesting paintings by psychotic

710
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:25,260
patients of mine and to do a study

711
00:31:31,549 --> 00:31:28,860
generally of the the artwork of people

712
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:31,559
with psychiatric illnesses because I

713
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,880
think it's absolutely fascinating and

714
00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:34,080
many of the paintings are really

715
00:31:38,570 --> 00:31:36,360
beautiful so I think that would be that

716
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:38,580
would be a less ambitious task than the

717
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:41,580
ones I've set myself in recent years and

718
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:43,380
perhaps another would be just to write a

719
00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:46,559
short book of like

720
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:49,140
um very short comments aphorisms you

721
00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:50,760
know things like that yeah the very

722
00:31:55,149 --> 00:31:53,460
opposite of my you know other other

723
00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:55,159
works yeah

724
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,740
do you find that the patients who have a

725
00:32:02,450 --> 00:32:00,480
mental condition that they produce work

726
00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:02,460
of higher qualities or it's sorry of

727
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:04,260
higher quality or it's just Divergent

728
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,820
and so you get extremely high quality

729
00:32:09,230 --> 00:32:07,919
but you get extremely lower quality

730
00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:09,240
or you don't even want to think of in

731
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:11,100
terms of quality

732
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:13,080
well I think you'd have to bring to bear

733
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:16,679
different criteria on it so

734
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:17,360
um

735
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:21,120
so it no it's not just more beautiful or

736
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:22,799
more beautifully executed though some of

737
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,140
the paintings are both very beautiful

738
00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:27,360
and very beautifully executed is that

739
00:32:32,649 --> 00:32:30,179
they introduce us to an amazing way of

740
00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:32,659
looking at the world they're they're

741
00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:36,899
astonishing Little Gems of they explain

742
00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:38,760
things that really can hardly be put

743
00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:40,620
into words and that's presumably why

744
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:43,380
they spent the time creating these

745
00:32:50,029 --> 00:32:45,899
extraordinary images so I think they're

746
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,039
fascinating and um you know worth worth

747
00:32:53,389 --> 00:32:51,840
looking at from anybody's point of view

748
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:53,399
even if you're not interested in mental

749
00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:54,360
illness

750
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,059
what what does it take from you to write

751
00:33:01,310 --> 00:32:59,039
such books

752
00:33:03,289 --> 00:33:01,320
okay so that's a problem what I mean is

753
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:03,299
firstly mentally yeah

754
00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:05,640
in terms of research in terms of how you

755
00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:07,980
structure your day as well

756
00:33:12,889 --> 00:33:11,340
yeah the long books took a lot of work

757
00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:12,899
um because

758
00:33:17,389 --> 00:33:15,299
I was simultaneously assembling an

759
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:17,399
enormous amount of material researching

760
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:20,399
it organizing it

761
00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:23,100
um and putting it together and it's an

762
00:33:28,009 --> 00:33:25,019
organic process in which I kept going

763
00:33:30,049 --> 00:33:28,019
backwards and forwards between uh oh hi

764
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,059
Mike that's really nice to see you by

765
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:33,120
the way Mike 11 is in the house huge

766
00:33:39,649 --> 00:33:34,799
pleasure to meet you in

767
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:41,330
um

768
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:46,200
long book like the matter where things

769
00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:47,820
took an enormous amount out of me

770
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:49,500
because I was doing both very detailed

771
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,460
work and Broad thinking and joining up

772
00:33:57,529 --> 00:33:55,679
the dots and seeing the bigger picture

773
00:34:00,889 --> 00:33:57,539
which is in a way

774
00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:00,899
um a a an exemplification of my belief

775
00:34:05,389 --> 00:34:03,000
that the two hemispheres weren't paying

776
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,399
very localized detailed focus and the

777
00:34:09,409 --> 00:34:07,440
other paying a much broader sustained

778
00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:09,419
folks need to be working together but I

779
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:12,419
found your work my I mean nothing very

780
00:34:17,570 --> 00:34:14,220
original in my saying this but to me it

781
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,580
was a real uh Revelation and I'm really

782
00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:19,679
fascinated by what you're doing well

783
00:34:25,369 --> 00:34:21,899
likewise thank you so much

784
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:25,379
good good and I I do cite your work in

785
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:27,540
the matter with things

786
00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:29,280
um and it raised some interesting

787
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:30,780
questions which perhaps I could put to

788
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:33,359
you um but please I mean very very

789
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:37,200
simple one have you take the the

790
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:39,060
experiment you did where you

791
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:41,040
deliberately

792
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:42,800
um distorted

793
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:46,560
the areas of the tadpole that would

794
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:48,599
create the face of the Frog

795
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,700
and yet the Frog

796
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,040
as it were developed using completely

797
00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:54,960
different Pathways from any that could

798
00:34:59,390 --> 00:34:57,060
have been that could have been as it

799
00:35:01,250 --> 00:34:59,400
were programmed in it so it reacted to

800
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,260
this situation as a new situation

801
00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:03,599
responded intelligently and we know many

802
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,320
many instances of this of single cells

803
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:09,359
for example but in a complex organism

804
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,339
like that it's particularly fascinating

805
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,440
but of course this is happening all the

806
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:15,359
time when parts of the brain go missing

807
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:16,980
and the rest of the brain knows it needs

808
00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:19,020
as it were to recover something that it

809
00:35:22,990 --> 00:35:20,820
senses is not there and another part

810
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:23,000
gets repurposed have you thoughts about

811
00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:25,980
where these in a way

812
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:27,900
I hate to use the term because people

813
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:30,540
get so uppity about it but these sort of

814
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:32,820
they are morphogenetic

815
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:35,220
um force field where they are what they

816
00:35:38,329 --> 00:35:36,540
are what they're like where they come

817
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:38,339
from have you have you been exploring

818
00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:39,180
that

819
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:42,420
we have um yeah so so we divide this

820
00:35:47,210 --> 00:35:43,680
problem into a couple of different

821
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,220
pieces so what we can do now to a large

822
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:48,960
extent at least in these model systems

823
00:35:56,329 --> 00:35:53,640
is to directly observe somewhat decode

824
00:35:59,150 --> 00:35:56,339
and and modify it you know in some cases

825
00:36:01,069 --> 00:35:59,160
at will in some cases not the pattern

826
00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:01,079
memories that allow this collective

827
00:36:04,910 --> 00:36:02,760
intelligence of these cells to build

828
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:04,920
particular things so we can literally

829
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,420
see these memories in the way that

830
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,640
people who do neural decoding can sort

831
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,560
of read out the evidence of specific

832
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:12,240
memories in the nervous system and so on

833
00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:15,839
so so that part we have uh there's I

834
00:36:20,569 --> 00:36:17,640
think an even more kind of profound

835
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,579
component to this which is that this

836
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:22,560
this and and I think and I'm you know

837
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,760
I'm not just using this metaphorically

838
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,200
I'm quite serious when I say this the

839
00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:27,599
the collective intelligence of of this

840
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,540
of the cell of the groups of cells are

841
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:32,640
able to deploy considerable

842
00:36:37,130 --> 00:36:34,980
sophistication and competency in

843
00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:37,140
navigating the space of possible shapes

844
00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:39,000
and as you as you just pointed out in

845
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:40,920
novel circumstances they do not simply

846
00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:43,680
just do the same thing every time the

847
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,300
the pattern memories that we can read

848
00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:48,000
tell them where they need to go in this

849
00:36:51,650 --> 00:36:50,040
space and that's fine but getting there

850
00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:51,660
they are able to deploy some really

851
00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:54,660
amazing um competencies and that's the

852
00:36:58,490 --> 00:36:56,520
part that we're only now beginning to to

853
00:37:00,530 --> 00:36:58,500
get a hold of is is what are the

854
00:37:02,270 --> 00:37:00,540
mechanisms that allow them to do new

855
00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:02,280
things and new circumstances to still

856
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:04,440
get to the essential goal at the end and

857
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,480
so I view this very much as a goal

858
00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:08,640
directed phenomenon and it's on us to

859
00:37:11,569 --> 00:37:10,140
figure out what are the competencies

860
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:11,579
right and how and what are the

861
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:12,900
mechanisms and we have so much you know

862
00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:14,700
we have some data on it but but this is

863
00:37:18,349 --> 00:37:16,500
the big I think the big mystery for the

864
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:18,359
next few decades

865
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:21,480
you mentioned their memory which is

866
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,400
something as it were almost by

867
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:25,440
definition from somewhere in the past

868
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:28,380
and you you suggested you didn't use the

869
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,060
word but you suggested somehow that

870
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,400
there was a sense of direction of the

871
00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:34,560
whole complex system of the organism in

872
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,900
other words a kind of tea loss yeah but

873
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:39,599
where is the memory and where is the

874
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:42,900
Telos what is a memory where is where do

875
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,760
your men see start with the use of

876
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:47,280
scriptures where do they sleep a memory

877
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:50,520
where do they see that memory so so so

878
00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:53,820
the memory is is encoded in a stable

879
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:56,040
bioelectric state of all the tissues

880
00:37:59,810 --> 00:37:57,420
it's not just the nervous system it's

881
00:38:02,810 --> 00:37:59,820
all the tissues and it allows the

882
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:02,820
collective to determine whether so so as

883
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:04,920
far as we can tell it's kind of like a

884
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,140
very simplistic version of this that

885
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,599
would be a set point in a thermostat in

886
00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:11,760
a homeostatic a homeostatic set point

887
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:13,740
that basically what it allows the system

888
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,599
to do is to compare the current state to

889
00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:17,520
the Target State the target state is

890
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:19,320
encoded by electrically if the delta or

891
00:38:23,569 --> 00:38:21,780
the error is large enough then stress

892
00:38:26,210 --> 00:38:23,579
goes up but various actions will be

893
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,220
taken to reduce that that Delta and so

894
00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:28,079
whereas everyone's familiar with

895
00:38:31,069 --> 00:38:29,640
individual cells doing this in let's say

896
00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:31,079
metabolic space right to keep

897
00:38:36,589 --> 00:38:33,420
temperature pH you know simple things

898
00:38:38,089 --> 00:38:36,599
the collective is now able to operate in

899
00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:38,099
exactly the same way but in a different

900
00:38:41,870 --> 00:38:40,440
space it navigates this morphe space the

901
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:41,880
space of possible anatomical

902
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:44,880
configurations Guided by this electrical

903
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:46,440
memory which we can literally see and

904
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:48,420
rewrite so we have a number of examples

905
00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:49,560
where we've altered the memory in this

906
00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:51,660
cells with with no genetic change the

907
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,680
cells are happy enough to build

908
00:38:56,089 --> 00:38:54,480
something else if we change the

909
00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:56,099
information that tells them what they

910
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:58,920
should be building now that part we sort

911
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:00,420
of have a handle on mechanistically

912
00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:03,359
quite well now the part that we're just

913
00:39:09,290 --> 00:39:07,619
beginning to to to sort of touch is how

914
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,300
the

915
00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:10,800
um creative problem solving happens

916
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:13,140
because what we can show quite easily

917
00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:14,579
right and it's exactly what you started

918
00:39:18,829 --> 00:39:16,680
with it we can show quite easily that it

919
00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:18,839
is never a matter of well maybe in some

920
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:20,760
systems it is but but in the majority of

921
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:22,500
living systems it is not a matter of

922
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,420
taking the same path through that space

923
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:26,400
come what may they know how to go around

924
00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:28,380
obstacles and deal with all kinds of

925
00:39:32,990 --> 00:39:30,900
weird you know circumstances and I think

926
00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:33,000
I'll throw it since you know we're here

927
00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:35,339
sort of as just sharing ideas I'll I'll

928
00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:38,280
throw out a kind of a an unpublished

929
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:39,960
conjecture that was you know sort of

930
00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:41,640
still working on which is why I think

931
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:43,859
this they're able to do this and I I

932
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:45,660
think they're able to do this because

933
00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:47,760
this is what they have to do every

934
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:49,320
single time I don't think this is a

935
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:52,140
weird third strange capacity that has to

936
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:54,540
evolve separately I think I call this I

937
00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:57,000
call this right I call this uh the play

938
00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:58,500
The Hand you're dealt meaning that when

939
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:00,540
when these beings come into the world

940
00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:03,780
they can't really count on anything they

941
00:40:06,829 --> 00:40:04,980
don't know how many cells they're going

942
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,839
to have because we can take embryos and

943
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:08,400
cut them into little pieces and they

944
00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:10,320
still do the right thing we they don't

945
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:12,300
know how many copies of the genome

946
00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:13,320
they're going to have they don't know

947
00:40:16,970 --> 00:40:14,700
what the environment is going to be like

948
00:40:20,089 --> 00:40:16,980
every single act of self-construction

949
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,099
and development is this on the Fly where

950
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:22,079
are we where is my border where do I end

951
00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:23,640
and the world begins right what

952
00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:25,320
effectors do I have what senses right

953
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,060
they have to they have to do this on the

954
00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:29,760
fly every single time and I think that's

955
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:32,520
why they're so plastic because Evolution

956
00:40:36,589 --> 00:40:34,859
everything that wasn't plastic probably

957
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,599
couldn't make it you know it's it's

958
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:38,720
Evolution makes these um

959
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:40,680
problem-solving machines it doesn't make

960
00:40:44,089 --> 00:40:42,660
solutions for specific narrow problems

961
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:44,099
that's my guess right that's obviously

962
00:40:48,970 --> 00:40:45,599
very very controversial but that's

963
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,589
exploring that

964
00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:53,280
like is that is it that controversial

965
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,540
though

966
00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:57,359
uh I think it is well you know I think

967
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:00,599
it requires uh what well well I mean

968
00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:03,480
okay the the part where the part where

969
00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:05,820
it's quite clear that uh living things

970
00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:08,579
can do incredible uh Feats of problem

971
00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:10,440
solving that they were not directly

972
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:12,900
evolutionarily prepared for that part I

973
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:14,460
hope is not controversial because the

974
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,960
data are what they are we just see that

975
00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:17,760
and we know that when you you know just

976
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:19,500
the latest you know our latest example

977
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:21,780
when you take skin cells off of a off of

978
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,460
an early frog and Brew they reassemble

979
00:41:26,510 --> 00:41:25,200
into this into a xenobot they have a

980
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:26,520
different life with different behaviors

981
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,680
they just you know with no it requires

982
00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:30,960
no long-term evolutionary adaptation

983
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:32,280
they just do something completely

984
00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:37,670
I was just going to say Barbara

985
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,420
McClintock you know back in the 80s and

986
00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:41,520
so on was was showing this and it's got

987
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,320
a Nobel Prize for it so we're not really

988
00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:45,839
surprised by that anymore

989
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:47,400
but well we shouldn't we shouldn't

990
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,760
basically no but it's all inspiring I

991
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:52,800
mean yeah we're not surprised but we're

992
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:55,020
we're all the more awe inspired well I

993
00:42:01,130 --> 00:41:57,780
am anyway I find this absolutely amazing

994
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,140
yeah the creatures do this yeah yeah

995
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:03,599
that that part I I hope is not

996
00:42:07,730 --> 00:42:05,220
controversial the part that I think will

997
00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:07,740
be controversial is my suggestion that

998
00:42:12,410 --> 00:42:10,200
Evolution does not take the past as

999
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,420
seriously as we sort of assume that it

1000
00:42:17,390 --> 00:42:14,640
does we we tend to you know standard

1001
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,400
development is so reliable that it kind

1002
00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:18,960
of lulls you into this false sense of

1003
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,460
security you see it happening the same

1004
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:22,079
time and you say well yeah of course of

1005
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:24,000
course acorns give rise to oak trees and

1006
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,680
and you know frog eggs make frogs what

1007
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:27,119
else could they possibly do because it's

1008
00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:30,960
so it's so reliable but uh I think that

1009
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:33,300
uh once you start to probe as you must

1010
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:34,920
if you're going to assay the sort of

1011
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,660
cognitive capacity of any creature you

1012
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:38,160
have to start to probe it with novelty

1013
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:40,260
to really make a claim about that you

1014
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,700
really start to discover how much

1015
00:42:45,770 --> 00:42:44,160
plasticity there is and the fact that it

1016
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:45,780
only does the same thing in every

1017
00:42:50,210 --> 00:42:48,720
circumstance in the same circumstance it

1018
00:42:52,490 --> 00:42:50,220
actually is capable of doing many

1019
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:52,500
different things and why is that and so

1020
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:54,599
this idea that that's because it can

1021
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,660
never count on the past the the present

1022
00:43:01,430 --> 00:43:00,000
being exactly like the past right so you

1023
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,440
can do all kinds of crazy things you can

1024
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:03,839
add cells remove cells add the no you

1025
00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:05,819
know add extra copies of the genome you

1026
00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:07,619
could put physical barriers into things

1027
00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:09,660
you can do all this stuff and the cells

1028
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,160
you can combine you know cells will

1029
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:12,960
combine with other species of cells so

1030
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:15,240
you can make chimeras you can make

1031
00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:17,640
um chimeras with inorganic components

1032
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:19,260
put in electrodes and all this kind of

1033
00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:21,660
stuff they do fine with all of it

1034
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:24,060
because it's just another day to them

1035
00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:25,740
it's just we are in a new environment

1036
00:43:30,829 --> 00:43:28,619
like we always are we never know what to

1037
00:43:32,990 --> 00:43:30,839
expect and we have to somehow make a go

1038
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:33,000
of it at every point so that's what I

1039
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:34,500
think is the product of evolution I

1040
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:36,060
think that will be very controversial

1041
00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:38,819
yeah and what I particularly love about

1042
00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:40,740
that from a philosophical point of view

1043
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,020
is that in my new book no matter with

1044
00:43:48,109 --> 00:43:45,359
things I'm suggesting that the way in

1045
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,119
which we think of things in a an

1046
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,119
entirely mechanistic way is a mistake

1047
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:53,760
and I tend to invert

1048
00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:55,740
um the Assumption so for example we used

1049
00:44:00,349 --> 00:43:58,440
to think that the normal State as it

1050
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,359
were the state that needs no explanation

1051
00:44:05,329 --> 00:44:03,359
is stasis and that motion is an aberrant

1052
00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:05,339
State when something comes in or gives

1053
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,560
it a push and this is Newtonian

1054
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,319
mechanics but that actually motion is

1055
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:12,720
the norm and stasis if it could ever be

1056
00:44:17,150 --> 00:44:15,180
truly completely achieved would be the

1057
00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:17,160
limit case of motion and I have a whole

1058
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:19,560
lot of these that in fact Simplicity is

1059
00:44:23,809 --> 00:44:21,540
the limit case of complexity and so on

1060
00:44:26,329 --> 00:44:23,819
but what you're really saying here is

1061
00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:26,339
that apparently following a road path is

1062
00:44:30,530 --> 00:44:28,680
not the norm from which these yes

1063
00:44:32,569 --> 00:44:30,540
um extraordinary

1064
00:44:34,970 --> 00:44:32,579
um elaborate and inventive and creative

1065
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:34,980
processes are some sort of

1066
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:37,680
um Divergent you're saying that this is

1067
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,260
the norm and the the the the following

1068
00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:42,480
of a routine path is just something that

1069
00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:44,220
we we happen to have taken as the norm

1070
00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:46,380
but is a rather the limit case of

1071
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,380
creativity yeah yeah well I I completely

1072
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,359
agree I think that is the limit case and

1073
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:53,760
I think that that's what they will do as

1074
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:57,540
a lazy sort of um easiest thing when the

1075
00:45:01,370 --> 00:44:59,220
environment is the expected simple

1076
00:45:03,230 --> 00:45:01,380
environment but it's by no means but

1077
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:03,240
it's by no means assumed and in fact

1078
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,880
many things have to be exactly as you

1079
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:08,160
say you know um your your tongue has

1080
00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:10,140
these these these rosettes right very

1081
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:12,780
very kind of finely patterned cells if

1082
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,180
if you sever the right if you sever the

1083
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,280
lingual nerve over the next couple of

1084
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:19,200
weeks there it completely falls apart

1085
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,520
even though the cells are alive nothing

1086
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:21,839
is dead every you know everything's

1087
00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:23,700
healthy but that organization completely

1088
00:45:27,770 --> 00:45:25,380
falls apart because apparently you need

1089
00:45:29,809 --> 00:45:27,780
constant input to you know from this

1090
00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:29,819
from this this morphogenetic influence

1091
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:31,980
needs to be constantly working to keep

1092
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:34,200
everything together as cells come and go

1093
00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:36,300
molecules come and go right that's that

1094
00:45:41,329 --> 00:45:38,520
stasis is a lot of hard work I mean it

1095
00:45:43,790 --> 00:45:41,339
requires a lot of hard work yes no

1096
00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:43,800
that's lovely yeah

1097
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,780
so what do you all Mike what are you

1098
00:45:49,849 --> 00:45:47,760
working on next year

1099
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:49,859
oh what are you most excited about and

1100
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,500
then also I wanted this to be it's so

1101
00:45:57,230 --> 00:45:54,960
hilarious because this is supposed to be

1102
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,240
like we all come into a pub and we just

1103
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,280
drink some beer we just relax and then

1104
00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:00,720
this is like the deepest philosophical

1105
00:46:05,770 --> 00:46:02,940
conversation that someone said we're

1106
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:05,780
just moving Humanity forward at a bar

1107
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:10,140
so so anyway oh okay yeah please talk

1108
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,119
about what you're up to next year Mike

1109
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:14,880
and I'm letting in Don Hoffman Don the

1110
00:46:23,089 --> 00:46:17,880
incredible Dawn ah hey Don good to see

1111
00:46:25,130 --> 00:46:23,099
you guys I and Mike wow hello Don hello

1112
00:46:26,569 --> 00:46:25,140
so I want to know what each of you are

1113
00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:26,579
up to next year if you could briefly

1114
00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:28,140
outline that and then just and then I'll

1115
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:30,660
shut my mouth

1116
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,760
starting with Mike if you don't mind

1117
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:35,280
sure um wow uh let's see well we have we

1118
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:37,140
have lots of lots of things going on in

1119
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,280
our group um we have uh efforts in uh

1120
00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:43,680
regenerative biology of course trying to

1121
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:46,440
uh really get better at uh convincing

1122
00:46:51,170 --> 00:46:48,420
cells to do what we want them to do

1123
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,180
which is to rebuild the complex organs

1124
00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:54,240
um and appendages we have uh we have

1125
00:46:59,329 --> 00:46:56,040
efforts in in cancer and trying to

1126
00:47:02,270 --> 00:46:59,339
reverse the kind of loss of

1127
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,280
um that basically you know we we view

1128
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:04,560
cancer as a kind of uh shrinking of the

1129
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:06,420
computational boundary between the the

1130
00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:08,160
self and the outside world and so when

1131
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,960
cells you know okay when that boundary

1132
00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:11,520
shrinks to the level of single cells

1133
00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:13,380
they treat the rest of the body as just

1134
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,819
external environment and so we're trying

1135
00:47:18,589 --> 00:47:16,800
to re-inflate that and get them back to

1136
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:18,599
thinking about big goals in terms of

1137
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:20,220
building organs and healthy tissues and

1138
00:47:23,450 --> 00:47:21,960
things like that so so we have some some

1139
00:47:26,030 --> 00:47:23,460
continued efforts we've done this in

1140
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,040
frog years for years we're now in human

1141
00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:28,800
cells and so so we're trying to

1142
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:31,140
hopefully push that push that along and

1143
00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:32,940
we have we have we have also some uh

1144
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,579
some efforts in um in Ai and looking at

1145
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:37,680
just taking some of the things we've

1146
00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:41,220
learned in in biology uh to build novel

1147
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,319
uh novel synthetic intelligences that

1148
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:45,599
are not neuromorphic not built on human

1149
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:47,160
brain architecture but just you know

1150
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:48,900
everything from slime molds to cell

1151
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:50,339
groups and so on

1152
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,359
um and of course some of the some of the

1153
00:47:54,349 --> 00:47:53,040
consent actual stuff too so so there

1154
00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:54,359
will be some stuff coming out one thing

1155
00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:56,460
I'm particularly excited about is kind

1156
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:57,780
of this this effort we were just talking

1157
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:59,880
about this with Ian this really really

1158
00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:01,800
trying to tell a story of the very

1159
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:05,400
earliest boot up of a uh of a of a

1160
00:48:08,809 --> 00:48:07,020
proto-cognitive agent what are the very

1161
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,819
first steps that happened when a new

1162
00:48:13,309 --> 00:48:11,280
being enters the enters the world so to

1163
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:13,319
speak so how do you go from from you

1164
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:14,940
know the chemistry of

1165
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:17,940
field of of cells to an embryo or a

1166
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:19,500
robot that's active in the world or

1167
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:20,819
something but like what are the earliest

1168
00:48:25,010 --> 00:48:22,380
steps of that so I think we could tell

1169
00:48:28,609 --> 00:48:25,020
an interesting story about that so

1170
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:28,619
well Don is here everyone

1171
00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:32,400
Don Hoffman Don mute Ian and meet Mike I

1172
00:48:36,770 --> 00:48:34,920
know you've met each other before but we

1173
00:48:41,450 --> 00:48:36,780
have a jockey here who has the sound

1174
00:48:43,730 --> 00:48:41,460
effects so thank you Sam yep so don don

1175
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,740
has a book called the case against

1176
00:48:46,609 --> 00:48:45,359
reality the links for all of this will

1177
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:46,619
be in the description

1178
00:48:51,290 --> 00:48:48,900
so don please take it away I want to

1179
00:48:52,250 --> 00:48:51,300
hear from you please I'm gonna shut my

1180
00:48:54,890 --> 00:48:52,260
mouth

1181
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:54,900
but as Ian already told us what he's up

1182
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:02,890
I'm an old guy I'm retired I'm I'm I'm

1183
00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:06,060
uh you know harrowing my soul to meet

1184
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:09,900
the next World I'm doing I I'm I'm on to

1185
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:12,180
small projects I'm through with very

1186
00:49:18,770 --> 00:49:15,900
very very big ones that's me

1187
00:49:22,910 --> 00:49:20,349
I'm there too

1188
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:22,920
I'm retired as well

1189
00:49:27,950 --> 00:49:24,540
yeah good

1190
00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:27,960
yeah but but I'm still doing some some

1191
00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:30,780
some big projects the the thing I'm we

1192
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:32,760
just had with paper accepted just the

1193
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:35,520
last couple days for a publication on

1194
00:49:41,450 --> 00:49:38,280
uh with minor revisions that we're

1195
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,460
finishing up it's it's a paper that is

1196
00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:43,200
trying to

1197
00:49:49,609 --> 00:49:45,960
to connect Consciousness with physics in

1198
00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:49,619
a rigorous fashion so the physicists

1199
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:52,260
have discovered that space and time are

1200
00:49:56,809 --> 00:49:53,640
not fundamental

1201
00:50:00,109 --> 00:49:56,819
as David Gross the Nobel Prize winner

1202
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,119
put it in 2005 space-time is doomed and

1203
00:50:06,109 --> 00:50:02,880
he gave reasons why space-time is doomed

1204
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:06,119
and so the Hunt is on for structures

1205
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:08,460
Beyond space-time and just the last

1206
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:09,900
eight years

1207
00:50:14,510 --> 00:50:13,440
they found them they've uh in 2014 they

1208
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:14,520
published something called the

1209
00:50:19,730 --> 00:50:18,060
amplitudehedron and uh

1210
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,740
decorated permutations these are

1211
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:21,359
structures not inside space-time they're

1212
00:50:25,069 --> 00:50:22,980
not curled up inside little dimensions

1213
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:25,079
of space-time these are structures

1214
00:50:31,370 --> 00:50:28,680
utterly and completely Beyond space-time

1215
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,380
and space-time is a trivial projection

1216
00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:33,839
of these deeper structures and you get

1217
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:37,260
Quantum field Theory computations uh

1218
00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:39,000
becoming much more simple when you let

1219
00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:40,980
go of space-time Quantum field

1220
00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:43,500
computations become trivial and you see

1221
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:45,240
new symmetries in scattering amplitude

1222
00:50:49,069 --> 00:50:46,440
data that you couldn't see inside

1223
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,079
space-time so it's really over for space

1224
00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:51,359
time and and the Gold Rush is on to find

1225
00:50:54,589 --> 00:50:52,920
out what's beyond space-time and they're

1226
00:50:57,370 --> 00:50:54,599
finding some some wonderful stuff so

1227
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:57,380
this is all in the last decade that that

1228
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:59,819
physic at least high energy physics you

1229
00:51:03,290 --> 00:51:01,319
know a lot of there's still a lot of

1230
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,300
people doing space-time physics of

1231
00:51:07,150 --> 00:51:05,520
course but but the high energy people

1232
00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:07,160
um who who are the ones who really need

1233
00:51:12,829 --> 00:51:10,260
the better tools they're they're done

1234
00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:12,839
with space time they're beyond it

1235
00:51:17,089 --> 00:51:14,220
so

1236
00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:17,099
this gave us an opening we said look the

1237
00:51:21,049 --> 00:51:19,380
physicists

1238
00:51:22,970 --> 00:51:21,059
um say the space time was doomed we've

1239
00:51:25,549 --> 00:51:22,980
been saying that from our own points of

1240
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:25,559
view about Consciousness and they they

1241
00:51:29,930 --> 00:51:27,300
give us a structure beyond space times

1242
00:51:31,490 --> 00:51:29,940
that they found so I said let's connect

1243
00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:31,500
with that if can we take our

1244
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:33,300
mathematical model of conscious agents

1245
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:35,460
and connect with this structure Beyond

1246
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,700
space-time so decided to try doing that

1247
00:51:43,609 --> 00:51:41,280
doing that about six months ago and we

1248
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:43,619
we did it we found

1249
00:51:48,410 --> 00:51:45,960
um the decorative permutations it turns

1250
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:48,420
out um we discovered that there's a

1251
00:51:53,089 --> 00:51:51,119
canonical way to take markovian Dynamics

1252
00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:53,099
and project them onto decorated

1253
00:51:57,410 --> 00:51:55,140
permutations so that was apparently a

1254
00:51:58,490 --> 00:51:57,420
new contribution to the mathematics it

1255
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,500
was the one that we needed to make

1256
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:00,480
because our dynamics of conscious agents

1257
00:52:05,630 --> 00:52:01,440
is

1258
00:52:07,130 --> 00:52:05,640
markovian so so we the paper just got

1259
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:07,140
accepted it shows how to take our

1260
00:52:11,150 --> 00:52:08,940
malkovian dynamics of conscious agents

1261
00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:11,160
project it down into space into

1262
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:14,040
space-time using decorated permutations

1263
00:52:17,470 --> 00:52:15,720
um with this new map that we came up

1264
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:17,480
with Wow

1265
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:20,520
we make a new postulate and then I'll

1266
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,520
stop and I'll our postulate is that we

1267
00:52:29,329 --> 00:52:25,440
propose that a particle is based on an

1268
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:29,339
elementary particle like bosons leptons

1269
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:30,480
and quarks those are the current

1270
00:52:35,329 --> 00:52:32,760
elementary particles that those are

1271
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:35,339
actually projections of so-called

1272
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:36,960
communicating classes of conscious

1273
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:39,359
agents and that that particular proposal

1274
00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:41,220
is is precisely because of this mapping

1275
00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:43,559
with decorated permutations it dictates

1276
00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:45,000
that that has to be the the

1277
00:52:51,049 --> 00:52:48,660
correspondence particles are projections

1278
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,059
of communicating classes of markovian

1279
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:53,280
Dynamics so so we're now working on the

1280
00:53:00,109 --> 00:52:56,520
follow-up paper now is to get momentum

1281
00:53:01,790 --> 00:53:00,119
Mass spin all these things come porting

1282
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:01,800
down from the theory of conscious agents

1283
00:53:06,349 --> 00:53:04,079
into space-time and predicting specific

1284
00:53:08,569 --> 00:53:06,359
scattering amplitudes with specific

1285
00:53:10,250 --> 00:53:08,579
dynamics of conscious agents so it's

1286
00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:10,260
it's conscious imperialism we want to

1287
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:13,619
show that all of physics starts is just

1288
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,420
a projection in fact not just a

1289
00:53:19,309 --> 00:53:17,280
projection it's an artifact of the

1290
00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:19,319
projection of Consciousness even our

1291
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,780
perception of particles is an artifact

1292
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:23,760
of projection not an insight into the

1293
00:53:27,890 --> 00:53:25,440
deep properties of reality so that's

1294
00:53:29,470 --> 00:53:27,900
that's that's that's fun

1295
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:29,480
wow

1296
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:33,119
what would you say it's very impressive

1297
00:53:38,210 --> 00:53:36,180
what you say Don and I I don't um I

1298
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:38,220
haven't the advantage of having been

1299
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,559
able to research what you're researching

1300
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:42,720
and I may might well not understand it

1301
00:53:49,730 --> 00:53:46,200
if I tried but what would you say

1302
00:53:52,670 --> 00:53:49,740
to the idea that this looks like a

1303
00:53:54,589 --> 00:53:52,680
process whereby everything of reality is

1304
00:53:56,030 --> 00:53:54,599
stripped away and this is of course your

1305
00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:56,040
title

1306
00:54:00,490 --> 00:53:56,940
um

1307
00:54:04,609 --> 00:54:00,500
and this leaves the ordinary person

1308
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:04,619
philosopher physicist or simply

1309
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:06,540
um the everyday guy on the Clapping

1310
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,180
order but with a problem which is that

1311
00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:11,280
something is must be considered more

1312
00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:13,800
real than others and there must be

1313
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:15,960
something that our Consciousness has

1314
00:54:21,290 --> 00:54:18,480
some awareness of other than purely

1315
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,300
itself this process seems like one in

1316
00:54:25,490 --> 00:54:23,520
which you have done what Burton Russell

1317
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:25,500
said mathematics and physics did which

1318
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,440
was simply to strip all the reality from

1319
00:54:33,890 --> 00:54:30,960
the world from the cosmos and produce a

1320
00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:33,900
very thin texture of equations and

1321
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:35,880
numbers now if you do that then you go

1322
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:38,700
oh goodness realities disappeared I I

1323
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,880
find this a little bit worrying because

1324
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:43,680
I don't know how you can even say

1325
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:44,700
anything

1326
00:54:50,930 --> 00:54:47,400
in English rather than just an equation

1327
00:54:53,690 --> 00:54:50,940
without involving space and time

1328
00:54:55,849 --> 00:54:53,700
at space and time are the fundamental

1329
00:54:56,569 --> 00:54:55,859
ways in which we structure everything we

1330
00:54:59,089 --> 00:54:56,579
think

1331
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,099
and so yes of course you can invent an

1332
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:00,960
abstract platonic realm in which

1333
00:55:04,910 --> 00:55:02,760
everything's been disappeared by some

1334
00:55:07,549 --> 00:55:04,920
clever Mass but I suspect this is not

1335
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:07,559
getting closer to a truth but further

1336
00:55:13,130 --> 00:55:10,319
and further away from it I'm a follower

1337
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,140
of Lees Mullins who says I mean he's a

1338
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:14,880
great physicist it can't be dismissed

1339
00:55:19,549 --> 00:55:16,800
who thinks there is nothing more real

1340
00:55:21,049 --> 00:55:19,559
than time unless we'd start dismissing

1341
00:55:22,430 --> 00:55:21,059
time you've you've lost the plot

1342
00:55:25,849 --> 00:55:22,440
basically

1343
00:55:29,150 --> 00:55:25,859
right right so so those are of course

1344
00:55:31,309 --> 00:55:29,160
very very natural objections to raise

1345
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:31,319
um and so I would respond in two

1346
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,140
different directions one is that um

1347
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:36,000
for the physicists who are doing this

1348
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:39,599
right they what they're finding is that

1349
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,200
it's space time that is full of

1350
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,359
unrealities

1351
00:55:50,410 --> 00:55:48,240
for example the the

1352
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:50,420
the ghostly particles that that you get

1353
00:55:55,370 --> 00:55:53,520
from infinement diagrams so you these

1354
00:55:56,569 --> 00:55:55,380
virtual particles that that are created

1355
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,579
and annihilated and you have to add them

1356
00:56:00,410 --> 00:55:58,079
all up to get these scattering

1357
00:56:02,510 --> 00:56:00,420
amplitudes it turns out that they're not

1358
00:56:04,730 --> 00:56:02,520
needed and and that they're just a

1359
00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:04,740
distraction when you let go of them then

1360
00:56:08,270 --> 00:56:06,660
hundreds of pages of algebra turns into

1361
00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:08,280
three terms that you can compute by hand

1362
00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:09,660
and you get the right scattering

1363
00:56:15,049 --> 00:56:12,420
amplitudes so so space time is actually

1364
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,059
hiding the truth it's not showing you

1365
00:56:19,549 --> 00:56:18,000
the truth it's actually and the ghost

1366
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:19,559
particles that you know we get the final

1367
00:56:25,069 --> 00:56:23,040
diagrams are are literally just nonsense

1368
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:25,079
and not needed so when you get rid of

1369
00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:26,640
them and then you're finding new

1370
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,800
symmetries that are true so you're

1371
00:56:32,569 --> 00:56:30,960
finding that something called the

1372
00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:32,579
infinite yanging symmetry is actually

1373
00:56:36,829 --> 00:56:34,740
true of our observations that the

1374
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,839
colliders and you cannot see that

1375
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,119
directly in space-time it can't be

1376
00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:41,760
represented in space-time so on the

1377
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,380
physics side what they're finding is

1378
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,599
letting go of space-time is actually

1379
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:47,280
getting them closer to some quote

1380
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:49,740
unquote truth not not further and and

1381
00:56:53,569 --> 00:56:50,880
they're finding out what parts of

1382
00:56:55,309 --> 00:56:53,579
space-time are irrelevant that but from

1383
00:56:56,690 --> 00:56:55,319
a now from a phenomenological

1384
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:56,700
perspective and a psychological

1385
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,260
perspective

1386
00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:00,480
um our theory of conscious agents

1387
00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:02,220
um takes conscious experiences at

1388
00:57:06,829 --> 00:57:04,200
firsthand it says conscious experiences

1389
00:57:09,410 --> 00:57:06,839
are real a headache is a real experience

1390
00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:09,420
and and so our experiences are not

1391
00:57:13,790 --> 00:57:11,880
dismissed uh and that's so in fact we

1392
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:13,800
take them as fundamental

1393
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,800
and so in some sense our approach to

1394
00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:18,960
conscious experiences

1395
00:57:23,390 --> 00:57:21,540
um takes them as as more Central and

1396
00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:23,400
more real than most physicalist

1397
00:57:26,990 --> 00:57:25,260
approaches where they say that you know

1398
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:27,000
the brain is fundamental and brain

1399
00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:28,680
activity gives rise to the conscious

1400
00:57:33,170 --> 00:57:31,500
experiences and and really conscious

1401
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:33,180
experience are nothing but brain

1402
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:34,920
activity

1403
00:57:40,609 --> 00:57:37,500
um represented in certain ways and and I

1404
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,619
say uh well those theories have failed

1405
00:57:45,470 --> 00:57:42,720
to explain even one specific conscious

1406
00:57:46,990 --> 00:57:45,480
experience there's no

1407
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,000
um

1408
00:57:54,730 --> 00:57:49,200
chocolate there's nothing on the table

1409
00:58:00,349 --> 00:57:57,470
so firstly I wanted to again promote

1410
00:58:02,690 --> 00:58:00,359
Michael Levin has Dr Michael Levin on on

1411
00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:02,700
the Twitter Don has the case against the

1412
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:04,380
case against reality and again the links

1413
00:58:07,370 --> 00:58:05,400
to all of these will be in the

1414
00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:07,380
description Ian mcgillicus has the

1415
00:58:12,349 --> 00:58:09,540
matter with things and Carlos is here

1416
00:58:13,609 --> 00:58:12,359
Carlos is from The scmf Institute and

1417
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,619
you'll be able to go into detail about

1418
00:58:18,530 --> 00:58:15,839
what what that's about and he's also

1419
00:58:19,970 --> 00:58:18,540
Carlos has interviewed Mike before so

1420
00:58:23,170 --> 00:58:19,980
Carlos I just wanted to welcome you

1421
00:58:27,530 --> 00:58:25,309
get to actually see you I'd always speak

1422
00:58:29,450 --> 00:58:27,540
over WhatsApp yes yes absolutely it's

1423
00:58:30,730 --> 00:58:29,460
great to see you great to see you Mike

1424
00:58:33,410 --> 00:58:30,740
um

1425
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:33,420
uh yes so I should say that Mike gave a

1426
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:35,760
talk at the conference that uh sends SMF

1427
00:58:39,890 --> 00:58:38,099
organized uh with an interview and it

1428
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,900
was uh I was following the conversation

1429
00:58:44,089 --> 00:58:41,520
I was very going very much in the

1430
00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:44,099
direction of specialty in space and it

1431
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,660
was a very interesting multinational

1432
00:58:50,329 --> 00:58:47,760
conference that that we had on on the

1433
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,339
concept of space uh multidisciplinary

1434
00:58:54,109 --> 00:58:52,079
intersection of this of this concept and

1435
00:58:55,789 --> 00:58:54,119
so uh actually some of some of your

1436
00:58:58,609 --> 00:58:55,799
profiles came up in the discussion who

1437
00:59:00,170 --> 00:58:58,619
to invite to to speak so it's the light

1438
00:59:02,329 --> 00:59:00,180
of delighted to be here and it's great

1439
00:59:04,609 --> 00:59:02,339
pleasure to be able to say hi at the end

1440
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,619
of the year

1441
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:07,200
yeah

1442
00:59:12,530 --> 00:59:09,780
so Mike I know you've only blocked out

1443
00:59:14,569 --> 00:59:12,540
15 minutes and Ian as well but if you

1444
00:59:16,370 --> 00:59:14,579
have to get going then

1445
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:16,380
it was great to have yeah Ian what did

1446
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:17,520
you have to say actually the the

1447
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:19,440
connection the connection is not very

1448
00:59:25,370 --> 00:59:22,079
good for me it may be for not to do with

1449
00:59:27,410 --> 00:59:25,380
me but anyway I feel uh very delighted

1450
00:59:28,970 --> 00:59:27,420
to have been here and to have these

1451
00:59:31,069 --> 00:59:28,980
conversations thank you very much and

1452
00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:31,079
I'm going to wish everybody a Happy New

1453
00:59:35,470 --> 00:59:33,900
Year and I believe you thank you thank

1454
00:59:40,030 --> 00:59:35,480
you so much Happy New Year even

1455
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:44,809
okay Carlos how's it going man

1456
00:59:49,370 --> 00:59:47,510
absolutely it's great to be here I

1457
00:59:51,410 --> 00:59:49,380
should say there's uh this uh big

1458
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,420
celebrations uh tradition in Spain is

1459
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:53,040
that you go from the day of Christmas

1460
00:59:58,190 --> 00:59:56,160
Eve to uh to the King's day which is the

1461
00:59:59,870 --> 00:59:58,200
6th of January and there's a lot of sort

1462
01:00:01,730 --> 00:59:59,880
of family celebrations and friend

1463
01:00:04,010 --> 01:00:01,740
friendship kind of reunions and things

1464
01:00:06,349 --> 01:00:04,020
like that and so I'm kind of in the

1465
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:06,359
middle of of a lot of meetings and so on

1466
01:00:10,130 --> 01:00:08,160
but I said no I have to make the time

1467
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,140
for this you know family wedding where I

1468
01:00:14,270 --> 01:00:11,760
said no no I have to be there I mean

1469
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:14,280
it's it's great to meet you to say to

1470
01:00:18,530 --> 01:00:16,079
say hi Andrew you know wish everyone

1471
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,540
everyone Good Year and everything it's

1472
01:00:21,950 --> 01:00:20,160
it's great I mean the thing you're doing

1473
01:00:23,390 --> 01:00:21,960
with the tow channel it's very similar

1474
01:00:25,549 --> 01:00:23,400
in the spirit we've tried to do with

1475
01:00:26,569 --> 01:00:25,559
with SMF and trying to promote all these

1476
01:00:29,089 --> 01:00:26,579
different disciplines coming together

1477
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,099
and you know the Fantastic research that

1478
01:00:33,890 --> 01:00:31,440
is being done the ideas that are flowing

1479
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,900
all these conversations are going it

1480
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,520
feels it feels very natural in a way

1481
01:00:38,809 --> 01:00:36,720
very human to hear all these

1482
01:00:40,910 --> 01:00:38,819
conversations going back and forth uh

1483
01:00:43,130 --> 01:00:40,920
and I really I really appreciate being

1484
01:00:44,750 --> 01:00:43,140
able to just say hi and be able to see

1485
01:00:46,910 --> 01:00:44,760
so the kind of digital version of human

1486
01:00:48,530 --> 01:00:46,920
face to face which is not quite the same

1487
01:00:49,970 --> 01:00:48,540
but yes it's very it's very it's very

1488
01:00:53,210 --> 01:00:49,980
exciting so thanks very much for having

1489
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:53,220
me oh for sure man so Mike you're

1490
01:00:56,450 --> 01:00:54,960
familiar extremely familiar with Carlos

1491
01:00:58,430 --> 01:00:56,460
I think you've been on several times Don

1492
01:01:00,349 --> 01:00:58,440
have you met Carlos before no I haven't

1493
01:01:02,750 --> 01:01:00,359
good to meet you Carlos good to meet you

1494
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:03,829
so

1495
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:06,180
what was your holidays like

1496
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:10,079
oh uh one of the question is for me uh I

1497
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:12,240
ate a lot and I saw a lot of friends

1498
01:01:14,990 --> 01:01:13,440
they normally don't see because I live

1499
01:01:16,609 --> 01:01:15,000
abroad and that's basically a summary

1500
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,619
for most of my Christmas which is a good

1501
01:01:20,450 --> 01:01:18,319
summary I think

1502
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:20,460
and Mike did you get a chance to relax

1503
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,000
what was your holiday like

1504
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:26,400
um uh trying to catch up on some uh on

1505
01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:27,839
some papers some time with family

1506
01:01:31,490 --> 01:01:30,059
Outdoors uh it's been you know fairly

1507
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,500
nice except for that storm that we had

1508
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:33,599
otherwise spend some time outside yeah

1509
01:01:37,789 --> 01:01:35,760
it's been really good yeah

1510
01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:37,799
Don

1511
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:40,740
oh yeah uh spending time with with

1512
01:01:45,950 --> 01:01:44,160
family and uh um grandkids and uh which

1513
01:01:47,690 --> 01:01:45,960
was which was a lot of fun something

1514
01:01:49,970 --> 01:01:47,700
unusual yesterday

1515
01:01:53,150 --> 01:01:49,980
um I live in Southern California in in

1516
01:01:55,549 --> 01:01:53,160
Irvine and uh you may have heard on the

1517
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:55,559
news that there's this snowy owl

1518
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:58,319
which normally is way up in cold

1519
01:02:02,809 --> 01:02:00,000
Northern climates the Arctic and so

1520
01:02:04,910 --> 01:02:02,819
forth there's one only a half hour from

1521
01:02:07,549 --> 01:02:04,920
my house down here in warm sunny

1522
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:07,559
Southern California so so I went there

1523
01:02:12,650 --> 01:02:09,540
with my wife yesterday and I got some

1524
01:02:14,930 --> 01:02:12,660
photographs and videos of a snowy owl in

1525
01:02:17,329 --> 01:02:14,940
in Southern California sunning when it

1526
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:17,339
should be up in the Arctic wow so so

1527
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,960
that was an interesting thing to do on

1528
01:02:22,250 --> 01:02:20,880
on a Christmas Vacation

1529
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:22,260
hmm

1530
01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:23,760
what what's one of your earliest

1531
01:02:30,109 --> 01:02:26,220
memories Don

1532
01:02:32,450 --> 01:02:30,119
my very earliest is when I was not yet

1533
01:02:34,730 --> 01:02:32,460
four years old again my sister was about

1534
01:02:36,289 --> 01:02:34,740
to be born and I was in the hospital and

1535
01:02:37,730 --> 01:02:36,299
I I knew I was going to have a baby

1536
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:37,740
sister and I knew that was something

1537
01:02:42,049 --> 01:02:39,839
really good and I was really excited

1538
01:02:43,549 --> 01:02:42,059
about it and I was telling everybody in

1539
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,559
the waiting room how proud I was I was

1540
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:45,119
going to be a big brother and had a

1541
01:02:49,250 --> 01:02:46,799
little sister that that's why that's my

1542
01:02:50,990 --> 01:02:49,260
very earliest childhood memory so my

1543
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,000
sister likes to hear that that was my

1544
01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:53,760
earliest childhood memory oh that's nice

1545
01:02:58,190 --> 01:02:55,740
that's nice you weren't jealous that you

1546
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:58,200
were having a little baby sister well um

1547
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:01,280
my parents I also have a younger brother

1548
01:03:06,589 --> 01:03:04,559
who's just a you're you're in a quarter

1549
01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:06,599
younger than me and apparently I was

1550
01:03:10,490 --> 01:03:08,700
very very happy to have them until they

1551
01:03:12,530 --> 01:03:10,500
were old enough to play with my toys and

1552
01:03:14,510 --> 01:03:12,540
then I was not very happy with them

1553
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:14,520
so

1554
01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:16,079
Mike if you don't mind me asking what's

1555
01:03:20,990 --> 01:03:18,660
one of your earliest memories

1556
01:03:22,250 --> 01:03:21,000
um I I have some earlier ones but but of

1557
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,260
course I can't be sure I'll tell you

1558
01:03:26,030 --> 01:03:23,760
I'll tell you kind of a weird one that

1559
01:03:28,130 --> 01:03:26,040
has been corroborated by my parents so I

1560
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,140
have some some measure of confidence in

1561
01:03:32,750 --> 01:03:30,000
this one sure I was I was very young

1562
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:32,760
maybe three or something like that maybe

1563
01:03:38,750 --> 01:03:36,480
four and uh I I sort of became really

1564
01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:38,760
fascinated with what was inside my body

1565
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:40,680
like like what's inside there you know

1566
01:03:44,990 --> 01:03:43,200
and of course we have no way to get in

1567
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:45,000
there but but I thought I'd heard or

1568
01:03:48,109 --> 01:03:46,559
seen something about fishing and this

1569
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:48,119
idea that you know you sort of toss this

1570
01:03:51,650 --> 01:03:49,440
thing and you could pull stuff out of a

1571
01:03:54,349 --> 01:03:51,660
river and so what I did I got up um I

1572
01:03:55,970 --> 01:03:54,359
got a spool of uh of sewing thread and I

1573
01:03:58,609 --> 01:03:55,980
just and I just started swallowing this

1574
01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:58,619
thread on the theory right on the theory

1575
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:00,799
that at some point I would bring it out

1576
01:04:06,410 --> 01:04:04,079
three four something like that and uh

1577
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:06,420
yeah and I just you know I just started

1578
01:04:09,470 --> 01:04:08,220
all right I just started unwinding this

1579
01:04:11,150 --> 01:04:09,480
thread on the theory that at some point

1580
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:11,160
I'd pull it out and and see what was on

1581
01:04:14,329 --> 01:04:12,480
the other end I thought I would fish out

1582
01:04:16,069 --> 01:04:14,339
this like I remember having this this

1583
01:04:17,150 --> 01:04:16,079
thought that well you know maybe this

1584
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:17,160
fishing thing that you know there's

1585
01:04:20,089 --> 01:04:18,720
something to this and and maybe I could

1586
01:04:22,250 --> 01:04:20,099
like kind of figure out what's in there

1587
01:04:23,450 --> 01:04:22,260
I don't I I don't remember what I

1588
01:04:25,010 --> 01:04:23,460
thought was going to be you know what

1589
01:04:26,270 --> 01:04:25,020
was going to come up or what it didn't

1590
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:26,280
of course lead to anything anything

1591
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:28,799
positive but um but there you go that's

1592
01:04:34,010 --> 01:04:32,160
that's an early memory

1593
01:04:36,109 --> 01:04:34,020
that's great Carlos what about you

1594
01:04:37,970 --> 01:04:36,119
yeah I think I actually had a very

1595
01:04:39,289 --> 01:04:37,980
similar fascination with the with the

1596
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:39,299
working of the body I think that's one

1597
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,520
of my earliest sort of intellectual kind

1598
01:04:46,490 --> 01:04:43,680
of curiosity kind of like Memories

1599
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:46,500
around saying h45 maybe like how does

1600
01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:47,760
this work

1601
01:04:51,230 --> 01:04:49,020
um I will go into details because

1602
01:04:53,089 --> 01:04:51,240
unfortunately the the thing that was

1603
01:04:55,370 --> 01:04:53,099
obsessing me at the time is not very PG

1604
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:55,380
friendly but uh let's just put it that

1605
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:57,119
it was to do with the logistics and

1606
01:05:02,210 --> 01:04:59,280
mechanics of reproduction and I just

1607
01:05:03,770 --> 01:05:02,220
didn't understand why people kissed I

1608
01:05:05,049 --> 01:05:03,780
just didn't get and I was upset yeah

1609
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:05,059
okay

1610
01:05:08,809 --> 01:05:07,200
because I knew the mechanics of that

1611
01:05:10,490 --> 01:05:08,819
that doesn't seem necessary for the

1612
01:05:12,170 --> 01:05:10,500
mechanics anyway but that was one of the

1613
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:12,180
earliest sort of uh bodily function

1614
01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:15,119
memories that I have very very early on

1615
01:05:19,549 --> 01:05:17,880
that's nice

1616
01:05:21,490 --> 01:05:19,559
so

1617
01:05:24,829 --> 01:05:21,500
Dawn

1618
01:05:26,990 --> 01:05:24,839
search meetings all right thank you

1619
01:05:28,130 --> 01:05:27,000
thank you for dropping by my pleasure

1620
01:05:29,450 --> 01:05:28,140
thanks for having me good to meet you

1621
01:05:31,010 --> 01:05:29,460
Carlos and good to see you Mike and

1622
01:05:33,049 --> 01:05:31,020
great to see you Don great to see you

1623
01:05:35,030 --> 01:05:33,059
Happy New Year's the case against

1624
01:05:37,490 --> 01:05:35,040
reality that will be in the description

1625
01:05:39,170 --> 01:05:37,500
as well as links to whatever dawn

1626
01:05:40,730 --> 01:05:39,180
whatever you send me next day or

1627
01:05:42,650 --> 01:05:40,740
whenever I'm reposting this just send it

1628
01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:42,660
to me and I'll put it up very very good

1629
01:05:52,010 --> 01:05:50,089
Mike do you gotta get going as well I

1630
01:05:54,890 --> 01:05:52,020
have about three minutes then I gotta go

1631
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:54,900
all right well Andy from that UFO

1632
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:57,599
podcast is here

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oh I'm on hi hi guys hey man it's good

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01:06:05,809 --> 01:06:03,480
to see you

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01:06:07,970 --> 01:06:05,819
it's it's intimidating to be on with all

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01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:07,980
these intelligent well-spoken guests and

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01:06:12,730 --> 01:06:09,960
uh that I pop up on people's screens so

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01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:12,740
and the sound effects yeah

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01:06:16,970 --> 01:06:15,839
thank you thank you to our jockey

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01:06:21,890 --> 01:06:16,980
okay

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01:06:24,650 --> 01:06:21,900
yeah so what's up man what's up Andy ah

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01:06:26,510 --> 01:06:24,660
a lot especially manic festive period uh

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01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,520
enjoying catching this and then out and

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01:06:29,870 --> 01:06:28,079
amongst my wife is doing the kids

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01:06:31,609 --> 01:06:29,880
bedtimes just now so she's letting me

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01:06:33,410 --> 01:06:31,619
come and play for a little while which

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01:06:36,289 --> 01:06:33,420
is uh which is nice I've been having a

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01:06:38,210 --> 01:06:36,299
break from podcasting for a week trying

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01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:38,220
to do nothing in terms of social media

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01:06:43,069 --> 01:06:41,039
and anything podcast wise but I've had

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01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:43,079
little lapses here and there but um this

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01:06:46,670 --> 01:06:44,460
is nice it's a nice idea I've got as

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01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:46,680
well and it's nice to see you away from

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01:06:51,170 --> 01:06:48,900
the the intense interviews cut with the

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01:06:54,170 --> 01:06:51,180
really intellectual folks And discussing

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01:06:56,450 --> 01:06:54,180
these huge yeah super loopy I'm on a

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01:06:58,250 --> 01:06:56,460
ball so I'm just bouncy and I'm just I'm

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01:06:59,930 --> 01:06:58,260
not even thinking about what am I saying

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01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:59,940
so after I'm just getting tripped up in

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01:07:03,289 --> 01:07:01,440
the middle of a sentence there's so many

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01:07:05,390 --> 01:07:03,299
questions I want to ask him like like

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01:07:07,789 --> 01:07:05,400
just about I want to humanize you

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01:07:10,309 --> 01:07:07,799
because well

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01:07:11,690 --> 01:07:10,319
I want to ask about your hobbies I want

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01:07:13,250 --> 01:07:11,700
to know what is the like what's your

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01:07:16,370 --> 01:07:13,260
nighttime routine

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01:07:17,809 --> 01:07:16,380
what what are you like what do you like

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01:07:19,549 --> 01:07:17,819
when you're not intense when you're not

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01:07:20,270 --> 01:07:19,559
working sorry Andy I know I just cut you

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01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:20,280
off

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01:07:22,849 --> 01:07:21,839
but I'm curious because Mike I know you

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01:07:24,890 --> 01:07:22,859
got to get going like a couple of

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01:07:27,049 --> 01:07:24,900
minutes

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01:07:29,150 --> 01:07:27,059
um wow uh yeah I don't know uh well

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01:07:31,069 --> 01:07:29,160
let's see uh uh trying to remember the

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01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,079
questions uh night night routine is is

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01:07:35,690 --> 01:07:33,839
very simple um uh when I'm when I'm done

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01:07:37,609 --> 01:07:35,700
with the kids and the wife and my

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01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:37,619
parents and everybody else in the house

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01:07:42,289 --> 01:07:40,200
I sort of uh do a little more work as

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01:07:44,329 --> 01:07:42,299
much as I can until I can see that I'm

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01:07:45,950 --> 01:07:44,339
no longer being useful and then I crawl

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01:07:47,690 --> 01:07:45,960
off and collapse that's my nighttime

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01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:47,700
routine nothing too uh nothing too

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01:07:52,490 --> 01:07:49,680
exciting there I don't have much trouble

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01:07:57,010 --> 01:07:52,500
falling asleep I I fall asleep within

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01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:57,020
seconds in fact uh if I well yeah

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01:08:01,970 --> 01:08:00,240
yeah no I don't really wish that on

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01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:01,980
anybody actually because I think I think

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01:08:06,349 --> 01:08:03,780
it's I think it's some some amount of

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01:08:07,730 --> 01:08:06,359
sleep deprivation and so uh if I'm left

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01:08:10,430 --> 01:08:07,740
in my own devices I will pretty much

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01:08:12,770 --> 01:08:10,440
just just you know fall asleep um yeah

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01:08:14,930 --> 01:08:12,780
so uh so yeah no I've never I've never

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01:08:16,010 --> 01:08:14,940
had the trouble I I wake up I get up in

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01:08:19,130 --> 01:08:16,020
the morning I don't have an alarm clock

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01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:19,140
I I wake up very early uh just no matter

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01:08:23,209 --> 01:08:21,120
when I go to sleep I wake up very early

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01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,219
so do you work out

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01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:25,199
uh yeah yeah

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01:08:32,450 --> 01:08:26,580
every day

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01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:32,460
some days are uh you know sort of walk

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01:08:36,110 --> 01:08:34,799
out walking outside and some days are a

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01:08:37,610 --> 01:08:36,120
little bit of weights and some days are

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01:08:40,370 --> 01:08:37,620
some other things

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01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:40,380
um yeah there's something

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01:08:45,169 --> 01:08:43,199
yeah okay Michael you gotta get going I

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01:08:47,329 --> 01:08:45,179
gotta get going I would like to promote

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01:08:49,789 --> 01:08:47,339
your Twitter once more Dr Michael Levin

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01:08:51,229 --> 01:08:49,799
so at Dr Michael Levin and then you have

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01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:51,239
a website and I don't want to miss data

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01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,279
so why don't you please let audience

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01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:55,759
know what it is yeah it's just uh Dr

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01:09:00,530 --> 01:08:59,040
mike11.org it's one word Dr mike11.org

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01:09:01,430 --> 01:09:00,540
that's why all the papers are there um

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01:09:03,289 --> 01:09:01,440
every day you know all the videos

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01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:03,299
everything's linked there um Kurt thank

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01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:05,759
you so much I really appreciate being on

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01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,920
um uh you know fantastic so many I wish

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01:09:11,090 --> 01:09:09,600
I could lots of fun look Mike is a

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01:09:13,610 --> 01:09:11,100
machine there's so many people that are

1722
01:09:15,769 --> 01:09:13,620
just loving you all so many plotteds for

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01:09:19,010 --> 01:09:15,779
Andy for Carlos for Mike and I and for

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01:09:20,329 --> 01:09:19,020
Dawn and for Ian apologies if I if I'm

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01:09:21,950 --> 01:09:20,339
not bringing them up I don't want to

1726
01:09:22,970 --> 01:09:21,960
distract you too much and also I don't

1727
01:09:25,249 --> 01:09:22,980
want to flatter your Eagles too much

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01:09:30,050 --> 01:09:25,259
though take it easy everybody Happy New

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01:09:30,060 --> 01:09:34,189
all right just us podcasters

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01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:36,050
yeah so what's new man what's new Andy

1731
01:09:40,430 --> 01:09:37,920
and I'm not sure if you've met Carlos

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01:09:43,370 --> 01:09:40,440
before but Carlos please meet Andy no no

1733
01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:43,380
good to meet you Carlos uh Carlos is

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01:09:48,769 --> 01:09:46,259
from The semf Institute correct well

1735
01:09:50,030 --> 01:09:48,779
we're not Institute yet it's just a

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01:09:52,249 --> 01:09:50,040
society for multi-disciplinary

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01:09:54,110 --> 01:09:52,259
fundamental research is a new

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01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,120
organization we're setting up where we

1739
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:56,400
actually Mike 11 was uh was giving a

1740
01:10:00,350 --> 01:09:58,620
talk a few months ago we tried to bring

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01:10:02,209 --> 01:10:00,360
as many different perspectives as

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01:10:04,610 --> 01:10:02,219
possible to deal with you know Central

1743
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:04,620
Concepts like space a few months ago we

1744
01:10:08,150 --> 01:10:06,000
had the concept of space and we had you

1745
01:10:10,250 --> 01:10:08,160
know mathematicians business but also

1746
01:10:11,330 --> 01:10:10,260
psychologists biologists

1747
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:11,340
um you know people people from

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01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:12,719
Humanities and so on bringing

1749
01:10:16,669 --> 01:10:14,460
perspectives to have this sort of

1750
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:16,679
melting pot of traditions of different

1751
01:10:21,649 --> 01:10:19,520
ideas and so on WOW

1752
01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:21,659
that that sounds like something that

1753
01:10:25,250 --> 01:10:22,980
would require a two or three hour

1754
01:10:28,189 --> 01:10:25,260
podcast just explain to me properly what

1755
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:28,199
exactly it was and uh something that I

1756
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:29,520
would listen to more than be involved in

1757
01:10:33,770 --> 01:10:30,960
but that sounds really cool I just talk

1758
01:10:35,450 --> 01:10:33,780
about UFOs so um yeah I know Dan was

1759
01:10:37,610 --> 01:10:35,460
going to be on at the same time but Kirk

1760
01:10:38,930 --> 01:10:37,620
put me in pretty quick so I don't know

1761
01:10:42,050 --> 01:10:38,940
if he's he's running a little he's not

1762
01:10:44,209 --> 01:10:42,060
behind yet but yeah um I've like I said

1763
01:10:46,010 --> 01:10:44,219
had my little break but 2022 was quite a

1764
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:46,020
big year with it with UFOs and stuff

1765
01:10:50,030 --> 01:10:47,760
someone saying Ryan Graves should have

1766
01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:50,040
been here Ryan Graves only does the big

1767
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,960
podcast so cart might be able to get

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01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:53,280
Ryan on

1769
01:10:57,530 --> 01:10:54,780
um I've tried to get Ryan a few times

1770
01:10:59,209 --> 01:10:57,540
very experienced pilot knows his stuff

1771
01:11:01,729 --> 01:10:59,219
um but yeah 2020 C should be a really

1772
01:11:04,010 --> 01:11:01,739
interesting year cut for for UFOs

1773
01:11:05,810 --> 01:11:04,020
um if you've seen with the ndaa passing

1774
01:11:08,030 --> 01:11:05,820
recently there's potential for

1775
01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:08,040
Congressional hearings again uh talking

1776
01:11:12,290 --> 01:11:10,440
about UFOs which even for people who

1777
01:11:14,030 --> 01:11:12,300
don't have an interest in the UFO topic

1778
01:11:16,370 --> 01:11:14,040
because of flying sources Little Green

1779
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,380
Men and it's too much nonsense they're

1780
01:11:20,090 --> 01:11:18,000
going to be talking about it in a very

1781
01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:20,100
clear political setting so I'm pretty

1782
01:11:25,370 --> 01:11:23,100
excited for that coming up

1783
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:25,380
Andy I hear I hear your accent are you

1784
01:11:29,570 --> 01:11:28,080
from Scotland I am I I live in the

1785
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:29,580
northeast of England but I am from

1786
01:11:33,770 --> 01:11:31,920
Scotland yep uh this is my this is my

1787
01:11:36,770 --> 01:11:33,780
really proper accent I'm putting on so

1788
01:11:38,510 --> 01:11:36,780
everyone borderline understands me I've

1789
01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:38,520
lived in Edinburgh for eight years now

1790
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:41,460
oh nice are you in Edinburgh now not now

1791
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:43,199
I'm in Spain I'm in Alicante where I'm

1792
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:44,880
from okay

1793
01:11:49,010 --> 01:11:46,860
but I yeah I've lived in Edinburgh I did

1794
01:11:50,930 --> 01:11:49,020
my PhD University of Edinburgh I was I

1795
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:50,940
was there for a while yes so there's

1796
01:11:55,130 --> 01:11:52,560
there's the difference between you and I

1797
01:11:58,430 --> 01:11:55,140
Carlos you've done a PhD in Edinburgh I

1798
01:12:00,590 --> 01:11:58,440
lived in Lanzarote for six months as a

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01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:00,600
holiday rep so that's there's the

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01:12:04,490 --> 01:12:02,159
different backgrounds yeah you are doing

1801
01:12:07,610 --> 01:12:04,500
a PhD and I was a holiday rep for a tour

1802
01:12:09,970 --> 01:12:07,620
company but yeah we're kind of getting

1803
01:12:12,649 --> 01:12:09,980
the best of our civilizations mutually

1804
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,659
absolutely yeah I'm I'm the light relief

1805
01:12:16,970 --> 01:12:14,880
I think the light comic relief that's it

1806
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:16,980
no that's that's great that's great

1807
01:12:21,169 --> 01:12:19,199
um fascinating spicings and stuff so

1808
01:12:24,050 --> 01:12:21,179
apparently Gary Nolan is watching Gary

1809
01:12:29,630 --> 01:12:24,060
please join

1810
01:12:35,930 --> 01:12:31,250
Carlos

1811
01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:35,940
familiar with Gary Nolan uh no I'm not

1812
01:12:40,430 --> 01:12:38,820
so Gary's a professor at Stanford I

1813
01:12:41,870 --> 01:12:40,440
believe specializing in molecular

1814
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:41,880
biology it could be incorrect about that

1815
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:43,440
or the biomedical

1816
01:12:47,870 --> 01:12:46,080
oh here we go here's someone who will

1817
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:47,880
correct me Ben

1818
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,640
oh how's it going

1819
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:52,800
hello there good to see you man it's

1820
01:12:57,950 --> 01:12:53,520
been

1821
01:13:00,830 --> 01:12:57,960
and months

1822
01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:00,840
Gary Gary hiding out in a bunker we have

1823
01:13:05,090 --> 01:13:03,600
a Gary hello Gary

1824
01:13:08,930 --> 01:13:05,100
how's it going man

1825
01:13:14,450 --> 01:13:10,729
hello hello Gary it's wet and very

1826
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:14,460
ufocentric hi Gary good to see you

1827
01:13:22,610 --> 01:13:20,570
can you speak again please

1828
01:13:24,890 --> 01:13:22,620
before I do let me figure out which of

1829
01:13:28,189 --> 01:13:24,900
the many microphones sitting around here

1830
01:13:29,390 --> 01:13:28,199
around here yes please do yeah I've been

1831
01:13:30,649 --> 01:13:29,400
doing the same thing for the past 10

1832
01:13:34,729 --> 01:13:30,659
minutes

1833
01:13:38,030 --> 01:13:34,739
and and John vervaki John verbaki has a

1834
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:40,669
after Socrates if I'm not in if I'm not

1835
01:13:46,669 --> 01:13:43,440
mistaken is that correct John yep the

1836
01:13:47,870 --> 01:13:46,679
new series comes out January 9th on my

1837
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:47,880
YouTube channel it's called after

1838
01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:52,080
Socrates and it's uh all about

1839
01:13:55,130 --> 01:13:52,860
um

1840
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,140
uh being after Socrates in multiple ways

1841
01:13:59,090 --> 01:13:57,360
uh try to catch up with him where he's

1842
01:14:00,890 --> 01:13:59,100
taken us

1843
01:14:02,750 --> 01:14:00,900
um trying to learn how to live a

1844
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:02,760
Socratic life so in addition to like

1845
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:04,800
Awakening for the meeting crisis which

1846
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,280
is a continuous argument lecture series

1847
01:14:12,290 --> 01:14:10,080
uh there will also be points to ponder

1848
01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:12,300
which you can reflect upon individually

1849
01:14:17,410 --> 01:14:14,460
or I encourage people to get into a

1850
01:14:20,090 --> 01:14:17,420
group discussion about it and

1851
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:20,100
most importantly there'll be a

1852
01:14:26,030 --> 01:14:22,080
pedagogical program of practices that

1853
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:26,040
goes along with uh uh every lecture so

1854
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:28,080
at the end of every lecture I'll then

1855
01:14:32,030 --> 01:14:29,760
teach a practice that goes along with it

1856
01:14:34,669 --> 01:14:32,040
the practices build on each other like

1857
01:14:37,070 --> 01:14:34,679
the lectures do and the the idea is to

1858
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:37,080
give you a an exposure to a rich Ecology

1859
01:14:42,350 --> 01:14:40,560
of practices that uh will enable you to

1860
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:42,360
live the socratic life and really get a

1861
01:14:47,149 --> 01:14:44,880
sense of respectival and participatory

1862
01:14:50,930 --> 01:14:47,159
you may have heard of those sense of

1863
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:50,940
what it is to live a Socratic life

1864
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:53,520
well thank you John thank you thank you

1865
01:14:58,490 --> 01:14:55,199
Gary so

1866
01:14:59,149 --> 01:14:58,500
this was this is just us coming into a

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01:15:01,370 --> 01:14:59,159
pub

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01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:01,380
I know John you just went in deep like

1869
01:15:07,010 --> 01:15:05,280
you just went into the philosophical

1870
01:15:09,770 --> 01:15:07,020
deep end and

1871
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:09,780
just I wish we had shots I don't drink

1872
01:15:14,209 --> 01:15:10,880
but

1873
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:14,219
how was your holiday John that was my

1874
01:15:19,310 --> 01:15:17,520
holiday uh my holiday was uh well it's

1875
01:15:21,410 --> 01:15:19,320
continuing to be really good it's a

1876
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:21,420
mixture I I was able to take some time

1877
01:15:25,970 --> 01:15:24,719
off uh but I've also been doing some

1878
01:15:28,250 --> 01:15:25,980
work

1879
01:15:31,729 --> 01:15:28,260
um I'm going away at the beginning of

1880
01:15:32,810 --> 01:15:31,739
January uh to film uh an online course

1881
01:15:34,430 --> 01:15:32,820
and

1882
01:15:37,010 --> 01:15:34,440
I'm going away at the end of January to

1883
01:15:38,810 --> 01:15:37,020
California uh so I mean I'm happy about

1884
01:15:40,910 --> 01:15:38,820
that I'm a Canadian so get you know

1885
01:15:42,649 --> 01:15:40,920
somebody paying me to go to Florida and

1886
01:15:43,850 --> 01:15:42,659
to California is like of course of

1887
01:15:46,490 --> 01:15:43,860
course

1888
01:15:49,370 --> 01:15:46,500
um but uh uh but today's a warmer day

1889
01:15:51,290 --> 01:15:49,380
luckily hey I think it's a record in

1890
01:15:52,669 --> 01:15:51,300
Toronto it said 13 I don't think it's

1891
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,679
ever hit this before

1892
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,719
yeah

1893
01:15:58,910 --> 01:15:56,640
Gary what's what's been your holiday

1894
01:16:10,030 --> 01:15:58,920
what's your holiday been like

1895
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:12,020
so what were you up to

1896
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:26,090
um actually uh working up some of the

1897
01:16:32,209 --> 01:16:29,280
next steps for the UAP studies in my lab

1898
01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:32,219
uh we actually were down at uh at a

1899
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:36,300
high-tech uh Imaging facility in uh

1900
01:16:43,070 --> 01:16:39,840
in San Jose uh to do some Imaging at the

1901
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:43,080
atomic level for some materials uh that

1902
01:16:46,490 --> 01:16:45,120
we've got for the new instrument it's

1903
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:46,500
the beginnings of the new instrument

1904
01:16:50,330 --> 01:16:48,480
that we're making for Imaging material

1905
01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:50,340
at the atomic level

1906
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:51,900
because I figure that that's one way to

1907
01:16:57,470 --> 01:16:54,960
if you want to look for a a Smoking Gun

1908
01:16:59,209 --> 01:16:57,480
you want to find things that are made in

1909
01:17:01,130 --> 01:16:59,219
a way that nobody else understands how

1910
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,140
to make them

1911
01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:03,600
or at the very least you can then say

1912
01:17:07,729 --> 01:17:05,640
what's in them at a much with a much

1913
01:17:08,930 --> 01:17:07,739
higher level of resolution I mean just

1914
01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:08,940
knowing that there's

1915
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:11,100
you know silicon and germanium or

1916
01:17:13,970 --> 01:17:12,719
whatever in material doesn't tell you

1917
01:17:16,370 --> 01:17:13,980
anything about where the atoms are

1918
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:18,470
Gary do you mind explaining

1919
01:17:21,290 --> 01:17:20,400
what you do and what your focus is to

1920
01:17:23,090 --> 01:17:21,300
John

1921
01:17:26,030 --> 01:17:23,100
I know that I'm not sure if you both

1922
01:17:28,850 --> 01:17:26,040
have met no before so this is John

1923
01:17:31,010 --> 01:17:28,860
vervaki from U of T Gary I mean sorry

1924
01:17:33,229 --> 01:17:31,020
John this is Gary from Stanford Gary

1925
01:17:36,770 --> 01:17:33,239
Nolan

1926
01:17:40,430 --> 01:17:36,780
oh my my pleasure my day job is

1927
01:17:42,890 --> 01:17:40,440
Immunology cancer Imaging algorithms for

1928
01:17:44,990 --> 01:17:42,900
interpreting bioinformatics things like

1929
01:17:46,490 --> 01:17:45,000
that uh We've spun out a number of

1930
01:17:49,130 --> 01:17:46,500
companies

1931
01:17:52,130 --> 01:17:49,140
um but you know for John and I think a

1932
01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:52,140
lot of people on the on the uh on the

1933
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:54,900
YouTube who who know me my interest has

1934
01:18:04,310 --> 01:17:59,040
been in how to formalize research in

1935
01:18:06,890 --> 01:18:04,320
such exotic topics as uh as UAP right

1936
01:18:08,450 --> 01:18:06,900
how do you and I don't mean this in any

1937
01:18:12,050 --> 01:18:08,460
kind of a derogatory sense how do you

1938
01:18:14,990 --> 01:18:12,060
teach the lay public to ask questions

1939
01:18:17,570 --> 01:18:15,000
about science that doesn't presuppose a

1940
01:18:19,310 --> 01:18:17,580
conclusion that basically puts them in a

1941
01:18:21,950 --> 01:18:19,320
position of looking like you know being

1942
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:21,960
made a fool of which is one you know has

1943
01:18:27,050 --> 01:18:24,480
been done for decades and across many

1944
01:18:29,450 --> 01:18:27,060
disciplines it's not just UAP so it's

1945
01:18:31,610 --> 01:18:29,460
about you know how to get people to

1946
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:31,620
agree that the data is real and then

1947
01:18:37,370 --> 01:18:34,320
once the data is real real you can flip

1948
01:18:39,470 --> 01:18:37,380
the tables on people and say okay well I

1949
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:39,480
don't have to explain it it's not my

1950
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:42,719
responsibility you can't just yeah you

1951
01:18:47,149 --> 01:18:44,400
know turn down and critique everything I

1952
01:18:51,229 --> 01:18:47,159
I suggest it's the responsibility of any

1953
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:51,239
good scientist to also suggest Solutions

1954
01:18:55,370 --> 01:18:53,040
uh so that's been you know that's been

1955
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:55,380
one of my major ones and then the other

1956
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:56,880
is that more recently in speaking with

1957
01:19:01,070 --> 01:18:59,280
philosophers and I wish I saw the people

1958
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:01,080
who were on just previously you know

1959
01:19:04,669 --> 01:19:02,640
what are the burdens of proof for

1960
01:19:06,410 --> 01:19:04,679
different kinds of observations

1961
01:19:08,930 --> 01:19:06,420
you know a burden of proof for a

1962
01:19:13,070 --> 01:19:08,940
so-called experiencer is different than

1963
01:19:14,810 --> 01:19:13,080
that of a uh of a scientist but both of

1964
01:19:17,149 --> 01:19:14,820
these people want to talk to each other

1965
01:19:20,090 --> 01:19:17,159
so coming up with with a linguistic path

1966
01:19:22,490 --> 01:19:20,100
that allows them to talk to each other

1967
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:22,500
in a way that they're not talking past

1968
01:19:26,290 --> 01:19:25,440
each other I think is important

1969
01:19:29,390 --> 01:19:26,300
um

1970
01:19:33,130 --> 01:19:29,400
very interesting uh do you talk to them

1971
01:19:36,290 --> 01:19:33,140
about issues around bias and

1972
01:19:38,930 --> 01:19:36,300
self-deception yeah oh yeah I mean

1973
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:38,940
especially the um

1974
01:19:45,410 --> 01:19:41,280
what's it called it's uh it's a French

1975
01:19:48,649 --> 01:19:45,420
it's a French term for uh the the folio

1976
01:19:50,689 --> 01:19:48,659
do right that basically there's a you

1977
01:19:54,350 --> 01:19:50,699
know feedback mechanism between two

1978
01:19:55,850 --> 01:19:54,360
people who reinforce their delusion if

1979
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:55,860
you will

1980
01:19:59,810 --> 01:19:57,600
um and so yeah there's a there's a lot

1981
01:20:01,729 --> 01:19:59,820
of that I mean most of the work that

1982
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:01,739
I've done with people who are let's say

1983
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:05,280
uh orbiting the the government uh on

1984
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:06,480
this issue

1985
01:20:10,430 --> 01:20:08,880
um are scientists who spent a lot of

1986
01:20:13,010 --> 01:20:10,440
time especially with the psychological

1987
01:20:14,450 --> 01:20:13,020
aspects of this actually verifying that

1988
01:20:16,490 --> 01:20:14,460
the people that were collecting data

1989
01:20:19,070 --> 01:20:16,500
from don't have some other kind of

1990
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:19,080
mental health issue I mean the problem

1991
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:21,840
is that many of these many people are

1992
01:20:26,050 --> 01:20:24,239
they actually are both they both have

1993
01:20:29,209 --> 01:20:26,060
kind of a mental health condition

1994
01:20:32,510 --> 01:20:29,219
because of the experience and because of

1995
01:20:34,430 --> 01:20:32,520
society's reaction to that

1996
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:34,440
um so there's a you know disentangling

1997
01:20:38,689 --> 01:20:37,440
that is is just as bad a um a problem as

1998
01:20:41,149 --> 01:20:38,699
anything else

1999
01:20:43,250 --> 01:20:41,159
yeah it's been related work on potential

2000
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:43,260
overlaps between what you might call

2001
01:20:49,209 --> 01:20:45,360
foolishness which is an epistemic and

2002
01:20:52,250 --> 01:20:49,219
moral failure to address self-deceptions

2003
01:20:54,590 --> 01:20:52,260
like that and then

2004
01:20:57,410 --> 01:20:54,600
um and mental health issues that also

2005
01:21:00,050 --> 01:20:57,420
have that kind of uh biasing of

2006
01:21:01,669 --> 01:21:00,060
attention and salience dysregulation and

2007
01:21:03,229 --> 01:21:01,679
so there's a gray line where I would

2008
01:21:05,810 --> 01:21:03,239
expect you to find a large number of

2009
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:05,820
people where it's hard to disentangle

2010
01:21:11,209 --> 01:21:09,120
those two yeah no I mean it's I mean we

2011
01:21:14,570 --> 01:21:11,219
use in some ways the same things that we

2012
01:21:16,850 --> 01:21:14,580
do for the clinical studies that we're

2013
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:16,860
involved with with cancer researchers we

2014
01:21:20,450 --> 01:21:18,000
do a lot of

2015
01:21:22,430 --> 01:21:20,460
what's called inclusion exclusion

2016
01:21:26,209 --> 01:21:22,440
criteria you have to make sure that

2017
01:21:30,410 --> 01:21:28,070
um so that your statistics can be more

2018
01:21:32,810 --> 01:21:30,420
powerful because you're focusing on a

2019
01:21:34,130 --> 01:21:32,820
um on a more uniform group I mean the

2020
01:21:35,870 --> 01:21:34,140
problem with uniformity of course is

2021
01:21:38,510 --> 01:21:35,880
that it misses all of the interesting

2022
01:21:40,490 --> 01:21:38,520
stuff in the middle you know it's often

2023
01:21:42,169 --> 01:21:40,500
stuff in the middle that's that you can

2024
01:21:43,370 --> 01:21:42,179
explain the edges usually but the stuff

2025
01:21:45,950 --> 01:21:43,380
in the middle is where the fun stuff

2026
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:45,960
happens and it might miss stuff that

2027
01:21:50,450 --> 01:21:48,480
transfers right it doesn't generalize or

2028
01:21:52,130 --> 01:21:50,460
transfer appropriately to the individual

2029
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:52,140
differences that pick out a particular

2030
01:21:55,729 --> 01:21:54,480
pathological population either so you

2031
01:21:57,229 --> 01:21:55,739
get the you get the problem the other

2032
01:21:59,570 --> 01:21:57,239
way too that you may be missing other

2033
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:59,580
than causal factors that way

2034
01:22:02,689 --> 01:22:01,199
you know for me I mean I think the

2035
01:22:05,930 --> 01:22:02,699
pilots were brought up a moment ago

2036
01:22:08,750 --> 01:22:05,940
people like Ryan Graves and others you

2037
01:22:11,450 --> 01:22:08,760
know that here you have experts who are

2038
01:22:15,229 --> 01:22:11,460
then let's say turned upon by I'll call

2039
01:22:18,169 --> 01:22:15,239
them pseudoskeptics uh and grouped with

2040
01:22:20,810 --> 01:22:18,179
you know the uh let's say the less

2041
01:22:22,610 --> 01:22:20,820
Savory characters uh in the UFO

2042
01:22:25,010 --> 01:22:22,620
Community or you know basically people

2043
01:22:28,430 --> 01:22:25,020
who do have you know issues or saw the

2044
01:22:30,370 --> 01:22:28,440
wrong thing and and so they're very

2045
01:22:35,149 --> 01:22:30,380
credible testimonies and observations

2046
01:22:38,209 --> 01:22:35,159
are basically brought down to earth if

2047
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:38,219
you will by commentary that Associates

2048
01:22:44,990 --> 01:22:40,800
them with absolutely ridiculous you know

2049
01:22:48,649 --> 01:22:46,550
so I mean that's that's part of the

2050
01:22:52,010 --> 01:22:48,659
problem but my you know my push has

2051
01:22:54,770 --> 01:22:52,020
always been uh you know always go after

2052
01:22:56,510 --> 01:22:54,780
the inevitable right always aim for the

2053
01:22:57,709 --> 01:22:56,520
inevitable the things that you know must

2054
01:22:59,870 --> 01:22:57,719
be true I mean obviously that's going to

2055
01:23:01,729 --> 01:22:59,880
be very self-serving uh objective and

2056
01:23:02,990 --> 01:23:01,739
that you you know what you think is is

2057
01:23:04,729 --> 01:23:03,000
inevitable might not be what somebody

2058
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:04,739
else does but I think if you can Define

2059
01:23:10,370 --> 01:23:07,199
what's truly inevitable and then focus

2060
01:23:14,209 --> 01:23:10,380
on it and just ignore the critics you

2061
01:23:16,729 --> 01:23:14,219
know it's it's three parts confidence

2062
01:23:19,250 --> 01:23:16,739
you know two parts ignorance that

2063
01:23:22,430 --> 01:23:19,260
actually is what drives progress

2064
01:23:23,930 --> 01:23:22,440
in these kinds of areas so

2065
01:23:25,850 --> 01:23:23,940
um you know that's always been my

2066
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:25,860
Approach

2067
01:23:29,330 --> 01:23:27,840
people I remember you know people have

2068
01:23:32,209 --> 01:23:29,340
said Gary you're very confident I said

2069
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:32,219
I'm not confident and I just I just want

2070
01:23:36,050 --> 01:23:33,360
to do it

2071
01:23:37,790 --> 01:23:36,060
right and if you don't have a decision

2072
01:23:38,570 --> 01:23:37,800
of something a hypothesis you're trying

2073
01:23:39,890 --> 01:23:38,580
to

2074
01:23:42,410 --> 01:23:39,900
test

2075
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:42,420
then there's you know then you just you

2076
01:23:46,189 --> 01:23:43,440
know you're just left in this kind of

2077
01:23:49,250 --> 01:23:46,199
wishy-washy area of never proving or

2078
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:51,470
you know I've always uh I I like using

2079
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,520
this analogy that one of my mentors from

2080
01:23:57,410 --> 01:23:55,679
grad school you know told me Lee

2081
01:23:58,669 --> 01:23:57,420
herzenberg and she was saying look

2082
01:24:00,110 --> 01:23:58,679
there's two kinds of questions there's

2083
01:24:02,510 --> 01:24:00,120
the Las Vegas question where the answer

2084
01:24:05,390 --> 01:24:02,520
is yes and no and if you waste you spend

2085
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:05,400
six months on no you're interested you

2086
01:24:10,010 --> 01:24:07,679
know that's a bad thing obviously the

2087
01:24:11,870 --> 01:24:10,020
Las Vegas outcome might be great but

2088
01:24:14,689 --> 01:24:11,880
sometimes there's a kind of a Zen Twist

2089
01:24:16,669 --> 01:24:14,699
of the question that you can apply that

2090
01:24:18,830 --> 01:24:16,679
makes any question interesting no matter

2091
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:18,840
the answer and so that's where I think

2092
01:24:22,370 --> 01:24:20,400
it kind of flips back to the UAP

2093
01:24:24,649 --> 01:24:22,380
phenomenon is that the answer is

2094
01:24:27,229 --> 01:24:24,659
interesting no matter what

2095
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:27,239
right whether it's We're Alone

2096
01:24:33,649 --> 01:24:30,000
how fascinating and sad

2097
01:24:35,090 --> 01:24:33,659
or there is something how amazing uh you

2098
01:24:37,250 --> 01:24:35,100
know the question the real open question

2099
01:24:40,010 --> 01:24:37,260
is how close is the something is it here

2100
01:24:43,370 --> 01:24:40,020
or are we just is it just more hopeful

2101
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:45,890
I'm curious John and and Gary what is

2102
01:24:50,209 --> 01:24:48,000
your earliest childhood memory

2103
01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:50,219
John if you don't mind

2104
01:24:56,209 --> 01:24:54,300
I was laying on the living room floor I

2105
01:24:58,910 --> 01:24:56,219
was three and something I'm wondering

2106
01:25:02,810 --> 01:24:58,920
what school was like

2107
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:02,820
how old are you oh it's really three and

2108
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,560
a half or so just before I was gonna go

2109
01:25:08,330 --> 01:25:06,480
to about it about eight months or so

2110
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:08,340
before he's gonna go to school

2111
01:25:14,270 --> 01:25:11,520
you were anxious about it like no no not

2112
01:25:16,850 --> 01:25:14,280
at all you're excited I was curious I

2113
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:16,860
was I was wondering what my sisters my

2114
01:25:22,610 --> 01:25:18,719
older sisters did at school what school

2115
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:22,620
was like that's why so I guess I was

2116
01:25:26,209 --> 01:25:24,000
destined from the beginning to be an

2117
01:25:28,910 --> 01:25:26,219
academic my first memories about what's

2118
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:28,920
school like exactly yeah

2119
01:25:34,370 --> 01:25:31,679
and Gary

2120
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:34,380
um I have like three or four from like I

2121
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:35,520
mean

2122
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:38,400
like before we came to this country when

2123
01:25:41,630 --> 01:25:40,320
I was one and a half on a ship actually

2124
01:25:44,090 --> 01:25:41,640
from Liverpool

2125
01:25:45,950 --> 01:25:44,100
and so I remember

2126
01:25:48,229 --> 01:25:45,960
being passed out the window at one point

2127
01:25:50,750 --> 01:25:48,239
in Liverpool to my father

2128
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:50,760
uh who put me on the back of a motorbike

2129
01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:53,760
I remember being for the first time

2130
01:25:58,189 --> 01:25:55,860
actually put a toilet I remember seeing

2131
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:58,199
the toilet in front of me

2132
01:26:02,030 --> 01:26:00,239
um and I remember being on the ship left

2133
01:26:03,950 --> 01:26:02,040
alone by my mother because my father was

2134
01:26:05,689 --> 01:26:03,960
already in the United States so these

2135
01:26:07,550 --> 01:26:05,699
are all kind of frightening moments you

2136
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:07,560
know I mean I I don't really remember

2137
01:26:10,970 --> 01:26:09,840
much Beyond those but those moments

2138
01:26:12,169 --> 01:26:10,980
where oh I remember being brought out to

2139
01:26:14,330 --> 01:26:12,179
the front of the ship and it was just

2140
01:26:15,470 --> 01:26:14,340
sort of this Misty thing so I must have

2141
01:26:19,010 --> 01:26:15,480
been before one and a half but they're

2142
01:26:21,410 --> 01:26:19,020
just like flashes no cognizance

2143
01:26:24,290 --> 01:26:21,420
right just kind of these flashes of

2144
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:24,300
stuff that I can still see I don't think

2145
01:26:28,430 --> 01:26:26,400
then the next memories came until I was

2146
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:28,440
around three which were kind of little

2147
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:36,050
and Carlos and Dan and Andy sorry if I'm

2148
01:26:40,129 --> 01:26:37,440
monopolizing if you have any questions

2149
01:26:42,590 --> 01:26:40,139
for for Gary and John please

2150
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:42,600
please ask it's a bit difficult because

2151
01:26:48,050 --> 01:26:44,880
we're doing this virtually and so

2152
01:26:49,610 --> 01:26:48,060
interjecting is always tough but please

2153
01:26:51,410 --> 01:26:49,620
I've got like a million questions

2154
01:26:53,209 --> 01:26:51,420
especially for someone like Gary I could

2155
01:26:55,610 --> 01:26:53,219
speak to on a daily basis

2156
01:26:58,490 --> 01:26:55,620
um but not to waste too much time and

2157
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:58,500
Gary Indiana directions yeah you both

2158
01:27:03,229 --> 01:27:00,960
mentioned though mental health in terms

2159
01:27:06,169 --> 01:27:03,239
of the in the UFO topic and it's a huge

2160
01:27:08,930 --> 01:27:06,179
a huge area especially in 2022 going

2161
01:27:12,530 --> 01:27:08,940
into 2023 and Beyond and I just wonder

2162
01:27:15,169 --> 01:27:12,540
how how do you navigate the conversation

2163
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:15,179
in terms of the UFO topic especially

2164
01:27:18,890 --> 01:27:16,800
when it goes into the political Arena

2165
01:27:21,410 --> 01:27:18,900
when you're hoping to have hearings in

2166
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:21,420
the U.S Congress and further afield

2167
01:27:25,970 --> 01:27:24,000
without it coming across like it is a

2168
01:27:27,410 --> 01:27:25,980
massive mental health issue because

2169
01:27:29,209 --> 01:27:27,420
that's the way I think a lot the general

2170
01:27:31,490 --> 01:27:29,219
public or even if I have conversations

2171
01:27:34,010 --> 01:27:31,500
with people I work with the way they see

2172
01:27:38,270 --> 01:27:34,020
the topic is people are either crazy

2173
01:27:41,629 --> 01:27:39,890
well I mean

2174
01:27:43,490 --> 01:27:41,639
you know you should see my email inbox

2175
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:43,500
sometime with some of the you know the

2176
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:52,370
five-page you know diatribes and it's

2177
01:27:56,270 --> 01:27:54,239
like I don't even have

2178
01:27:57,470 --> 01:27:56,280
um you know I I tried very carefully I

2179
01:27:59,330 --> 01:27:57,480
mean look I'm not an MD and I'm

2180
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:59,340
certainly not a psychiatrist

2181
01:28:03,290 --> 01:28:01,440
um but uh I think one of the good things

2182
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:03,300
about the openness of the topic is

2183
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:05,280
amongst the many emails I get are

2184
01:28:12,770 --> 01:28:08,159
actually emails from psychiatrists and

2185
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:12,780
uh um Health mental health officials

2186
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:15,600
um and uh you know they say hey how can

2187
01:28:21,050 --> 01:28:18,320
we help right what can we do to organize

2188
01:28:23,149 --> 01:28:21,060
uh and provide

2189
01:28:25,550 --> 01:28:23,159
um you know more than just a little

2190
01:28:26,330 --> 01:28:25,560
local groups sorry about the dog

2191
01:28:28,669 --> 01:28:26,340
um

2192
01:28:30,890 --> 01:28:28,679
and uh you know I think it's again

2193
01:28:32,689 --> 01:28:30,900
similar I mean I don't I don't have the

2194
01:28:34,490 --> 01:28:32,699
wherewithal within the right communities

2195
01:28:37,250 --> 01:28:34,500
but it's similar to what Ryan Graves has

2196
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:37,260
been doing uh with the um American

2197
01:28:40,430 --> 01:28:39,360
Institute of

2198
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:40,440
uh

2199
01:28:45,950 --> 01:28:43,679
quiet all right Aeronautics where he has

2200
01:28:48,290 --> 01:28:45,960
created a group of people who can talk

2201
01:28:50,209 --> 01:28:48,300
to the other Pilots uh about the

2202
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:50,219
observations that they've had and give

2203
01:28:54,410 --> 01:28:52,320
them the kind of feedback that allows

2204
01:28:57,530 --> 01:28:54,420
them to not have a fear for their jobs

2205
01:28:59,629 --> 01:28:57,540
or fear for their sanity

2206
01:29:02,030 --> 01:28:59,639
um so I'm involved with a number of

2207
01:29:06,050 --> 01:29:02,040
others uh to actually set up um an

2208
01:29:08,270 --> 01:29:06,060
independent Institute uh that will um

2209
01:29:09,950 --> 01:29:08,280
amongst several things among policy

2210
01:29:13,010 --> 01:29:09,960
papers and other things that we'll write

2211
01:29:16,070 --> 01:29:13,020
around the whole UAP project also to

2212
01:29:18,890 --> 01:29:16,080
have an arm around uh the social aspects

2213
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:18,900
of things and so hopefully we'll be able

2214
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:21,360
to announce that later this year we've

2215
01:29:24,530 --> 01:29:23,040
already got some of our first major

2216
01:29:27,050 --> 01:29:24,540
donations

2217
01:29:29,870 --> 01:29:27,060
I mean what's exciting to me is the

2218
01:29:32,570 --> 01:29:29,880
amount of interest that is here and the

2219
01:29:33,950 --> 01:29:32,580
amount of available resources is

2220
01:29:36,649 --> 01:29:33,960
extraordinary it's really just about

2221
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:36,659
coordination and ignoring those stupid

2222
01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:38,400
articles in the Wall Street Journal and

2223
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:40,560
Julian Barnes and all of that

2224
01:29:44,030 --> 01:29:42,719
Ridiculousness I mean just don't pay

2225
01:29:45,770 --> 01:29:44,040
those kinds of people any attention

2226
01:29:49,129 --> 01:29:45,780
because they're really

2227
01:29:52,490 --> 01:29:49,139
um I think their objective is to

2228
01:29:54,770 --> 01:29:52,500
demoralize those who are working in the

2229
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:54,780
area and not so much as to spread

2230
01:29:58,370 --> 01:29:56,639
disinformation right I think

2231
01:30:00,350 --> 01:29:58,380
disinformation is one thing

2232
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:00,360
that's been done but I think the attempt

2233
01:30:07,070 --> 01:30:05,760
to demoralize uh is more uh I think

2234
01:30:09,229 --> 01:30:07,080
dangerous

2235
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:09,239
uh it's demoralizing those who want to

2236
01:30:13,310 --> 01:30:12,000
do it who want to invest who've already

2237
01:30:15,770 --> 01:30:13,320
made a decision that this is something

2238
01:30:17,870 --> 01:30:15,780
that should be worked upon

2239
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:17,880
um sorry to interject but why is it you

2240
01:30:20,689 --> 01:30:19,199
think that they're interested in

2241
01:30:23,390 --> 01:30:20,699
demoralizing do you think that that's

2242
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:23,400
their their conscious

2243
01:30:27,530 --> 01:30:26,159
aim or that's just an artist I think

2244
01:30:29,629 --> 01:30:27,540
it's both I mean I I know I don't want

2245
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:29,639
to get all conspiratorial but I mean if

2246
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:31,920
you're doing a psyop it's not just about

2247
01:30:37,310 --> 01:30:34,320
throwing litter into the conversation

2248
01:30:41,629 --> 01:30:37,320
it's about stopping your opponents from

2249
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:44,209
so Andy had a question and so John if

2250
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:45,600
you recall the question

2251
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:47,280
can you answer if not Andy can you

2252
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:48,960
repeat

2253
01:30:53,330 --> 01:30:51,600
uh I don't know if John does but it just

2254
01:30:55,970 --> 01:30:53,340
generally has thinking around the UFO

2255
01:30:58,430 --> 01:30:55,980
topic and and mental health how you have

2256
01:31:00,590 --> 01:30:58,440
that open conversation similar to Gary I

2257
01:31:02,570 --> 01:31:00,600
get people asking me telling me their

2258
01:31:05,330 --> 01:31:02,580
experiencers and they've had these like

2259
01:31:07,370 --> 01:31:05,340
Gary says five six seven pages worth of

2260
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:07,380
emails to tell you an incredible story

2261
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,880
as a one-off event or that's happened

2262
01:31:12,169 --> 01:31:10,560
throughout their life and they're

2263
01:31:14,689 --> 01:31:12,179
frustrated that those conversations

2264
01:31:17,149 --> 01:31:14,699
aren't being had in a more mainstream

2265
01:31:18,890 --> 01:31:17,159
way at the kind of higher levels well

2266
01:31:20,510 --> 01:31:18,900
they assume they aren't being had but

2267
01:31:22,370 --> 01:31:20,520
the worry is that if those are talked

2268
01:31:24,290 --> 01:31:22,380
about in terms of experiences being on

2269
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:24,300
kind of late night news chat shows

2270
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:25,679
they're going to be laughed at they're

2271
01:31:28,970 --> 01:31:27,120
going to be mocked and ridiculed and I

2272
01:31:30,590 --> 01:31:28,980
just wonder how how those conversations

2273
01:31:35,149 --> 01:31:30,600
can make their way into the mainstream

2274
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:39,590
I don't interact with uh UFO people at

2275
01:31:43,910 --> 01:31:41,760
all today too that hasn't come across I

2276
01:31:46,850 --> 01:31:43,920
don't know if that's just because of uh

2277
01:31:49,010 --> 01:31:46,860
the kind of work I do or the community

2278
01:31:50,810 --> 01:31:49,020
um so I don't I don't have too much to

2279
01:31:52,669 --> 01:31:50,820
say about this specific topic I can

2280
01:31:55,370 --> 01:31:52,679
speak to the general topic which I do a

2281
01:31:58,189 --> 01:31:55,380
lot of work on which is

2282
01:32:00,890 --> 01:31:58,199
um refurbishing our note our notion of

2283
01:32:02,270 --> 01:32:00,900
rationality uh we have a far too narrow

2284
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:02,280
and truncated notion that doesn't

2285
01:32:07,970 --> 01:32:04,560
actually serve

2286
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:07,980
um most of uh

2287
01:32:12,590 --> 01:32:11,280
most of action of actual existence and

2288
01:32:13,189 --> 01:32:12,600
living

2289
01:32:14,750 --> 01:32:13,199
um

2290
01:32:16,970 --> 01:32:14,760
and

2291
01:32:19,729 --> 01:32:16,980
for example I think there's far too much

2292
01:32:22,490 --> 01:32:19,739
of a priority put on a certain kind of

2293
01:32:23,450 --> 01:32:22,500
inferential logical ability

2294
01:32:26,810 --> 01:32:23,460
um that

2295
01:32:29,090 --> 01:32:26,820
probably isn't as Central to uh

2296
01:32:30,830 --> 01:32:29,100
rationality as overcoming self-deception

2297
01:32:32,470 --> 01:32:30,840
is which often involves very different

2298
01:32:35,570 --> 01:32:32,480
kinds of strategies around detention

2299
01:32:39,709 --> 01:32:35,580
proper understanding of how memory Works

2300
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:39,719
Etc which people can be well educated in

2301
01:32:46,550 --> 01:32:44,880
the difficulty comes you know in about

2302
01:32:50,510 --> 01:32:46,560
when

2303
01:32:53,450 --> 01:32:50,520
issues of irrationality and issues of

2304
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:53,460
pathology are intertwined together

2305
01:32:56,689 --> 01:32:54,480
um

2306
01:32:58,270 --> 01:32:56,699
because it's very hard in that gray area

2307
01:33:02,270 --> 01:32:58,280
to

2308
01:33:04,729 --> 01:33:02,280
excluded because

2309
01:33:06,890 --> 01:33:04,739
you have to understand for large groups

2310
01:33:08,090 --> 01:33:06,900
of topological individuals allowing them

2311
01:33:09,709 --> 01:33:08,100
into this conversation is actually

2312
01:33:12,290 --> 01:33:09,719
detrimental

2313
01:33:14,450 --> 01:33:12,300
right it reinforces the pathology in

2314
01:33:15,890 --> 01:33:14,460
ways that will prevent them from seeking

2315
01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:15,900
the help they need

2316
01:33:21,050 --> 01:33:18,000
Etc so there are

2317
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:21,060
um again I I'm not trying to take sides

2318
01:33:26,209 --> 01:33:23,040
or beacons territorial there are genuine

2319
01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:26,219
Quantified cases or groups of cases

2320
01:33:29,330 --> 01:33:28,080
where you want to include people through

2321
01:33:32,510 --> 01:33:29,340
these conversations because it's

2322
01:33:34,970 --> 01:33:32,520
deleterious to them and then how do you

2323
01:33:37,610 --> 01:33:34,980
separate that from

2324
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:37,620
uh people who may be saying things that

2325
01:33:40,990 --> 01:33:39,600
seem initially very odd or strange but

2326
01:33:44,510 --> 01:33:41,000
are ultimately

2327
01:33:48,830 --> 01:33:44,520
rationally valuable that is easy to

2328
01:33:51,649 --> 01:33:48,840
State as a thing it's very hard to do

2329
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:51,659
um and the reason is they it's like I

2330
01:33:56,930 --> 01:33:54,719
say people don't fall cleanly and

2331
01:33:58,250 --> 01:33:56,940
exhaustively and exclusively into one of

2332
01:33:59,149 --> 01:33:58,260
these groups or another you'll have

2333
01:34:01,910 --> 01:33:59,159
people

2334
01:34:05,450 --> 01:34:01,920
right who might be saying things that

2335
01:34:07,970 --> 01:34:05,460
are strange but epistemically worthy of

2336
01:34:09,649 --> 01:34:07,980
Investigation one minute and the next

2337
01:34:13,310 --> 01:34:09,659
minute saying things that definitely

2338
01:34:14,450 --> 01:34:13,320
indicate there's a pathology at work and

2339
01:34:16,669 --> 01:34:14,460
then what do you do with those

2340
01:34:20,209 --> 01:34:16,679
individuals you allow them to keep

2341
01:34:21,290 --> 01:34:20,219
speaking because of the epistemic value

2342
01:34:23,209 --> 01:34:21,300
of what they're saying but that's

2343
01:34:27,050 --> 01:34:23,219
detrimental to their Therapeutic Health

2344
01:34:29,090 --> 01:34:27,060
do you intervene therapeutically but

2345
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:29,100
then that's at the epistemic cost of

2346
01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:30,960
silencing a voice that may be bringing

2347
01:34:35,570 --> 01:34:33,120
arguments or evidence to bear it's a

2348
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:35,580
hard issue and it's not specific to this

2349
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:38,159
issue you know it pertains to people who

2350
01:34:42,050 --> 01:34:40,320
claim to have talked to Angels what do

2351
01:34:43,610 --> 01:34:42,060
you do with people like that and I'm not

2352
01:34:45,470 --> 01:34:43,620
saying I'm not trying to reduce one to

2353
01:34:47,390 --> 01:34:45,480
the other I'm not doing that I'm just

2354
01:34:50,330 --> 01:34:47,400
trying to give you that this is a this

2355
01:34:54,110 --> 01:34:50,340
is a very generic problem and we're not

2356
01:34:56,750 --> 01:34:54,120
doing a lot to talk about that we have a

2357
01:34:59,209 --> 01:34:56,760
category sanity we have other category

2358
01:35:01,550 --> 01:34:59,219
rationality how many conversations in

2359
01:35:02,750 --> 01:35:01,560
depth have you heard where people are

2360
01:35:05,810 --> 01:35:02,760
trying to work out what's the

2361
01:35:07,129 --> 01:35:05,820
relationship between rationality and

2362
01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:07,139
Sanity

2363
01:35:10,370 --> 01:35:08,639
I haven't heard a lot of these

2364
01:35:12,110 --> 01:35:10,380
conversations but the conversations we

2365
01:35:13,669 --> 01:35:12,120
need to have and we need to have them

2366
01:35:16,129 --> 01:35:13,679
not just because of this issue but of

2367
01:35:17,689 --> 01:35:16,139
many issues where it's very difficult to

2368
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:17,699
determine how we should be interacting

2369
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:19,440
with individuals or groups of

2370
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:21,360
individuals like I said Andy I can't

2371
01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:23,520
talk to the specific issue I I am

2372
01:35:27,470 --> 01:35:25,920
virtually ignorant about it uh but on

2373
01:35:29,209 --> 01:35:27,480
the on the what you might call the

2374
01:35:31,129 --> 01:35:29,219
psychological epistemic issue about

2375
01:35:33,709 --> 01:35:31,139
rationality and Sanity

2376
01:35:35,149 --> 01:35:33,719
that's something that I I think we need

2377
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:35,159
to be talking a lot more about and it's

2378
01:35:39,410 --> 01:35:37,440
something that I do my work is directed

2379
01:35:42,110 --> 01:35:39,420
towards I hope that's at least helpful

2380
01:35:45,050 --> 01:35:42,120
no absolutely as in I think sometimes

2381
01:35:46,610 --> 01:35:45,060
it's nice to hear logic from people that

2382
01:35:49,250 --> 01:35:46,620
are thinking who aren't involved in the

2383
01:35:51,290 --> 01:35:49,260
UFO topic on the UFO topic to give you a

2384
01:35:52,669 --> 01:35:51,300
fresh perspective or at least kind of

2385
01:35:54,169 --> 01:35:52,679
word things in a different way so I

2386
01:35:57,050 --> 01:35:54,179
appreciate that from yourself and from

2387
01:36:00,830 --> 01:35:57,060
Gary cart I have to head off uh but this

2388
01:36:05,090 --> 01:36:00,840
has been great thank you Dan hi uh happy

2389
01:36:10,129 --> 01:36:05,100
holidays yes and months yes uh and I'll

2390
01:36:14,570 --> 01:36:12,050
see well Gary like I want to thank you

2391
01:36:16,850 --> 01:36:14,580
for coming on board Gary Nolan is one of

2392
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:16,860
the names that you think about first

2393
01:36:23,390 --> 01:36:20,159
when you think about hard Research into

2394
01:36:25,729 --> 01:36:23,400
the UFO topic so you're Paving the way

2395
01:36:27,470 --> 01:36:25,739
for further research and I appreciate

2396
01:36:29,629 --> 01:36:27,480
that Gary and I think I speak for

2397
01:36:31,790 --> 01:36:29,639
several hundred people who are watching

2398
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:31,800
I'm not even sure it's 700 several

2399
01:36:37,250 --> 01:36:34,320
hundred six hundred eight hundred one

2400
01:36:39,770 --> 01:36:37,260
thousand now one thousand apparently

2401
01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:39,780
so thank you Gary for coming on happy

2402
01:36:44,990 --> 01:36:42,000
holidays man it's good to see you and

2403
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:45,000
and shut up those dogs

2404
01:36:49,310 --> 01:36:47,280
take take control of those dogs I'm just

2405
01:36:51,770 --> 01:36:49,320
kidding around man we love it we love

2406
01:36:54,590 --> 01:36:51,780
them take care man

2407
01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:54,600
nice meeting you Gary

2408
01:37:01,490 --> 01:36:59,930
I can't quite hear you he said he's

2409
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:01,500
gonna go look up your work he switched

2410
01:37:05,810 --> 01:37:04,080
mics okay let me know what you think of

2411
01:37:08,330 --> 01:37:05,820
what you said was fascinating all right

2412
01:37:11,090 --> 01:37:08,340
bye bye bye bye Andy bye bye Gary have a

2413
01:37:13,310 --> 01:37:11,100
great New Year bye guys now The Real

2414
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:13,320
Party begins it's just us let's take

2415
01:37:19,850 --> 01:37:16,880
these guys out I'm just kidding denied

2416
01:37:21,470 --> 01:37:19,860
okay there we go there's the jockey

2417
01:37:26,090 --> 01:37:21,480
comes back

2418
01:37:28,910 --> 01:37:26,100
so what's up everybody uh hi John uh

2419
01:37:30,890 --> 01:37:28,920
good to meet you I've I followed uh some

2420
01:37:33,410 --> 01:37:30,900
of your podcasts uh they were extremely

2421
01:37:35,090 --> 01:37:33,420
helpful because I was setting up uh sort

2422
01:37:37,310 --> 01:37:35,100
of a group of people here in in Spain

2423
01:37:39,169 --> 01:37:37,320
where it based where we're trying to get

2424
01:37:41,450 --> 01:37:39,179
together different traditions of

2425
01:37:44,090 --> 01:37:41,460
Christianity atheism and different

2426
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:44,100
spiritual traditions and trying to set

2427
01:37:47,629 --> 01:37:46,080
up sort of uh I mean I don't know what

2428
01:37:50,750 --> 01:37:47,639
they would write word in English is but

2429
01:37:54,410 --> 01:37:50,760
something like reflection reflection

2430
01:37:56,629 --> 01:37:54,420
groups and some kind of uh ways of uh

2431
01:37:59,090 --> 01:37:56,639
coming together and just talking life

2432
01:38:01,010 --> 01:37:59,100
and talking so spirituality and I was

2433
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:01,020
wondering right I was wondering if you

2434
01:38:05,870 --> 01:38:04,560
have any insights on I I'm sure you have

2435
01:38:09,110 --> 01:38:05,880
a lot of experience but if you have any

2436
01:38:11,870 --> 01:38:09,120
insights on the phenomenon that a lot of

2437
01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:11,880
practices across different Traditions uh

2438
01:38:17,229 --> 01:38:14,159
kind of converge into similar so

2439
01:38:20,110 --> 01:38:17,239
meditation you know uh praise

2440
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:20,120
yeah yeah

2441
01:38:28,610 --> 01:38:25,920
about not like giving people a set

2442
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:28,620
recipe of practices like do this do this

2443
01:38:34,189 --> 01:38:31,440
do this do this what I do instead is I I

2444
01:38:36,530 --> 01:38:34,199
look for sort of two things I look for

2445
01:38:39,110 --> 01:38:36,540
what I call Design principles what are

2446
01:38:40,729 --> 01:38:39,120
the best ways of like designing an

2447
01:38:43,010 --> 01:38:40,739
Ecology of practices what kind of

2448
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:43,020
features do you want in it uh you want

2449
01:38:47,810 --> 01:38:44,639
important processing you want nested

2450
01:38:49,550 --> 01:38:47,820
opponent processing uh you want a proper

2451
01:38:50,810 --> 01:38:49,560
pedagogical program so things are

2452
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:50,820
introduced in the right order of

2453
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:54,480
operations uh you want layering so it

2454
01:38:57,530 --> 01:38:56,159
can you have practices that appeal to

2455
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:57,540
different kinds of knowing within the

2456
01:39:02,090 --> 01:38:59,520
psyche and coordinate between them so

2457
01:39:04,850 --> 01:39:02,100
those are design principles I look for

2458
01:39:08,570 --> 01:39:04,860
a processing nested opponent processing

2459
01:39:10,910 --> 01:39:08,580
uh pedagogical program and layering so

2460
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:10,920
you want those definitely and then I

2461
01:39:13,970 --> 01:39:12,719
look for domains what are the domains

2462
01:39:17,810 --> 01:39:13,980
that

2463
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:17,820
about

2464
01:39:20,090 --> 01:39:18,480
um

2465
01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:20,100
what spirituality I think of

2466
01:39:25,729 --> 01:39:23,760
spirituality as conforming to deeper

2467
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:25,739
dimensions of reality in order to afford

2468
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:27,600
the cultivation of wisdom where wisdom

2469
01:39:31,250 --> 01:39:28,560
is the

2470
01:39:34,129 --> 01:39:31,260
uh amelioration of foolishness and the

2471
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:34,139
affordance of meaning in life for me

2472
01:39:40,610 --> 01:39:37,679
um so uh you look for domains uh there's

2473
01:39:42,169 --> 01:39:40,620
mindfulness domains obviously uh there

2474
01:39:44,030 --> 01:39:42,179
are movement domains there are nature

2475
01:39:46,370 --> 01:39:44,040
connection domains there are biological

2476
01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:46,380
uh domains

2477
01:39:50,330 --> 01:39:47,040
um

2478
01:39:51,890 --> 01:39:50,340
I tend to argue and not uh and this is

2479
01:39:53,810 --> 01:39:51,900
sort of bridges between being a domain

2480
01:39:56,390 --> 01:39:53,820
and design principle but you want your

2481
01:39:58,010 --> 01:39:56,400
ecology to practice you can do on your

2482
01:40:00,770 --> 01:39:58,020
own or in a small group and then you

2483
01:40:03,169 --> 01:40:00,780
want a dialogical practice for larger

2484
01:40:05,209 --> 01:40:03,179
group collective intelligence that

2485
01:40:06,890 --> 01:40:05,219
serves as sort of your your your you

2486
01:40:09,050 --> 01:40:06,900
know the next Buddha is the saying it

2487
01:40:10,910 --> 01:40:09,060
serves as your Sage to give people

2488
01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:10,920
guidance

2489
01:40:15,050 --> 01:40:12,719
um uh someone wants to know how do you

2490
01:40:18,169 --> 01:40:15,060
explain Buddhism to a Westerner John how

2491
01:40:21,169 --> 01:40:18,179
would I explain Buddhism to a Westerner

2492
01:40:23,390 --> 01:40:21,179
um I would say avoid uh initially

2493
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:23,400
Western versions of Buddhism that have

2494
01:40:27,950 --> 01:40:25,679
been cleaned up and make Buddhism look

2495
01:40:30,290 --> 01:40:27,960
other than it is

2496
01:40:32,689 --> 01:40:30,300
um uh I think Evan Thompson why I'm not

2497
01:40:34,850 --> 01:40:32,699
a Buddhist and even Bachelors after

2498
01:40:37,010 --> 01:40:34,860
Buddhism are very powerful critiques of

2499
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:37,020
Western Buddhism uh Western Buddhism

2500
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:38,639
claiming the Buddhism is more scientific

2501
01:40:43,310 --> 01:40:41,280
which is really a bad argument because

2502
01:40:46,189 --> 01:40:43,320
Western Buddhism has basically removed a

2503
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:46,199
lot of the non-scientific stuff from uh

2504
01:40:51,050 --> 01:40:48,960
you know uh uh Eastern Buddhism if I

2505
01:40:52,250 --> 01:40:51,060
could put it that way and therefore it

2506
01:40:53,810 --> 01:40:52,260
made it look more scientifically

2507
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:53,820
palatable

2508
01:40:59,330 --> 01:40:56,880
um I would explain Buddhism

2509
01:41:01,490 --> 01:40:59,340
um only after somebody has engaged in

2510
01:41:04,990 --> 01:41:01,500
practices for some time

2511
01:41:09,110 --> 01:41:05,000
uh and do the Eightfold Path

2512
01:41:10,970 --> 01:41:09,120
uh and and do it seriously do it as an

2513
01:41:13,970 --> 01:41:10,980
Ecology of practices you want to know

2514
01:41:16,490 --> 01:41:13,980
what Buddhism is go into the existing

2515
01:41:18,649 --> 01:41:16,500
Ecology of practices a full path is a

2516
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:18,659
perfect example by the way what I mean

2517
01:41:22,129 --> 01:41:20,880
by an Ecology of practices it has

2518
01:41:23,990 --> 01:41:22,139
opponent processing there's a

2519
01:41:25,550 --> 01:41:24,000
pedagogical program it has layering

2520
01:41:28,129 --> 01:41:25,560
everything is dynamically

2521
01:41:30,530 --> 01:41:28,139
self-organizing do that for a while and

2522
01:41:34,370 --> 01:41:30,540
then start reading about Buddhism

2523
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:37,010
it's it's like well I make this joke but

2524
01:41:40,729 --> 01:41:38,400
it's like reading the Kamasutra and

2525
01:41:42,169 --> 01:41:40,739
never making love you you won't get it

2526
01:41:45,530 --> 01:41:42,179
you won't understand it you're

2527
01:41:48,770 --> 01:41:45,540
fundamentally misinterpret it

2528
01:41:50,930 --> 01:41:48,780
um and like I say I'm very critical of

2529
01:41:52,910 --> 01:41:50,940
Western Buddhism because of the way it

2530
01:41:56,209 --> 01:41:52,920
misrepresents

2531
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:56,219
um historical Buddhism and the way it

2532
01:41:58,910 --> 01:41:58,080
also tends to reduce why do you think

2533
01:42:02,390 --> 01:41:58,920
that is

2534
01:42:05,629 --> 01:42:02,400
just a few individuals who are

2535
01:42:08,689 --> 01:42:05,639
responsible for this in some movement or

2536
01:42:10,970 --> 01:42:08,699
is there some larger reason uh no I

2537
01:42:13,310 --> 01:42:10,980
think it's it's I I don't I don't think

2538
01:42:16,129 --> 01:42:13,320
they were Sinister I think they were

2539
01:42:19,570 --> 01:42:16,139
responding to very powerful cultural

2540
01:42:22,609 --> 01:42:19,580
imperatives right a market bottom line

2541
01:42:24,890 --> 01:42:22,619
idea like can we simplified get cut to

2542
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:24,900
the chase what's it all about uh how can

2543
01:42:29,149 --> 01:42:26,880
I what's this what's the basic practice

2544
01:42:31,250 --> 01:42:29,159
how can I make this work as simply as

2545
01:42:33,229 --> 01:42:31,260
effectively as possible and you reduce

2546
01:42:35,810 --> 01:42:33,239
all of my let alone Buddhism you reduce

2547
01:42:38,090 --> 01:42:35,820
all the mindfulness to one thing seated

2548
01:42:40,430 --> 01:42:38,100
meditation which is ridiculous I mean

2549
01:42:42,530 --> 01:42:40,440
yeah compared to doing nothing seated

2550
01:42:45,050 --> 01:42:42,540
meditation is great but if you want to

2551
01:42:46,609 --> 01:42:45,060
transform something as Dynamic and

2552
01:42:50,090 --> 01:42:46,619
complex

2553
01:42:52,910 --> 01:42:50,100
as a self within a community of persons

2554
01:42:55,250 --> 01:42:52,920
within a culture now you've got to do

2555
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:55,260
something way more powerful but it's

2556
01:43:01,550 --> 01:42:57,840
easy to Market

2557
01:43:03,410 --> 01:43:01,560
mindfulness for stress reduction so that

2558
01:43:04,729 --> 01:43:03,420
you will be a very contented corporate

2559
01:43:07,550 --> 01:43:04,739
drone

2560
01:43:10,370 --> 01:43:07,560
that's easy to Market and that's easy to

2561
01:43:12,530 --> 01:43:10,380
sell and that's easy to get people to

2562
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:12,540
jump on board because you get immediate

2563
01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:13,920
effects

2564
01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:15,360
stress production will start working

2565
01:43:20,750 --> 01:43:17,520
within eight weeks it does that's what

2566
01:43:22,609 --> 01:43:20,760
it does transforming your character

2567
01:43:23,990 --> 01:43:22,619
bringing about the cultivation of wisdom

2568
01:43:25,490 --> 01:43:24,000
you really think you're going to do that

2569
01:43:27,709 --> 01:43:25,500
in eight weeks could you learn to play a

2570
01:43:30,830 --> 01:43:27,719
musical instrument well in eight weeks a

2571
01:43:34,850 --> 01:43:30,840
martial art in eight weeks come on it's

2572
01:43:39,950 --> 01:43:37,550
sorry it was polemical but I feel very

2573
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:39,960
strongly precisely because I have so

2574
01:43:46,129 --> 01:43:42,480
much value for Buddhism that I dislike

2575
01:43:47,629 --> 01:43:46,139
the way it is often uh being presented

2576
01:43:50,390 --> 01:43:47,639
in the west and like I say I'm in good

2577
01:43:52,189 --> 01:43:50,400
company I know both Stephen Bachelor

2578
01:43:55,129 --> 01:43:52,199
I've had dinner with him talked to him

2579
01:43:56,810 --> 01:43:55,139
at a conference and Evan of course was a

2580
01:43:58,910 --> 01:43:56,820
colleague of mine a friend of mine at

2581
01:44:00,830 --> 01:43:58,920
ufp so I'm in good company with people

2582
01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:00,840
who we're very critical of Western

2583
01:44:04,669 --> 01:44:02,400
Buddhism

2584
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:04,679
okay speaking of good company

2585
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:07,440
Christina Gomez is in the house good to

2586
01:44:13,490 --> 01:44:11,040
meet you Christina hi there everyone

2587
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:13,500
hey Christina and I would like to let

2588
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:15,600
everyone know about strange paradigms

2589
01:44:19,669 --> 01:44:17,280
which is a YouTube channel and I'll put

2590
01:44:20,990 --> 01:44:19,679
the link I'll pin it in the chat as well

2591
01:44:22,910 --> 01:44:21,000
as put it in the description once this

2592
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:22,920
finally gets reposted as well as

2593
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:25,920
Christina has a new YouTube channel I'd

2594
01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:28,800
like you to tell us about it's ambient

2595
01:44:34,250 --> 01:44:31,679
Space Music something akin to that

2596
01:44:35,930 --> 01:44:34,260
correct yes no thank you so much I I

2597
01:44:38,090 --> 01:44:35,940
meant to like take some time off before

2598
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:38,100
and during Christmas like to take a

2599
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:39,600
break from working online and show

2600
01:44:45,050 --> 01:44:41,520
Productions but I ended up just getting

2601
01:44:47,870 --> 01:44:45,060
busier so I started a new ambient music

2602
01:44:51,290 --> 01:44:47,880
channel called Cosmic portals and it's

2603
01:44:54,709 --> 01:44:51,300
really just kept me busy and so like

2604
01:44:57,290 --> 01:44:54,719
it's about it's it's to help people such

2605
01:44:59,570 --> 01:44:57,300
as myself that suffer with insomnia to

2606
01:45:02,990 --> 01:44:59,580
sleep better to relax but also to allow

2607
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:03,000
that imagination to run as well but in a

2608
01:45:08,090 --> 01:45:05,760
very relaxed state but it's something

2609
01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:08,100
that I've really enjoyed doing I love

2610
01:45:11,870 --> 01:45:10,080
making music when I'm not creating four

2611
01:45:15,470 --> 01:45:11,880
shows a week on my channel Christina

2612
01:45:17,530 --> 01:45:15,480
Gomez but um overall it's it's been a

2613
01:45:20,750 --> 01:45:17,540
lot of fun but I do hope to take a break

2614
01:45:22,850 --> 01:45:20,760
maybe during the first week of uh New

2615
01:45:24,350 --> 01:45:22,860
Year's so I'll see how that goes but I'm

2616
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:24,360
not going to hold my breath because well

2617
01:45:29,510 --> 01:45:27,600
you know how that is Kurt uh-huh do you

2618
01:45:31,430 --> 01:45:29,520
find John so for yourself like you you

2619
01:45:33,649 --> 01:45:31,440
had a difficult time taking a break like

2620
01:45:35,330 --> 01:45:33,659
I find that I find that to be the case

2621
01:45:37,609 --> 01:45:35,340
for for myself

2622
01:45:39,770 --> 01:45:37,619
well I'm definitely amazed at this eight

2623
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:39,780
hour show that you're doing today I mean

2624
01:45:43,550 --> 01:45:41,280
you're an absolute trooper I actually

2625
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:43,560
moved my weekly strange news live stream

2626
01:45:49,070 --> 01:45:46,800
which is normally at about 3 P.M PST to

2627
01:45:51,109 --> 01:45:49,080
5 p.m instead in honor of your eight

2628
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:51,119
hour tonanza today because this is

2629
01:45:56,390 --> 01:45:52,560
incredible

2630
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:56,400
yeah thank you thank you man so thank

2631
01:46:02,149 --> 01:46:00,239
you Sam thank you so this man I can't

2632
01:46:03,410 --> 01:46:02,159
wait to show you all this day in the

2633
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:03,420
life we've been filming this day in the

2634
01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:04,800
life of what it's like to work in this

2635
01:46:07,729 --> 01:46:06,000
office which is different than working

2636
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:07,739
from home the whole point of getting

2637
01:46:11,810 --> 01:46:09,360
this place and getting

2638
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:11,820
a video editor here and and Sam here to

2639
01:46:16,970 --> 01:46:14,159
help with virtually every aspect of toe

2640
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:16,980
is to make it less work for myself or so

2641
01:46:20,810 --> 01:46:18,719
work such that I could spend time

2642
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:20,820
researching because I just love to study

2643
01:46:25,010 --> 01:46:23,040
it's like John as an academic like um I

2644
01:46:26,450 --> 01:46:25,020
don't know there's probably you like

2645
01:46:28,010 --> 01:46:26,460
researching more than studying as in

2646
01:46:30,290 --> 01:46:28,020
producing your own work but I just love

2647
01:46:33,169 --> 01:46:30,300
to study I love to learn

2648
01:46:36,649 --> 01:46:33,179
and I've and it's been so much work

2649
01:46:38,750 --> 01:46:36,659
every day if we leave here at 7 pm

2650
01:46:40,250 --> 01:46:38,760
that's like the earliest day we're like

2651
01:46:44,350 --> 01:46:40,260
oh wow that's like that's like leaving

2652
01:46:49,970 --> 01:46:48,169
sorry sorry so that's Sam who's on the

2653
01:46:50,990 --> 01:46:49,980
syndicated this true feeling toward me

2654
01:46:54,590 --> 01:46:51,000
through sound

2655
01:46:56,290 --> 01:46:54,600
he anyway I can't wait to show you all

2656
01:47:00,290 --> 01:46:56,300
that and then this was just

2657
01:47:01,790 --> 01:47:00,300
this well this is just fun anyway John I

2658
01:47:03,229 --> 01:47:01,800
want to know about your relaxing how do

2659
01:47:05,649 --> 01:47:03,239
you relax

2660
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:05,659
I need to know yes

2661
01:47:12,530 --> 01:47:09,119
I mean I do my practices every day every

2662
01:47:14,030 --> 01:47:12,540
morning so they they help me a lot

2663
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:14,040
um I'll do an Ecology of practice I

2664
01:47:19,370 --> 01:47:16,400
practice what I preach if I'm preaching

2665
01:47:21,470 --> 01:47:19,380
that's the right word but Tim uh yeah no

2666
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:21,480
every morning uh an hour an hour and a

2667
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:22,800
half every day

2668
01:47:28,010 --> 01:47:24,960
but that's it yeah what I mean is you

2669
01:47:31,189 --> 01:47:28,020
don't take time out of a year for

2670
01:47:34,370 --> 01:47:31,199
relaxation you take time out of a day

2671
01:47:36,169 --> 01:47:34,380
oh do I uh yeah I tend to I mean I'll

2672
01:47:38,090 --> 01:47:36,179
I'll take some time off and spend it

2673
01:47:41,330 --> 01:47:38,100
with my kids just enjoying their company

2674
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:41,340
or with my beautiful partner uh and her

2675
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:44,159
kids uh but um

2676
01:47:48,830 --> 01:47:47,520
yeah I mean I I I don't I I'm I'm not

2677
01:47:52,310 --> 01:47:48,840
the person to talk to I'm very

2678
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:52,320
privileged I the work I do is play for

2679
01:47:58,669 --> 01:47:56,400
me that's joyous uh I'd be doing uh you

2680
01:48:00,050 --> 01:47:58,679
know if I if I had if I ever became

2681
01:48:02,030 --> 01:48:00,060
independently wealthy I'd probably just

2682
01:48:03,950 --> 01:48:02,040
keep doing everything I was doing uh

2683
01:48:07,790 --> 01:48:03,960
yeah and so

2684
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:07,800
um I mean yeah I get stressors uh but um

2685
01:48:11,930 --> 01:48:10,080
I'm very lucky and I'm very and I'm very

2686
01:48:14,030 --> 01:48:11,940
appreciative of that thought that I get

2687
01:48:15,770 --> 01:48:14,040
to do work that I find valuable a lot of

2688
01:48:17,570 --> 01:48:15,780
people find valuable and I find it

2689
01:48:19,669 --> 01:48:17,580
incredibly meaningful

2690
01:48:23,090 --> 01:48:19,679
so let's go around the room I'm curious

2691
01:48:25,070 --> 01:48:23,100
what would change sorry

2692
01:48:26,810 --> 01:48:25,080
that's okay I was just gonna ask like

2693
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:26,820
earlier we we asked John to explain

2694
01:48:31,070 --> 01:48:28,320
Buddhism and he gave us a really great

2695
01:48:33,709 --> 01:48:31,080
answer and during the ncu John was

2696
01:48:35,390 --> 01:48:33,719
saying about uh how everyone thinks

2697
01:48:37,490 --> 01:48:35,400
meditation is a sit-down kind of thing

2698
01:48:39,290 --> 01:48:37,500
you know for 10 minutes a day and and I

2699
01:48:40,970 --> 01:48:39,300
just wanted you to expand on that John

2700
01:48:44,450 --> 01:48:40,980
and just tell us what you think of

2701
01:48:49,910 --> 01:48:47,330
um so I think I think of mindfulness as

2702
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:49,920
an awareness of mental Framing and I

2703
01:48:54,410 --> 01:48:52,320
always I often use my glasses I've been

2704
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:54,420
told this has become a meme

2705
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:56,400
um as you know this is how I'm framing

2706
01:49:00,649 --> 01:48:58,080
what I'm paying attention to what I'm

2707
01:49:03,169 --> 01:49:00,659
ignoring what I'm focusing on what I'm

2708
01:49:04,669 --> 01:49:03,179
backgrounding what's peripheral and what

2709
01:49:06,410 --> 01:49:04,679
you're doing in meditation is you're

2710
01:49:09,070 --> 01:49:06,420
stepping back and looking at your mental

2711
01:49:14,689 --> 01:49:11,870
so it becomes opaque to you you can look

2712
01:49:16,129 --> 01:49:14,699
at it rather than being unaware of it

2713
01:49:18,890 --> 01:49:16,139
precisely because you're looking through

2714
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:18,900
it by means of it uh and what you can do

2715
01:49:22,070 --> 01:49:20,639
is you can notice patterns on your

2716
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:22,080
mental framing they may be distorting

2717
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:23,760
how you're seeing the world the problem

2718
01:49:29,149 --> 01:49:26,400
is you can't tell if any correction

2719
01:49:31,490 --> 01:49:29,159
you've made any changes you've made are

2720
01:49:34,010 --> 01:49:31,500
actually making a difference until you

2721
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:34,020
do a complimentary practice which is you

2722
01:49:39,050 --> 01:49:36,480
have to put your frames back on and see

2723
01:49:41,390 --> 01:49:39,060
if you can see more clearly and deeply

2724
01:49:42,890 --> 01:49:41,400
into the world that's why most Buddhist

2725
01:49:44,990 --> 01:49:42,900
Traditions have in addition to a

2726
01:49:47,149 --> 01:49:45,000
meditative practice

2727
01:49:49,129 --> 01:49:47,159
they have a contemplative practice where

2728
01:49:51,470 --> 01:49:49,139
you're looking out and seeing if you can

2729
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:51,480
see clearly into the depths of how

2730
01:49:57,229 --> 01:49:53,520
everything is impermanent how everything

2731
01:49:59,870 --> 01:49:57,239
is in interconnected etc etc and you

2732
01:50:02,570 --> 01:49:59,880
have to go back and forth between those

2733
01:50:04,669 --> 01:50:02,580
um in order to enhance your ability to

2734
01:50:07,850 --> 01:50:04,679
be free yourself from distorting frames

2735
01:50:09,890 --> 01:50:07,860
but also afford yourself clarifying

2736
01:50:11,870 --> 01:50:09,900
friends and moving back and forth but

2737
01:50:13,970 --> 01:50:11,880
you don't you you not only want to do

2738
01:50:15,709 --> 01:50:13,980
that in a still fashion

2739
01:50:17,450 --> 01:50:15,719
you want to do it in a moving fashion

2740
01:50:20,689 --> 01:50:17,460
because there's a there's an important

2741
01:50:23,870 --> 01:50:20,699
Loop like the the frontal cortex and

2742
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:23,880
your cerebellum form a loop and you need

2743
01:50:26,689 --> 01:50:25,199
to train that that's why you have

2744
01:50:29,629 --> 01:50:26,699
mindfulness things that have movement

2745
01:50:31,609 --> 01:50:29,639
martial arts tai chichwan uh yoga

2746
01:50:33,530 --> 01:50:31,619
especially if it's flowing yoga you want

2747
01:50:36,890 --> 01:50:33,540
so you want to you want I still practice

2748
01:50:38,990 --> 01:50:36,900
and a moving practice also to constantly

2749
01:50:40,689 --> 01:50:39,000
pull and push on each other and then you

2750
01:50:43,010 --> 01:50:40,699
want to set that

2751
01:50:45,590 --> 01:50:43,020
individual practice of mindfulness

2752
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:45,600
practice into shared mindfulness like

2753
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:47,520
you do in circling or biological

2754
01:50:51,050 --> 01:50:49,440
practices where you're bringing in the

2755
01:50:52,729 --> 01:50:51,060
interpersonal Dimension into your mind

2756
01:50:54,290 --> 01:50:52,739
once you get that sort of

2757
01:50:56,510 --> 01:50:54,300
three-dimensional four-dimensional

2758
01:50:58,850 --> 01:50:56,520
aspect then I would be saying you're

2759
01:51:02,990 --> 01:50:58,860
actually starting to train mindfulness

2760
01:51:05,689 --> 01:51:03,000
in in a well-rounded manner would that

2761
01:51:07,070 --> 01:51:05,699
help is it as an Amsterdam

2762
01:51:08,750 --> 01:51:07,080
yeah that's really interesting answer

2763
01:51:10,550 --> 01:51:08,760
thank you I just think a lot of people

2764
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:10,560
think of meditation exactly like you

2765
01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:12,000
said you know you sit down for 10

2766
01:51:16,609 --> 01:51:14,400
minutes away and just think about

2767
01:51:19,370 --> 01:51:16,619
thinking when actually there's a much

2768
01:51:21,530 --> 01:51:19,380
kind of broader more interesting add to

2769
01:51:22,910 --> 01:51:21,540
it yeah there's a lot going on and you

2770
01:51:25,390 --> 01:51:22,920
want to learn it in a way that's going

2771
01:51:27,890 --> 01:51:25,400
to transfer but you know

2772
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:27,900
the idea about meditation and stress

2773
01:51:33,070 --> 01:51:30,000
reduction is it gives you the idea of

2774
01:51:35,689 --> 01:51:33,080
meditation as a vacation from your life

2775
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:35,699
meditation contemplation move all of

2776
01:51:39,050 --> 01:51:37,199
these things should be in education for

2777
01:51:40,490 --> 01:51:39,060
your life you should be learning them in

2778
01:51:42,350 --> 01:51:40,500
a way that is going to transfer as

2779
01:51:44,209 --> 01:51:42,360
broadly and deeply into areas of your

2780
01:51:46,189 --> 01:51:44,219
life as possible the Buddha actually

2781
01:51:47,810 --> 01:51:46,199
talks about this a lot he warns about

2782
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:47,820
people who meditate to become sort of

2783
01:51:52,189 --> 01:51:49,679
contented like a cabbage

2784
01:51:54,770 --> 01:51:52,199
you don't want to be that contented like

2785
01:51:56,930 --> 01:51:54,780
a cabbage yeah just sort of happy to

2786
01:51:59,330 --> 01:51:56,940
just be

2787
01:52:01,490 --> 01:51:59,340
it's cute

2788
01:52:02,870 --> 01:52:01,500
yeah okay what I was going to ask is I'm

2789
01:52:04,310 --> 01:52:02,880
curious about all of you what would

2790
01:52:05,590 --> 01:52:04,320
change in your life about what you're

2791
01:52:08,270 --> 01:52:05,600
doing here

2792
01:52:10,189 --> 01:52:08,280
your trajectory if you were to be given

2793
01:52:15,070 --> 01:52:10,199
three million dollars right now

2794
01:52:17,930 --> 01:52:17,090
Christina please I want to start with

2795
01:52:21,050 --> 01:52:17,940
you

2796
01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:21,060
well I'm already planning on purchasing

2797
01:52:24,950 --> 01:52:22,800
an RV and traveling the United States

2798
01:52:27,770 --> 01:52:24,960
hitting all the Paranormal and UFO hot

2799
01:52:30,410 --> 01:52:27,780
spots so with that much money it would

2800
01:52:32,870 --> 01:52:30,420
go to a nicer RV and better equipment

2801
01:52:35,629 --> 01:52:32,880
than I could ever imagine but still take

2802
01:52:37,850 --> 01:52:35,639
everyone uh this this audience and all

2803
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:37,860
the other audiences with me on this

2804
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:40,560
journey of looking into the mysteries of

2805
01:52:44,810 --> 01:52:43,199
our universe because with my generation

2806
01:52:46,910 --> 01:52:44,820
I'm a little bit frustrated because

2807
01:52:49,250 --> 01:52:46,920
whether I'm talking to people in the

2808
01:52:51,770 --> 01:52:49,260
University or old friends from school

2809
01:52:54,229 --> 01:52:51,780
they're always with their noses in their

2810
01:52:56,270 --> 01:52:54,239
phones and they aren't looking at their

2811
01:52:58,010 --> 01:52:56,280
phones to learn about our world or the

2812
01:52:59,689 --> 01:52:58,020
mysteries of our universe but they're

2813
01:53:02,350 --> 01:52:59,699
just there to build up their social

2814
01:53:04,910 --> 01:53:02,360
media platforms and being entertained so

2815
01:53:06,709 --> 01:53:04,920
I want to change that and I mean I want

2816
01:53:09,350 --> 01:53:06,719
to do my part in getting this

2817
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:09,360
conversation going and that's what my

2818
01:53:14,149 --> 01:53:11,520
YouTube channel is all about it's a

2819
01:53:16,430 --> 01:53:14,159
journal of my adventures in learning

2820
01:53:18,709 --> 01:53:16,440
about all of these amazing Mysteries and

2821
01:53:22,010 --> 01:53:18,719
looking at the strange world that most

2822
01:53:27,109 --> 01:53:24,709
right Dan Dan I'm curious what would

2823
01:53:30,410 --> 01:53:27,119
change if anything

2824
01:53:32,209 --> 01:53:30,420
uh well I'm sorry sorry that I keep

2825
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:32,219
interrupting you I feel like we have a

2826
01:53:35,930 --> 01:53:33,360
kinship so

2827
01:53:37,609 --> 01:53:35,940
so the Christina where can people go

2828
01:53:39,109 --> 01:53:37,619
this sounds like an ending question but

2829
01:53:41,149 --> 01:53:39,119
you're not being kicked out already but

2830
01:53:43,310 --> 01:53:41,159
where can people go to find out more

2831
01:53:46,010 --> 01:53:43,320
about what you just referenced

2832
01:53:47,870 --> 01:53:46,020
well you can find that on my YouTube

2833
01:53:51,729 --> 01:53:47,880
channel just typing in Christina Gomez

2834
01:53:55,490 --> 01:53:51,739
there is no h in my name so it's just

2835
01:53:58,430 --> 01:53:55,500
c-r-i-s-t-i-n-a and then Gomez g-o-m-e-z

2836
01:54:02,530 --> 01:53:58,440
and also you can check out some of my

2837
01:54:07,370 --> 01:54:02,540
music at Cosmic portals as well

2838
01:54:12,169 --> 01:54:09,350
so yeah I was just gonna say like I love

2839
01:54:14,209 --> 01:54:12,179
Christina's idea and actually I'm

2840
01:54:16,250 --> 01:54:14,219
a few months back off my shackles and

2841
01:54:18,169 --> 01:54:16,260
quit my job and gave him my notes for my

2842
01:54:20,450 --> 01:54:18,179
flat and I'm on my first part of my

2843
01:54:21,649 --> 01:54:20,460
travels I spent Christmas Day at teotu

2844
01:54:22,850 --> 01:54:21,659
account

2845
01:54:24,470 --> 01:54:22,860
um do any kind of similar thing as

2846
01:54:26,510 --> 01:54:24,480
Christina suggested you know going out

2847
01:54:28,370 --> 01:54:26,520
and kind of really seeing these places

2848
01:54:29,689 --> 01:54:28,380
for yourself and trying to internalize

2849
01:54:32,689 --> 01:54:29,699
them and actually appreciate what they

2850
01:54:35,570 --> 01:54:32,699
mean for the world instead of just you

2851
01:54:37,490 --> 01:54:35,580
know scrolling through the latest things

2852
01:54:38,990 --> 01:54:37,500
on your phone

2853
01:54:40,850 --> 01:54:39,000
um and it's been really kind of an

2854
01:54:42,890 --> 01:54:40,860
amazing experience so I would take that

2855
01:54:45,410 --> 01:54:42,900
3 million and kind of invest the travels

2856
01:54:47,030 --> 01:54:45,420
and try and include as many people as

2857
01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:47,040
possible in it

2858
01:54:53,090 --> 01:54:50,159
um and I didn't have to forget but it

2859
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:53,100
would be kind of contribute to something

2860
01:54:58,490 --> 01:54:55,920
like project Galileo or you know a real

2861
01:55:00,729 --> 01:54:58,500
ongoing scientific study of the the UAP

2862
01:55:03,530 --> 01:55:00,739
phenomena

2863
01:55:05,930 --> 01:55:03,540
great great Carlos

2864
01:55:07,790 --> 01:55:05,940
well I think I would just continue

2865
01:55:10,910 --> 01:55:07,800
um and I would donate a big chunk of

2866
01:55:13,490 --> 01:55:10,920
that if not all to to stmf to our

2867
01:55:15,290 --> 01:55:13,500
non-profit and we will probably build an

2868
01:55:17,450 --> 01:55:15,300
Institute with that money try to set up

2869
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:17,460
like an actual research effort that is

2870
01:55:21,590 --> 01:55:19,440
not just trying to get researchers

2871
01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:21,600
together but actually try to fund some

2872
01:55:25,310 --> 01:55:23,760
some research and three million dollars

2873
01:55:28,129 --> 01:55:25,320
are about enough to get the research

2874
01:55:30,649 --> 01:55:28,139
going for a little bit and and so yeah

2875
01:55:32,870 --> 01:55:30,659
so it will go into a physical uh you

2876
01:55:34,910 --> 01:55:32,880
know location probably in beautiful

2877
01:55:37,490 --> 01:55:34,920
Mediterranean landscape like I am right

2878
01:55:39,229 --> 01:55:37,500
now and go for it for some kind of space

2879
01:55:41,810 --> 01:55:39,239
for retreat for intellectual Retreats

2880
01:55:43,729 --> 01:55:41,820
and yeah do great science do uh you know

2881
01:55:46,070 --> 01:55:43,739
this sort of multi-disciplinary across

2882
01:55:47,570 --> 01:55:46,080
boundaries kind of research uh that's

2883
01:55:48,590 --> 01:55:47,580
where the money will go for sure in my

2884
01:55:53,209 --> 01:55:48,600
case

2885
01:55:56,689 --> 01:55:54,950
you gotta get going John but before you

2886
01:55:58,250 --> 01:55:56,699
go if I have three questions I want to

2887
01:56:01,010 --> 01:55:58,260
know what nothing this is what Emptiness

2888
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:01,020
is and in terms of the western sorry in

2889
01:56:04,729 --> 01:56:03,119
terms of disentangling it so disem

2890
01:56:07,189 --> 01:56:04,739
broiling it from the Western notion so

2891
01:56:09,590 --> 01:56:07,199
like where are we misguided in the

2892
01:56:14,030 --> 01:56:09,600
colloquially and then also what are your

2893
01:56:22,070 --> 01:56:15,310
um

2894
01:56:24,890 --> 01:56:22,080
nothingness is best understood as no

2895
01:56:27,890 --> 01:56:24,900
thickness which is the idea that we try

2896
01:56:30,050 --> 01:56:27,900
to think of Ultimate Reality sometimes

2897
01:56:31,790 --> 01:56:30,060
you can think of it as being with a

2898
01:56:33,050 --> 01:56:31,800
large B and we try to think of it the

2899
01:56:34,910 --> 01:56:33,060
way we think of individual beings

2900
01:56:36,050 --> 01:56:34,920
individual things we try to use the same

2901
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:36,060
conceptual

2902
01:56:40,390 --> 01:56:37,760
uh

2903
01:56:43,669 --> 01:56:40,400
format same conceptual vocabulary

2904
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:43,679
theoretical grammar that we use for

2905
01:56:49,070 --> 01:56:46,080
manipulating objects physical things

2906
01:56:52,189 --> 01:56:49,080
physical processes and we try to use

2907
01:56:55,010 --> 01:56:52,199
that uh to think about Ultimate Reality

2908
01:56:57,709 --> 01:56:55,020
per se and the Ultimate Reality is not

2909
01:57:00,050 --> 01:56:57,719
in that category so no thing this it is

2910
01:57:02,530 --> 01:57:00,060
not nothingness in the in the sense of

2911
01:57:05,209 --> 01:57:02,540
privation and an absolute lack

2912
01:57:07,010 --> 01:57:05,219
so there's a nihilistic sense of

2913
01:57:09,229 --> 01:57:07,020
nothingness which is different from a

2914
01:57:11,209 --> 01:57:09,239
superlative sense of no thickness which

2915
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:11,219
is the absolute fullness of Ultimate

2916
01:57:15,410 --> 01:57:13,199
Reality that is the source and

2917
01:57:17,870 --> 01:57:15,420
sustaining ground of all of this which

2918
01:57:20,629 --> 01:57:17,880
is the exact opposite of nihilistic

2919
01:57:23,810 --> 01:57:20,639
nothingness and one of the great

2920
01:57:26,270 --> 01:57:23,820
criticisms that nishitani in religion

2921
01:57:28,189 --> 01:57:26,280
and nothingness actually religion and no

2922
01:57:30,050 --> 01:57:28,199
thickness makes a niche because nature

2923
01:57:32,450 --> 01:57:30,060
didn't get he didn't go deep enough you

2924
01:57:35,629 --> 01:57:32,460
got to the nihilistic nothingness but

2925
01:57:37,490 --> 01:57:35,639
didn't push through uh to you know thing

2926
01:57:38,870 --> 01:57:37,500
this and I think part of the way in

2927
01:57:40,790 --> 01:57:38,880
which which we can address the meeting

2928
01:57:44,030 --> 01:57:40,800
crisis is affording people the ability

2929
01:57:45,649 --> 01:57:44,040
to make that fundamental transformation

2930
01:57:48,970 --> 01:57:45,659
so sorry the way that you're explaining

2931
01:57:53,030 --> 01:57:48,980
it was as if nothing so Contracting

2932
01:57:56,270 --> 01:57:53,040
n-o-t-h-i-n-g is a step toward no thing

2933
01:57:58,430 --> 01:57:56,280
which is no dash thing yes yeah so you

2934
01:58:00,229 --> 01:57:58,440
in both the west and the east in the

2935
01:58:01,790 --> 01:58:00,239
East you have the great doubt of Zen In

2936
01:58:04,189 --> 01:58:01,800
The West you have the dark knighted Soul

2937
01:58:06,770 --> 01:58:04,199
there's a place in which when you

2938
01:58:09,649 --> 01:58:06,780
originally are pulling free from that

2939
01:58:13,209 --> 01:58:09,659
thingy way of thinking about everything

2940
01:58:16,310 --> 01:58:13,219
um you you just experience nothingness

2941
01:58:18,410 --> 01:58:16,320
before you get the emergence of the

2942
01:58:20,390 --> 01:58:18,420
breaking through the Satori dork Brook

2943
01:58:22,510 --> 01:58:20,400
breakthrough as Meister Eckhart called

2944
01:58:25,129 --> 01:58:22,520
of the no thingness

2945
01:58:27,770 --> 01:58:25,139
which is a different thing and so there

2946
01:58:28,910 --> 01:58:27,780
it's like an aspect shift it's like you

2947
01:58:31,790 --> 01:58:28,920
know you've seen those pictures where

2948
01:58:34,609 --> 01:58:31,800
it's like uh evolves and then you flip

2949
01:58:36,530 --> 01:58:34,619
and it's two faces right right it's that

2950
01:58:37,970 --> 01:58:36,540
kind of aspect shift you're not making

2951
01:58:39,109 --> 01:58:37,980
an inferential move because if you try

2952
01:58:40,850 --> 01:58:39,119
to make an inferential move you're

2953
01:58:43,250 --> 01:58:40,860
falling back into the thingy way of

2954
01:58:46,430 --> 01:58:43,260
thinking it's this it's this fundamental

2955
01:58:47,890 --> 01:58:46,440
comprehensive of aspect shift

2956
01:58:50,149 --> 01:58:47,900
that's the best thing

2957
01:58:52,609 --> 01:58:50,159
so many follow-up questions I have John

2958
01:58:53,510 --> 01:58:52,619
but before you go then let's just end

2959
01:58:57,050 --> 01:58:53,520
light

2960
01:58:57,060 --> 01:59:02,149
um I laid them all bear

2961
01:59:06,370 --> 01:59:03,050
um

2962
01:59:16,010 --> 01:59:07,910
yes

2963
01:59:18,770 --> 01:59:16,020
um very diligently follow a Socratic

2964
01:59:20,209 --> 01:59:18,780
path uh Marcus Aurelius I'm in good

2965
01:59:22,070 --> 01:59:20,219
company apparently had a very bad temper

2966
01:59:23,810 --> 01:59:22,080
so I take comfort of the fact that he

2967
01:59:25,669 --> 01:59:23,820
was able to be Marcus Aurelius with a

2968
01:59:28,430 --> 01:59:25,679
very bad temper

2969
01:59:30,050 --> 01:59:28,440
um so yeah I mean that's

2970
01:59:32,810 --> 01:59:30,060
um

2971
01:59:34,669 --> 01:59:32,820
and it's probably related to the fact

2972
01:59:36,169 --> 01:59:34,679
that underneath uh this Persona I'm

2973
01:59:38,209 --> 01:59:36,179
socially phobic

2974
01:59:40,430 --> 01:59:38,219
um because anger is usually a response

2975
01:59:43,070 --> 01:59:40,440
to a feeling of threat

2976
01:59:44,870 --> 01:59:43,080
um so that's probably my worst advice so

2977
01:59:47,330 --> 01:59:44,880
people who know me well and people who

2978
01:59:50,570 --> 01:59:47,340
love me in spite of my advice is I will

2979
01:59:54,290 --> 01:59:50,580
say if you push me too far too long

2980
01:59:56,870 --> 01:59:54,300
um it's not that Vice will sometimes

2981
02:00:00,229 --> 01:59:56,880
appear although I have been told by the

2982
02:00:01,930 --> 02:00:00,239
people who love me that I have made some

2983
02:00:06,530 --> 02:00:01,940
progress towards

2984
02:00:08,290 --> 02:00:06,540
not losing my temper okay

2985
02:00:13,010 --> 02:00:08,300
okay

2986
02:00:14,870 --> 02:00:13,020
disconcerted I'm sorry discombobulated

2987
02:00:16,430 --> 02:00:14,880
and non-plussed when you become angry or

2988
02:00:17,750 --> 02:00:16,440
do you become more quick weighted

2989
02:00:19,910 --> 02:00:17,760
because there are two different types of

2990
02:00:22,430 --> 02:00:19,920
anger that I see in people some that are

2991
02:00:24,950 --> 02:00:22,440
they actually become more on point

2992
02:00:27,290 --> 02:00:24,960
all right others they just lose their

2993
02:00:29,570 --> 02:00:27,300
no I don't think I'm discombobulated I I

2994
02:00:32,149 --> 02:00:29,580
have I have what's called cold anger I

2995
02:00:33,530 --> 02:00:32,159
become very sharp and incisive

2996
02:00:36,169 --> 02:00:33,540
um and

2997
02:00:38,270 --> 02:00:36,179
um can be very become very cutting

2998
02:00:41,030 --> 02:00:38,280
um

2999
02:00:42,169 --> 02:00:41,040
that goes against what I aspire to in my

3000
02:00:46,129 --> 02:00:42,179
life

3001
02:00:47,930 --> 02:00:46,139
um and so trying to properly Channel and

3002
02:00:51,109 --> 02:00:47,940
integrate that energy is an ongoing

3003
02:00:55,430 --> 02:00:53,930
okay John you got to get going yes we'll

3004
02:00:57,229 --> 02:00:55,440
end light next time and I'm sure you'll

3005
02:00:58,970 --> 02:00:57,239
be back on toe

3006
02:01:00,950 --> 02:00:58,980
a couple days from now we're constantly

3007
02:01:03,350 --> 02:01:00,960
seeing each other so

3008
02:01:06,129 --> 02:01:03,360
happy holidays man thank you very much

3009
02:01:09,589 --> 02:01:06,139
and once again everybody January

3010
02:01:11,089 --> 02:01:09,599
nice meeting January 9th after Socrates

3011
02:01:13,370 --> 02:01:11,099
the link is going to be in the

3012
02:01:15,830 --> 02:01:13,380
description and I'm going to highlight

3013
02:01:17,810 --> 02:01:15,840
that as a pinned comment shortly now

3014
02:01:20,589 --> 02:01:17,820
it's just us podcasters Carlos I know

3015
02:01:23,750 --> 02:01:20,599
you got to get going as well

3016
02:01:28,430 --> 02:01:26,149
yes um it was it was a it was a great

3017
02:01:31,669 --> 02:01:28,440
pleasure to be here uh and perhaps I

3018
02:01:34,370 --> 02:01:31,679
could just say a couple words of uh for

3019
02:01:36,350 --> 02:01:34,380
for viewers if they're interested in the

3020
02:01:38,149 --> 02:01:36,360
kind of work that you and I Kurt might

3021
02:01:39,530 --> 02:01:38,159
be involved together at some point down

3022
02:01:41,750 --> 02:01:39,540
the line yep

3023
02:01:43,370 --> 02:01:41,760
um so yes it's a particular project for

3024
02:01:45,709 --> 02:01:43,380
everyone yeah there's a there's a

3025
02:01:48,530 --> 02:01:45,719
project in the shadows uh bringing uh

3026
02:01:51,589 --> 02:01:48,540
yes so uh so yes we we've started this

3027
02:01:53,450 --> 02:01:51,599
society that is trying to break the

3028
02:01:55,550 --> 02:01:53,460
boundaries of traditional disciplines uh

3029
02:01:58,370 --> 02:01:55,560
we began with you know our humble

3030
02:02:00,050 --> 02:01:58,380
beginnings here in in Spain as group of

3031
02:02:01,910 --> 02:02:00,060
students and then we're actually during

3032
02:02:03,890 --> 02:02:01,920
the pandemic we realized let's try and

3033
02:02:05,390 --> 02:02:03,900
uh you know go for the shoot for the

3034
02:02:07,250 --> 02:02:05,400
stars and just try to get all the

3035
02:02:08,990 --> 02:02:07,260
possible most interesting people most

3036
02:02:11,089 --> 02:02:09,000
interesting interesting profiles for

3037
02:02:12,709 --> 02:02:11,099
people in in our conferences which were

3038
02:02:14,270 --> 02:02:12,719
virtual during the pandemic now we're

3039
02:02:15,770 --> 02:02:14,280
trying to transition into more in-person

3040
02:02:17,810 --> 02:02:15,780
hybrids and so on

3041
02:02:20,750 --> 02:02:17,820
um and so the basic goal of the of this

3042
02:02:23,390 --> 02:02:20,760
Society is to to as I say break the

3043
02:02:25,070 --> 02:02:23,400
traditional boundaries but not in a sort

3044
02:02:26,689 --> 02:02:25,080
of methodical way that you just do you

3045
02:02:28,250 --> 02:02:26,699
know just destroying for the sake of

3046
02:02:29,930 --> 02:02:28,260
distraction and just disrupting but we

3047
02:02:31,910 --> 02:02:29,940
go after the fundamental mental

3048
02:02:33,290 --> 02:02:31,920
questions right we try to really go deep

3049
02:02:38,570 --> 02:02:33,300
for instance

3050
02:02:41,030 --> 02:02:38,580
what is the nature of reality in a in a

3051
02:02:44,209 --> 02:02:41,040
in a scientific sense so for example uh

3052
02:02:46,729 --> 02:02:44,219
going down to fundamental physics or uh

3053
02:02:48,770 --> 02:02:46,739
studies of cognitive science studies of

3054
02:02:50,149 --> 02:02:48,780
uh you know complexity science things

3055
02:02:52,790 --> 02:02:50,159
like this that are sort of permeating

3056
02:02:54,470 --> 02:02:52,800
are transversal to many different uh

3057
02:02:56,629 --> 02:02:54,480
many different fields

3058
02:02:57,950 --> 02:02:56,639
um and so the way we've done this so far

3059
02:02:59,810 --> 02:02:57,960
we have a podcast

3060
02:03:04,189 --> 02:02:59,820
um uh you you have a

3061
02:03:05,990 --> 02:03:04,199
links to this I'm sure uh but one way

3062
02:03:08,510 --> 02:03:06,000
will be in the description you can also

3063
02:03:10,250 --> 02:03:08,520
search the semf as one word all capitals

3064
02:03:13,430 --> 02:03:10,260
yes

3065
02:03:14,810 --> 02:03:13,440
um yeah so so basically uh I think the

3066
02:03:16,370 --> 02:03:14,820
best way to understand what we do is to

3067
02:03:18,589 --> 02:03:16,380
check some of the conferences in fact

3068
02:03:20,209 --> 02:03:18,599
Michael Levin was here earlier I was a

3069
02:03:22,669 --> 02:03:20,219
speaker in in the in the in the last

3070
02:03:24,770 --> 02:03:22,679
conference we had we choose a concept A

3071
02:03:27,290 --> 02:03:24,780
Very transversal you know General

3072
02:03:31,490 --> 02:03:27,300
concept like number uh two years ago

3073
02:03:33,830 --> 02:03:31,500
space this year and we try to

3074
02:03:35,990 --> 02:03:33,840
um we don't really ask for particular

3075
02:03:37,729 --> 02:03:36,000
prescriptions on it exactly we try to

3076
02:03:40,609 --> 02:03:37,739
get as many different facets of this

3077
02:03:41,930 --> 02:03:40,619
Crystal and so for remember I think it

3078
02:03:45,350 --> 02:03:41,940
was very very interesting we got

3079
02:03:48,410 --> 02:03:45,360
anything from you know uh psychologists

3080
02:03:50,030 --> 02:03:48,420
uh you know uh anthropologists to

3081
02:03:52,310 --> 02:03:50,040
mathematicians computer scientists

3082
02:03:54,410 --> 02:03:52,320
physicists but even uh we've got some

3083
02:03:56,450 --> 02:03:54,420
contributions from uh plan cognition

3084
02:03:58,430 --> 02:03:56,460
some people were doing uh the study of

3085
02:04:00,169 --> 02:03:58,440
plant remission and sort of intelligence

3086
02:04:02,390 --> 02:04:00,179
intelligent Behavior implants and so on

3087
02:04:04,850 --> 02:04:02,400
and where were mechanisms that were sort

3088
02:04:07,010 --> 02:04:04,860
of counting something in plant physio so

3089
02:04:09,129 --> 02:04:07,020
we have this you know after a week then

3090
02:04:11,629 --> 02:04:09,139
this conference is last you get this

3091
02:04:13,790 --> 02:04:11,639
kaleidoscopic perspective on this

3092
02:04:15,830 --> 02:04:13,800
centralized notion of space or sorry

3093
02:04:17,570 --> 02:04:15,840
number in this particular example and I

3094
02:04:19,850 --> 02:04:17,580
think this is basically what we aspire

3095
02:04:22,310 --> 02:04:19,860
to right we want to really gather

3096
02:04:24,470 --> 02:04:22,320
everyone around deep questions uh you

3097
02:04:26,089 --> 02:04:24,480
know have the space and time to really

3098
02:04:28,310 --> 02:04:26,099
go in the directions kind of breaking

3099
02:04:30,290 --> 02:04:28,320
the Dynamics of the research industry

3100
02:04:31,790 --> 02:04:30,300
that we have that it has has many you

3101
02:04:33,290 --> 02:04:31,800
were asking about vices before they have

3102
02:04:35,089 --> 02:04:33,300
many advices in this industry of

3103
02:04:36,589 --> 02:04:35,099
research it's just you know piecemeal

3104
02:04:38,930 --> 02:04:36,599
paper production this kind of thing is

3105
02:04:40,910 --> 02:04:38,940
very negative for for you know really

3106
02:04:42,649 --> 02:04:40,920
taking the time and exploring all the

3107
02:04:45,589 --> 02:04:42,659
all the other interesting questions that

3108
02:04:47,030 --> 02:04:45,599
maybe don't produce that much uh

3109
02:04:48,470 --> 02:04:47,040
Publications but they're you know

3110
02:04:49,910 --> 02:04:48,480
nonetheless the most interesting ones

3111
02:04:51,649 --> 02:04:49,920
and so that's kind of what we what we

3112
02:04:54,169 --> 02:04:51,659
try to do and we you know we're trying

3113
02:04:56,149 --> 02:04:54,179
to set up meetings in person to do

3114
02:04:58,070 --> 02:04:56,159
retreats to do sort of research Retreats

3115
02:04:59,689 --> 02:04:58,080
intellectual Retreats uh but at the same

3116
02:05:01,250 --> 02:04:59,699
time we also want to keep a sort of a

3117
02:05:03,830 --> 02:05:01,260
constant flow of podcasts and people you

3118
02:05:05,089 --> 02:05:03,840
know invite uh I mean Kurt was there was

3119
02:05:06,649 --> 02:05:05,099
a guest that when we talked about the

3120
02:05:08,030 --> 02:05:06,659
phenomenon of podcasts and what it means

3121
02:05:11,209 --> 02:05:08,040
for scientific communication and the

3122
02:05:13,669 --> 02:05:11,219
future of of uh just knowledge diffusion

3123
02:05:15,649 --> 02:05:13,679
in in society and so on so yeah I

3124
02:05:17,209 --> 02:05:15,659
welcome everyone to I mean it's you know

3125
02:05:18,410 --> 02:05:17,219
we are non-profits so everything is as

3126
02:05:20,390 --> 02:05:18,420
free as possible we try to be as

3127
02:05:22,250 --> 02:05:20,400
approachable as possible there is uh you

3128
02:05:23,629 --> 02:05:22,260
know the name suggests we're just a

3129
02:05:26,330 --> 02:05:23,639
society which is trying to recruit

3130
02:05:28,669 --> 02:05:26,340
people to do common goals right so it's

3131
02:05:31,010 --> 02:05:28,679
it's a pleasure to welcome you if you

3132
02:05:32,330 --> 02:05:31,020
decide to keep some of the links and be

3133
02:05:34,609 --> 02:05:32,340
in the community

3134
02:05:36,950 --> 02:05:34,619
great Carlos thank you so much the links

3135
02:05:40,030 --> 02:05:36,960
will be in the description so goodbye

3136
02:05:43,729 --> 02:05:40,040
goodbye Carlos goodbye it was a pleasure

3137
02:05:45,830 --> 02:05:43,739
good to meet you goodbye

3138
02:05:48,470 --> 02:05:45,840
good meet you

3139
02:05:51,169 --> 02:05:48,480
all right let's talk about UFO so we're

3140
02:05:53,270 --> 02:05:51,179
all podcast is here so so let me ask you

3141
02:05:55,010 --> 02:05:53,280
guys from this year who was your

3142
02:05:58,209 --> 02:05:55,020
favorite person to interview and

3143
02:06:01,129 --> 02:05:58,219
specifically why wasn't it's even great

3144
02:06:03,890 --> 02:06:01,139
okay I'll let Christina go first and

3145
02:06:08,870 --> 02:06:03,900
then you well no Daniel asked you first

3146
02:06:12,770 --> 02:06:11,570
yeah I'll take the hosts the host brain

3147
02:06:15,229 --> 02:06:12,780
I'm gonna mute everyone except you

3148
02:06:18,890 --> 02:06:15,239
Christina I'm sorry

3149
02:06:21,169 --> 02:06:18,900
okay you're on the spot all right the my

3150
02:06:23,510 --> 02:06:21,179
favorite person that I interviewed this

3151
02:06:27,050 --> 02:06:23,520
year on Shifting the Paradigm was

3152
02:06:29,689 --> 02:06:27,060
retired Navajo Ranger John Dover

3153
02:06:31,790 --> 02:06:29,699
um he absolutely blew my mind with the

3154
02:06:34,609 --> 02:06:31,800
research that he did with Skin Walkers

3155
02:06:37,669 --> 02:06:34,619
UFOs and Bigfoot and to keep in mind

3156
02:06:39,530 --> 02:06:37,679
that he has a badge right being a part

3157
02:06:41,930 --> 02:06:39,540
of the police force and not the the

3158
02:06:43,850 --> 02:06:41,940
Navajo Rangers but aside from that one

3159
02:06:46,129 --> 02:06:43,860
it probably had to be the owner of

3160
02:06:48,770 --> 02:06:46,139
Skinwalker Ranch Brandon fugle as well

3161
02:06:50,750 --> 02:06:48,780
that interview also blew my mind there

3162
02:06:53,570 --> 02:06:50,760
were so many burning questions that I

3163
02:06:55,850 --> 02:06:53,580
wanted to ask him that I was given the

3164
02:06:58,609 --> 02:06:55,860
privilege to do so but I think all of my

3165
02:07:01,189 --> 02:06:58,619
guests they have all taught me something

3166
02:07:03,229 --> 02:07:01,199
in this entire year of 2022 so they were

3167
02:07:06,169 --> 02:07:03,239
all fantastic but those two in

3168
02:07:08,089 --> 02:07:06,179
particular I think really stood out in a

3169
02:07:10,850 --> 02:07:08,099
very specific way but I mean the

3170
02:07:13,189 --> 02:07:10,860
interviews um of those who I have

3171
02:07:14,510 --> 02:07:13,199
burning questions for I bring them on

3172
02:07:16,550 --> 02:07:14,520
the show I'm like I have questions for

3173
02:07:19,250 --> 02:07:16,560
you I'm going to speak to you ASAP

3174
02:07:21,229 --> 02:07:19,260
because I think that when we sit on

3175
02:07:23,209 --> 02:07:21,239
those questions for too long either they

3176
02:07:26,149 --> 02:07:23,219
dissipate or they become more of a

3177
02:07:27,890 --> 02:07:26,159
burning question and I think that when

3178
02:07:29,870 --> 02:07:27,900
we have those questions we need to ask

3179
02:07:32,750 --> 02:07:29,880
them right away of course after doing a

3180
02:07:34,070 --> 02:07:32,760
little bit of research beforehand right

3181
02:07:36,589 --> 02:07:34,080
so

3182
02:07:38,870 --> 02:07:36,599
Dan before you answer I want to ask both

3183
02:07:41,149 --> 02:07:38,880
of you all would it be okay if in

3184
02:07:43,669 --> 02:07:41,159
another tab you load up your channels

3185
02:07:46,370 --> 02:07:43,679
just the video section because I would

3186
02:07:47,209 --> 02:07:46,380
love it if you shared your screen just

3187
02:07:48,890 --> 02:07:47,219
to

3188
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:48,900
why don't we go through what the heck

3189
02:07:54,290 --> 02:07:50,880
happened in 2022 there's so much there

3190
02:07:55,550 --> 02:07:54,300
and just say wow like just reminisce so

3191
02:07:57,109 --> 02:07:55,560
Dan if you don't mind pulling that up

3192
02:07:58,550 --> 02:07:57,119
and then getting to your answer and then

3193
02:08:02,990 --> 02:07:58,560
I'll do the same then Christina I'd like

3194
02:08:11,930 --> 02:08:05,870
yeah well I can do that and let me just

3195
02:08:18,649 --> 02:08:13,430
uh should I just share my screen here

3196
02:08:18,659 --> 02:08:22,970
should be able to

3197
02:08:22,980 --> 02:08:30,709
thank you

3198
02:08:41,990 --> 02:08:34,250
okay

3199
02:08:43,729 --> 02:08:42,000
it's difficult for me to think about toe

3200
02:08:45,169 --> 02:08:43,739
and probably it's difficult for you all

3201
02:08:48,290 --> 02:08:45,179
to think about your channel but at least

3202
02:08:50,689 --> 02:08:48,300
for me when I do I I feel like in such

3203
02:08:51,770 --> 02:08:50,699
disbelief I can't believe I get to do

3204
02:08:55,189 --> 02:08:51,780
this

3205
02:08:58,430 --> 02:08:55,199
and it's just it's such a lucky position

3206
02:09:01,970 --> 02:08:58,440
and it's so much fun yeah

3207
02:09:03,410 --> 02:09:01,980
absolutely and you we have a whole bunch

3208
02:09:05,209 --> 02:09:03,420
of audience members here watching us

3209
02:09:06,709 --> 02:09:05,219
today but the truth is all three of us

3210
02:09:09,290 --> 02:09:06,719
here would be doing this even if no one

3211
02:09:11,930 --> 02:09:09,300
was already so it's just so incredible

3212
02:09:13,250 --> 02:09:11,940
that anyone pays attention at all um and

3213
02:09:15,169 --> 02:09:13,260
it's really cool to be on that kind of

3214
02:09:18,950 --> 02:09:15,179
Journey with people

3215
02:09:20,629 --> 02:09:18,960
yeah and thank you all for coming on

3216
02:09:22,790 --> 02:09:20,639
thank you

3217
02:09:24,169 --> 02:09:22,800
it's fun to see you Christina so I don't

3218
02:09:25,669 --> 02:09:24,179
think we met I think we just spoken over

3219
02:09:27,589 --> 02:09:25,679
email a couple times

3220
02:09:29,689 --> 02:09:27,599
that's right but it's an absolute

3221
02:09:31,310 --> 02:09:29,699
pleasure to be here and to speak with so

3222
02:09:33,290 --> 02:09:31,320
many other like-minded people because

3223
02:09:34,910 --> 02:09:33,300
our community is growing every single

3224
02:09:37,310 --> 02:09:34,920
day when I mean our community I mean

3225
02:09:40,070 --> 02:09:37,320
everything related to the strange and

3226
02:09:42,050 --> 02:09:40,080
the Mysterious and science as well so I

3227
02:09:44,209 --> 02:09:42,060
am so grateful to be here with all of

3228
02:09:46,729 --> 02:09:44,219
you

3229
02:09:49,070 --> 02:09:46,739
yeah me too Dan yeah let's go through

3230
02:09:50,570 --> 02:09:49,080
let's start from that's one year ago and

3231
02:09:52,910 --> 02:09:50,580
then you'll move upward correct so which

3232
02:09:55,490 --> 02:09:52,920
one's your first video yeah

3233
02:09:58,129 --> 02:09:55,500
so

3234
02:09:59,990 --> 02:09:58,139
this time last year we were you know the

3235
02:10:02,030 --> 02:10:00,000
the ndaa has passed with the UAP

3236
02:10:04,790 --> 02:10:02,040
language in it uh this time last year we

3237
02:10:07,790 --> 02:10:04,800
had another set of UAP language and

3238
02:10:10,310 --> 02:10:07,800
legislation passing so we were kind of

3239
02:10:12,050 --> 02:10:10,320
this yeah we were we were critiquing

3240
02:10:14,990 --> 02:10:12,060
that legislation kind of talking about

3241
02:10:16,729 --> 02:10:15,000
what it needs to to be more robust

3242
02:10:19,970 --> 02:10:16,739
um and as Leo's gone on as we go through

3243
02:10:23,689 --> 02:10:19,980
kind of the uh you know people like Gary

3244
02:10:25,669 --> 02:10:23,699
talking about essentially how to make it

3245
02:10:28,310 --> 02:10:25,679
a more robust legislation

3246
02:10:30,950 --> 02:10:28,320
um so this lower stuff come in we've had

3247
02:10:33,470 --> 02:10:30,960
the secure system uh for submitting

3248
02:10:36,709 --> 02:10:33,480
information on uh special access

3249
02:10:38,450 --> 02:10:36,719
programs and things like that uh so it's

3250
02:10:39,350 --> 02:10:38,460
been an amazing year kind of seeing that

3251
02:10:42,169 --> 02:10:39,360
develop

3252
02:10:42,910 --> 02:10:42,179
side that we've had people like Simeon

3253
02:10:46,189 --> 02:10:42,920
high

3254
02:10:47,750 --> 02:10:46,199
he does a remote viewing course and kind

3255
02:10:49,310 --> 02:10:47,760
of does a lot of work with crop circles

3256
02:10:51,169 --> 02:10:49,320
and Bowl lighting

3257
02:10:52,850 --> 02:10:51,179
um and this year I was lucky on one of

3258
02:10:54,350 --> 02:10:52,860
his reviewing courses and actually kind

3259
02:10:55,790 --> 02:10:54,360
of experienced that for myself which was

3260
02:10:57,410 --> 02:10:55,800
really interesting

3261
02:10:59,870 --> 02:10:57,420
um and I've taught a few people in my

3262
02:11:02,030 --> 02:10:59,880
life kind of how to use it and what's

3263
02:11:05,030 --> 02:11:02,040
most amazing about it is that not only

3264
02:11:06,770 --> 02:11:05,040
does it work but secondly that

3265
02:11:08,149 --> 02:11:06,780
it brings along with a whole bunch of

3266
02:11:10,729 --> 02:11:08,159
mindfulness kind of skills because

3267
02:11:12,770 --> 02:11:10,739
you're all kind of inquiring in wood to

3268
02:11:15,350 --> 02:11:12,780
find that voice that aids the remote

3269
02:11:19,250 --> 02:11:15,360
viewing so I would say it's a form of

3270
02:11:21,290 --> 02:11:19,260
meditation uh we also in February

3271
02:11:23,870 --> 02:11:21,300
um self and Vinnie Adams from disclosure

3272
02:11:27,649 --> 02:11:23,880
team we went out to Colombia to

3273
02:11:31,370 --> 02:11:27,659
investigate uh a light phenomena a

3274
02:11:33,050 --> 02:11:31,380
mountain uh and they were called the

3275
02:11:34,310 --> 02:11:33,060
dancing lights and we were there for

3276
02:11:36,470 --> 02:11:34,320
about two weeks talking to a lot of

3277
02:11:38,810 --> 02:11:36,480
witnesses and things like that about

3278
02:11:40,189 --> 02:11:38,820
this kind of live laboratory and on the

3279
02:11:43,129 --> 02:11:40,199
very last day we actually got to film

3280
02:11:45,109 --> 02:11:43,139
The Lights as well so not only did we go

3281
02:11:47,629 --> 02:11:45,119
and investigate it we confirmed we're

3282
02:11:49,729 --> 02:11:47,639
there we filmed HD video of it and we're

3283
02:11:50,750 --> 02:11:49,739
going back in I want to say about three

3284
02:11:55,070 --> 02:11:50,760
months

3285
02:11:59,270 --> 02:11:57,530
so the series has been released that's

3286
02:12:01,370 --> 02:11:59,280
on Vimeo

3287
02:12:03,470 --> 02:12:01,380
um it's called phenomenology

3288
02:12:05,570 --> 02:12:03,480
and yeah you can kind of watch out

3289
02:12:07,669 --> 02:12:05,580
translations because even a few times

3290
02:12:09,410 --> 02:12:07,679
during it where we we prove things back

3291
02:12:10,490 --> 02:12:09,420
that we thought were maybe not prosaic

3292
02:12:12,709 --> 02:12:10,500
at the beginning so we're all very

3293
02:12:14,270 --> 02:12:12,719
honest about it and there's a nice big

3294
02:12:15,770 --> 02:12:14,280
people there that some are more

3295
02:12:18,050 --> 02:12:15,780
skeptical some are more practical some

3296
02:12:19,609 --> 02:12:18,060
are a bit more woo like myself and we

3297
02:12:21,649 --> 02:12:19,619
all balance each other out so I think

3298
02:12:23,270 --> 02:12:21,659
it's a really good demonstration of how

3299
02:12:25,850 --> 02:12:23,280
you can invest these things and not take

3300
02:12:27,229 --> 02:12:25,860
it personally you know

3301
02:12:29,510 --> 02:12:27,239
okay let's go through this quick and

3302
02:12:32,149 --> 02:12:29,520
just find your favorite for whatever

3303
02:12:35,450 --> 02:12:32,159
reason podcast of the year

3304
02:12:37,970 --> 02:12:35,460
who or guest of the year

3305
02:12:39,530 --> 02:12:37,980
okay so my my guess is going to be

3306
02:12:41,930 --> 02:12:39,540
Michelle foney

3307
02:12:44,810 --> 02:12:41,940
um she there's a great documentary

3308
02:12:47,270 --> 02:12:44,820
called fathom that's all about her and

3309
02:12:48,530 --> 02:12:47,280
her team working to essentially decode

3310
02:12:50,030 --> 02:12:48,540
whale song

3311
02:12:52,430 --> 02:12:50,040
um and it's really quite a profound

3312
02:12:54,109 --> 02:12:52,440
touching documentary but for me the

3313
02:12:55,850 --> 02:12:54,119
reason that I wanted to talk to her was

3314
02:12:57,050 --> 02:12:55,860
because actually she's one of the people

3315
02:12:59,629 --> 02:12:57,060
the government would send black

3316
02:13:01,189 --> 02:12:59,639
helicopters to get if alien landed

3317
02:13:03,290 --> 02:13:01,199
um to kind of try and understand the

3318
02:13:05,209 --> 02:13:03,300
communicate and translate and it was

3319
02:13:07,189 --> 02:13:05,219
really interesting to hearing her talk

3320
02:13:10,729 --> 02:13:07,199
about

3321
02:13:12,950 --> 02:13:10,739
the the culture of Wales and how they

3322
02:13:16,490 --> 02:13:12,960
interact and how they see the world

3323
02:13:19,129 --> 02:13:16,500
um and there was actually a particular

3324
02:13:20,930 --> 02:13:19,139
they found that all whales make no

3325
02:13:22,189 --> 02:13:20,940
matter what no matter where in the world

3326
02:13:23,689 --> 02:13:22,199
they are

3327
02:13:25,609 --> 02:13:23,699
um and essentially the sound is the

3328
02:13:27,410 --> 02:13:25,619
whale shouting I am and they're not

3329
02:13:29,510 --> 02:13:27,420
defined until another whale kind of

3330
02:13:32,089 --> 02:13:29,520
shouts I am back and I found that quite

3331
02:13:33,770 --> 02:13:32,099
uh profound with a statement there uh so

3332
02:13:36,169 --> 02:13:33,780
yeah that was really moving and I'd very

3333
02:13:38,209 --> 02:13:36,179
much recommend fathom to anyone one of

3334
02:13:39,890 --> 02:13:38,219
these UAP adjacent things

3335
02:13:43,669 --> 02:13:39,900
hmm

3336
02:13:47,030 --> 02:13:43,679
okay let's go through Christina's

3337
02:13:49,609 --> 02:13:47,040
so here is my channel these are videos

3338
02:13:52,010 --> 02:13:49,619
but I also do a lot of live streams as

3339
02:13:54,169 --> 02:13:52,020
well so here the uh my interview videos

3340
02:13:57,589 --> 02:13:54,179
also doing the Paradigm those are

3341
02:14:00,109 --> 02:13:57,599
pre-recorded but then my lives such as

3342
02:14:03,470 --> 02:14:00,119
weekly strange news and Mysteries with

3343
02:14:05,870 --> 02:14:03,480
the history are these ones

3344
02:14:08,030 --> 02:14:05,880
um right here we also do some YouTube

3345
02:14:10,370 --> 02:14:08,040
shorts on the channel as well looking at

3346
02:14:13,609 --> 02:14:10,380
very strange videos and doing some

3347
02:14:16,129 --> 02:14:13,619
reacts to that which is uh absolutely a

3348
02:14:19,609 --> 02:14:16,139
lot of fun as well so there's a lot of

3349
02:14:22,970 --> 02:14:19,619
different content on this channel that I

3350
02:14:24,910 --> 02:14:22,980
think that everyone can enjoy

3351
02:14:28,010 --> 02:14:24,920
foreign

3352
02:14:29,450 --> 02:14:28,020
okay I'll try and

3353
02:14:33,050 --> 02:14:29,460
put on

3354
02:14:36,890 --> 02:14:33,060
mine so it's the present button

3355
02:14:41,330 --> 02:14:36,900
share the screen I will share this one

3356
02:14:43,069 --> 02:14:41,340
nope I will share this tab just a moment

3357
02:14:44,930 --> 02:14:43,079
let's see this

3358
02:14:46,790 --> 02:14:44,940
aha

3359
02:14:52,310 --> 02:14:46,800
okay

3360
02:14:54,709 --> 02:14:52,320
so this is toe for 2022 let's find it

3361
02:14:56,870 --> 02:14:54,719
starting from here which

3362
02:14:58,550 --> 02:14:56,880
said there were new announcements uh

3363
02:15:00,770 --> 02:14:58,560
somewhere here there was a joke changes

3364
02:15:02,209 --> 02:15:00,780
coming right here where I said well you

3365
02:15:04,310 --> 02:15:02,219
can watch this if you want and then

3366
02:15:05,810 --> 02:15:04,320
people took it seriously some people it

3367
02:15:08,689 --> 02:15:05,820
was funny

3368
02:15:10,430 --> 02:15:08,699
I think 2022 starts with this and then

3369
02:15:13,430 --> 02:15:10,440
we had this yoshapak like all of these

3370
02:15:15,530 --> 02:15:13,440
are just bangers so just it's difficult

3371
02:15:17,450 --> 02:15:15,540
to choose one that's my favorite I love

3372
02:15:20,209 --> 02:15:17,460
Carl friston

3373
02:15:22,490 --> 02:15:20,219
loved and loved style oh my gosh of

3374
02:15:26,810 --> 02:15:22,500
course now look at that guy look at him

3375
02:15:33,229 --> 02:15:28,970
he's so endearing he's just he's like an

3376
02:15:38,209 --> 02:15:35,689
Diana pasoka great okay I want to choose

3377
02:15:41,149 --> 02:15:38,219
one let's see

3378
02:15:45,649 --> 02:15:41,159
let's see

3379
02:15:47,930 --> 02:15:45,659
interview is generally the most recent

3380
02:15:50,750 --> 02:15:47,940
one just because that's on my mind so

3381
02:15:52,669 --> 02:15:50,760
even though chat GPT was disappointing

3382
02:15:54,950 --> 02:15:52,679
in certain ways I loved speaking with it

3383
02:15:57,350 --> 02:15:54,960
and so that's that's there but that's

3384
02:16:00,770 --> 02:15:57,360
not a person so that doesn't count

3385
02:16:00,780 --> 02:16:03,669
hmm

3386
02:16:09,790 --> 02:16:06,069
so tough so tough

3387
02:16:13,069 --> 02:16:09,800
it's tough to choose isn't it

3388
02:16:14,750 --> 02:16:13,079
Sam what's yours

3389
02:16:15,709 --> 02:16:14,760
yeah yeah so you just want to putting

3390
02:16:17,750 --> 02:16:15,719
you on the spot I'll say Norman

3391
02:16:20,270 --> 02:16:17,760
wildberger just because Norm is so it's

3392
02:16:21,950 --> 02:16:20,280
a mathematician on whether the real

3393
02:16:23,870 --> 02:16:21,960
numbers are real

3394
02:16:24,709 --> 02:16:23,880
what does it mean for a number to be

3395
02:16:27,649 --> 02:16:24,719
real

3396
02:16:30,530 --> 02:16:27,659
and what's its relationship to

3397
02:16:32,209 --> 02:16:30,540
being able to be computed okay here we

3398
02:16:34,009 --> 02:16:32,219
go on my back was I there the whole time

3399
02:16:36,469 --> 02:16:34,019
you could see me as well or was it just

3400
02:16:37,849 --> 02:16:36,479
the screen yeah yeah you you were on the

3401
02:16:38,870 --> 02:16:37,859
side and you kind of had the screen on a

3402
02:16:41,089 --> 02:16:38,880
separate window

3403
02:16:42,650 --> 02:16:41,099
okay yeah

3404
02:16:44,629 --> 02:16:42,660
so Sam

3405
02:16:48,589 --> 02:16:44,639
which one's yours

3406
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:48,599
yeah nap and call and kill her Nicole

3407
02:16:52,370 --> 02:16:50,880
yeah and by the way both are coming on

3408
02:16:55,969 --> 02:16:52,380
later today so

3409
02:17:01,549 --> 02:16:58,549
yeah okay so

3410
02:17:03,830 --> 02:17:01,559
Dan and Christina I'm curious

3411
02:17:06,830 --> 02:17:03,840
for me

3412
02:17:09,349 --> 02:17:06,840
when I'm doing these podcasts

3413
02:17:10,849 --> 02:17:09,359
I feel like I'm not so I'm myself in a

3414
02:17:11,870 --> 02:17:10,859
certain sense I'll say I'm another

3415
02:17:13,730 --> 02:17:11,880
question I have for you is like what's

3416
02:17:15,349 --> 02:17:13,740
the difference between my podcast self

3417
02:17:17,270 --> 02:17:15,359
and then what I'm like off here but I

3418
02:17:19,549 --> 02:17:17,280
feel like my true self

3419
02:17:21,230 --> 02:17:19,559
is just what I'm like with my wife like

3420
02:17:22,790 --> 02:17:21,240
no one knows

3421
02:17:27,490 --> 02:17:22,800
me

3422
02:17:30,049 --> 02:17:27,500
this this

3423
02:17:31,910 --> 02:17:30,059
I can't even do it it's so embarrassing

3424
02:17:34,129 --> 02:17:31,920
just I don't even speak in full

3425
02:17:36,770 --> 02:17:34,139
sentences that I and it's like cuddly

3426
02:17:39,230 --> 02:17:36,780
and I feel like all of this is just some

3427
02:17:41,990 --> 02:17:39,240
presentation anything that's not that

3428
02:17:45,110 --> 02:17:42,000
that's not just this cuddly

3429
02:17:47,750 --> 02:17:45,120
cute and adoring and endearing and

3430
02:17:49,669 --> 02:17:47,760
devoted and tender Kurt along with my

3431
02:17:52,730 --> 02:17:49,679
wife then it's just I feel like that's

3432
02:17:53,990 --> 02:17:52,740
my true self so I'm curious what's the

3433
02:17:56,089 --> 02:17:54,000
difference between

3434
02:17:57,230 --> 02:17:56,099
the self the one that we see now and

3435
02:18:00,530 --> 02:17:57,240
then what you feel like is your true

3436
02:18:03,770 --> 02:18:00,540
self what do you like all fair

3437
02:18:07,969 --> 02:18:03,780
I'm I myself in my podcasts it is just

3438
02:18:10,549 --> 02:18:07,979
me on my channel but I am I'm burning

3439
02:18:13,009 --> 02:18:10,559
with curiosity I have I have these

3440
02:18:16,190 --> 02:18:13,019
questions trying to talk to my peers at

3441
02:18:17,450 --> 02:18:16,200
College about them as and and about

3442
02:18:19,250 --> 02:18:17,460
these questions it's completely

3443
02:18:21,830 --> 02:18:19,260
pointless attempting to ask them these

3444
02:18:23,629 --> 02:18:21,840
things but for me life is just like one

3445
02:18:25,429 --> 02:18:23,639
big mystery just kind of like the

3446
02:18:27,770 --> 02:18:25,439
questions that you ask on your channel

3447
02:18:30,290 --> 02:18:27,780
Kurt and Dan as well like the big

3448
02:18:33,410 --> 02:18:30,300
questions such as was there a big bang

3449
02:18:35,810 --> 02:18:33,420
and if so what came before it is there

3450
02:18:38,330 --> 02:18:35,820
an all-powerful Creator God are we

3451
02:18:40,490 --> 02:18:38,340
living in some kind of simulation what

3452
02:18:42,410 --> 02:18:40,500
is the source of our Consciousness why

3453
02:18:45,410 --> 02:18:42,420
are we here is there life after death

3454
02:18:47,570 --> 02:18:45,420
are we alone in the universe and have we

3455
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:47,580
been visited by sanction beings from

3456
02:18:52,129 --> 02:18:50,160
other worlds and other dimensions so

3457
02:18:54,650 --> 02:18:52,139
that is the kind of search that I live

3458
02:18:57,230 --> 02:18:54,660
for and I have so many questions

3459
02:18:58,129 --> 02:18:57,240
regarding that Abby hi there how you

3460
02:19:05,810 --> 02:18:58,139
doing

3461
02:19:08,629 --> 02:19:05,820
as a Galileo project is here

3462
02:19:11,929 --> 02:19:08,639
he has he has a book called Interstellar

3463
02:19:14,150 --> 02:19:11,939
and I will be putting links shortly so

3464
02:19:16,009 --> 02:19:14,160
Sam what's the difference between the

3465
02:19:17,810 --> 02:19:16,019
Avi that I'm speaking to right now and

3466
02:19:20,330 --> 02:19:17,820
then what you feel like is your true Avi

3467
02:19:22,370 --> 02:19:20,340
which is off camera you I don't know if

3468
02:19:23,389 --> 02:19:22,380
you feel like it's your true self is due

3469
02:19:24,770 --> 02:19:23,399
with your wife are you with your family

3470
02:19:26,810 --> 02:19:24,780
or is it something else maybe you're out

3471
02:19:30,530 --> 02:19:26,820
in nature you feel like that's you

3472
02:19:31,310 --> 02:19:30,540
well there is no difference and uh by

3473
02:19:36,230 --> 02:19:31,320
the way

3474
02:19:38,690 --> 02:19:36,240
received it from my parents and just

3475
02:19:40,790 --> 02:19:38,700
like buying a car from a dealer you're

3476
02:19:44,509 --> 02:19:40,800
not responsible for the parts that make

3477
02:19:47,089 --> 02:19:44,519
it and uh so I don't feel any special

3478
02:19:49,790 --> 02:19:47,099
connection to what I call myself I mean

3479
02:19:52,490 --> 02:19:49,800
I just carry it around with me it's not

3480
02:19:55,070 --> 02:19:52,500
as if I understand my internal organs

3481
02:19:57,050 --> 02:19:55,080
better than I understand other people's

3482
02:19:59,570 --> 02:19:57,060
organs better

3483
02:20:01,370 --> 02:19:59,580
um and so um all together

3484
02:20:03,830 --> 02:20:01,380
um you know what I'm really curious

3485
02:20:06,590 --> 02:20:03,840
about is the you know the universe the

3486
02:20:08,510 --> 02:20:06,600
reality that we all share and

3487
02:20:10,730 --> 02:20:08,520
um to me that that is a fascinating

3488
02:20:14,150 --> 02:20:10,740
Journey trying to figure it out and you

3489
02:20:16,490 --> 02:20:14,160
know when I will get closer to death and

3490
02:20:18,830 --> 02:20:16,500
that would not frighten me but I was

3491
02:20:22,190 --> 02:20:18,840
asked actually today on a podcast what

3492
02:20:25,550 --> 02:20:22,200
do I want the writing to be on on my

3493
02:20:27,290 --> 02:20:25,560
tune Tombstone and uh I said that's

3494
02:20:29,810 --> 02:20:27,300
something that is not particularly

3495
02:20:32,210 --> 02:20:29,820
important for me because well first of

3496
02:20:35,929 --> 02:20:32,220
all I'm hopeful that every year that

3497
02:20:37,429 --> 02:20:35,939
passes and our lifespan will increase by

3498
02:20:40,250 --> 02:20:37,439
more than a year so that I will live

3499
02:20:42,410 --> 02:20:40,260
forever but if it doesn't happen you

3500
02:20:44,450 --> 02:20:42,420
know I would much rather have an

3501
02:20:47,030 --> 02:20:44,460
artificial intelligence system an AI

3502
02:20:49,849 --> 02:20:47,040
system that sort of follows on my

3503
02:20:52,610 --> 02:20:49,859
guiding principles and carries my flame

3504
02:20:56,750 --> 02:20:52,620
of Consciousness into the future and

3505
02:20:59,990 --> 02:20:56,760
um in a way that will be the same Avi

3506
02:21:01,790 --> 02:21:00,000
but now machine learning and you would

3507
02:21:04,370 --> 02:21:01,800
be able to interact with it and I think

3508
02:21:07,010 --> 02:21:04,380
we are getting to that time where AI

3509
02:21:10,309 --> 02:21:07,020
systems will replace people after they

3510
02:21:12,230 --> 02:21:10,319
die and you know then I would feel much

3511
02:21:14,990 --> 02:21:12,240
better about it because the physical

3512
02:21:18,650 --> 02:21:15,000
death of my body is just like you know a

3513
02:21:20,990 --> 02:21:18,660
car stopping stops working and you just

3514
02:21:23,630 --> 02:21:21,000
put it in a junkyard but if you have a

3515
02:21:29,230 --> 02:21:23,640
newer car that functions better and does

3516
02:21:38,090 --> 02:21:34,330
great great answer Dan so Evan also

3517
02:21:41,990 --> 02:21:38,100
Jackson ask him about anything

3518
02:21:43,910 --> 02:21:42,000
so tonight yes hello guys so this is the

3519
02:21:44,730 --> 02:21:43,920
first time Beckham I'm meeting you isn't

3520
02:21:46,070 --> 02:21:44,740
it

3521
02:21:47,990 --> 02:21:46,080
[Music]

3522
02:21:50,270 --> 02:21:48,000
good evening yeah this is the first time

3523
02:21:54,230 --> 02:21:50,280
that's that's right that's right um I'm

3524
02:21:57,050 --> 02:21:54,240
not a UFO uh I'm not very knowledgeable

3525
02:22:06,370 --> 02:21:57,060
on UFO so I I UFO so I don't know how

3526
02:22:06,380 --> 02:22:10,370
sorry you were in the middle

3527
02:22:14,210 --> 02:22:12,230
oh yeah so I I just sounded really

3528
02:22:16,490 --> 02:22:14,220
curious when everything about transfer

3529
02:22:17,929 --> 02:22:16,500
and his his Consciousness into a new car

3530
02:22:20,630 --> 02:22:17,939
so to speak

3531
02:22:22,910 --> 02:22:20,640
um does that kind of speak to whether

3532
02:22:24,830 --> 02:22:22,920
Abby thinks Consciousness is emergent or

3533
02:22:26,809 --> 02:22:24,840
fundamental to the universe

3534
02:22:29,210 --> 02:22:26,819
yeah I do think that we are just a

3535
02:22:31,550 --> 02:22:29,220
complex machine you see and uh the way

3536
02:22:34,610 --> 02:22:31,560
to prove it is if we construct out of

3537
02:22:37,190 --> 02:22:34,620
silicon computers that would be sentient

3538
02:22:39,050 --> 02:22:37,200
you know that we will have a sentient AI

3539
02:22:41,870 --> 02:22:39,060
hopefully within a decade or maybe

3540
02:22:43,670 --> 02:22:41,880
already in some places

3541
02:22:45,230 --> 02:22:43,680
um you know then it will be clear that

3542
02:22:48,349 --> 02:22:45,240
it's an emergent phenomena if you can't

3543
02:22:50,750 --> 02:22:48,359
tell the difference between uh an AI

3544
02:22:54,590 --> 02:22:50,760
system and a human then there is no

3545
02:22:57,050 --> 02:22:54,600
difference okay because uh you know we

3546
02:23:00,590 --> 02:22:57,060
are complex and obviously we imagine

3547
02:23:03,469 --> 02:23:00,600
that there is something extra but

3548
02:23:05,929 --> 02:23:03,479
um you know I think death of a person

3549
02:23:08,990 --> 02:23:05,939
might be just like unplugging a computer

3550
02:23:12,050 --> 02:23:09,000
from the wall and ultimately when we

3551
02:23:14,809 --> 02:23:12,060
will have sentient AI systems we will

3552
02:23:16,370 --> 02:23:14,819
not be allowed to unplug them from the

3553
02:23:19,190 --> 02:23:16,380
wall just like we are not allowed to

3554
02:23:21,349 --> 02:23:19,200
pull a trigger and kill a person of

3555
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:21,359
course there could be Electric outages

3556
02:23:30,590 --> 02:23:29,150
because there is something I like to say

3557
02:23:32,870 --> 02:23:30,600
about this if

3558
02:23:36,290 --> 02:23:32,880
you please go Jack please jump in please

3559
02:23:38,450 --> 02:23:36,300
yeah it may be stupid but it's uh the

3560
02:23:40,610 --> 02:23:38,460
way I think about this about artificial

3561
02:23:42,950 --> 02:23:40,620
intelligence it's in the end it may look

3562
02:23:44,809 --> 02:23:42,960
like uh sentience that's always the

3563
02:23:46,610 --> 02:23:44,819
question does it rather look like

3564
02:23:49,309 --> 02:23:46,620
sentient so Consciousness or is it

3565
02:23:50,870 --> 02:23:49,319
really conscience but the my main

3566
02:23:53,690 --> 02:23:50,880
problem with artificial intelligence

3567
02:23:57,889 --> 02:23:53,700
being well conscience or not or sentient

3568
02:24:00,830 --> 02:23:57,899
is that sure we do we train artificial

3569
02:24:02,510 --> 02:24:00,840
intelligence to do certain stuff but in

3570
02:24:04,070 --> 02:24:02,520
the end the program is the one who

3571
02:24:05,690 --> 02:24:04,080
selects

3572
02:24:08,870 --> 02:24:05,700
which

3573
02:24:10,550 --> 02:24:08,880
Direction the AI should go in you

3574
02:24:12,950 --> 02:24:10,560
if you're a programmer you have certain

3575
02:24:14,210 --> 02:24:12,960
weights to certain

3576
02:24:18,290 --> 02:24:14,220
um

3577
02:24:20,809 --> 02:24:18,300
endpoints you want to reach so yeah I

3578
02:24:24,170 --> 02:24:20,819
assume that you don't have children

3579
02:24:25,910 --> 02:24:24,180
no right because if you had children you

3580
02:24:28,370 --> 02:24:25,920
would realize that their parents have a

3581
02:24:30,710 --> 02:24:28,380
very important role to play when they

3582
02:24:31,690 --> 02:24:30,720
educate a child as to what the child is

3583
02:24:34,370 --> 02:24:31,700
thinking

3584
02:24:38,270 --> 02:24:34,380
and I don't see any difference between

3585
02:24:42,469 --> 02:24:38,280
educating a child and guiding a very

3586
02:24:44,630 --> 02:24:42,479
sophisticated AI algorithm so that at

3587
02:24:46,370 --> 02:24:44,640
the end of the day you know millions or

3588
02:24:49,309 --> 02:24:46,380
billions of people will not be able to

3589
02:24:52,370 --> 02:24:49,319
tell the difference between them

3590
02:24:54,590 --> 02:24:52,380
chatting with that AI system and them

3591
02:24:57,730 --> 02:24:54,600
chatting with a person now you can

3592
02:25:00,710 --> 02:24:57,740
always think that we are we have a

3593
02:25:02,510 --> 02:25:00,720
superiority but this is just wishful

3594
02:25:04,969 --> 02:25:02,520
thinking if you if nobody can tell the

3595
02:25:06,770 --> 02:25:04,979
difference then there is no difference

3596
02:25:08,389 --> 02:25:06,780
well it's necessary not necessarily

3597
02:25:09,710 --> 02:25:08,399
superiority it's just there's a certain

3598
02:25:13,070 --> 02:25:09,720
thing going on that we don't understand

3599
02:25:15,110 --> 02:25:13,080
and that is that is how we we make these

3600
02:25:17,750 --> 02:25:15,120
value judgments in the first place so we

3601
02:25:20,389 --> 02:25:17,760
can teach an AI to uh approach a certain

3602
02:25:22,309 --> 02:25:20,399
direction we like but we cannot

3603
02:25:24,469 --> 02:25:22,319
necessarily formalize the way we do this

3604
02:25:26,389 --> 02:25:24,479
what I'm telling you is that when you

3605
02:25:29,389 --> 02:25:26,399
educate a kid

3606
02:25:32,090 --> 02:25:29,399
you are also doing the same thing

3607
02:25:34,910 --> 02:25:32,100
yes but the kid already has a propensity

3608
02:25:37,190 --> 02:25:34,920
to uh use that same system that that

3609
02:25:38,870 --> 02:25:37,200
uses values and we don't know exactly

3610
02:25:40,910 --> 02:25:38,880
how that works at least that's that's if

3611
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:40,920
I listen to John for fakey or things

3612
02:25:43,910 --> 02:25:42,720
like that humans are not computers and

3613
02:25:44,950 --> 02:25:43,920
there are there's there are some good

3614
02:25:48,170 --> 02:25:44,960
reasons

3615
02:25:50,270 --> 02:25:48,180
you can wishfully say humans are not

3616
02:25:52,670 --> 02:25:50,280
computer you can wishfully say oh the

3617
02:25:54,950 --> 02:25:52,680
computer is dumb you know it's just a

3618
02:25:57,230 --> 02:25:54,960
machine I'm superior you can say a lot

3619
02:25:59,750 --> 02:25:57,240
of things but as a matter of fact if I

3620
02:26:02,929 --> 02:25:59,760
have the touring test to billions of

3621
02:26:05,030 --> 02:26:02,939
people for decades and nobody can tell

3622
02:26:07,010 --> 02:26:05,040
the difference between a computer and a

3623
02:26:08,690 --> 02:26:07,020
person then to me there is no difference

3624
02:26:10,969 --> 02:26:08,700
now you can talk philosophically about

3625
02:26:12,469 --> 02:26:10,979
differences but if there is no way to

3626
02:26:14,210 --> 02:26:12,479
tell the difference then there is no

3627
02:26:16,190 --> 02:26:14,220
difference that's fair enough that's

3628
02:26:18,590 --> 02:26:16,200
fair enough because I do agree with you

3629
02:26:20,210 --> 02:26:18,600
that that level you know probably in our

3630
02:26:21,410 --> 02:26:20,220
lifetime become a point that that we

3631
02:26:24,349 --> 02:26:21,420
will not be able to tell the difference

3632
02:26:25,910 --> 02:26:24,359
at least through through chat the next

3633
02:26:27,969 --> 02:26:25,920
problem is making a side work that

3634
02:26:30,070 --> 02:26:27,979
actually looks like a human and

3635
02:26:32,750 --> 02:26:30,080
muscles that actually work

3636
02:26:35,090 --> 02:26:32,760
we were talking about Consciousness and

3637
02:26:37,849 --> 02:26:35,100
if you ever I actually had Stephen

3638
02:26:39,530 --> 02:26:37,859
Hawking at my home okay Stephen Hawking

3639
02:26:42,349 --> 02:26:39,540
could not move a muscle

3640
02:26:44,150 --> 02:26:42,359
okay so it's not a matter of being cool

3641
02:26:45,889 --> 02:26:44,160
or not cool I'm just telling you he

3642
02:26:48,830 --> 02:26:45,899
could not move a muscle

3643
02:26:51,849 --> 02:26:48,840
he could not he barely moved his eyebrow

3644
02:26:55,010 --> 02:26:51,859
so then you are telling me that the body

3645
02:26:58,190 --> 02:26:55,020
of Stephen Hawking was actually much

3646
02:27:00,590 --> 02:26:58,200
more than the body of a computer no

3647
02:27:02,870 --> 02:27:00,600
because both of them cannot behave like

3648
02:27:05,090 --> 02:27:02,880
a cyborg I don't need a cyborg in order

3649
02:27:07,490 --> 02:27:05,100
to definitely Stephen Hawking had

3650
02:27:10,309 --> 02:27:07,500
Consciousness nobody doubts yeah yeah I

3651
02:27:13,190 --> 02:27:10,319
agree I agree yeah even had affairs with

3652
02:27:15,889 --> 02:27:13,200
the people with one of the nurses that

3653
02:27:18,170 --> 02:27:15,899
took care of him so obviously he had a

3654
02:27:21,469 --> 02:27:18,180
Consciousness it has nothing to do with

3655
02:27:24,650 --> 02:27:21,479
having a seaborg reproducing our ability

3656
02:27:27,110 --> 02:27:24,660
to run to lift things nothing because he

3657
02:27:30,230 --> 02:27:27,120
didn't lift anything he didn't move he

3658
02:27:33,410 --> 02:27:30,240
couldn't even move the the chicks on his

3659
02:27:37,690 --> 02:27:33,420
face so you would not say that Stephen

3660
02:27:42,290 --> 02:27:39,889
while on the topic of artificial

3661
02:27:44,990 --> 02:27:42,300
intelligence Avi I interviewed back in

3662
02:27:46,550 --> 02:27:45,000
2021 and there was one question that I

3663
02:27:48,650 --> 02:27:46,560
didn't get to ask and I think now's just

3664
02:27:51,230 --> 02:27:48,660
a great moment to ask that and that is

3665
02:27:54,349 --> 02:27:51,240
in your opinion what is the percentage

3666
02:27:57,230 --> 02:27:54,359
estimate like How likely is it that some

3667
02:28:00,290 --> 02:27:57,240
UFOs if not from our world are actually

3668
02:28:02,389 --> 02:28:00,300
piloted by AI rather than biological

3669
02:28:04,670 --> 02:28:02,399
entities can you give us your thoughts

3670
02:28:07,849 --> 02:28:04,680
on this yeah I think it's very likely

3671
02:28:10,370 --> 02:28:07,859
because you see um biological creatures

3672
02:28:13,730 --> 02:28:10,380
were selected by Natural Evolution to

3673
02:28:16,070 --> 02:28:13,740
survive on a rock like the Earth with an

3674
02:28:17,690 --> 02:28:16,080
atmosphere and you know quite balanced

3675
02:28:19,250 --> 02:28:17,700
conditions if you put them in space

3676
02:28:21,590 --> 02:28:19,260
first of all they would not be long

3677
02:28:24,050 --> 02:28:21,600
lived enough to survive the journey it

3678
02:28:25,849 --> 02:28:24,060
takes even for at the speed of light it

3679
02:28:28,309 --> 02:28:25,859
takes tens of thousands of years to

3680
02:28:30,530 --> 02:28:28,319
cross the Milky Way galaxy and if you

3681
02:28:32,929 --> 02:28:30,540
move with the speed of a chemical rocket

3682
02:28:35,349 --> 02:28:32,939
it takes 10

3683
02:28:38,270 --> 02:28:35,359
000 times longer so it takes you know

3684
02:28:40,070 --> 02:28:38,280
half a billion years to cross the Milky

3685
02:28:41,870 --> 02:28:40,080
Way galaxy there is no way a biological

3686
02:28:44,750 --> 02:28:41,880
creature would first of all have the

3687
02:28:46,969 --> 02:28:44,760
patience and second have the ability to

3688
02:28:49,490 --> 02:28:46,979
survive for that long uh in in the

3689
02:28:51,710 --> 02:28:49,500
Hazardous conditions of space so my

3690
02:28:54,530 --> 02:28:51,720
point is it makes much more sense to

3691
02:28:56,450 --> 02:28:54,540
send an AI astronaut once we develop

3692
02:28:58,969 --> 02:28:56,460
those sentient systems that can machine

3693
02:29:01,370 --> 02:28:58,979
learn adapt to new circumstances they

3694
02:29:05,030 --> 02:29:01,380
can be dormant for millions of years so

3695
02:29:07,309 --> 02:29:05,040
if we are thinking about those being the

3696
02:29:09,950 --> 02:29:07,319
um you know Messengers for us into

3697
02:29:12,170 --> 02:29:09,960
Interstellar space other civilizations

3698
02:29:13,990 --> 02:29:12,180
probably reach the same conclusions now

3699
02:29:17,389 --> 02:29:14,000
this could also include biological

3700
02:29:20,090 --> 02:29:17,399
creatures that have augmentation to

3701
02:29:22,730 --> 02:29:20,100
their you know organs and with

3702
02:29:25,309 --> 02:29:22,740
technological gadgets and devices but my

3703
02:29:27,770 --> 02:29:25,319
point is it has to be it cannot be just

3704
02:29:30,650 --> 02:29:27,780
biology it has to be technology that

3705
02:29:33,230 --> 02:29:30,660
accommodates the you know the weaknesses

3706
02:29:35,929 --> 02:29:33,240
of biological systems and and then

3707
02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:35,939
therefore if we find anything in our

3708
02:29:40,790 --> 02:29:37,680
neighborhood I would you know I would

3709
02:29:43,610 --> 02:29:40,800
put my bet on AI systems if they are

3710
02:29:46,370 --> 02:29:43,620
functional and then to figure them out

3711
02:29:48,770 --> 02:29:46,380
may be difficult may not be trivial we

3712
02:29:50,510 --> 02:29:48,780
may need our own AI systems but I

3713
02:29:52,610 --> 02:29:50,520
completely agree with you and I think

3714
02:29:55,610 --> 02:29:52,620
that's most likely for what we might

3715
02:29:57,469 --> 02:29:55,620
find the interesting question is whether

3716
02:30:01,070 --> 02:29:57,479
we are really the first civilization

3717
02:30:03,950 --> 02:30:01,080
that ever existed on Earth or on Mars

3718
02:30:07,550 --> 02:30:03,960
was there a civilization you know a few

3719
02:30:09,170 --> 02:30:07,560
billion years ago and when we say two or

3720
02:30:12,230 --> 02:30:09,180
three billion years ago we're talking

3721
02:30:15,050 --> 02:30:12,240
just about a factor of two uh earlier

3722
02:30:18,410 --> 02:30:15,060
and we are we are 4.6 billion years

3723
02:30:20,750 --> 02:30:18,420
after the Earth was made or after Mars

3724
02:30:22,849 --> 02:30:20,760
were made you know I don't think it's

3725
02:30:26,030 --> 02:30:22,859
out of the question that there was a

3726
02:30:28,849 --> 02:30:26,040
technological civilization when Mars was

3727
02:30:30,770 --> 02:30:28,859
2 billion years old why not a factor of

3728
02:30:34,550 --> 02:30:30,780
two on mars or on Earth

3729
02:30:36,290 --> 02:30:34,560
apparently sorry you said two billion

3730
02:30:37,969 --> 02:30:36,300
years when Mars was 2 billion years old

3731
02:30:39,889 --> 02:30:37,979
do you mean that the civilization may

3732
02:30:40,730 --> 02:30:39,899
have been on mars or on Earth at that

3733
02:30:43,070 --> 02:30:40,740
point

3734
02:30:45,110 --> 02:30:43,080
their place because Mars was

3735
02:30:47,870 --> 02:30:45,120
similar to Earth in fact it had

3736
02:30:50,389 --> 02:30:47,880
habitable conditions before Earth uh

3737
02:30:53,030 --> 02:30:50,399
because it occurred earlier and it's

3738
02:30:55,550 --> 02:30:53,040
possible that um you know simple biology

3739
02:30:57,590 --> 02:30:55,560
started on Mars it's much more likely

3740
02:30:59,630 --> 02:30:57,600
that it started on Mars earlier than on

3741
02:31:01,910 --> 02:30:59,640
Earth because we believe there was

3742
02:31:04,550 --> 02:31:01,920
liquid water over there and all I'm

3743
02:31:07,490 --> 02:31:04,560
saying is if it took 4.6 billion years

3744
02:31:09,770 --> 02:31:07,500
for us to come to the stage it's

3745
02:31:11,990 --> 02:31:09,780
possible that someone else came to the

3746
02:31:15,349 --> 02:31:12,000
stage two and a half billion years ago

3747
02:31:17,150 --> 02:31:15,359
and in that case when Mars became not so

3748
02:31:19,429 --> 02:31:17,160
habitable because if if that

3749
02:31:22,190 --> 02:31:19,439
Civilization realized for example that

3750
02:31:23,990 --> 02:31:22,200
it's about to lose its atmosphere and

3751
02:31:26,090 --> 02:31:24,000
lose all of its liquid water on the

3752
02:31:27,770 --> 02:31:26,100
surface they would ask themselves think

3753
02:31:29,809 --> 02:31:27,780
about it it would enter the political

3754
02:31:32,690 --> 02:31:29,819
discussion on Mars they would ask

3755
02:31:34,610 --> 02:31:32,700
themselves what do we do oh there is

3756
02:31:37,130 --> 02:31:34,620
this planet next to us called the Earth

3757
02:31:40,550 --> 02:31:37,140
and it has no oxygen in the atmosphere

3758
02:31:44,389 --> 02:31:40,560
what should we do terraform Earth maybe

3759
02:31:46,610 --> 02:31:44,399
we should put you know a mask on Mars

3760
02:31:48,230 --> 02:31:46,620
so when when Mars lost its atmosphere

3761
02:31:50,630 --> 02:31:48,240
around the same time somewhere between

3762
02:31:54,290 --> 02:31:50,640
two to two point five billion years ago

3763
02:31:57,349 --> 02:31:54,300
that was exactly the time when there was

3764
02:31:59,210 --> 02:31:57,359
a sudden increase in the oxygen level on

3765
02:32:01,429 --> 02:31:59,220
Earth before that there was not much

3766
02:32:02,230 --> 02:32:01,439
oxygen in the atmosphere around that

3767
02:32:05,570 --> 02:32:02,240
time

3768
02:32:08,330 --> 02:32:05,580
cyanobacteria started to produce huge

3769
02:32:11,750 --> 02:32:08,340
vast amounts of oxygen now of course

3770
02:32:13,929 --> 02:32:11,760
most most scientists think well it may

3771
02:32:16,309 --> 02:32:13,939
have been just a natural

3772
02:32:18,889 --> 02:32:16,319
process that led to that but we don't

3773
02:32:21,410 --> 02:32:18,899
know why the Earth's oxygen level in the

3774
02:32:23,809 --> 02:32:21,420
atmosphere suddenly jumped at around the

3775
02:32:25,730 --> 02:32:23,819
same time when Mars lost its atmosphere

3776
02:32:28,790 --> 02:32:25,740
and I say you know maybe someone

3777
02:32:28,800 --> 02:32:35,330
exam

3778
02:32:41,210 --> 02:32:39,170
it's a great response memories

3779
02:32:43,429 --> 02:32:41,220
sorry what's one of your earliest

3780
02:32:45,230 --> 02:32:43,439
memories and then I keep we keep having

3781
02:32:46,730 --> 02:32:45,240
the same intuition just jumping at the

3782
02:32:49,130 --> 02:32:46,740
same time I apologize man what were you

3783
02:32:49,849 --> 02:32:49,140
gonna say no it's fine

3784
02:32:51,650 --> 02:32:49,859
um

3785
02:32:53,030 --> 02:32:51,660
I I was just gonna say thank you for

3786
02:32:55,690 --> 02:32:53,040
both the question and the answer because

3787
02:32:58,969 --> 02:32:55,700
both were really fascinating

3788
02:33:00,830 --> 02:32:58,979
thank you uh in terms of first memory to

3789
02:33:03,110 --> 02:33:00,840
me the most traumatic memory of my

3790
02:33:05,929 --> 02:33:03,120
childhood I had a wonderful childhood

3791
02:33:08,570 --> 02:33:05,939
you know in in a on a farm but the most

3792
02:33:10,849 --> 02:33:08,580
I mean the the scar that was left by my

3793
02:33:12,950 --> 02:33:10,859
childhood was that when I was sitting at

3794
02:33:14,929 --> 02:33:12,960
the dinner table with a lot of adults in

3795
02:33:17,510 --> 02:33:14,939
the room I would ask a difficult

3796
02:33:19,309 --> 02:33:17,520
question and they would just dismiss the

3797
02:33:21,650 --> 02:33:19,319
question because they didn't know the

3798
02:33:24,889 --> 02:33:21,660
answer and they didn't want to embarrass

3799
02:33:26,450 --> 02:33:24,899
themselves by showing ignorance and to

3800
02:33:28,550 --> 02:33:26,460
me it was obvious that they don't know

3801
02:33:31,250 --> 02:33:28,560
the answer sometimes they would invent

3802
02:33:33,710 --> 02:33:31,260
an answer that made no sense and I

3803
02:33:35,809 --> 02:33:33,720
thought that by becoming a scientist you

3804
02:33:38,270 --> 02:33:35,819
know I will be able to address questions

3805
02:33:40,550 --> 02:33:38,280
you know using the scientific method and

3806
02:33:43,070 --> 02:33:40,560
figure it out myself but what do I find

3807
02:33:44,690 --> 02:33:43,080
in Academia exactly the same phenomena

3808
02:33:47,110 --> 02:33:44,700
people pretending they know the answer

3809
02:33:49,270 --> 02:33:47,120
in advance not

3810
02:33:52,190 --> 02:33:49,280
showing not

3811
02:33:54,230 --> 02:33:52,200
admitting that they are ignorant and you

3812
02:33:56,090 --> 02:33:54,240
know that's about things that do not

3813
02:33:58,190 --> 02:33:56,100
quite line up with what we expect

3814
02:34:01,429 --> 02:33:58,200
including the first interest there are

3815
02:34:06,889 --> 02:34:04,790
welcome Bernardo castrov of Essentia

3816
02:34:08,510 --> 02:34:06,899
Foundation the links will be displayed

3817
02:34:11,570 --> 02:34:08,520
on the screen Choice thank you happy

3818
02:34:13,550 --> 02:34:11,580
holidays good to see you even sound

3819
02:34:16,670 --> 02:34:13,560
effects happy holidays everybody yeah

3820
02:34:18,290 --> 02:34:16,680
thank you you're welcome

3821
02:34:19,550 --> 02:34:18,300
hey Jack sorry about those sounds if you

3822
02:34:23,210 --> 02:34:19,560
keep hearing them that's just this ball

3823
02:34:25,210 --> 02:34:23,220
that I'm sitting on I'm it makes noises

3824
02:34:29,830 --> 02:34:25,220
so what's New Mexico

3825
02:34:35,809 --> 02:34:33,790
pleasure to see you nice to meet you

3826
02:34:36,710 --> 02:34:35,819
Bernardo what's new what's what have you

3827
02:34:41,150 --> 02:34:36,720
been working on what are you looking

3828
02:34:44,510 --> 02:34:41,160
forward to in 20 in 2023 full

3829
02:34:46,550 --> 02:34:44,520
um my holidays are over uh in 2023 my

3830
02:34:49,070 --> 02:34:46,560
diamond has decreed that I have to write

3831
02:34:53,030 --> 02:34:49,080
two books my publisher decreeded that

3832
02:34:54,889 --> 02:34:53,040
too so that's uh that helps so I have to

3833
02:34:56,630 --> 02:34:54,899
get my act together and not only run

3834
02:34:58,790 --> 02:34:56,640
Essentia Foundation but produce

3835
02:35:01,790 --> 02:34:58,800
something of my own again as well I only

3836
02:35:04,670 --> 02:35:01,800
wrote A Few essays this year nothing

3837
02:35:06,349 --> 02:35:04,680
nothing really serious but next year

3838
02:35:09,590 --> 02:35:06,359
I'll get serious

3839
02:35:11,809 --> 02:35:09,600
do two books do another computer one

3840
02:35:14,929 --> 02:35:11,819
computer a year keeps the Mind clear so

3841
02:35:17,150 --> 02:35:14,939
that will go on but I have to do some

3842
02:35:19,610 --> 02:35:17,160
serious writing that's my New Year's

3843
02:35:24,230 --> 02:35:19,620
resolution and my prey

3844
02:35:28,070 --> 02:35:24,240
my my wish to God is that the war ends

3845
02:35:31,309 --> 02:35:28,080
uh so you are religious is that right

3846
02:35:34,670 --> 02:35:31,319
I think I am religious in the original

3847
02:35:36,130 --> 02:35:34,680
sense of really God I care very much

3848
02:35:40,610 --> 02:35:36,140
about being

3849
02:35:42,110 --> 02:35:40,620
connected with something outside time

3850
02:35:44,389 --> 02:35:42,120
um and I think that's very important I

3851
02:35:47,389 --> 02:35:44,399
think it's the greatest loss of Western

3852
02:35:48,710 --> 02:35:47,399
culture since the middle of the 19th

3853
02:35:51,710 --> 02:35:48,720
century or so

3854
02:35:53,510 --> 02:35:51,720
okay you know if we find X in

3855
02:35:56,210 --> 02:35:53,520
extraterrestrial

3856
02:35:58,270 --> 02:35:56,220
kid that is smarter than us it may be an

3857
02:36:01,070 --> 02:35:58,280
approximation to God

3858
02:36:03,710 --> 02:36:01,080
I would I would be very afraid of that

3859
02:36:04,929 --> 02:36:03,720
that we would you know follow this this

3860
02:36:08,510 --> 02:36:04,939
this this this

3861
02:36:11,630 --> 02:36:08,520
alley that leads nowhere saying that we

3862
02:36:15,770 --> 02:36:11,640
sort of replace Divinity with

3863
02:36:18,830 --> 02:36:15,780
a poor alternative a vessel upon which

3864
02:36:22,070 --> 02:36:18,840
we project the numinosity of the Divine

3865
02:36:23,630 --> 02:36:22,080
if you know all I'm saying is religious

3866
02:36:27,650 --> 02:36:23,640
texts talk about

3867
02:36:31,969 --> 02:36:27,660
God creating life creating the universe

3868
02:36:33,950 --> 02:36:31,979
and suppose I bring you an advanced

3869
02:36:36,170 --> 02:36:33,960
scientific civilization that we can

3870
02:36:38,690 --> 02:36:36,180
create life in the laboratory it's not

3871
02:36:40,849 --> 02:36:38,700
completely it's not mediocre it's not

3872
02:36:43,130 --> 02:36:40,859
inferior it creates life in the

3873
02:36:45,770 --> 02:36:43,140
laboratory and it also creates baby

3874
02:36:49,190 --> 02:36:45,780
universes in the laboratory it's exactly

3875
02:36:53,570 --> 02:36:49,200
what you are hoping for it exists but

3876
02:36:55,790 --> 02:36:53,580
it's scientists in a white lab coat that

3877
02:36:58,730 --> 02:36:55,800
are doing this it's not something else

3878
02:37:01,010 --> 02:36:58,740
would that disappoint you completely I

3879
02:37:03,530 --> 02:37:01,020
think that would be literally insane I

3880
02:37:06,170 --> 02:37:03,540
think what you just described is not my

3881
02:37:08,410 --> 02:37:06,180
notion of divinity at all I think this

3882
02:37:11,690 --> 02:37:08,420
is a

3883
02:37:13,610 --> 02:37:11,700
we want God to do other than create a

3884
02:37:17,330 --> 02:37:13,620
whole universe what else I don't see

3885
02:37:20,270 --> 02:37:17,340
Divinity as a personified ego and a kind

3886
02:37:21,950 --> 02:37:20,280
of egoic agency that has power over us

3887
02:37:24,110 --> 02:37:21,960
that's not my notion of divinity we

3888
02:37:26,870 --> 02:37:24,120
didn't talk about ego we just I just

3889
02:37:29,030 --> 02:37:26,880
said what that entity can do so what

3890
02:37:31,570 --> 02:37:29,040
else can it do that you imagine that is

3891
02:37:34,490 --> 02:37:31,580
better than creating a universe

3892
02:37:37,370 --> 02:37:34,500
my notion of divinity has very very

3893
02:37:38,230 --> 02:37:37,380
little to do with power with what it can

3894
02:37:43,090 --> 02:37:38,240
do

3895
02:37:45,770 --> 02:37:43,100
think we will resolve this in a

3896
02:37:49,250 --> 02:37:45,780
15-minute conversation but let the

3897
02:37:51,170 --> 02:37:49,260
record just reflect that my my my notion

3898
02:37:53,929 --> 02:37:51,180
of divinity that thing I want to have a

3899
02:37:56,150 --> 02:37:53,939
relationship with has very very little

3900
02:37:58,250 --> 02:37:56,160
to do with everything we just described

3901
02:38:02,929 --> 02:37:58,260
that that's not Divinity to me that's

3902
02:38:07,010 --> 02:38:05,150
okay by that by that you didn't Define

3903
02:38:13,070 --> 02:38:07,020
it

3904
02:38:15,349 --> 02:38:13,080
is that you define or you see as

3905
02:38:17,150 --> 02:38:15,359
Divinity or you feel as Divinity in a

3906
02:38:19,910 --> 02:38:17,160
couple minutes or is that it's going to

3907
02:38:21,770 --> 02:38:19,920
mislead rather than probably it will I

3908
02:38:24,110 --> 02:38:21,780
would try because uh otherwise people

3909
02:38:26,030 --> 02:38:24,120
would think no he makes these statements

3910
02:38:29,170 --> 02:38:26,040
and then he runs away and refuses to

3911
02:38:31,130 --> 02:38:29,180
Define it so sure sure

3912
02:38:33,650 --> 02:38:31,140
just so you know this whole environment

3913
02:38:35,450 --> 02:38:33,660
was supposed to be one of a of a pub and

3914
02:38:37,490 --> 02:38:35,460
now I feel like this is the one it is

3915
02:38:39,530 --> 02:38:37,500
still a pub after a few drinks and you

3916
02:38:42,170 --> 02:38:39,540
get into the weeds so let's do the

3917
02:38:44,110 --> 02:38:42,180
drinking I'm drinking hydrogen oxide

3918
02:38:46,370 --> 02:38:44,120
here and so

3919
02:38:47,630 --> 02:38:46,380
I just I mean that's what people know in

3920
02:38:49,490 --> 02:38:47,640
case they're thinking that there's some

3921
02:38:51,230 --> 02:38:49,500
some anger here this is just like no

3922
02:38:54,469 --> 02:38:51,240
it's just how academics talk because if

3923
02:38:59,349 --> 02:38:56,870
Divinity to me is not personified it's

3924
02:39:01,730 --> 02:38:59,359
not an agent separate from its creation

3925
02:39:04,370 --> 02:39:01,740
Divinity is something that transcends

3926
02:39:06,590 --> 02:39:04,380
space and time uh Divinity is what

3927
02:39:09,530 --> 02:39:06,600
psychology with this would associate

3928
02:39:12,490 --> 02:39:09,540
with the notion of numinosity the

3929
02:39:15,410 --> 02:39:12,500
numinous Divinity is something that is

3930
02:39:19,429 --> 02:39:15,420
because it's outside time you can't say

3931
02:39:22,550 --> 02:39:19,439
that it's old or young but you skirt it

3932
02:39:25,550 --> 02:39:22,560
you get closer to it if you say

3933
02:39:28,070 --> 02:39:25,560
uh it's what was there before the Big

3934
02:39:30,290 --> 02:39:28,080
Bang it's what is always there it's the

3935
02:39:32,809 --> 02:39:30,300
Fountain Head of

3936
02:39:34,849 --> 02:39:32,819
of existence of the Dynamics of the

3937
02:39:38,450 --> 02:39:34,859
universe it's it's the most foundational

3938
02:39:40,790 --> 02:39:38,460
layer of nature which as most of you

3939
02:39:43,969 --> 02:39:40,800
know in my view it is a field of

3940
02:39:46,370 --> 02:39:43,979
subjectivity divinity is that field of

3941
02:39:48,950 --> 02:39:46,380
subjectivity unencumbered by a

3942
02:39:50,150 --> 02:39:48,960
dissociative process and in that sense

3943
02:39:52,550 --> 02:39:50,160
it is

3944
02:39:55,150 --> 02:39:52,560
um omniscient literally not in the way

3945
02:39:57,770 --> 02:39:55,160
we want to understand it as

3946
02:39:59,450 --> 02:39:57,780
metacognitively uh conscious of

3947
02:40:01,030 --> 02:39:59,460
everything I don't think it is that I

3948
02:40:03,770 --> 02:40:01,040
don't think it's metacognitive at all

3949
02:40:05,990 --> 02:40:03,780
but it's the foundational layer of our

3950
02:40:09,530 --> 02:40:06,000
own being and if you introspect deep

3951
02:40:11,510 --> 02:40:09,540
enough which is almost impossible for

3952
02:40:14,090 --> 02:40:11,520
the vast majority of us certainly for me

3953
02:40:16,130 --> 02:40:14,100
but if I could introspect deep enough

3954
02:40:18,290 --> 02:40:16,140
and peel the onion of my being

3955
02:40:20,630 --> 02:40:18,300
progressively more and more layers more

3956
02:40:23,389 --> 02:40:20,640
and more layers that nothing that would

3957
02:40:25,550 --> 02:40:23,399
be left at the end that nothing that is

3958
02:40:27,710 --> 02:40:25,560
pregnant with everything that is

3959
02:40:30,290 --> 02:40:27,720
divinity

3960
02:40:32,870 --> 02:40:30,300
okay I just wanted to clarify I will not

3961
02:40:34,730 --> 02:40:32,880
dwell much on this but whatever you said

3962
02:40:35,990 --> 02:40:34,740
at the beginning is exactly what I was

3963
02:40:37,849 --> 02:40:36,000
saying it's something that happened

3964
02:40:41,630 --> 02:40:37,859
before the Big Bang it's just a

3965
02:40:44,990 --> 02:40:41,640
scientist in a white lab coat that

3966
02:40:48,349 --> 02:40:45,000
created the Big Bang was before time as

3967
02:40:51,349 --> 02:40:48,359
we Define it in the Big Bang and is the

3968
02:40:54,290 --> 02:40:51,359
source of everything and I just talked

3969
02:40:57,230 --> 02:40:54,300
about it as a scientist in a lab coat

3970
02:41:00,170 --> 02:40:57,240
you talk about it as something that you

3971
02:41:02,270 --> 02:41:00,180
fill your onions on your layers off and

3972
02:41:04,490 --> 02:41:02,280
I you know to me I I don't know what

3973
02:41:06,830 --> 02:41:04,500
that is I don't know what's left of your

3974
02:41:09,050 --> 02:41:06,840
onion layers after you peel them off but

3975
02:41:11,630 --> 02:41:09,060
I'm saying the source of everything we

3976
02:41:14,030 --> 02:41:11,640
have if it created our big bang

3977
02:41:15,950 --> 02:41:14,040
this is a very nice fantasy it's a story

3978
02:41:18,710 --> 02:41:15,960
to tell children you know science isn't

3979
02:41:20,929 --> 02:41:18,720
a lab coat dressed in a white lab coat

3980
02:41:23,750 --> 02:41:20,939
created our universe now cute it's very

3981
02:41:25,969 --> 02:41:23,760
cute but of course the intended meaning

3982
02:41:28,670 --> 02:41:25,979
that I had when I referred to the Big

3983
02:41:30,650 --> 02:41:28,680
Bang was something that existed before

3984
02:41:33,530 --> 02:41:30,660
the beginning of time in other words

3985
02:41:36,170 --> 02:41:33,540
before the Big Bang of the universe of

3986
02:41:38,030 --> 02:41:36,180
your fantasized scientists your super

3987
02:41:40,730 --> 02:41:38,040
powerful transhuman scientist whatever

3988
02:41:43,730 --> 02:41:40,740
whatever that is that was intended

3989
02:41:45,110 --> 02:41:43,740
meaning but look we will talk past each

3990
02:41:47,809 --> 02:41:45,120
other because I know where we are coming

3991
02:41:50,570 --> 02:41:47,819
from I don't know you but your past few

3992
02:41:53,150 --> 02:41:50,580
words already put up you know like an

3993
02:41:55,670 --> 02:41:53,160
outdoor board in front of me announcing

3994
02:41:58,309 --> 02:41:55,680
where you're coming from and I know that

3995
02:42:01,969 --> 02:41:58,319
space very well I spent most of my life

3996
02:42:04,969 --> 02:42:01,979
in that space there is no way I will

3997
02:42:07,010 --> 02:42:04,979
make sense to you in 15 minutes

3998
02:42:09,889 --> 02:42:07,020
this is something we need to spend the

3999
02:42:13,610 --> 02:42:09,899
weekend together and then maybe you will

4000
02:42:17,090 --> 02:42:13,620
have an intuition for why I say what I

4001
02:42:20,450 --> 02:42:17,100
say despite my extremely Western

4002
02:42:22,550 --> 02:42:20,460
rational background with two doctorates

4003
02:42:24,290 --> 02:42:22,560
and having worked at CERN and all that

4004
02:42:25,510 --> 02:42:24,300
stuff

4005
02:42:27,950 --> 02:42:25,520
okay

4006
02:42:30,710 --> 02:42:27,960
I just wanted to remind you of the

4007
02:42:33,050 --> 02:42:30,720
Chicken and the Egg problem you may ask

4008
02:42:35,809 --> 02:42:33,060
what was before the chicken there was an

4009
02:42:39,349 --> 02:42:35,819
egg and what was laying the egg a

4010
02:42:41,330 --> 02:42:39,359
chicken so uh was there something before

4011
02:42:43,610 --> 02:42:41,340
the Chicken and the Egg the answer is

4012
02:42:45,230 --> 02:42:43,620
yes something else that's the true

4013
02:42:47,690 --> 02:42:45,240
answer for what happened on Earth

4014
02:42:50,030 --> 02:42:47,700
because we know that before the Chicken

4015
02:42:53,150 --> 02:42:50,040
and the Egg existed there was something

4016
02:42:55,070 --> 02:42:53,160
else and the same may be true for the

4017
02:42:56,270 --> 02:42:55,080
universe that's all I'm saying

4018
02:42:58,429 --> 02:42:56,280
okay

4019
02:43:00,110 --> 02:42:58,439
all right the theolocution between Avi

4020
02:43:05,270 --> 02:43:00,120
lobe and Bernardo Castro's scheduled

4021
02:43:07,570 --> 02:43:05,280
it's January 8th 2023. five hours long

4022
02:43:11,150 --> 02:43:07,580
so Milestone whilst we're talking about

4023
02:43:14,030 --> 02:43:11,160
definitions can I ask Abby Jack

4024
02:43:15,469 --> 02:43:14,040
Christina could as well I believe we

4025
02:43:18,530 --> 02:43:15,479
were talking about uh Abby you mentioned

4026
02:43:20,690 --> 02:43:18,540
Stephen Hawking and and how his life was

4027
02:43:22,910 --> 02:43:20,700
you know he he couldn't move uh he used

4028
02:43:25,490 --> 02:43:22,920
the computers kind of communicate and

4029
02:43:27,410 --> 02:43:25,500
when we think of Being Human we think of

4030
02:43:29,030 --> 02:43:27,420
a certain type of person you know two

4031
02:43:31,070 --> 02:43:29,040
arms two legs we can talk and that kind

4032
02:43:33,830 --> 02:43:31,080
of thing but obviously Stephen Hawking

4033
02:43:35,809 --> 02:43:33,840
is a human but just is outside of that

4034
02:43:38,809 --> 02:43:35,819
definition so I wanted to ask you all uh

4035
02:43:44,809 --> 02:43:38,819
what what do you guys think it mean be

4036
02:43:49,070 --> 02:43:45,590
um

4037
02:43:52,190 --> 02:43:49,080
well I I if you ask me I would say uh

4038
02:43:55,429 --> 02:43:52,200
being conscious of the reality that that

4039
02:43:59,750 --> 02:43:55,439
we we share uh because many you know at

4040
02:44:02,389 --> 02:43:59,760
least some living things we we don't see

4041
02:44:05,690 --> 02:44:02,399
a Consciousness in them like you know

4042
02:44:09,650 --> 02:44:05,700
plants for example or so of you know

4043
02:44:11,990 --> 02:44:09,660
vegetables so in principle uh you know I

4044
02:44:14,450 --> 02:44:12,000
would say that being conscious is is

4045
02:44:17,270 --> 02:44:14,460
what makes us human it's not so much our

4046
02:44:19,610 --> 02:44:17,280
bodily Parts because people lose limbs

4047
02:44:22,849 --> 02:44:19,620
you know a soldier that goes to work and

4048
02:44:23,809 --> 02:44:22,859
lose a limb uh as long as the soldier is

4049
02:44:26,570 --> 02:44:23,819
alive

4050
02:44:29,990 --> 02:44:26,580
uh the soldier is human

4051
02:44:32,570 --> 02:44:30,000
and then and if you degrade all physical

4052
02:44:34,429 --> 02:44:32,580
abilities you end up in a state similar

4053
02:44:37,070 --> 02:44:34,439
to Stephen Hawking at the end of his

4054
02:44:40,250 --> 02:44:37,080
life but he started from being just like

4055
02:44:44,030 --> 02:44:40,260
any of us as a young kid so it's just

4056
02:44:46,250 --> 02:44:44,040
that his muscles stopped working and you

4057
02:44:49,010 --> 02:44:46,260
know that shows you that if you reduce a

4058
02:44:51,770 --> 02:44:49,020
human what remains is simply the

4059
02:44:54,469 --> 02:44:51,780
Consciousness that's my take on it and

4060
02:44:55,929 --> 02:44:54,479
if we are able to produce AI systems

4061
02:44:59,510 --> 02:44:55,939
that are conscious

4062
02:45:02,929 --> 02:44:59,520
then we got it you know it's basically

4063
02:45:05,990 --> 02:45:02,939
an emergent phenomena that you know

4064
02:45:07,309 --> 02:45:06,000
identifies a very complex system

4065
02:45:09,110 --> 02:45:07,319
um and there are much more primitive

4066
02:45:11,389 --> 02:45:09,120
systems that are alive that are not

4067
02:45:13,849 --> 02:45:11,399
capable of this and so when we talk

4068
02:45:16,309 --> 02:45:13,859
about humans is because they are able to

4069
02:45:18,349 --> 02:45:16,319
understand the reality that they live in

4070
02:45:20,210 --> 02:45:18,359
being conscious that would be my

4071
02:45:22,670 --> 02:45:20,220
definition and of course many people

4072
02:45:28,190 --> 02:45:22,680
would say love you know the fact that we

4073
02:45:34,190 --> 02:45:30,790
Dan who's next what's that

4074
02:45:36,290 --> 02:45:34,200
uh Christina

4075
02:45:37,790 --> 02:45:36,300
okay I'll go next

4076
02:45:40,670 --> 02:45:37,800
um first of all I'm still learning what

4077
02:45:43,969 --> 02:45:40,680
it is uh to be human and I'm searching

4078
02:45:47,389 --> 02:45:43,979
for the answers of like to to what I am

4079
02:45:49,969 --> 02:45:47,399
as a Consciousness so I mean like I

4080
02:45:51,650 --> 02:45:49,979
cannot fathom death being the end of

4081
02:45:54,349 --> 02:45:51,660
Consciousness it doesn't it doesn't make

4082
02:45:56,690 --> 02:45:54,359
sense to me it seems like a huge waste

4083
02:45:59,330 --> 02:45:56,700
right so I believe that there must be

4084
02:46:02,090 --> 02:45:59,340
something more that Consciousness drives

4085
02:46:04,190 --> 02:46:02,100
the body but operates from a higher

4086
02:46:07,730 --> 02:46:04,200
Dimension that that is where it goes

4087
02:46:11,450 --> 02:46:07,740
after bodily death so to be human for me

4088
02:46:13,130 --> 02:46:11,460
is to be compassionate to seek answers

4089
02:46:16,730 --> 02:46:13,140
and the truth and to share it with

4090
02:46:21,650 --> 02:46:16,740
others and to live mindfully with Wonder

4091
02:46:26,510 --> 02:46:24,170
beautiful answer uh Jack would you like

4092
02:46:28,910 --> 02:46:26,520
to answer

4093
02:46:31,969 --> 02:46:28,920
sure I just I never really know what to

4094
02:46:34,730 --> 02:46:31,979
do with questions like these like

4095
02:46:36,950 --> 02:46:34,740
um what it means to be human

4096
02:46:39,590 --> 02:46:36,960
um and the one side you have Avi who

4097
02:46:40,969 --> 02:46:39,600
explains what what it means to be what

4098
02:46:43,910 --> 02:46:40,979
humans are made of and then you have

4099
02:46:45,530 --> 02:46:43,920
Christina asking or explaining what you

4100
02:46:47,270 --> 02:46:45,540
can do with that meaning what it means

4101
02:46:47,990 --> 02:46:47,280
to you personally

4102
02:46:55,809 --> 02:46:48,000
um

4103
02:46:59,870 --> 02:46:58,309
it's like okay you're conscious you're

4104
02:47:01,670 --> 02:46:59,880
conscious being sure but there are more

4105
02:47:03,710 --> 02:47:01,680
conscious beings there my God is

4106
02:47:04,969 --> 02:47:03,720
conscious too so but my computer isn't

4107
02:47:07,190 --> 02:47:04,979
but

4108
02:47:10,190 --> 02:47:07,200
um it all happens in Consciousness and

4109
02:47:13,490 --> 02:47:10,200
what it means for a human

4110
02:47:16,130 --> 02:47:13,500
in contrast to a cat yeah the experience

4111
02:47:17,330 --> 02:47:16,140
but how to give a meaningful answer to

4112
02:47:19,670 --> 02:47:17,340
that what to do with that information

4113
02:47:23,090 --> 02:47:19,680
what what then then I would follow

4114
02:47:27,170 --> 02:47:23,100
Christina and and well

4115
02:47:30,410 --> 02:47:27,180
and despite what Ivy says love uh love

4116
02:47:33,830 --> 02:47:30,420
thy enemy and uh that that that seems to

4117
02:47:36,170 --> 02:47:33,840
be like the the way you want to go when

4118
02:47:37,969 --> 02:47:36,180
it comes to personal meaning to LA to

4119
02:47:40,010 --> 02:47:37,979
what it means to be human so sorry it's

4120
02:47:41,630 --> 02:47:40,020
not a real answer but it's all I can

4121
02:47:44,389 --> 02:47:41,640
give you

4122
02:47:46,610 --> 02:47:44,399
oh I like it positive one uh thank you

4123
02:47:48,250 --> 02:47:46,620
so much um Bernardo what would you say

4124
02:47:51,830 --> 02:47:48,260
to that question

4125
02:47:55,010 --> 02:47:51,840
well we we know what it means to be

4126
02:47:58,010 --> 02:47:55,020
Human by being human right there is a

4127
02:48:00,950 --> 02:47:58,020
sense in which the question

4128
02:48:02,929 --> 02:48:00,960
it doesn't really evoke something that

4129
02:48:04,670 --> 02:48:02,939
isn't already known to us by direct

4130
02:48:06,889 --> 02:48:04,680
acquaintance we're trying to

4131
02:48:09,530 --> 02:48:06,899
conceptualize what we know by direct

4132
02:48:11,090 --> 02:48:09,540
acquaintance I'll try to do that since

4133
02:48:12,590 --> 02:48:11,100
that's the spirit of the question I

4134
02:48:16,250 --> 02:48:12,600
don't think Consciousness is what

4135
02:48:19,370 --> 02:48:16,260
defines us as human there is uh

4136
02:48:22,190 --> 02:48:19,380
you know we can only infer the the

4137
02:48:24,490 --> 02:48:22,200
presence of private conscious in our

4138
02:48:26,889 --> 02:48:24,500
life in other beings Beyond ourselves

4139
02:48:30,410 --> 02:48:26,899
through their behavior

4140
02:48:32,090 --> 02:48:30,420
and there is plenty of Behavioral

4141
02:48:34,250 --> 02:48:32,100
evidence that even single-celled

4142
02:48:37,070 --> 02:48:34,260
organisms have a private conscious in

4143
02:48:40,429 --> 02:48:37,080
their life of their own amoeba build

4144
02:48:42,530 --> 02:48:40,439
little houses out of mud particles from

4145
02:48:44,990 --> 02:48:42,540
the bottom of the puddle where they live

4146
02:48:47,650 --> 02:48:45,000
and they are architected almost like a

4147
02:48:51,790 --> 02:48:47,660
snail Shelley it's a conical house

4148
02:48:55,670 --> 02:48:51,800
paramecium are known to evade danger

4149
02:48:58,309 --> 02:48:55,680
look for food and even have reactions

4150
02:49:00,590 --> 02:48:58,319
akin to fear

4151
02:49:02,870 --> 02:49:00,600
um so I think that's not what

4152
02:49:04,550 --> 02:49:02,880
characterizes our species at all I think

4153
02:49:06,650 --> 02:49:04,560
private conscious in their life is what

4154
02:49:12,230 --> 02:49:06,660
characterizes life

4155
02:49:15,110 --> 02:49:12,240
not um Humanity I think being human is a

4156
02:49:17,450 --> 02:49:15,120
it's a state of mind it's a particular

4157
02:49:19,790 --> 02:49:17,460
configuration of Consciousness with

4158
02:49:23,150 --> 02:49:19,800
certain dispositions

4159
02:49:25,610 --> 02:49:23,160
um that that Define what being human is

4160
02:49:28,190 --> 02:49:25,620
and and even that is not a very sharp

4161
02:49:30,710 --> 02:49:28,200
definition I think because

4162
02:49:33,110 --> 02:49:30,720
you know in the undertals were humans

4163
02:49:35,929 --> 02:49:33,120
too in the sense of being members of the

4164
02:49:38,090 --> 02:49:35,939
genus homo

4165
02:49:40,910 --> 02:49:38,100
um but they were not Homo sapiens

4166
02:49:43,429 --> 02:49:40,920
sapiens uh so do they differ much from

4167
02:49:47,270 --> 02:49:43,439
us I mean I have the Neanderthal genes

4168
02:49:48,530 --> 02:49:47,280
as almost all Europeans

4169
02:49:51,110 --> 02:49:48,540
um so

4170
02:50:02,110 --> 02:49:51,120
now even that even the definition I just

4171
02:50:07,070 --> 02:50:04,730
AVI has a book called Interstellar he

4172
02:50:09,290 --> 02:50:07,080
also has the Galileo project and there's

4173
02:50:11,630 --> 02:50:09,300
also several podcast interviews with Avi

4174
02:50:14,510 --> 02:50:11,640
as you search His Name Across YouTube

4175
02:50:16,610 --> 02:50:14,520
I'm sure you'll find I just I just did I

4176
02:50:18,889 --> 02:50:16,620
just did but he's he's his visit card

4177
02:50:22,010 --> 02:50:18,899
with me was the worst possible dropping

4178
02:50:25,309 --> 02:50:22,020
dropping on me the the alien Gods Theory

4179
02:50:27,110 --> 02:50:25,319
and the first opportunities I know I

4180
02:50:29,690 --> 02:50:27,120
know but it didn't work very well with

4181
02:50:32,389 --> 02:50:29,700
me no but that's fine that's it again

4182
02:50:33,770 --> 02:50:32,399
just imagine we're coming into a bar and

4183
02:50:35,150 --> 02:50:33,780
you hear different conversations and

4184
02:50:37,190 --> 02:50:35,160
they're different Corners nothing's

4185
02:50:39,530 --> 02:50:37,200
going to be ideal or well everything's

4186
02:50:43,550 --> 02:50:39,540
ideal to you idealism but you understand

4187
02:50:46,010 --> 02:50:43,560
what I mean so Dan the the my answer is

4188
02:50:48,830 --> 02:50:46,020
that I don't I don't have many

4189
02:50:49,910 --> 02:50:48,840
I have ill-formed thoughts about it so I

4190
02:50:53,270 --> 02:50:49,920
think if we're to take a rational

4191
02:50:54,950 --> 02:50:53,280
approach we would conclude that it's

4192
02:50:57,110 --> 02:50:54,960
illusory virtually everything would be

4193
02:50:58,610 --> 02:50:57,120
illusory because you take sobriety's

4194
02:51:00,230 --> 02:50:58,620
Paradox and you say well if I remove my

4195
02:51:02,210 --> 02:51:00,240
finger then I'm Still Human but I've

4196
02:51:04,870 --> 02:51:02,220
removed this and and so on the molecules

4197
02:51:07,130 --> 02:51:04,880
change so what's the what's human

4198
02:51:09,650 --> 02:51:07,140
and then you would say well it's nothing

4199
02:51:11,570 --> 02:51:09,660
that you can grasp and there are many

4200
02:51:13,969 --> 02:51:11,580
people across the age who have said

4201
02:51:16,790 --> 02:51:13,979
something similar I forgot one in

4202
02:51:18,889 --> 02:51:16,800
particular maharajan or naharaja

4203
02:51:20,570 --> 02:51:18,899
who said about the Chariots look well

4204
02:51:22,130 --> 02:51:20,580
what makes the Chariots if you take away

4205
02:51:23,450 --> 02:51:22,140
its wheel it's still there and is it the

4206
02:51:25,370 --> 02:51:23,460
horse well if you take away the teeth of

4207
02:51:27,710 --> 02:51:25,380
a horse and so on so I think that

4208
02:51:30,050 --> 02:51:27,720
somehow if you analyze it logically or

4209
02:51:31,849 --> 02:51:30,060
rationally quote unquote that you come

4210
02:51:34,070 --> 02:51:31,859
to the answer of nothing or that it's

4211
02:51:35,809 --> 02:51:34,080
illusory but I don't think I don't think

4212
02:51:37,790 --> 02:51:35,819
that that's where you should stop I

4213
02:51:39,590 --> 02:51:37,800
don't I also don't think that well

4214
02:51:41,690 --> 02:51:39,600
anyway I think some somehow history has

4215
02:51:43,130 --> 02:51:41,700
to do with it okay so this is what I've

4216
02:51:44,210 --> 02:51:43,140
been thinking about recently

4217
02:51:46,190 --> 02:51:44,220
I've been playing around with

4218
02:51:47,570 --> 02:51:46,200
mid-journey which is

4219
02:51:49,849 --> 02:51:47,580
I can spend

4220
02:51:52,730 --> 02:51:49,859
it's talking about an eight hour lesson

4221
02:51:54,710 --> 02:51:52,740
uh eight hours 16 hours yeah generating

4222
02:51:57,230 --> 02:51:54,720
art on mid-journey but then there's

4223
02:52:00,349 --> 02:51:57,240
something soulless about it but what is

4224
02:52:02,809 --> 02:52:00,359
it exactly it it's to me almost

4225
02:52:05,570 --> 02:52:02,819
certainly in every case produces better

4226
02:52:09,050 --> 02:52:05,580
art than the average artist

4227
02:52:10,730 --> 02:52:09,060
okay so I'm saying average as a

4228
02:52:12,769 --> 02:52:10,740
people when they say you can't say that

4229
02:52:14,330 --> 02:52:12,779
but well the average artist is not what

4230
02:52:17,450 --> 02:52:14,340
you see most of the time because you see

4231
02:52:21,050 --> 02:52:17,460
just uh the Pinnacle sure

4232
02:52:24,050 --> 02:52:21,060
okay and I'm including well regardless

4233
02:52:25,670 --> 02:52:24,060
but when I was younger and I would go to

4234
02:52:28,070 --> 02:52:25,680
museums and I would see there's this

4235
02:52:29,690 --> 02:52:28,080
card on the side of a painting I would

4236
02:52:30,830 --> 02:52:29,700
discard the card I wouldn't I don't care

4237
02:52:32,330 --> 02:52:30,840
about the history I don't want to know

4238
02:52:33,650 --> 02:52:32,340
why this person created I don't care

4239
02:52:35,269 --> 02:52:33,660
about who who they are I just want to

4240
02:52:37,670 --> 02:52:35,279
look at the painting and now I'm

4241
02:52:39,469 --> 02:52:37,680
thinking maybe that card was the most

4242
02:52:43,130 --> 02:52:39,479
important part of the art

4243
02:52:44,389 --> 02:52:43,140
that that knowing about the turmoil of

4244
02:52:46,370 --> 02:52:44,399
someone who produced it and what they're

4245
02:52:48,050 --> 02:52:46,380
trying to convey what they think they're

4246
02:52:49,910 --> 02:52:48,060
trying to convey and the the history of

4247
02:52:51,769 --> 02:52:49,920
the place at the time that's a part of

4248
02:52:54,110 --> 02:52:51,779
the art and that's what's missing in the

4249
02:52:56,990 --> 02:52:54,120
AI art you can generate a picture and

4250
02:52:59,630 --> 02:52:57,000
it's fantastic but there's no history of

4251
02:53:02,210 --> 02:52:59,640
why the AI is creating it the the

4252
02:53:04,309 --> 02:53:02,220
government it's fighting the the

4253
02:53:05,929 --> 02:53:04,319
personal issues it's trying to work out

4254
02:53:08,030 --> 02:53:05,939
you don't get a sense of that it may be

4255
02:53:09,950 --> 02:53:08,040
there and if it's there I would enjoy

4256
02:53:11,330 --> 02:53:09,960
the art more if I knew about that if I

4257
02:53:13,610 --> 02:53:11,340
could even comprehend what the heck the

4258
02:53:15,889 --> 02:53:13,620
AI was trying to express so then I

4259
02:53:17,510 --> 02:53:15,899
wonder if there's something about the

4260
02:53:19,550 --> 02:53:17,520
way that we got here that makes us not

4261
02:53:22,550 --> 02:53:19,560
only human but certain experiences more

4262
02:53:25,070 --> 02:53:22,560
real so for instance if you put on a

4263
02:53:27,050 --> 02:53:25,080
a VR helmet and you were to you were

4264
02:53:28,370 --> 02:53:27,060
able to go to the Grand Canyon to think

4265
02:53:30,110 --> 02:53:28,380
there's this thought experiment like is

4266
02:53:32,450 --> 02:53:30,120
it different what's different about it

4267
02:53:34,370 --> 02:53:32,460
if if like imagine 20 years in the

4268
02:53:36,050 --> 02:53:34,380
future when every pixel you cannot tell

4269
02:53:37,910 --> 02:53:36,060
the difference and they have wind and

4270
02:53:39,950 --> 02:53:37,920
sound and warmth

4271
02:53:42,769 --> 02:53:39,960
well what's different is that you put on

4272
02:53:44,450 --> 02:53:42,779
a VR headset rather than going there's

4273
02:53:45,950 --> 02:53:44,460
something that's different about the

4274
02:53:47,570 --> 02:53:45,960
path that you take to get there so

4275
02:53:49,490 --> 02:53:47,580
something about path dependence which is

4276
02:53:51,230 --> 02:53:49,500
a concept in physics by the way so

4277
02:53:53,450 --> 02:53:51,240
there's something that is not just about

4278
02:53:55,370 --> 02:53:53,460
the state but how you got to the states

4279
02:53:57,410 --> 02:53:55,380
as well that's important so I think

4280
02:53:59,150 --> 02:53:57,420
that's important about that's a that's

4281
02:54:01,940 --> 02:53:59,160
an important factor that makes us human

4282
02:54:06,010 --> 02:54:01,950
but I don't know how to articulate that

4283
02:54:06,020 --> 02:54:15,050
hello Tony hello hello

4284
02:54:20,590 --> 02:54:17,330
meet Bernardo meet Dan meet Christina

4285
02:54:22,730 --> 02:54:20,600
meet Jack if you haven't already

4286
02:54:25,250 --> 02:54:22,740
some backup

4287
02:54:26,809 --> 02:54:25,260
so Bernardo I'm I'm sorry Tony like

4288
02:54:28,790 --> 02:54:26,819
because I just got you just came into

4289
02:54:30,710 --> 02:54:28,800
the middle of a fairly deep conversation

4290
02:54:33,250 --> 02:54:30,720
like one of the deepest what what does

4291
02:54:36,769 --> 02:54:33,260
it mean to be human

4292
02:54:38,150 --> 02:54:36,779
okay Bernardo what's correct in your

4293
02:54:41,389 --> 02:54:38,160
estimation and what's incorrect about

4294
02:54:45,710 --> 02:54:43,190
I think

4295
02:54:48,469 --> 02:54:45,720
um associating

4296
02:54:52,490 --> 02:54:48,479
context a life context

4297
02:54:54,710 --> 02:54:52,500
to to humanity is perfectly appropriate

4298
02:54:58,309 --> 02:54:54,720
I think

4299
02:55:01,370 --> 02:54:58,319
you know while we are alive we are state

4300
02:55:06,170 --> 02:55:01,380
of mind I think that would be my my sort

4301
02:55:08,090 --> 02:55:06,180
of objective hard-nosed answer but uh is

4302
02:55:11,269 --> 02:55:08,100
schopenhauer human

4303
02:55:13,190 --> 02:55:11,279
of course but he's not alive he's not a

4304
02:55:16,490 --> 02:55:13,200
state of mind that's currently out there

4305
02:55:18,889 --> 02:55:16,500
what is the humanity of schopenhauer it

4306
02:55:21,530 --> 02:55:18,899
is his journey as a human it is the

4307
02:55:24,349 --> 02:55:21,540
context of his production as a

4308
02:55:26,389 --> 02:55:24,359
philosopher his life context uh it's

4309
02:55:29,330 --> 02:55:26,399
it's it's it would be so easy to dismiss

4310
02:55:32,630 --> 02:55:29,340
schopenhauer as a misogynist because he

4311
02:55:37,010 --> 02:55:32,640
was one if we uh

4312
02:55:42,110 --> 02:55:37,020
ignore his life's context the fact that

4313
02:55:43,790 --> 02:55:42,120
he was reject and and by his mother very

4314
02:55:45,830 --> 02:55:43,800
early and was basically thrown out of

4315
02:55:48,290 --> 02:55:45,840
the house by his mother after his father

4316
02:55:52,070 --> 02:55:48,300
was already dead

4317
02:55:56,630 --> 02:55:52,080
um so yes Humanity the humanity that

4318
02:55:59,450 --> 02:55:56,640
survives us as humans is the humanity of

4319
02:56:01,190 --> 02:55:59,460
context without that context we will

4320
02:56:05,809 --> 02:56:01,200
pass judgment on everyone in history

4321
02:56:09,950 --> 02:56:07,730
okay thank you I'm not apologizing for

4322
02:56:12,710 --> 02:56:09,960
his misogynism by the way it was bad

4323
02:56:14,330 --> 02:56:12,720
it's bad it will forever be bad it's uh

4324
02:56:16,849 --> 02:56:14,340
it's surprising for somebody who is

4325
02:56:19,070 --> 02:56:16,859
otherwise so intelligent to to to to

4326
02:56:22,250 --> 02:56:19,080
take the Jabs that women that he took

4327
02:56:25,429 --> 02:56:22,260
now and then but again context doesn't

4328
02:56:26,750 --> 02:56:25,439
allow us to forgive it but allows us to

4329
02:56:28,790 --> 02:56:26,760
understand it

4330
02:56:31,309 --> 02:56:28,800
mm-hmm

4331
02:56:32,870 --> 02:56:31,319
okay well that's a deep topic because to

4332
02:56:33,650 --> 02:56:32,880
me there's something about understanding

4333
02:56:35,389 --> 02:56:33,660
that

4334
02:56:36,590 --> 02:56:35,399
allows for the Forgiveness or it's the

4335
02:56:39,650 --> 02:56:36,600
same as but we can talk about that

4336
02:56:41,269 --> 02:56:39,660
another time so I have to urinate and

4337
02:56:42,550 --> 02:56:41,279
this is a live stream and I'm not

4338
02:56:44,929 --> 02:56:42,560
supposed to leave for like eight hours

4339
02:56:46,849 --> 02:56:44,939
Christina I'm gonna put you on the spot

4340
02:56:48,889 --> 02:56:46,859
and say can you host the toll podcast

4341
02:56:50,570 --> 02:56:48,899
Christina for the next five minutes or

4342
02:56:52,730 --> 02:56:50,580
so I know that's a long time to urinate

4343
02:56:55,250 --> 02:56:52,740
I also want to stretch I just got here

4344
02:56:56,389 --> 02:56:55,260
Kurt you can't leave okay yeah Tony I'm

4345
02:56:58,849 --> 02:56:56,399
coming right back and you're staying on

4346
02:57:00,110 --> 02:56:58,859
for a little while and Bernardo Jack Dan

4347
02:57:02,950 --> 02:57:00,120
if any of you have to go in the next

4348
02:57:06,370 --> 02:57:02,960
five minutes I'm just gonna say bye now

4349
02:57:12,410 --> 02:57:09,769
all right welcome everyone Kristina is

4350
02:57:16,809 --> 02:57:12,420
the new host of toe and see you all in a

4351
02:57:20,330 --> 02:57:18,830
You're Gonna Hate Sam by the way

4352
02:57:22,490 --> 02:57:20,340
Christina

4353
02:57:24,710 --> 02:57:22,500
all right we're now one two three four

4354
02:57:27,110 --> 02:57:24,720
I'm not sure how many hours into the

4355
02:57:29,929 --> 02:57:27,120
actual tonanza I wanted to promote a

4356
02:57:32,150 --> 02:57:29,939
couple aspects so number one podcast dot

4357
02:57:34,190 --> 02:57:32,160
a i is a website where they've had Joe

4358
02:57:36,170 --> 02:57:34,200
Rogan interview Steve Jobs and Lex

4359
02:57:37,610 --> 02:57:36,180
Friedman interview Richard Feynman the

4360
02:57:39,769 --> 02:57:37,620
next one is going to be Kurt J mungle

4361
02:57:41,690 --> 02:57:39,779
interviews most likely Carl Jung we're

4362
02:57:46,090 --> 02:57:41,700
working on the exact guest this is just

4363
02:57:48,170 --> 02:57:46,100
a plug for play dot HT who

4364
02:57:50,389 --> 02:57:48,180
powerspodcast.ai you can look at their

4365
02:57:52,910 --> 02:57:50,399
technology by going to podcast.ai or

4366
02:57:55,490 --> 02:57:52,920
play.ht another aspect I would like to

4367
02:57:57,410 --> 02:57:55,500
promote is the patreon again as you can

4368
02:57:59,330 --> 02:57:57,420
see this was a tremendous tremendous

4369
02:58:02,030 --> 02:57:59,340
amount of effort I'm luckily right now

4370
02:58:04,010 --> 02:58:02,040
well rested but this was many restless

4371
02:58:06,050 --> 02:58:04,020
nights in the making as well as we have

4372
02:58:08,809 --> 02:58:06,060
other plans for the future many many

4373
02:58:12,650 --> 02:58:08,819
large plans for 2023 if you would like

4374
02:58:15,349 --> 02:58:12,660
to support then visit patreon.com Kurt

4375
02:58:16,670 --> 02:58:15,359
jaimungal it's on screen right now you

4376
02:58:18,710 --> 02:58:16,680
can support with whatever you like

4377
02:58:21,590 --> 02:58:18,720
whether it's a hundred dollars fifty

4378
02:58:23,510 --> 02:58:21,600
dollars one dollar every bit makes a

4379
02:58:25,370 --> 02:58:23,520
huge difference you may not think so but

4380
02:58:27,469 --> 02:58:25,380
every bit helps it certainly helps in

4381
02:58:29,889 --> 02:58:27,479
terms of morale so thank you so much the

4382
02:58:32,330 --> 02:58:29,899
link again is patreon.com

4383
02:58:34,790 --> 02:58:32,340
kurtjimungel the last component that I

4384
02:58:36,410 --> 02:58:34,800
wanted to promote is the Discord and

4385
02:58:38,870 --> 02:58:36,420
that link again will be shown on screen

4386
02:58:40,849 --> 02:58:38,880
here's the invite code in particular I

4387
02:58:43,849 --> 02:58:40,859
wanted to thank some of the moderators

4388
02:58:46,070 --> 02:58:43,859
Gibbs mystery bear Rajesh spiral Source

4389
02:58:48,950 --> 02:58:46,080
name is Namaz J I'm gonna mispronounce

4390
02:58:50,690 --> 02:58:48,960
that Nam as J big fill combo and other

4391
02:58:53,510 --> 02:58:50,700
users who are frequently commenting and

4392
02:58:55,309 --> 02:58:53,520
putting out quality conversation kubaj

4393
02:58:58,730 --> 02:58:55,319
or cubbage I'm not sure how to pronounce

4394
02:59:01,910 --> 02:58:58,740
that time cake Eric lordy benjay endless

4395
02:59:03,950 --> 02:59:01,920
Kettle Kali and Pythagoras whole there

4396
02:59:05,750 --> 02:59:03,960
are countless others you can just look

4397
02:59:07,370 --> 02:59:05,760
through and you'll see that this is a

4398
02:59:09,769 --> 02:59:07,380
place where people propose their own

4399
02:59:11,750 --> 02:59:09,779
toes critique other people's toes delve

4400
02:59:14,630 --> 02:59:11,760
into certain aspects of existing toes

4401
02:59:18,410 --> 02:59:14,640
and again that link is on screen there's

4402
02:59:20,809 --> 02:59:18,420
also a subreddit reddit.com R theories

4403
02:59:23,990 --> 02:59:20,819
of everything there's also memes place

4404
02:59:26,510 --> 02:59:24,000
are slash Kurt J mungle memes

4405
02:59:28,370 --> 02:59:26,520
well since since Tony just entered Tony

4406
02:59:29,870 --> 02:59:28,380
gives a little bit of a background of

4407
02:59:31,309 --> 02:59:29,880
who you are and what your research

4408
02:59:33,530 --> 02:59:31,319
entails for those that may not be

4409
02:59:34,969 --> 02:59:33,540
familiar with your work

4410
02:59:37,490 --> 02:59:34,979
well

4411
02:59:39,950 --> 02:59:37,500
um I'm a design build contractor in

4412
02:59:42,170 --> 02:59:39,960
Tennessee and I live in the bayports now

4413
02:59:45,110 --> 02:59:42,180
I noticed most of my most of the most

4414
02:59:48,710 --> 02:59:45,120
intelligent guests had libraries behind

4415
02:59:52,790 --> 02:59:48,720
them so I'm I'm broadcasting from the

4416
02:59:56,690 --> 02:59:52,800
Trinity College in Dublin Library and so

4417
02:59:59,690 --> 02:59:56,700
that's the only way to do it Tony so I

4418
03:00:01,849 --> 02:59:59,700
represent the uh the Layman of the bunch

4419
03:00:04,250 --> 03:00:01,859
I think but I haven't I've been

4420
03:00:07,250 --> 03:00:04,260
interested in this field you know for I

4421
03:00:10,130 --> 03:00:07,260
mean all my life practically and

4422
03:00:13,910 --> 03:00:10,140
um I I really wanted to share something

4423
03:00:15,650 --> 03:00:13,920
that I created when Kurt gets back and

4424
03:00:17,990 --> 03:00:15,660
this goes along with with something

4425
03:00:20,750 --> 03:00:18,000
Bernardo was talking about it's a graph

4426
03:00:22,309 --> 03:00:20,760
that I created and um

4427
03:00:24,170 --> 03:00:22,319
so I don't want to get into it too much

4428
03:00:27,170 --> 03:00:24,180
if you don't mind until Kurt gets back

4429
03:00:30,410 --> 03:00:27,180
because I want to hear his input but um

4430
03:00:32,990 --> 03:00:30,420
I appreciate being here and uh it should

4431
03:00:35,210 --> 03:00:33,000
be fun I hope it does lighten up a bit

4432
03:00:37,910 --> 03:00:35,220
because I I know I've met I've talked

4433
03:00:40,610 --> 03:00:37,920
with Avi I I've actually volunteered

4434
03:00:42,410 --> 03:00:40,620
um the Galileo project early on doing

4435
03:00:45,650 --> 03:00:42,420
some CAD work I'm a design build

4436
03:00:47,210 --> 03:00:45,660
contractor I do design work and they're

4437
03:00:49,429 --> 03:00:47,220
they're really just like by the book

4438
03:00:51,950 --> 03:00:49,439
they're like like you if you get them in

4439
03:00:53,750 --> 03:00:51,960
the bar they're still going to be you

4440
03:00:59,990 --> 03:00:53,760
know

4441
03:01:02,269 --> 03:01:00,000
straight by the book and uh oh God I do

4442
03:01:05,330 --> 03:01:02,279
find it easier to to debate on you when

4443
03:01:08,809 --> 03:01:05,340
he's not here so I have I drew this for

4444
03:01:10,730 --> 03:01:08,819
when after he left so and I'm also aware

4445
03:01:11,630 --> 03:01:10,740
that you make some music as well is that

4446
03:01:14,510 --> 03:01:11,640
correct

4447
03:01:17,389 --> 03:01:14,520
most of the music is made by my sons a

4448
03:01:21,650 --> 03:01:19,670
I was a musician earlier in life uh

4449
03:01:24,590 --> 03:01:21,660
that's I got them involved with music

4450
03:01:27,429 --> 03:01:24,600
when they were young and now they're

4451
03:01:31,250 --> 03:01:27,439
professional you know Alex is a

4452
03:01:34,250 --> 03:01:31,260
producer you know of music and Barrett

4453
03:01:37,490 --> 03:01:34,260
teaches and also is a content creator so

4454
03:01:39,469 --> 03:01:37,500
I've tried to I've tried to you know

4455
03:01:41,150 --> 03:01:39,479
influence them as much as I can they're

4456
03:01:45,230 --> 03:01:41,160
obviously much more talented than I am

4457
03:01:47,389 --> 03:01:45,240
now regarding music but um

4458
03:01:50,090 --> 03:01:47,399
my music changed her much more you know

4459
03:01:52,969 --> 03:01:50,100
Tennessee Deep Woods banjo and there's a

4460
03:01:55,790 --> 03:01:52,979
little more hip than my

4461
03:01:58,550 --> 03:01:55,800
mind so well I have a question for the

4462
03:02:02,210 --> 03:01:58,560
entire room and that is what was your

4463
03:02:04,670 --> 03:02:02,220
favorite news story of 2022 about UFOs

4464
03:02:06,290 --> 03:02:04,680
or whatever mysterious topics that

4465
03:02:09,950 --> 03:02:06,300
you've looked into throughout the year

4466
03:02:13,670 --> 03:02:11,990
so I'm gonna go I'll go for one of the

4467
03:02:16,610 --> 03:02:13,680
kind of low-hanging fruit here and say

4468
03:02:19,370 --> 03:02:16,620
the James Webb Telescope over the past

4469
03:02:21,230 --> 03:02:19,380
year we've seen it go from a thing that

4470
03:02:23,269 --> 03:02:21,240
maybe would work we weren't really sure

4471
03:02:24,950 --> 03:02:23,279
we were thrown out into space and see if

4472
03:02:27,050 --> 03:02:24,960
you know it could produce images that

4473
03:02:29,330 --> 03:02:27,060
were better than Hubble then the test

4474
03:02:31,070 --> 03:02:29,340
blew people's minds that was like a

4475
03:02:32,750 --> 03:02:31,080
thousand times better than Hubble and

4476
03:02:35,870 --> 03:02:32,760
then it keeps giving us these images the

4477
03:02:37,670 --> 03:02:35,880
the makers reflect on on a kind of in

4478
03:02:40,010 --> 03:02:37,680
condition and asking what's out there

4479
03:02:41,929 --> 03:02:40,020
and questioning what we know about the

4480
03:02:43,550 --> 03:02:41,939
cosmos and already it's kind of upending

4481
03:02:45,410 --> 03:02:43,560
some of the science you know

4482
03:02:48,050 --> 03:02:45,420
10 15 years ago we didn't think they

4483
03:02:50,870 --> 03:02:48,060
were exop and it's now they're a kind of

4484
03:02:52,490 --> 03:02:50,880
dime a dozen then the James Wood is

4485
03:02:54,469 --> 03:02:52,500
constantly just

4486
03:02:56,389 --> 03:02:54,479
made us look at the universe through a

4487
03:02:58,070 --> 03:02:56,399
different lens I think my my favorite

4488
03:03:00,410 --> 03:02:58,080
particularly new story from it wasn't

4489
03:03:02,570 --> 03:03:00,420
the first image but was the image of I

4490
03:03:05,030 --> 03:03:02,580
think it was uh Neptune with the rings

4491
03:03:06,710 --> 03:03:05,040
around it and people weren't kind of

4492
03:03:08,630 --> 03:03:06,720
accustomed to seeing the rings around it

4493
03:03:10,849 --> 03:03:08,640
but they beat it they've been there for

4494
03:03:12,710 --> 03:03:10,859
as long as the planet's been there it

4495
03:03:14,389 --> 03:03:12,720
took us building that lens to be able to

4496
03:03:17,510 --> 03:03:14,399
see reality in that way and I think

4497
03:03:19,250 --> 03:03:17,520
that's kind of a a potent point about

4498
03:03:21,290 --> 03:03:19,260
how we look at the universe

4499
03:03:22,849 --> 03:03:21,300
and if you don't mind me asking Dan if

4500
03:03:24,769 --> 03:03:22,859
you can just very briefly touch on

4501
03:03:26,210 --> 03:03:24,779
what's so special about the James Webb

4502
03:03:28,610 --> 03:03:26,220
Space Telescope for those that may not

4503
03:03:32,510 --> 03:03:28,620
be aware

4504
03:03:33,349 --> 03:03:32,520
yeah so I mean in in a kind of a tldr

4505
03:03:36,950 --> 03:03:33,359
what

4506
03:03:38,330 --> 03:03:36,960
um it's like going from VHS to DVD

4507
03:03:40,910 --> 03:03:38,340
um whilst looking at the universe it's

4508
03:03:42,590 --> 03:03:40,920
looking at the length of light it has a

4509
03:03:44,330 --> 03:03:42,600
few different instruments that look at

4510
03:03:46,550 --> 03:03:44,340
wavelengths

4511
03:03:50,030 --> 03:03:46,560
um so we're literally seeing things that

4512
03:03:51,650 --> 03:03:50,040
we were unable to see before

4513
03:03:55,429 --> 03:03:51,660
very cool and Jack what about yourself

4514
03:03:57,469 --> 03:03:55,439
what was your favorite new story of 2022

4515
03:03:59,510 --> 03:03:57,479
tough one I think I have to choose

4516
03:04:03,010 --> 03:03:59,520
between the Nobel Prize for the

4517
03:04:05,750 --> 03:04:03,020
physicist who could prove that

4518
03:04:07,910 --> 03:04:05,760
local reality isn't true I think

4519
03:04:10,070 --> 03:04:07,920
Bernardo could expand on that if he

4520
03:04:12,410 --> 03:04:10,080
probably much better than I I can but

4521
03:04:14,870 --> 03:04:12,420
but I think I read today or yesterday

4522
03:04:17,349 --> 03:04:14,880
that they found bacteria that could eat

4523
03:04:19,670 --> 03:04:17,359
viruses and somehow I think that

4524
03:04:22,010 --> 03:04:19,680
personally much more interesting I don't

4525
03:04:24,050 --> 03:04:22,020
know why but because I also found

4526
03:04:26,690 --> 03:04:24,060
bacteria that could break down plastic

4527
03:04:27,710 --> 03:04:26,700
so there's there's that's some hopeful

4528
03:04:30,050 --> 03:04:27,720
news

4529
03:04:32,510 --> 03:04:30,060
there you go that's very cool and

4530
03:04:35,929 --> 03:04:32,520
Bernardo what about yourself

4531
03:04:38,210 --> 03:04:35,939
oh my heart is torn across three I'll

4532
03:04:41,750 --> 03:04:38,220
mention him briefly and you take a pic

4533
03:04:44,630 --> 03:04:41,760
the proof of principle of nuclear fusion

4534
03:04:48,290 --> 03:04:44,640
was something that will be in the annals

4535
03:04:50,410 --> 03:04:48,300
of history for centuries to come

4536
03:04:52,910 --> 03:04:50,420
um and two breakthroughs in

4537
03:04:55,070 --> 03:04:52,920
immunotherapy for cancer

4538
03:04:56,570 --> 03:04:55,080
one for rectal cancer and one that's

4539
03:04:58,730 --> 03:04:56,580
probably applicable to many many

4540
03:05:01,070 --> 03:04:58,740
different forms of cancer one in the U.S

4541
03:05:05,290 --> 03:05:01,080
one in the UK it's for the first time in

4542
03:05:09,410 --> 03:05:05,300
my lifetime that I hear cancer news that

4543
03:05:12,710 --> 03:05:09,420
truly may be the beginning of something

4544
03:05:14,750 --> 03:05:12,720
and not just you know something that

4545
03:05:17,330 --> 03:05:14,760
cannot be replicated or is only

4546
03:05:20,389 --> 03:05:17,340
applicable to a very specific form of

4547
03:05:23,710 --> 03:05:20,399
cancer now these two things these opened

4548
03:05:26,809 --> 03:05:23,720
doors here so I think we will remember

4549
03:05:30,230 --> 03:05:26,819
2022 first and foremost for the

4550
03:05:31,849 --> 03:05:30,240
catastrophe of what Russia is doing in

4551
03:05:34,910 --> 03:05:31,859
the European continent after we thought

4552
03:05:38,330 --> 03:05:34,920
large-scale war was a 20th century thing

4553
03:05:39,650 --> 03:05:38,340
but we will also remember 22 2022 for

4554
03:05:41,990 --> 03:05:39,660
the fusion breakthrough and the

4555
03:05:44,570 --> 03:05:42,000
immunotherapy Breakthrough for for

4556
03:05:46,790 --> 03:05:44,580
cancer therapy

4557
03:05:48,590 --> 03:05:46,800
and Tony what about yourself

4558
03:05:50,929 --> 03:05:48,600
I literally was going to say you break

4559
03:05:53,330 --> 03:05:50,939
these breakthroughs and fusion

4560
03:05:55,010 --> 03:05:53,340
um also because

4561
03:05:57,710 --> 03:05:55,020
you know one of my disappointments

4562
03:06:00,170 --> 03:05:57,720
honestly with science is that and I drew

4563
03:06:03,230 --> 03:06:00,180
this graph while Avi was speaking is

4564
03:06:04,429 --> 03:06:03,240
that I feel like that our I'll just say

4565
03:06:08,389 --> 03:06:04,439
it

4566
03:06:12,230 --> 03:06:08,399
um this is this is scientifical okay I

4567
03:06:17,590 --> 03:06:12,240
can get it to where it's not so this

4568
03:06:22,730 --> 03:06:17,600
devil the devil dashed line is the

4569
03:06:25,130 --> 03:06:22,740
this is AI okay and as what's the

4570
03:06:28,610 --> 03:06:25,140
background is going crazy in it so as

4571
03:06:31,190 --> 03:06:28,620
the as the ability of AI

4572
03:06:34,490 --> 03:06:31,200
gets greater over time

4573
03:06:36,349 --> 03:06:34,500
than the Practical knowledge of humans

4574
03:06:39,590 --> 03:06:36,359
uh goes down

4575
03:06:41,929 --> 03:06:39,600
like this and at some point at some

4576
03:06:45,530 --> 03:06:41,939
point there will be a point where humans

4577
03:06:49,309 --> 03:06:45,540
cannot uh decide you know between the

4578
03:06:52,070 --> 03:06:49,319
two because of our I believe at some

4579
03:06:54,469 --> 03:06:52,080
point we will the knowledge the uh what

4580
03:06:57,710 --> 03:06:54,479
am I trying to say there's a gap but

4581
03:06:59,750 --> 03:06:57,720
that's widening between practical

4582
03:07:02,750 --> 03:06:59,760
knowledge and science you know practical

4583
03:07:06,230 --> 03:07:02,760
science and theoretical science there's

4584
03:07:09,050 --> 03:07:06,240
a the Gap is widening right a lot of the

4585
03:07:10,550 --> 03:07:09,060
you know this is just my intuition one

4586
03:07:13,130 --> 03:07:10,560
of the things I was born with I think

4587
03:07:16,070 --> 03:07:13,140
was a great intuition and my

4588
03:07:18,790 --> 03:07:16,080
intermission tells me that there the Gap

4589
03:07:22,429 --> 03:07:18,800
is widening so to the to the extent that

4590
03:07:24,769 --> 03:07:22,439
the the Practical things like the fusion

4591
03:07:27,110 --> 03:07:24,779
discoveries and continuing how long have

4592
03:07:29,990 --> 03:07:27,120
we been working on Fusion Bernardo for

4593
03:07:31,670 --> 03:07:30,000
40 years or something fitting longer

4594
03:07:37,130 --> 03:07:31,680
than that 50.

4595
03:07:38,809 --> 03:07:37,140
um that 17 17 yeah yeah so so that that

4596
03:07:41,269 --> 03:07:38,819
it seems like there's a gap and it's

4597
03:07:43,990 --> 03:07:41,279
growing and the more scientists that

4598
03:07:46,490 --> 03:07:44,000
make the jump to just being theoretical

4599
03:07:48,889 --> 03:07:46,500
then maybe I'm wrong but again this is

4600
03:07:52,750 --> 03:07:48,899
my intuition that's talking not there's

4601
03:07:56,510 --> 03:07:52,760
no proof of this well I think you are

4602
03:07:58,410 --> 03:07:56,520
120 right and you touched on one of the

4603
03:08:01,070 --> 03:07:58,420
greatest dangers to civilization

4604
03:08:03,889 --> 03:08:01,080
[Laughter]

4605
03:08:05,030 --> 03:08:03,899
but it's just you know you get this this

4606
03:08:07,250 --> 03:08:05,040
um

4607
03:08:10,070 --> 03:08:07,260
I've seen it in one of my challenges for

4608
03:08:12,889 --> 03:08:10,080
people you know in 2023 is to get back

4609
03:08:15,290 --> 03:08:12,899
to the new and away from the woo that's

4610
03:08:18,410 --> 03:08:15,300
my new that's my challenge for and the

4611
03:08:21,110 --> 03:08:18,420
new is to get going back to the Grind of

4612
03:08:23,809 --> 03:08:21,120
science you know grinding out those

4613
03:08:25,910 --> 03:08:23,819
those experiments doing the hard work

4614
03:08:28,670 --> 03:08:25,920
you know people give Einstein a hard

4615
03:08:30,889 --> 03:08:28,680
time because of his reluctance to you

4616
03:08:33,769 --> 03:08:30,899
know to jump on board with the quantum

4617
03:08:38,410 --> 03:08:33,779
mechanics but he may end up ultimately

4618
03:08:42,950 --> 03:08:38,420
being correct you know so uh

4619
03:08:44,450 --> 03:08:42,960
laughs who were you talking about oh

4620
03:08:47,030 --> 03:08:44,460
Einstein yeah yeah

4621
03:08:49,550 --> 03:08:47,040
that and again these are not I'm not you

4622
03:08:51,290 --> 03:08:49,560
know these are my my Impressions I don't

4623
03:08:52,849 --> 03:08:51,300
have a lot of knowledge to back them up

4624
03:08:56,210 --> 03:08:52,859
these are just Impressions I formed over

4625
03:08:57,769 --> 03:08:56,220
the last I turned 60 in October so Tony

4626
03:08:59,630 --> 03:08:57,779
thank you so much for answering that

4627
03:09:02,090 --> 03:08:59,640
Kurt before I pass a show back on to you

4628
03:09:04,250 --> 03:09:02,100
let me ask you that same question what

4629
03:09:06,950 --> 03:09:04,260
was your favorite news story of 2022

4630
03:09:10,370 --> 03:09:06,960
about science physics UFOs or whatever

4631
03:09:11,870 --> 03:09:10,380
mysterious topic that you've looked into

4632
03:09:12,830 --> 03:09:11,880
you you should answer this as well

4633
03:09:14,929 --> 03:09:12,840
Christina because you probably have a

4634
03:09:17,330 --> 03:09:14,939
great answer

4635
03:09:19,250 --> 03:09:17,340
it has to be mysterious it can be

4636
03:09:22,130 --> 03:09:19,260
anything that you found fascinating in

4637
03:09:23,929 --> 03:09:22,140
the year 2022. so so maybe this was

4638
03:09:25,910 --> 03:09:23,939
because I was going through

4639
03:09:27,170 --> 03:09:25,920
remember earlier John verakee referenced

4640
03:09:29,269 --> 03:09:27,180
The Dark Knight of the Soul so I was

4641
03:09:31,130 --> 03:09:29,279
going through some extreme turmoil

4642
03:09:34,370 --> 03:09:31,140
and

4643
03:09:36,050 --> 03:09:34,380
what fascinated me the most was the

4644
03:09:38,510 --> 03:09:36,060
Johnny Depp trial

4645
03:09:40,250 --> 03:09:38,520
I go oh my gosh I was just tuned into

4646
03:09:42,710 --> 03:09:40,260
that

4647
03:09:44,030 --> 03:09:42,720
I'm not a reality TV person but I can

4648
03:09:45,410 --> 03:09:44,040
understand what it's like to watch

4649
03:09:47,690 --> 03:09:45,420
reality TV

4650
03:09:49,910 --> 03:09:47,700
that was riveting

4651
03:09:54,950 --> 03:09:49,920
so

4652
03:09:56,750 --> 03:09:54,960
that's not a terribly intellectual

4653
03:09:58,130 --> 03:09:56,760
answer in the sense like maybe there's a

4654
03:09:59,630 --> 03:09:58,140
Nobel Prize in physics and then there's

4655
03:10:01,730 --> 03:09:59,640
no confusion

4656
03:10:04,790 --> 03:10:01,740
and then there's more heavy topics

4657
03:10:07,250 --> 03:10:04,800
events like the Ukrainian War

4658
03:10:09,710 --> 03:10:07,260
well for me in terms of what enthralled

4659
03:10:11,809 --> 03:10:09,720
me the most well it was that but mainly

4660
03:10:15,290 --> 03:10:11,819
because I had to distract myself because

4661
03:10:17,269 --> 03:10:15,300
I was so pulled in some other direction

4662
03:10:18,590 --> 03:10:17,279
and as for something more serious

4663
03:10:19,670 --> 03:10:18,600
something more research-based I have to

4664
03:10:21,950 --> 03:10:19,680
think about that what's your answer

4665
03:10:24,950 --> 03:10:21,960
Christina well I was going to say while

4666
03:10:26,750 --> 03:10:24,960
that Johnny Depp thing was really

4667
03:10:29,030 --> 03:10:26,760
enticing for many it was really

4668
03:10:30,889 --> 03:10:29,040
unfortunate that the UFO Congressional

4669
03:10:33,530 --> 03:10:30,899
hearing happened at the exact same time

4670
03:10:35,450 --> 03:10:33,540
as that celebrity hearing so there

4671
03:10:37,670 --> 03:10:35,460
weren't that many people interested in

4672
03:10:40,550 --> 03:10:37,680
the in the UFO Congressional hearing but

4673
03:10:43,510 --> 03:10:40,560
everyone was all interested in Johnny

4674
03:10:46,790 --> 03:10:43,520
Depp and Amber Heard is that her name

4675
03:10:49,070 --> 03:10:46,800
and so I found that like kind of sad but

4676
03:10:50,630 --> 03:10:49,080
I did really enjoy

4677
03:10:52,490 --> 03:10:50,640
um that particular hearing especially

4678
03:10:54,050 --> 03:10:52,500
with Gallagher I think he was the star

4679
03:10:57,230 --> 03:10:54,060
of the show asking all the hardball

4680
03:10:58,849 --> 03:10:57,240
questions to Moultrie and Bray but I

4681
03:11:01,490 --> 03:10:58,859
think as for the most

4682
03:11:03,349 --> 03:11:01,500
interesting news item of 2022 I'm gonna

4683
03:11:06,050 --> 03:11:03,359
have to agree with Dan on this one I

4684
03:11:07,550 --> 03:11:06,060
think the when we we got our first

4685
03:11:10,730 --> 03:11:07,560
images from the James Webb Space

4686
03:11:13,010 --> 03:11:10,740
Telescope searching for biosignatures in

4687
03:11:16,130 --> 03:11:13,020
the atmospheres of exoplanets that's

4688
03:11:20,570 --> 03:11:16,140
really exciting and our future seems

4689
03:11:25,910 --> 03:11:22,670
thanks Christina it's amazing I think

4690
03:11:27,410 --> 03:11:25,920
that how much data they've like brought

4691
03:11:28,849 --> 03:11:27,420
in and they're still going through the

4692
03:11:30,349 --> 03:11:28,859
data I saw someone in the comments say

4693
03:11:32,570 --> 03:11:30,359
they should take a photograph of both

4694
03:11:33,590 --> 03:11:32,580
with the James Webb Telescope and and I

4695
03:11:35,570 --> 03:11:33,600
wanted to write back where I couldn't

4696
03:11:36,590 --> 03:11:35,580
but they have and we'll see that data

4697
03:11:38,150 --> 03:11:36,600
soon and it's going to be really

4698
03:11:39,830 --> 03:11:38,160
exciting to see what they think about

4699
03:11:41,929 --> 03:11:39,840
what it looks like so we can compare it

4700
03:11:43,969 --> 03:11:41,939
you know

4701
03:11:46,550 --> 03:11:43,979
um it doesn't need to be now but uh

4702
03:11:49,309 --> 03:11:46,560
before I leave I wanted to amplify what

4703
03:11:50,990 --> 03:11:49,319
Tony said I don't think every anybody

4704
03:11:51,950 --> 03:11:51,000
else is latching on to that but I think

4705
03:11:56,510 --> 03:11:51,960
he just

4706
03:11:58,250 --> 03:11:56,520
said and I would like an opportunity to

4707
03:12:01,610 --> 03:11:58,260
amplify that at some point doesn't need

4708
03:12:03,349 --> 03:12:01,620
to be in our career well I I if I if I

4709
03:12:05,389 --> 03:12:03,359
hear you correctly it was going to be my

4710
03:12:07,070 --> 03:12:05,399
next point if I'm to speak about

4711
03:12:09,769 --> 03:12:07,080
something more cerebral or scholarly

4712
03:12:13,190 --> 03:12:09,779
that has captured my attention this year

4713
03:12:16,370 --> 03:12:13,200
it's about AI and I think that so

4714
03:12:18,050 --> 03:12:16,380
there's so many advances in AI in Ai and

4715
03:12:20,150 --> 03:12:18,060
there are different critical points for

4716
03:12:23,330 --> 03:12:20,160
different types of technology so for

4717
03:12:25,370 --> 03:12:23,340
instance when it comes to

4718
03:12:27,230 --> 03:12:25,380
electric vehicles apparently when you

4719
03:12:28,910 --> 03:12:27,240
hit the five percent Mark of people

4720
03:12:30,309 --> 03:12:28,920
having electric vehicles that's a

4721
03:12:32,929 --> 03:12:30,319
critical point because afterward

4722
03:12:34,849 --> 03:12:32,939
adoption accelerates

4723
03:12:36,710 --> 03:12:34,859
I think this year we've hit a critical

4724
03:12:38,110 --> 03:12:36,720
point in AI

4725
03:12:40,490 --> 03:12:38,120
to the point where

4726
03:12:42,830 --> 03:12:40,500
this podcast is going to focus more on

4727
03:12:45,410 --> 03:12:42,840
AI and it's it's something I never

4728
03:12:47,590 --> 03:12:45,420
thought that I would and I'm focused I'm

4729
03:12:50,150 --> 03:12:47,600
interested in it from its technological

4730
03:12:51,830 --> 03:12:50,160
applications how it works its

4731
03:12:54,710 --> 03:12:51,840
relationship to Consciousness but also

4732
03:12:56,750 --> 03:12:54,720
the threat I think that the people who

4733
03:12:59,389 --> 03:12:56,760
are and I said this on someone's podcast

4734
03:13:01,730 --> 03:12:59,399
Martin so sorry Martin if I didn't give

4735
03:13:04,010 --> 03:13:01,740
you an invite to this I apologize by the

4736
03:13:06,769 --> 03:13:04,020
way I was on Martin Willis's show where

4737
03:13:08,330 --> 03:13:06,779
he interviewed me about UFOs physics and

4738
03:13:09,469 --> 03:13:08,340
Consciousness the link is in the

4739
03:13:10,969 --> 03:13:09,479
description

4740
03:13:13,610 --> 03:13:10,979
I think that the people who are working

4741
03:13:15,590 --> 03:13:13,620
for open Ai and Google Google brain and

4742
03:13:17,630 --> 03:13:15,600
Microsoft and so on that they're like

4743
03:13:19,010 --> 03:13:17,640
the engineers sorry they're like the

4744
03:13:22,849 --> 03:13:19,020
physicists of the

4745
03:13:25,130 --> 03:13:22,859
late 1930s and early 1940s working on

4746
03:13:26,269 --> 03:13:25,140
the bomb the atomic bomb where they're

4747
03:13:28,969 --> 03:13:26,279
so

4748
03:13:30,590 --> 03:13:28,979
jazzed about the physics of it that

4749
03:13:31,490 --> 03:13:30,600
they're not thinking about what are they

4750
03:13:33,110 --> 03:13:31,500
creating

4751
03:13:34,730 --> 03:13:33,120
and I think that something will happen

4752
03:13:36,769 --> 03:13:34,740
where they're going to be like Einstein

4753
03:13:38,750 --> 03:13:36,779
who said I'm paraphrasing he'd burn his

4754
03:13:40,250 --> 03:13:38,760
fingers or he'd burn his hands if he had

4755
03:13:41,450 --> 03:13:40,260
known that his creation would have

4756
03:13:43,070 --> 03:13:41,460
produced that

4757
03:13:46,190 --> 03:13:43,080
I think that the people who are working

4758
03:13:48,230 --> 03:13:46,200
for open AI they think in terms of

4759
03:13:49,849 --> 03:13:48,240
like like I mentioned again this to

4760
03:13:51,950 --> 03:13:49,859
Martin that we're having such fun

4761
03:13:54,469 --> 03:13:51,960
talking about these subjects but it's

4762
03:13:55,849 --> 03:13:54,479
much more fun to work on these subjects

4763
03:13:58,250 --> 03:13:55,859
to engine to actually work on the

4764
03:14:00,170 --> 03:13:58,260
engineering

4765
03:14:01,370 --> 03:14:00,180
they're I don't think they're thinking

4766
03:14:02,630 --> 03:14:01,380
about

4767
03:14:03,969 --> 03:14:02,640
I don't firstly I don't think they're

4768
03:14:06,230 --> 03:14:03,979
thinking much about the implications

4769
03:14:07,490 --> 03:14:06,240
unless it's something positive and then

4770
03:14:09,110 --> 03:14:07,500
they're deluding themselves that it will

4771
03:14:10,370 --> 03:14:09,120
only be used in a positive sense or that

4772
03:14:12,469 --> 03:14:10,380
it could only be used in a positive

4773
03:14:14,090 --> 03:14:12,479
sense and I also think that they may be

4774
03:14:16,790 --> 03:14:14,100
thinking well look if I'm not working on

4775
03:14:18,230 --> 03:14:16,800
on AI someone else will that reminds me

4776
03:14:20,510 --> 03:14:18,240
of this movie I think it's called Lord

4777
03:14:22,370 --> 03:14:20,520
of War with Nicholas Cage where he said

4778
03:14:24,590 --> 03:14:22,380
hey I'm gonna be a weapons dealer

4779
03:14:26,030 --> 03:14:24,600
because if I'm not someone else is just

4780
03:14:28,969 --> 03:14:26,040
going to take my place and I think

4781
03:14:31,610 --> 03:14:28,979
that's a poor an extremely poor position

4782
03:14:33,590 --> 03:14:31,620
to be in and a poor decision to be made

4783
03:14:35,269 --> 03:14:33,600
I think that you should constantly worry

4784
03:14:36,590 --> 03:14:35,279
about am I keeping my own hands clean

4785
03:14:37,910 --> 03:14:36,600
and not worry about if someone else is

4786
03:14:39,349 --> 03:14:37,920
going to dirty their hands in place of

4787
03:14:41,990 --> 03:14:39,359
me

4788
03:14:43,969 --> 03:14:42,000
so I think that I think that the people

4789
03:14:45,110 --> 03:14:43,979
who are working who are engineering

4790
03:14:49,250 --> 03:14:45,120
these

4791
03:14:52,309 --> 03:14:49,260
negative sense

4792
03:14:54,530 --> 03:14:52,319
may they

4793
03:14:55,969 --> 03:14:54,540
I say may because it's uncertain but may

4794
03:14:58,730 --> 03:14:55,979
burn their hands

4795
03:15:00,349 --> 03:14:58,740
or may wish that they had okay Bernardo

4796
03:15:03,889 --> 03:15:00,359
I'm going to let in I'm going to

4797
03:15:04,910 --> 03:15:03,899
introduce by ashdakar physicist here and

4798
03:15:08,330 --> 03:15:04,920
then

4799
03:15:09,469 --> 03:15:08,340
I'm going to let you wrap up as you have

4800
03:15:13,309 --> 03:15:09,479
to leave

4801
03:15:15,769 --> 03:15:13,319
and and perhaps even say hi to the

4802
03:15:18,230 --> 03:15:15,779
founder of loop quantum gravity one of

4803
03:15:20,450 --> 03:15:18,240
the founders of I asked the car

4804
03:15:22,910 --> 03:15:20,460
legendary physicist

4805
03:15:26,330 --> 03:15:22,920
thank you thank you for coming on this

4806
03:15:26,340 --> 03:15:29,389
it's an honor

4807
03:15:34,130 --> 03:15:32,210
thank you it's a pleasure for me to join

4808
03:15:38,050 --> 03:15:34,140
you all

4809
03:15:40,250 --> 03:15:38,060
context

4810
03:15:42,830 --> 03:15:40,260
ashdakar has been on the tow podcast

4811
03:15:45,710 --> 03:15:42,840
before and he if you've heard about

4812
03:15:47,690 --> 03:15:45,720
quantum gravity there are there's an

4813
03:15:50,870 --> 03:15:47,700
approach called Loop quantum gravity and

4814
03:15:52,670 --> 03:15:50,880
ashtakar is one of the it would not be

4815
03:15:54,650 --> 03:15:52,680
the whole field of loop quantum gravity

4816
03:15:55,730 --> 03:15:54,660
wouldn't be here if not for ashtakar or

4817
03:15:58,130 --> 03:15:55,740
maybe it would just be it would be

4818
03:16:00,050 --> 03:15:58,140
pushed by decades and advancing he's a

4819
03:16:01,670 --> 03:16:00,060
humble person so he would disagree with

4820
03:16:03,650 --> 03:16:01,680
that but

4821
03:16:06,769 --> 03:16:03,660
either way it's just it's an honor to

4822
03:16:08,450 --> 03:16:06,779
have you here and and I also respect you

4823
03:16:10,130 --> 03:16:08,460
because you talk about the two spheres

4824
03:16:11,870 --> 03:16:10,140
that is the inner world and the outer

4825
03:16:13,670 --> 03:16:11,880
world and that physics just explores the

4826
03:16:15,590 --> 03:16:13,680
outer

4827
03:16:18,290 --> 03:16:15,600
thank you for coming on

4828
03:16:20,630 --> 03:16:18,300
hello it's my pleasure

4829
03:16:21,710 --> 03:16:20,640
so we were talking about what is it I

4830
03:16:22,910 --> 03:16:21,720
believe Christina I didn't hear the

4831
03:16:25,730 --> 03:16:22,920
original question but it was something

4832
03:16:28,849 --> 03:16:25,740
about 2022 and what sticks out to us

4833
03:16:31,550 --> 03:16:28,859
scientifically from it or your your

4834
03:16:34,550 --> 03:16:31,560
favorite news item of 2022.

4835
03:16:36,650 --> 03:16:34,560
in the field that you specialize in

4836
03:16:39,230 --> 03:16:36,660
and I believe Bernardo Castro Bernardo

4837
03:16:41,030 --> 03:16:39,240
you have to get going so no no no if you

4838
03:16:43,309 --> 03:16:41,040
don't I don't have to get going I just I

4839
03:16:45,889 --> 03:16:43,319
just didn't want Tony's point to be lost

4840
03:16:47,510 --> 03:16:45,899
as we move on to other things okay so

4841
03:16:49,490 --> 03:16:47,520
I'm I'm not sure if I hit Tony's point

4842
03:16:52,730 --> 03:16:49,500
so Bernardo do you mind just touching on

4843
03:16:55,370 --> 03:16:52,740
it before this gives Professor some time

4844
03:16:56,690 --> 03:16:55,380
to think about that 2022 question so I

4845
03:17:00,469 --> 03:16:56,700
will express my possible

4846
03:17:02,929 --> 03:17:00,479
misunderstanding of Tony's Point

4847
03:17:05,990 --> 03:17:02,939
um I think the graph he showed what he

4848
03:17:08,330 --> 03:17:06,000
shows is that because we have so many

4849
03:17:09,950 --> 03:17:08,340
tools that automate things for us and

4850
03:17:11,690 --> 03:17:09,960
with the Advent of AI this is

4851
03:17:13,550 --> 03:17:11,700
accelerating

4852
03:17:14,990 --> 03:17:13,560
um everything is getting automated we

4853
03:17:18,410 --> 03:17:15,000
don't need to think about things anymore

4854
03:17:20,809 --> 03:17:18,420
we are retreating into a world of pure

4855
03:17:23,570 --> 03:17:20,819
conceptual abstraction and sort of

4856
03:17:25,910 --> 03:17:23,580
losing touch with reality with the

4857
03:17:27,650 --> 03:17:25,920
reality of building something with your

4858
03:17:29,750 --> 03:17:27,660
hands with the reality and it doesn't

4859
03:17:32,870 --> 03:17:29,760
need to be low Tech even high tech I

4860
03:17:35,870 --> 03:17:32,880
mean if I can express some of my

4861
03:17:38,269 --> 03:17:35,880
perennial frustrations there are two

4862
03:17:42,230 --> 03:17:38,279
Fields very close to me which sometimes

4863
03:17:45,290 --> 03:17:42,240
I fear are getting lost in in conceptual

4864
03:17:46,969 --> 03:17:45,300
abstraction one is computer science it

4865
03:17:49,130 --> 03:17:46,979
has separated itself from computer

4866
03:17:52,490 --> 03:17:49,140
engineering to the point that computer

4867
03:17:55,309 --> 03:17:52,500
scientists now that are doing the

4868
03:17:57,230 --> 03:17:55,319
talk show around and the podcast round

4869
03:17:59,330 --> 03:17:57,240
they don't really know what a computer

4870
03:18:01,330 --> 03:17:59,340
is because they're operating on layers

4871
03:18:05,150 --> 03:18:01,340
and layers and layers of abstraction

4872
03:18:06,950 --> 03:18:05,160
libraries and apis and whatnot and and

4873
03:18:09,050 --> 03:18:06,960
and then you can get into a situation

4874
03:18:10,969 --> 03:18:09,060
there you say well if the Silicon

4875
03:18:13,429 --> 03:18:10,979
computer is sophisticated enough maybe

4876
03:18:15,889 --> 03:18:13,439
it's conscious that's what you get when

4877
03:18:18,830 --> 03:18:15,899
you get lost in abstraction another

4878
03:18:20,570 --> 03:18:18,840
field that I think and and this is not

4879
03:18:23,530 --> 03:18:20,580
uh I'm not saying this because because

4880
03:18:26,090 --> 03:18:23,540
ashtaker is here and and I don't

4881
03:18:29,269 --> 03:18:26,100
think he is an example of what I'm about

4882
03:18:31,250 --> 03:18:29,279
to say an example of what I'm about to

4883
03:18:34,130 --> 03:18:31,260
say is precisely the person who wrote a

4884
03:18:36,349 --> 03:18:34,140
book called The Lost in abstraction

4885
03:18:38,450 --> 03:18:36,359
um which is theoretical physics if it

4886
03:18:42,230 --> 03:18:38,460
departs too much from experimental

4887
03:18:44,389 --> 03:18:42,240
physics from you know the raw reality of

4888
03:18:47,889 --> 03:18:44,399
what you have to do to see a physical

4889
03:18:50,630 --> 03:18:47,899
effect on a measurement surface

4890
03:18:51,889 --> 03:18:50,640
I don't think it is good

4891
03:18:54,530 --> 03:18:51,899
um

4892
03:18:58,130 --> 03:18:54,540
I I worked at CERN uh for for a couple

4893
03:18:59,690 --> 03:18:58,140
of years and to mention an explicit

4894
03:19:01,849 --> 03:18:59,700
example I'm not going after this

4895
03:19:03,769 --> 03:19:01,859
person's gratuitously it just happens to

4896
03:19:07,070 --> 03:19:03,779
be a good example for what I'm trying to

4897
03:19:09,530 --> 03:19:07,080
say zabini hosenfelder who is famous for

4898
03:19:10,910 --> 03:19:09,540
the statement loss and abstraction

4899
03:19:11,990 --> 03:19:10,920
I think she's completely lost in

4900
03:19:14,990 --> 03:19:12,000
abstraction

4901
03:19:17,030 --> 03:19:15,000
I think the the entire point of super

4902
03:19:19,190 --> 03:19:17,040
determinism is based on those hidden

4903
03:19:20,870 --> 03:19:19,200
variables that nobody defined

4904
03:19:23,030 --> 03:19:20,880
and you're trying to propose an

4905
03:19:24,710 --> 03:19:23,040
experiment that needs to control for the

4906
03:19:27,590 --> 03:19:24,720
initial conditions of these variables

4907
03:19:30,110 --> 03:19:27,600
without defining them I mean if somebody

4908
03:19:32,809 --> 03:19:30,120
had spent time doing experimental

4909
03:19:35,630 --> 03:19:32,819
physics you would know that we would

4910
03:19:38,450 --> 03:19:35,640
never have found the Higgs boson if a

4911
03:19:41,389 --> 03:19:38,460
physicist Peter Higgs hasn't had hadn't

4912
03:19:43,550 --> 03:19:41,399
defined for us what the Higgs boson is

4913
03:19:46,969 --> 03:19:43,560
what is the energy range where we expect

4914
03:19:48,590 --> 03:19:46,979
to find it what does it decay into very

4915
03:19:51,050 --> 03:19:48,600
important because we never measure the

4916
03:19:53,570 --> 03:19:51,060
Higgs boson directly it decays quickly

4917
03:19:56,450 --> 03:19:53,580
what interacts with measurement surfaces

4918
03:19:59,090 --> 03:19:56,460
are are the footprint of the Higgs it's

4919
03:20:02,090 --> 03:19:59,100
what it decays into and Peter Higgs gave

4920
03:20:04,010 --> 03:20:02,100
us hints about that to bottom quarks

4921
03:20:06,889 --> 03:20:04,020
maybe a w and z boson now we know even

4922
03:20:09,950 --> 03:20:06,899
two muons uh can can be the result of

4923
03:20:13,670 --> 03:20:09,960
the decay of the Higgs boson and I was

4924
03:20:17,510 --> 03:20:13,680
there building this stuff to to find the

4925
03:20:19,670 --> 03:20:17,520
Higgs boson and we built it based on the

4926
03:20:21,230 --> 03:20:19,680
knowledge of what it would Decay into so

4927
03:20:23,870 --> 03:20:21,240
the second level trigger in the data

4928
03:20:26,210 --> 03:20:23,880
acquisition system of the atlas is based

4929
03:20:28,610 --> 03:20:26,220
on rejecting events that have Jets and

4930
03:20:33,590 --> 03:20:28,620
no heavy electrons or muons it's it's

4931
03:20:36,830 --> 03:20:33,600
part of it so without grounding theory

4932
03:20:39,590 --> 03:20:36,840
on experimentally verifiable things that

4933
03:20:41,090 --> 03:20:39,600
allow us to build an experiment one is

4934
03:20:44,150 --> 03:20:41,100
lost in abstraction and super

4935
03:20:46,910 --> 03:20:44,160
determinism is a is a

4936
03:20:49,010 --> 03:20:46,920
is a cruel example of that because it

4937
03:20:51,170 --> 03:20:49,020
comes from somebody who makes this point

4938
03:20:54,110 --> 03:20:51,180
that we shouldn't be lost in abstraction

4939
03:20:56,450 --> 03:20:54,120
well congratulations then don't be lost

4940
03:20:59,630 --> 03:20:56,460
in abstraction give us a theoretical

4941
03:21:02,630 --> 03:20:59,640
handle that allow allows us to verify

4942
03:21:05,030 --> 03:21:02,640
and disprove the hypothesis and not to

4943
03:21:06,590 --> 03:21:05,040
propose experiments that are so vague as

4944
03:21:08,510 --> 03:21:06,600
to be impossible to do and even if we

4945
03:21:10,370 --> 03:21:08,520
could do them they wouldn't never

4946
03:21:12,710 --> 03:21:10,380
disprove the hypothesis because you can

4947
03:21:14,210 --> 03:21:12,720
ever you can always say well the

4948
03:21:16,070 --> 03:21:14,220
experiment failed because we couldn't

4949
03:21:17,990 --> 03:21:16,080
control the initial conditions for the

4950
03:21:20,570 --> 03:21:18,000
hidden variables well why not because

4951
03:21:23,450 --> 03:21:20,580
you haven't defined them how can we

4952
03:21:25,910 --> 03:21:23,460
control for the initial conditions and

4953
03:21:27,290 --> 03:21:25,920
and these are examples I think Tony I

4954
03:21:31,010 --> 03:21:27,300
don't know whether I'm taking you too

4955
03:21:34,130 --> 03:21:31,020
far but these are examples where we lose

4956
03:21:38,450 --> 03:21:34,140
touch with the concreteness of things we

4957
03:21:40,790 --> 03:21:38,460
can hold in our hands you know I don't

4958
03:21:43,730 --> 03:21:40,800
know scintillating scintillating tile in

4959
03:21:46,250 --> 03:21:43,740
a tile calorimeter you know touch that

4960
03:21:49,190 --> 03:21:46,260
thing see it feed a photo multiplier and

4961
03:21:51,469 --> 03:21:49,200
then you are close to reality or in

4962
03:21:54,050 --> 03:21:51,479
computer science build a darn computer

4963
03:21:56,809 --> 03:21:54,060
no one computer a year keeps the Mind

4964
03:22:00,769 --> 03:21:56,819
clear build one build a toy computer but

4965
03:22:01,730 --> 03:22:00,779
ground your computer science in real

4966
03:22:04,190 --> 03:22:01,740
stuff

4967
03:22:06,050 --> 03:22:04,200
and not in a lost world of pure

4968
03:22:08,389 --> 03:22:06,060
ungrounded conceptual abstraction and

4969
03:22:11,330 --> 03:22:08,399
that's what's happening and AI will make

4970
03:22:14,210 --> 03:22:11,340
it worse how many people today own a car

4971
03:22:17,330 --> 03:22:14,220
and a house without knowing how

4972
03:22:21,050 --> 03:22:17,340
to change a fuse or a tire

4973
03:22:24,830 --> 03:22:21,060
I mean or to fix uh something in the

4974
03:22:26,630 --> 03:22:24,840
roof I mean this is concerning uh I

4975
03:22:29,750 --> 03:22:26,640
I used to be in semiconductors

4976
03:22:31,250 --> 03:22:29,760
manufacturing for many years I I I would

4977
03:22:33,590 --> 03:22:31,260
tell you a few years ago I think it's

4978
03:22:35,450 --> 03:22:33,600
much worse now that there are about 2

4979
03:22:37,070 --> 03:22:35,460
000 people in the world who know how to

4980
03:22:40,250 --> 03:22:37,080
start from Sand

4981
03:22:42,170 --> 03:22:40,260
and end up with an Apple Macintosh

4982
03:22:44,570 --> 03:22:42,180
about two thousand it's probably less

4983
03:22:47,389 --> 03:22:44,580
now you know if those two thousand

4984
03:22:48,650 --> 03:22:47,399
people tomorrow selectively die we're

4985
03:22:51,230 --> 03:22:48,660
screwed

4986
03:22:53,690 --> 03:22:51,240
and and and that's the problem and and I

4987
03:22:55,730 --> 03:22:53,700
think Tony's graph shows that this is

4988
03:23:00,230 --> 03:22:55,740
only going to get worse especially with

4989
03:23:02,330 --> 03:23:00,240
AI that is replacing us for the basic

4990
03:23:06,530 --> 03:23:02,340
things with which we maintain

4991
03:23:10,849 --> 03:23:09,050
all right thank you Bernard I guess

4992
03:23:12,650 --> 03:23:10,859
since you mentioned me as a theoretical

4993
03:23:14,150 --> 03:23:12,660
physicist I I just want to say that I

4994
03:23:17,030 --> 03:23:14,160
completely agree with you that you know

4995
03:23:19,250 --> 03:23:17,040
that that has to be much more grounding

4996
03:23:21,889 --> 03:23:19,260
with the with the reality of the

4997
03:23:23,269 --> 03:23:21,899
experiments with uh so but I don't agree

4998
03:23:25,429 --> 03:23:23,279
that everybody has to build a computer

4999
03:23:27,050 --> 03:23:25,439
if I try to build a computer myself I'll

5000
03:23:28,370 --> 03:23:27,060
probably break so many things and it's

5001
03:23:31,750 --> 03:23:28,380
not worth it but on the other hand I

5002
03:23:35,269 --> 03:23:31,760
should be aware computer scientists

5003
03:23:37,849 --> 03:23:35,279
should build a computer yeah okay but I

5004
03:23:39,830 --> 03:23:37,859
mean I'm not sure that I can actually

5005
03:23:40,929 --> 03:23:39,840
things do things the photo multipliers

5006
03:23:43,010 --> 03:23:40,939
either

5007
03:23:45,349 --> 03:23:43,020
but on the other hand you know I know

5008
03:23:47,630 --> 03:23:45,359
what they do and I know you know so that

5009
03:23:49,849 --> 03:23:47,640
I the basic point I agree with you and I

5010
03:23:52,429 --> 03:23:49,859
think that there is a tendency for

5011
03:23:54,889 --> 03:23:52,439
example in string theory to move way too

5012
03:23:56,750 --> 03:23:54,899
far away from the actual physical world

5013
03:23:58,550 --> 03:23:56,760
and then you just Define certain things

5014
03:24:00,290 --> 03:23:58,560
to be interesting even though they have

5015
03:24:03,050 --> 03:24:00,300
nothing to do with the actual world we

5016
03:24:05,330 --> 03:24:03,060
live in and I think that is not a good

5017
03:24:07,729 --> 03:24:05,340
direction so I basically the fundamental

5018
03:24:09,769 --> 03:24:07,739
level I agree with you

5019
03:24:11,630 --> 03:24:09,779
I feel passionate about this because I

5020
03:24:14,450 --> 03:24:11,640
got burned very early in my life when I

5021
03:24:17,210 --> 03:24:14,460
was at CERN I was in my early 20s and

5022
03:24:20,210 --> 03:24:17,220
you know the media talks about you know

5023
03:24:22,550 --> 03:24:20,220
the LHC and the atlas the CMS being all

5024
03:24:24,830 --> 03:24:22,560
about finding the Higgs boson people who

5025
03:24:26,690 --> 03:24:24,840
were there knew it was not about that we

5026
03:24:28,250 --> 03:24:26,700
had events of the Higgs boson since the

5027
03:24:29,570 --> 03:24:28,260
LEP

5028
03:24:32,750 --> 03:24:29,580
um that we just didn't have the

5029
03:24:35,269 --> 03:24:32,760
statistics I was doing this for Susie

5030
03:24:36,650 --> 03:24:35,279
for supersymmetry because I thought this

5031
03:24:38,870 --> 03:24:36,660
is so beautiful it has to be true it

5032
03:24:40,969 --> 03:24:38,880
just has to be true it cannot not be

5033
03:24:44,269 --> 03:24:40,979
true and it's not true

5034
03:24:47,150 --> 03:24:44,279
and and that burn be pre-band and uh so

5035
03:24:49,250 --> 03:24:47,160
that's yeah it's echoing in my heart due

5036
03:24:51,110 --> 03:24:49,260
to this day yeah I have a I have a

5037
03:24:52,130 --> 03:24:51,120
question for both of you

5038
03:24:54,229 --> 03:24:52,140
um if you don't mind

5039
03:24:56,150 --> 03:24:54,239
um well we not at some point in the

5040
03:24:58,429 --> 03:24:56,160
future find that there is a physical

5041
03:25:00,349 --> 03:24:58,439
connection between things like

5042
03:25:03,229 --> 03:25:00,359
Consciousness in our brain and then

5043
03:25:05,570 --> 03:25:03,239
physical connections between entangled

5044
03:25:08,090 --> 03:25:05,580
partial particles you know what I mean

5045
03:25:10,010 --> 03:25:08,100
I'm a physical type of person and I

5046
03:25:12,290 --> 03:25:10,020
would I would love to think that it's

5047
03:25:14,330 --> 03:25:12,300
not woo that eventually we will be able

5048
03:25:16,190 --> 03:25:14,340
to drill down enough to be able to find

5049
03:25:18,290 --> 03:25:16,200
these connections between

5050
03:25:20,510 --> 03:25:18,300
there's so many people outside of

5051
03:25:23,269 --> 03:25:20,520
science especially on social media have

5052
03:25:25,729 --> 03:25:23,279
this tendency to create this uh sort of

5053
03:25:27,830 --> 03:25:25,739
mysterious world around you know it's

5054
03:25:29,809 --> 03:25:27,840
like living in a simulation you know we

5055
03:25:31,490 --> 03:25:29,819
can't imagine that there might be a

5056
03:25:34,550 --> 03:25:31,500
physical connection between entangled

5057
03:25:40,429 --> 03:25:34,560
particles light years away or I mean is

5058
03:25:45,469 --> 03:25:42,349
oh I'm sorry Professor I just wanted to

5059
03:25:48,650 --> 03:25:45,479
introduce Kevin knuth is in the house so

5060
03:25:51,050 --> 03:25:48,660
Kevin knuth thank you for joining

5061
03:25:53,570 --> 03:25:51,060
and thank you for having me

5062
03:25:54,889 --> 03:25:53,580
yeah of course I'm so glad you can make

5063
03:25:57,710 --> 03:25:54,899
it as well

5064
03:25:59,450 --> 03:25:57,720
you're I I don't want to butcher your

5065
03:26:01,790 --> 03:25:59,460
introduction and I apologize if I'm

5066
03:26:03,530 --> 03:26:01,800
asking you to introduce yourself but I

5067
03:26:05,630 --> 03:26:03,540
will bolster what you say and I know

5068
03:26:07,729 --> 03:26:05,640
that you're the editor-in-chief of the

5069
03:26:10,070 --> 03:26:07,739
entropy Journal as well as as well as

5070
03:26:11,690 --> 03:26:10,080
being a physics Professor but but please

5071
03:26:14,570 --> 03:26:11,700
could you just briefly introduce

5072
03:26:17,050 --> 03:26:14,580
yourself and then ashtakar Professor

5073
03:26:20,630 --> 03:26:17,060
ashtakar I miss colleague you asked

5074
03:26:22,790 --> 03:26:20,640
constantly sorry about that no no you

5075
03:26:24,229 --> 03:26:22,800
can finish what you were saying and

5076
03:26:27,050 --> 03:26:24,239
there's so many people that are so glad

5077
03:26:30,710 --> 03:26:27,060
to see all of you Bernardo Tony Jack Dan

5078
03:26:32,690 --> 03:26:30,720
Christina avai ashtakar Kevin so thank

5079
03:26:36,349 --> 03:26:32,700
you all for coming out to this like this

5080
03:26:41,330 --> 03:26:36,359
just fun event on our on a New Year's

5081
03:26:43,969 --> 03:26:42,229
Kevin

5082
03:26:45,410 --> 03:26:43,979
oh great thank you well thank you so

5083
03:26:47,690 --> 03:26:45,420
much for having me I'm

5084
03:26:50,450 --> 03:26:47,700
excited to be here and um I'm a

5085
03:26:52,250 --> 03:26:50,460
professor Kevin knuth I'm an associate

5086
03:26:53,710 --> 03:26:52,260
professor of physics at the University

5087
03:26:56,030 --> 03:26:53,720
at Albany

5088
03:27:02,929 --> 03:26:56,040
and um

5089
03:27:09,290 --> 03:27:05,990
and as Kurt said I was I'm also the

5090
03:27:11,750 --> 03:27:09,300
editor-in-chief of the journal entropy

5091
03:27:14,389 --> 03:27:11,760
great great okay Professor I interrupted

5092
03:27:17,809 --> 03:27:14,399
you please well I'm just saying that in

5093
03:27:20,269 --> 03:27:17,819
general terms I completely agree that uh

5094
03:27:22,070 --> 03:27:20,279
that there is actually a con kind of a

5095
03:27:24,410 --> 03:27:22,080
relation between you know our

5096
03:27:26,809 --> 03:27:24,420
Consciousness or like equality in the

5097
03:27:29,630 --> 03:27:26,819
world and also the Auto World

5098
03:27:32,630 --> 03:27:29,640
uh there's that and I think as

5099
03:27:35,269 --> 03:27:32,640
Neuroscience advances to what is

5100
03:27:39,050 --> 03:27:35,279
actually finding circuits in the brain

5101
03:27:41,389 --> 03:27:39,060
which give us this sense of me I

5102
03:27:44,330 --> 03:27:41,399
Etc and then when these circuits are

5103
03:27:46,490 --> 03:27:44,340
Switched Off by meditation for example

5104
03:27:50,229 --> 03:27:46,500
and this is something that actually has

5105
03:27:57,830 --> 03:27:54,889
the Yale Laboratories that one actually

5106
03:28:00,410 --> 03:27:57,840
finds that these people have an

5107
03:28:05,210 --> 03:28:00,420
experience in which there is no such

5108
03:28:06,110 --> 03:28:05,220
contact with the with the usual sense of

5109
03:28:08,210 --> 03:28:06,120
ego

5110
03:28:10,190 --> 03:28:08,220
and there's a very different kind of

5111
03:28:12,050 --> 03:28:10,200
existence people have been talking about

5112
03:28:14,330 --> 03:28:12,060
it forever you know I mean both in the

5113
03:28:17,630 --> 03:28:14,340
you can go back in literature all across

5114
03:28:19,429 --> 03:28:17,640
the world uh starting with you know in

5115
03:28:22,330 --> 03:28:19,439
India and the

5116
03:28:26,030 --> 03:28:22,340
vedanta literature Buddha literature Etc

5117
03:28:29,809 --> 03:28:26,040
uh then we also have the delicious in

5118
03:28:33,889 --> 03:28:29,819
Turkey the literature that came down to

5119
03:28:36,170 --> 03:28:33,899
Eunice and Embry for example uh the the

5120
03:28:38,210 --> 03:28:36,180
beautiful poet poems you wrote I mean

5121
03:28:40,370 --> 03:28:38,220
you you see some Universal experience

5122
03:28:43,190 --> 03:28:40,380
and it seems that that Universal

5123
03:28:46,429 --> 03:28:43,200
experience is actually being connected

5124
03:28:49,250 --> 03:28:46,439
to actual Science Now namely that it is

5125
03:28:51,830 --> 03:28:49,260
I mean it's not explanation of these

5126
03:28:55,550 --> 03:28:51,840
experiences but it's a correlation

5127
03:28:57,170 --> 03:28:55,560
between those experiences and what

5128
03:29:00,110 --> 03:28:57,180
actually happens in the circuits in the

5129
03:29:03,190 --> 03:29:00,120
brain to me that is kind of a very nice

5130
03:29:06,530 --> 03:29:03,200
coming together gradual slowly

5131
03:29:08,870 --> 03:29:06,540
of this various ideas as for

5132
03:29:10,910 --> 03:29:08,880
entanglement specifically that you ask

5133
03:29:14,809 --> 03:29:10,920
there doesn't seem to be any direct

5134
03:29:17,450 --> 03:29:14,819
relation between that and uh and and the

5135
03:29:21,190 --> 03:29:17,460
Brain I mean the brain seems to be a

5136
03:29:24,349 --> 03:29:21,200
little bit too not too wet too hot place

5137
03:29:26,389 --> 03:29:24,359
that could cause Deco areas rather

5138
03:29:29,690 --> 03:29:26,399
rapidly and this is a hot debate that is

5139
03:29:31,849 --> 03:29:29,700
being you know that has been going on uh

5140
03:29:33,889 --> 03:29:31,859
but at the moment I mean this the

5141
03:29:37,250 --> 03:29:33,899
scientists from Neuroscience actually

5142
03:29:39,830 --> 03:29:37,260
are of the opinion that that

5143
03:29:42,110 --> 03:29:39,840
entanglement does not have a big role to

5144
03:29:44,150 --> 03:29:42,120
play and they may be wrong just because

5145
03:29:46,670 --> 03:29:44,160
of the coherence effects

5146
03:29:48,889 --> 03:29:46,680
yeah I'm sorry I meant the connections

5147
03:29:50,990 --> 03:29:48,899
between particles not connection between

5148
03:29:54,229 --> 03:29:51,000
our Consciousness and entangled

5149
03:29:57,469 --> 03:29:54,239
particles ah yeah and before you answer

5150
03:29:59,630 --> 03:29:57,479
that Professor Dan has to get going so

5151
03:30:03,250 --> 03:29:59,640
Dan thank you so much for for being here

5152
03:30:06,710 --> 03:30:03,260
I appreciate it and there's the signals

5153
03:30:08,750 --> 03:30:06,720
on screen right now as well as that UFO

5154
03:30:11,870 --> 03:30:08,760
podcast is the podcast Dan's a part of

5155
03:30:13,849 --> 03:30:11,880
and there's also a fundraiser if I'm not

5156
03:30:15,710 --> 03:30:13,859
mistaken

5157
03:30:17,570 --> 03:30:15,720
yeah that's right so so we're doing a

5158
03:30:18,950 --> 03:30:17,580
fundraiser where you can win

5159
03:30:20,690 --> 03:30:18,960
um a whole bunch of different prizes

5160
03:30:23,450 --> 03:30:20,700
some really awesome ones but the top

5161
03:30:26,870 --> 03:30:23,460
prize is a call with lu Elizondo himself

5162
03:30:30,290 --> 03:30:26,880
um so the URL for that is tinyurl.com if

5163
03:30:31,550 --> 03:30:30,300
you need forward slash UAP media raffle

5164
03:30:34,130 --> 03:30:31,560
um and that will be drawn you've got

5165
03:30:36,349 --> 03:30:34,140
until March so there's plenty of time

5166
03:30:37,910 --> 03:30:36,359
um so yeah to help out two great hoses

5167
03:30:39,830 --> 03:30:37,920
uh it's for the Humane Society

5168
03:30:41,510 --> 03:30:39,840
International and cash flow kids in the

5169
03:30:43,729 --> 03:30:41,520
UK which really directly help families

5170
03:30:45,950 --> 03:30:43,739
around this time of year so both really

5171
03:30:47,389 --> 03:30:45,960
good courses so any any entries that are

5172
03:30:48,950 --> 03:30:47,399
appreciated but

5173
03:30:50,870 --> 03:30:48,960
I just wanted to say thank you so much

5174
03:30:53,389 --> 03:30:50,880
to everyone for helping me Christina you

5175
03:30:56,150 --> 03:30:53,399
smashed hosting so uh Jack lovely to

5176
03:30:57,349 --> 03:30:56,160
meet you bonado amazingly provoking

5177
03:30:59,210 --> 03:30:57,359
points

5178
03:31:00,650 --> 03:30:59,220
um answers and Tony I think this is the

5179
03:31:01,849 --> 03:31:00,660
first time we've met but it's amazing to

5180
03:31:04,250 --> 03:31:01,859
finally connect

5181
03:31:06,110 --> 03:31:04,260
um ashtaker I wish I had more time to

5182
03:31:08,030 --> 03:31:06,120
kind of listen you talk it's fascinating

5183
03:31:10,370 --> 03:31:08,040
and Kevin

5184
03:31:11,750 --> 03:31:10,380
I think I've hit about 20 hours of

5185
03:31:13,130 --> 03:31:11,760
listening to you give lectures and I

5186
03:31:14,690 --> 03:31:13,140
know everyone here is in for an absolute

5187
03:31:16,370 --> 03:31:14,700
treat with you just coming in so thank

5188
03:31:17,690 --> 03:31:16,380
you for your work and thank you for

5189
03:31:19,969 --> 03:31:17,700
putting this together

5190
03:31:23,570 --> 03:31:19,979
have a great New Year everyone

5191
03:31:27,469 --> 03:31:25,670
bye-bye sorry Professor astric are you

5192
03:31:29,389 --> 03:31:27,479
were in the middle and then also Kevin

5193
03:31:31,610 --> 03:31:29,399
just something to chew on in the media

5194
03:31:33,769 --> 03:31:31,620
in the meantime is the question which

5195
03:31:37,490 --> 03:31:33,779
I'm taking from Christina of what is it

5196
03:31:38,690 --> 03:31:37,500
about 2022 that is at the Forefront of

5197
03:31:40,670 --> 03:31:38,700
your mind

5198
03:31:45,530 --> 03:31:40,680
so what strikes you as something that's

5199
03:31:50,210 --> 03:31:47,990
yes not for that question but for

5200
03:31:52,630 --> 03:31:50,220
answering Tony's question

5201
03:31:54,710 --> 03:31:52,640
yeah so told this question was about uh

5202
03:31:57,410 --> 03:31:54,720
entanglement of actual particles is that

5203
03:32:02,750 --> 03:32:00,950
I was I was asking is there is the

5204
03:32:04,490 --> 03:32:02,760
current you know schema to think that

5205
03:32:07,010 --> 03:32:04,500
there are actual physical connections

5206
03:32:10,790 --> 03:32:07,020
between entangled articles or I guess

5207
03:32:12,290 --> 03:32:10,800
this is really directed at the woo I I

5208
03:32:15,830 --> 03:32:12,300
would like to get back to more of a

5209
03:32:18,290 --> 03:32:15,840
physical science than a physics science

5210
03:32:20,210 --> 03:32:18,300
you know no yeah that's right so the

5211
03:32:21,650 --> 03:32:20,220
entitlement actually is real and there

5212
03:32:24,050 --> 03:32:21,660
is no question about it and that

5213
03:32:26,990 --> 03:32:24,060
actually that that can be Quantum

5214
03:32:29,450 --> 03:32:27,000
entangled or kilometer scales and this

5215
03:32:31,490 --> 03:32:29,460
is I mean the person answered the

5216
03:32:33,229 --> 03:32:31,500
Christina's question was one of the

5217
03:32:34,550 --> 03:32:33,239
exciting things for me was this Nobel

5218
03:32:37,250 --> 03:32:34,560
Prize which was given for Quantum

5219
03:32:39,229 --> 03:32:37,260
information and particularly for Antoine

5220
03:32:42,650 --> 03:32:39,239
ziding there who was the first person to

5221
03:32:44,690 --> 03:32:42,660
really push these things I mean not

5222
03:32:46,429 --> 03:32:44,700
entanglement but the technological

5223
03:32:48,170 --> 03:32:46,439
aspects of an attacker meant to showing

5224
03:32:51,290 --> 03:32:48,180
that in fact this thing doesn't really

5225
03:32:52,969 --> 03:32:51,300
exists or several kilometers you know

5226
03:32:56,389 --> 03:32:52,979
that is actually being used for things

5227
03:32:58,250 --> 03:32:56,399
like you know this course for for

5228
03:33:00,590 --> 03:32:58,260
banking systems so it's actually

5229
03:33:03,229 --> 03:33:00,600
actually has had because it can go

5230
03:33:05,330 --> 03:33:03,239
kilometers so it is like I mean it's

5231
03:33:07,490 --> 03:33:05,340
real there's just no question about it

5232
03:33:10,130 --> 03:33:07,500
and thank you may be physical particles

5233
03:33:14,809 --> 03:33:10,140
is absolutely real and it's even finding

5234
03:33:18,889 --> 03:33:16,130
so Kevin

5235
03:33:20,330 --> 03:33:18,899
what so Professor knuth what what about

5236
03:33:24,469 --> 03:33:20,340
2022

5237
03:33:29,510 --> 03:33:26,570
I think the most memorable thing is the

5238
03:33:33,110 --> 03:33:29,520
fact that there are now a large number

5239
03:33:34,490 --> 03:33:33,120
of scientific groups or scientists

5240
03:33:36,710 --> 03:33:34,500
groups of scientists that are studying

5241
03:33:39,889 --> 03:33:36,720
uaps and

5242
03:33:41,809 --> 03:33:39,899
and we are to some degree working

5243
03:33:43,969 --> 03:33:41,819
together we

5244
03:33:46,250 --> 03:33:43,979
you know many of us know each other and

5245
03:33:49,309 --> 03:33:46,260
and talk to each other and have you know

5246
03:33:50,990 --> 03:33:49,319
well before these groups were set up and

5247
03:33:53,269 --> 03:33:51,000
and some of us are just meeting each

5248
03:33:54,050 --> 03:33:53,279
other for the first time now so um this

5249
03:33:57,469 --> 03:33:54,060
is

5250
03:33:59,570 --> 03:33:57,479
I think they that you have uh a

5251
03:34:03,110 --> 03:33:59,580
Groundswell you have

5252
03:34:06,290 --> 03:34:03,120
a significant change and

5253
03:34:08,809 --> 03:34:06,300
this is now pretty much what I would

5254
03:34:11,090 --> 03:34:08,819
think to be unstoppable

5255
03:34:13,010 --> 03:34:11,100
um the study of these objects or

5256
03:34:14,269 --> 03:34:13,020
phenomena

5257
03:34:15,590 --> 03:34:14,279
um you know there's always a concern

5258
03:34:18,469 --> 03:34:15,600
that

5259
03:34:20,630 --> 03:34:18,479
oh the you know the US government will

5260
03:34:22,309 --> 03:34:20,640
lock down and they'll stop disclosing

5261
03:34:23,809 --> 03:34:22,319
information or you know and we keep

5262
03:34:25,610 --> 03:34:23,819
worrying about disclosure but I don't

5263
03:34:27,889 --> 03:34:25,620
think disclosure matters anymore I think

5264
03:34:30,650 --> 03:34:27,899
it it now is up to

5265
03:34:32,990 --> 03:34:30,660
up to scientists to study these things

5266
03:34:35,510 --> 03:34:33,000
is real phenomena and

5267
03:34:38,090 --> 03:34:35,520
and learn about them find out what they

5268
03:34:39,950 --> 03:34:38,100
are and how they work and I think that's

5269
03:34:41,570 --> 03:34:39,960
that's happening and it's and the number

5270
03:34:45,349 --> 03:34:41,580
of people are growing

5271
03:34:48,889 --> 03:34:45,359
our uapx team we I think we added four

5272
03:34:51,170 --> 03:34:48,899
or five new scientists this year so it's

5273
03:34:53,990 --> 03:34:51,180
um and probably going to add even more

5274
03:34:54,000 --> 03:34:59,269
congrats man

5275
03:35:05,210 --> 03:35:02,510
oh all right

5276
03:35:08,030 --> 03:35:05,220
okay let's be let's just

5277
03:35:09,349 --> 03:35:08,040
oh all right that's fine that's also an

5278
03:35:11,870 --> 03:35:09,359
option

5279
03:35:14,330 --> 03:35:11,880
so let's talk about

5280
03:35:18,889 --> 03:35:14,340
something light-hearted what what is it

5281
03:35:21,550 --> 03:35:18,899
that you do Kevin for just for fun and

5282
03:35:23,630 --> 03:35:21,560
and same Bernardo and Tony I'm curious

5283
03:35:26,030 --> 03:35:23,640
for fun

5284
03:35:28,790 --> 03:35:26,040
yeah that has nothing to do because

5285
03:35:30,469 --> 03:35:28,800
often we'll say well yeah we can there

5286
03:35:33,110 --> 03:35:30,479
are many hobbies that we do

5287
03:35:34,010 --> 03:35:33,120
to disengage but the point was in order

5288
03:35:38,389 --> 03:35:34,020
to

5289
03:35:40,190 --> 03:35:38,399
well that's like we're taking time off

5290
03:35:42,910 --> 03:35:40,200
work in order to work so I'm not

5291
03:35:45,950 --> 03:35:42,920
counting that just your vices

5292
03:35:48,830 --> 03:35:45,960
right oh I see

5293
03:35:53,269 --> 03:35:48,840
um I love I like to

5294
03:35:55,190 --> 03:35:53,279
uh restore and identify ancient coins

5295
03:35:57,050 --> 03:35:55,200
like Roman coins and Greek coins that's

5296
03:35:58,610 --> 03:35:57,060
a hobby that I have that's

5297
03:36:01,030 --> 03:35:58,620
relaxing

5298
03:36:05,090 --> 03:36:01,040
and collecting them too like like

5299
03:36:07,130 --> 03:36:05,100
collect them and yeah I typically

5300
03:36:10,370 --> 03:36:07,140
um get unclean ones so they're horribly

5301
03:36:12,769 --> 03:36:10,380
dirty with 2 000 years of crud on them

5302
03:36:15,889 --> 03:36:12,779
and and then you work to clean them and

5303
03:36:18,710 --> 03:36:15,899
restore them and and find that

5304
03:36:20,929 --> 03:36:18,720
relaxing and fun and it's fun when you

5305
03:36:22,790 --> 03:36:20,939
you know realize that you could actually

5306
03:36:25,849 --> 03:36:22,800
figure out what the coin is where it's

5307
03:36:27,769 --> 03:36:25,859
from who who's on it and all of this and

5308
03:36:30,469 --> 03:36:27,779
then then actually doing so is also fun

5309
03:36:32,450 --> 03:36:30,479
it's a bit of detective work so that's a

5310
03:36:34,429 --> 03:36:32,460
fun thing that I do

5311
03:36:35,809 --> 03:36:34,439
yeah the other thing is I do is I'm

5312
03:36:39,889 --> 03:36:35,819
working to build

5313
03:36:43,309 --> 03:36:39,899
um my own astromeicroid like a large

5314
03:36:47,870 --> 03:36:43,319
life size if you will R2D2 like building

5315
03:36:50,210 --> 03:36:47,880
my own oh Droid Droid so so I work on

5316
03:36:52,910 --> 03:36:50,220
him as well and so

5317
03:36:54,830 --> 03:36:52,920
do you like the Mandalorian or any of

5318
03:36:57,290 --> 03:36:54,840
the new Star Wars shows on Disney oh and

5319
03:37:02,150 --> 03:36:57,300
it was fantastic I Thought I Loved I

5320
03:37:07,610 --> 03:37:04,550
Tony what's your answer

5321
03:37:11,510 --> 03:37:07,620
uh I think um I love this idea of trying

5322
03:37:13,070 --> 03:37:11,520
to I just turned 60 in October and I'm I

5323
03:37:14,809 --> 03:37:13,080
guess we all go through the space where

5324
03:37:16,790 --> 03:37:14,819
we want to kind of document our life for

5325
03:37:19,130 --> 03:37:16,800
our children I do because when I was

5326
03:37:20,929 --> 03:37:19,140
growing up my parents weren't very like

5327
03:37:22,550 --> 03:37:20,939
they were very Elusive and I didn't

5328
03:37:25,070 --> 03:37:22,560
learn anything about some of their past

5329
03:37:26,450 --> 03:37:25,080
and feel like late in life so I'm

5330
03:37:28,969 --> 03:37:26,460
writing this book called The Artisan

5331
03:37:30,349 --> 03:37:28,979
philosophy and it'll be out in January

5332
03:37:32,090 --> 03:37:30,359
I've been working on it for like seven

5333
03:37:35,590 --> 03:37:32,100
years and here's a picture I'll share

5334
03:37:38,710 --> 03:37:35,600
it's me on a roof in

5335
03:37:41,570 --> 03:37:38,720
1979. yeah it's getting

5336
03:37:43,130 --> 03:37:41,580
removed so I'm ready to put it in front

5337
03:37:46,790 --> 03:37:43,140
of me don't just hold it over your body

5338
03:37:49,130 --> 03:37:46,800
yeah here we go it's more like a a

5339
03:37:51,530 --> 03:37:49,140
picture book of um

5340
03:37:54,229 --> 03:37:51,540
you know of the past and some of the

5341
03:37:54,840 --> 03:37:54,239
history local history and uh then it

5342
03:37:55,550 --> 03:37:54,850
goes into

5343
03:37:56,570 --> 03:37:55,560
[Music]

5344
03:38:00,889 --> 03:37:56,580
um

5345
03:38:04,130 --> 03:38:00,899
how how we've lost the uh the uh idea of

5346
03:38:06,229 --> 03:38:04,140
mentorship and apprenticeships and how

5347
03:38:07,729 --> 03:38:06,239
you know people I think if have a

5348
03:38:10,370 --> 03:38:07,739
certain skill level when they get my age

5349
03:38:13,429 --> 03:38:10,380
let's just start mentoring young younger

5350
03:38:14,690 --> 03:38:13,439
people and inspiring them to become you

5351
03:38:16,849 --> 03:38:14,700
know

5352
03:38:20,690 --> 03:38:16,859
that they can become successful and

5353
03:38:22,550 --> 03:38:20,700
happy and just normal jobs you know I

5354
03:38:24,410 --> 03:38:22,560
started off as a child playing with

5355
03:38:26,809 --> 03:38:24,420
talking trucks and now I'm a design

5356
03:38:28,190 --> 03:38:26,819
build contractor and I'm very happy so

5357
03:38:29,630 --> 03:38:28,200
I'm just trying to learn how to write

5358
03:38:32,929 --> 03:38:29,640
it's kind of funny you mentioned chat

5359
03:38:34,610 --> 03:38:32,939
GPT earlier I took a couple of

5360
03:38:36,889 --> 03:38:34,620
paragraphs of my book and put it in

5361
03:38:41,030 --> 03:38:36,899
there and it slaughtered it and so now

5362
03:38:42,769 --> 03:38:41,040
I'm all worried that I'm concerned about

5363
03:38:45,110 --> 03:38:42,779
it anyway I was just kind of kidding

5364
03:38:47,030 --> 03:38:45,120
around about that but yeah I'm trying to

5365
03:38:49,190 --> 03:38:47,040
learn how to write to be honest with you

5366
03:38:51,290 --> 03:38:49,200
that's a hobby turn to learn how to

5367
03:38:52,910 --> 03:38:51,300
write yeah I'm trying to I'm writing

5368
03:38:57,940 --> 03:38:52,920
this book and I'm not a very good writer

5369
03:39:05,389 --> 03:39:00,790
[Music]

5370
03:39:07,429 --> 03:39:05,399
I love building 8-bit computers from

5371
03:39:09,590 --> 03:39:07,439
scratch

5372
03:39:12,229 --> 03:39:09,600
yeah I do about one a year

5373
03:39:14,690 --> 03:39:12,239
open source so it gets picked up by

5374
03:39:16,610 --> 03:39:14,700
companies and the latest one was just

5375
03:39:18,650 --> 03:39:16,620
picked up by a company from Eastern

5376
03:39:19,550 --> 03:39:18,660
Europe called olimax they are selling it

5377
03:39:22,070 --> 03:39:19,560
now

5378
03:39:23,290 --> 03:39:22,080
I restore very old compute actually I

5379
03:39:27,349 --> 03:39:23,300
can show you

5380
03:39:28,729 --> 03:39:27,359
uh let me see if I if it will work do

5381
03:39:30,410 --> 03:39:28,739
you see a computer more or less in the

5382
03:39:31,690 --> 03:39:30,420
center of the screen right now in the

5383
03:39:36,590 --> 03:39:31,700
shadow

5384
03:39:39,410 --> 03:39:36,600
that is a q1 computer

5385
03:39:41,530 --> 03:39:39,420
it's the q1s were the first

5386
03:39:44,090 --> 03:39:41,540
microcomputers in other words

5387
03:39:46,130 --> 03:39:44,100
self-contained Computing systems with a

5388
03:39:49,250 --> 03:39:46,140
microprocessor inside they came out in

5389
03:39:52,070 --> 03:39:49,260
December of 72 and there are three or

5390
03:39:55,729 --> 03:39:52,080
four surviving units one of them you'd

5391
03:39:58,190 --> 03:39:55,739
have just seen and I am reverse

5392
03:40:01,130 --> 03:39:58,200
engineering documenting and restoring it

5393
03:40:03,410 --> 03:40:01,140
in a collaboration across three museums

5394
03:40:05,269 --> 03:40:03,420
one in Sweden one in Germany one here in

5395
03:40:06,650 --> 03:40:05,279
the Netherlands I I volunteer for the

5396
03:40:09,710 --> 03:40:06,660
one in the Netherlands

5397
03:40:11,809 --> 03:40:09,720
and um and this year I'm building

5398
03:40:15,650 --> 03:40:11,819
um a mini computer

5399
03:40:17,630 --> 03:40:15,660
using now those Old 74 logic chips which

5400
03:40:19,849 --> 03:40:17,640
are like the little building blocks of

5401
03:40:21,530 --> 03:40:19,859
the original I I can show you but I I

5402
03:40:24,050 --> 03:40:21,540
have I have to go to my workbench back

5403
03:40:26,570 --> 03:40:24,060
here to pick it up but um it has

5404
03:40:28,510 --> 03:40:26,580
hundreds of chips four different cards

5405
03:40:30,710 --> 03:40:28,520
just for fun

5406
03:40:35,530 --> 03:40:30,720
I'll turn off my camera for a second

5407
03:40:40,729 --> 03:40:38,030
all right I'm gonna let in

5408
03:40:45,729 --> 03:40:40,739
Anthony mativier

5409
03:40:51,729 --> 03:40:48,830
good to see you it's been how long

5410
03:40:54,889 --> 03:40:51,739
well definitely long

5411
03:40:58,670 --> 03:40:54,899
longer than short that's for sure

5412
03:41:01,130 --> 03:40:58,680
so I'm gonna place the links to your

5413
03:41:03,550 --> 03:41:01,140
memory detective in the in the

5414
03:41:06,650 --> 03:41:03,560
description and just for people

5415
03:41:08,210 --> 03:41:06,660
Anthony's a memory expert so if you have

5416
03:41:10,370 --> 03:41:08,220
any questions about how do you increase

5417
03:41:12,170 --> 03:41:10,380
your memory or you want to memorize some

5418
03:41:14,929 --> 03:41:12,180
set of facts or some

5419
03:41:16,969 --> 03:41:14,939
I don't know a ritual whatever it is you

5420
03:41:18,469 --> 03:41:16,979
can you can place those questions I will

5421
03:41:21,050 --> 03:41:18,479
help you stick it

5422
03:41:24,050 --> 03:41:21,060
I need that great okay Bernardo

5423
03:41:26,870 --> 03:41:24,060
sorry this one I just finished the

5424
03:41:28,969 --> 03:41:26,880
computer has five boards

5425
03:41:31,010 --> 03:41:28,979
this is the control board it's the most

5426
03:41:34,370 --> 03:41:31,020
important one

5427
03:41:37,450 --> 03:41:34,380
I just finished two days ago

5428
03:41:41,330 --> 03:41:37,460
then this is the addressing logic board

5429
03:41:45,469 --> 03:41:41,340
here yeah cool cool

5430
03:41:48,370 --> 03:41:45,479
and then oops oh no oh shoot oh I'm

5431
03:41:51,590 --> 03:41:48,380
sorry Bernardo dude

5432
03:41:55,070 --> 03:41:51,600
good job that's a good one man and the

5433
03:41:58,610 --> 03:41:55,080
final one the ALU board so this is what

5434
03:42:01,490 --> 03:41:58,620
I've been doing for fun

5435
03:42:03,229 --> 03:42:01,500
great man

5436
03:42:04,849 --> 03:42:03,239
okay well we'll talk after Bernardo

5437
03:42:06,229 --> 03:42:04,859
because I need some I have some

5438
03:42:08,510 --> 03:42:06,239
questions about that no that's it it's

5439
03:42:11,269 --> 03:42:08,520
just an old-fashioned mini computer with

5440
03:42:13,490 --> 03:42:11,279
a custom risk CPU that's and everything

5441
03:42:16,010 --> 03:42:13,500
that you do that's for fun is something

5442
03:42:17,690 --> 03:42:16,020
I consider that to be cerebral maybe you

5443
03:42:19,309 --> 03:42:17,700
consider that to be more bodily because

5444
03:42:21,110 --> 03:42:19,319
you're now like a carpenter where you

5445
03:42:23,510 --> 03:42:21,120
can you don't have to think much as

5446
03:42:25,070 --> 03:42:23,520
you're creating it yeah I can I can

5447
03:42:27,349 --> 03:42:25,080
measure the signal with an oscilloscope

5448
03:42:30,290 --> 03:42:27,359
I see what it is I use a Multimeter I

5449
03:42:31,250 --> 03:42:30,300
probe and I see and I and and the

5450
03:42:33,050 --> 03:42:31,260
wonderful thing about Computer

5451
03:42:36,710 --> 03:42:33,060
Engineering which we don't have in

5452
03:42:38,990 --> 03:42:36,720
philosophy yet is that your is

5453
03:42:41,990 --> 03:42:39,000
short-lived if you do something wrong it

5454
03:42:44,870 --> 03:42:42,000
doesn't work that's it it's the end of

5455
03:42:47,150 --> 03:42:44,880
that story one philosophy people insist

5456
03:42:51,250 --> 03:42:47,160
on their for an entire career

5457
03:42:54,229 --> 03:42:51,260
because there is no immediate and and in

5458
03:42:57,530 --> 03:42:54,239
controversial way to just say this is

5459
03:43:00,050 --> 03:42:57,540
nonsense stop it move on abandon it it

5460
03:43:01,849 --> 03:43:00,060
doesn't work and and and computer

5461
03:43:05,889 --> 03:43:01,859
engineering is very grounding for a

5462
03:43:11,510 --> 03:43:09,769
so Christina has to get going in just a

5463
03:43:14,210 --> 03:43:11,520
few moments Christina I want to say

5464
03:43:16,550 --> 03:43:14,220
thank you so much for for being here and

5465
03:43:18,769 --> 03:43:16,560
co-hosting a bit

5466
03:43:20,750 --> 03:43:18,779
thank you so much for the opportunity to

5467
03:43:22,670 --> 03:43:20,760
be and to help you co-host as well that

5468
03:43:26,150 --> 03:43:22,680
I think that's a it's off my bucket list

5469
03:43:28,790 --> 03:43:26,160
of things to do but but thank you

5470
03:43:31,490 --> 03:43:28,800
um for bringing so many Brilliant Minds

5471
03:43:33,469 --> 03:43:31,500
in this eight hour show which again is

5472
03:43:35,809 --> 03:43:33,479
insane like that that's a lot of

5473
03:43:38,210 --> 03:43:35,819
dedication right there but I am so

5474
03:43:40,490 --> 03:43:38,220
grateful to to be a part of it so thank

5475
03:43:43,130 --> 03:43:40,500
you so much um for those that are

5476
03:43:46,429 --> 03:43:43,140
interested you can find me on YouTube at

5477
03:43:49,429 --> 03:43:46,439
Christina Gomez no h or on my website at

5478
03:43:52,010 --> 03:43:49,439
strangeparadigms.com

5479
03:43:54,410 --> 03:43:52,020
thank you and the links to all that will

5480
03:43:55,969 --> 03:43:54,420
be in the description okay now Anthony

5481
03:43:57,889 --> 03:43:55,979
you just came in please introduce

5482
03:44:00,110 --> 03:43:57,899
yourself if you don't mind

5483
03:44:01,910 --> 03:44:00,120
I'm so bad at introducing myself because

5484
03:44:04,370 --> 03:44:01,920
I'm the guy who's working on having no

5485
03:44:06,349 --> 03:44:04,380
self as scientifically and

5486
03:44:08,929 --> 03:44:06,359
philosophically as possible

5487
03:44:11,030 --> 03:44:08,939
because uh to sort of follow on what

5488
03:44:12,650 --> 03:44:11,040
Bernardo just said there I think that's

5489
03:44:16,130 --> 03:44:12,660
absolutely right but the thing about

5490
03:44:17,690 --> 03:44:16,140
philosophy at least as I construct it

5491
03:44:19,790 --> 03:44:17,700
or have learned to construct it probably

5492
03:44:21,889 --> 03:44:19,800
better said is it's the thing that we do

5493
03:44:23,750 --> 03:44:21,899
when we don't have science and a lot of

5494
03:44:26,030 --> 03:44:23,760
philosophers just kind of forget that is

5495
03:44:27,830 --> 03:44:26,040
that you know there's things that

5496
03:44:30,290 --> 03:44:27,840
science can do and then it doesn't need

5497
03:44:34,910 --> 03:44:30,300
to be philosophized about anymore so to

5498
03:44:37,670 --> 03:44:34,920
speak so anyway I try to in my work uh

5499
03:44:40,130 --> 03:44:37,680
do that sort of analysis like where is

5500
03:44:43,190 --> 03:44:40,140
the memory philosophy where's the memory

5501
03:44:45,229 --> 03:44:43,200
science where is some sort of absence of

5502
03:44:47,809 --> 03:44:45,239
the scientific answer for what memory is

5503
03:44:50,750 --> 03:44:47,819
useful to us where is it that you know

5504
03:44:52,610 --> 03:44:50,760
we could draw some things from rituals

5505
03:44:54,830 --> 03:44:52,620
as you mentioned when you were saying I

5506
03:44:57,110 --> 03:44:54,840
could help you memorize a ritual like

5507
03:44:59,570 --> 03:44:57,120
where might that be useful and how can

5508
03:45:02,210 --> 03:44:59,580
we get the best of all these possible

5509
03:45:04,309 --> 03:45:02,220
worlds expand our working memory so that

5510
03:45:07,309 --> 03:45:04,319
in the present moment we could actually

5511
03:45:10,010 --> 03:45:07,319
juggle as much as possible know our

5512
03:45:12,229 --> 03:45:10,020
memory biases and whatever other biases

5513
03:45:14,210 --> 03:45:12,239
that there are out there and uh or in

5514
03:45:17,030 --> 03:45:14,220
there as the case may be and you know

5515
03:45:19,910 --> 03:45:17,040
live the best possible life because of

5516
03:45:21,790 --> 03:45:19,920
working on our memory with a deep

5517
03:45:24,769 --> 03:45:21,800
what should I say metacognitive

5518
03:45:27,050 --> 03:45:24,779
awareness of what this thing is that's

5519
03:45:28,790 --> 03:45:27,060
running the different engines if there

5520
03:45:31,849 --> 03:45:28,800
is such a thing and that's what I work

5521
03:45:34,250 --> 03:45:31,859
on and it's just a blast all the time

5522
03:45:36,889 --> 03:45:34,260
so is that an introduction I don't know

5523
03:45:38,809 --> 03:45:36,899
that's wonderful that's wonderful and

5524
03:45:40,070 --> 03:45:38,819
Jack and and so Jack I know that you're

5525
03:45:42,110 --> 03:45:40,080
just here watching but please if you

5526
03:45:44,570 --> 03:45:42,120
have any questions well I actually do it

5527
03:45:45,830 --> 03:45:44,580
for Anthony yeah I was just yeah sorry I

5528
03:45:48,050 --> 03:45:45,840
just popped up

5529
03:45:50,929 --> 03:45:48,060
um so

5530
03:45:53,929 --> 03:45:50,939
um it's about memory and I heard John

5531
03:45:56,090 --> 03:45:53,939
profaky oh I sadly missed because I was

5532
03:45:57,650 --> 03:45:56,100
here later than he was yeah I think he

5533
03:46:00,110 --> 03:45:57,660
said something along the lines that we

5534
03:46:00,710 --> 03:46:00,120
do not have um

5535
03:46:03,469 --> 03:46:00,720
um

5536
03:46:05,809 --> 03:46:03,479
there we have the memories is fallible

5537
03:46:08,330 --> 03:46:05,819
that we do not have an exact copy of

5538
03:46:09,889 --> 03:46:08,340
what's happened and that memory is tool

5539
03:46:12,590 --> 03:46:09,899
to predict the future not to accurately

5540
03:46:15,050 --> 03:46:12,600
describe the post is there something you

5541
03:46:17,090 --> 03:46:15,060
can do you seem to be agreeing with me

5542
03:46:20,809 --> 03:46:17,100
already or

5543
03:46:22,849 --> 03:46:20,819
yeah well I mean the the starting Gambit

5544
03:46:25,070 --> 03:46:22,859
is the most

5545
03:46:26,450 --> 03:46:25,080
interesting recent memory science to me

5546
03:46:28,429 --> 03:46:26,460
they want to get rid of the word memory

5547
03:46:30,349 --> 03:46:28,439
it's not sufficient to the Cause right

5548
03:46:33,950 --> 03:46:30,359
there's too much like intrapersonal

5549
03:46:36,590 --> 03:46:33,960
stuff going on and when you mention for

5550
03:46:37,729 --> 03:46:36,600
Becky you know or however I didn't know

5551
03:46:39,229 --> 03:46:37,739
how to pronounce it properly but that's

5552
03:46:40,849 --> 03:46:39,239
already the interesting thing right

5553
03:46:42,170 --> 03:46:40,859
there's so many people pronouncing it

5554
03:46:44,090 --> 03:46:42,180
differently and that says that the

5555
03:46:46,250 --> 03:46:44,100
memory of that guy is not just in my

5556
03:46:47,510 --> 03:46:46,260
head it's in all kinds of heads and then

5557
03:46:49,550 --> 03:46:47,520
we can figure out who we're talking

5558
03:46:51,349 --> 03:46:49,560
about when there's name pronunciation

5559
03:46:54,010 --> 03:46:51,359
stuff so

5560
03:46:56,630 --> 03:46:54,020
memory is just so many different things

5561
03:47:00,170 --> 03:46:56,640
we're Shifting the ways that we talk

5562
03:47:01,490 --> 03:47:00,180
about it as we talk about it and that

5563
03:47:02,929 --> 03:47:01,500
makes my work so exciting because

5564
03:47:05,050 --> 03:47:02,939
sometimes people are saying well I need

5565
03:47:08,090 --> 03:47:05,060
help with this and they're talking about

5566
03:47:10,910 --> 03:47:08,100
semantic memory where semantic memory

5567
03:47:12,769 --> 03:47:10,920
meets I don't know procedural memory or

5568
03:47:14,809 --> 03:47:12,779
other times they're talking about things

5569
03:47:16,790 --> 03:47:14,819
that really aren't memory issues but

5570
03:47:18,769 --> 03:47:16,800
because in their minds they think oh the

5571
03:47:20,690 --> 03:47:18,779
memory guy must be able to talk about

5572
03:47:23,210 --> 03:47:20,700
this really what they're talking about

5573
03:47:25,309 --> 03:47:23,220
is something that maybe touches memory

5574
03:47:26,630 --> 03:47:25,319
because what doesn't but you know I I

5575
03:47:28,969 --> 03:47:26,640
and I just say to them you know that's

5576
03:47:31,370 --> 03:47:28,979
not really a memory issue that's maybe

5577
03:47:33,650 --> 03:47:31,380
something where you got to go and see a

5578
03:47:36,050 --> 03:47:33,660
doctor that was just you know a thing I

5579
03:47:39,349 --> 03:47:36,060
have to do more often than not so I

5580
03:47:42,050 --> 03:47:39,359
didn't hear what uh was said earlier but

5581
03:47:44,090 --> 03:47:42,060
I do think that some of the recent

5582
03:47:46,910 --> 03:47:44,100
memory science is on to something when

5583
03:47:49,790 --> 03:47:46,920
they said we need a better term or a

5584
03:47:51,889 --> 03:47:49,800
broader constellation of terms because

5585
03:47:55,610 --> 03:47:51,899
the word memory is not sufficient to the

5586
03:47:56,990 --> 03:47:55,620
cause of what we're trying to say about

5587
03:48:00,290 --> 03:47:57,000
retention

5588
03:48:01,849 --> 03:48:00,300
and recall essentially

5589
03:48:05,150 --> 03:48:01,859
interesting thank you and thanks for

5590
03:48:07,610 --> 03:48:05,160
being here Anthony oh thank you

5591
03:48:09,469 --> 03:48:07,620
someone wants to know Anthony can you

5592
03:48:13,610 --> 03:48:09,479
introduce memory methods because the

5593
03:48:16,190 --> 03:48:13,620
West is unacquainted and it's very niche

5594
03:48:18,650 --> 03:48:16,200
oh well I mean memory methods really

5595
03:48:21,250 --> 03:48:18,660
come down to

5596
03:48:24,110 --> 03:48:21,260
the idea that you can

5597
03:48:27,469 --> 03:48:24,120
elaborate information in a variety of

5598
03:48:31,550 --> 03:48:27,479
ways that will help it be more memorable

5599
03:48:34,429 --> 03:48:31,560
and just like in a Tai Chi or a Qigong

5600
03:48:37,130 --> 03:48:34,439
or any martial art

5601
03:48:39,250 --> 03:48:37,140
you can go as deep as you want to go in

5602
03:48:43,490 --> 03:48:39,260
terms of how can I elaborate information

5603
03:48:46,010 --> 03:48:43,500
to make it more memorable so one of the

5604
03:48:47,570 --> 03:48:46,020
key historical strategies has been what

5605
03:48:49,610 --> 03:48:47,580
some people call the Memory Palace you

5606
03:48:51,710 --> 03:48:49,620
can call it the journey method you can

5607
03:48:53,929 --> 03:48:51,720
call it song lines you can call it all

5608
03:48:55,610 --> 03:48:53,939
kinds of things but the idea is is your

5609
03:48:58,429 --> 03:48:55,620
first level of elaboration when

5610
03:48:59,570 --> 03:48:58,439
information is incoming is you stick it

5611
03:49:02,389 --> 03:48:59,580
in space

5612
03:49:04,729 --> 03:49:02,399
and if you have developed these things

5613
03:49:07,969 --> 03:49:04,739
called memory palaces in advance you're

5614
03:49:10,550 --> 03:49:07,979
going to be faster at a sort of decision

5615
03:49:12,410 --> 03:49:10,560
Matrix where you're going what is that

5616
03:49:14,210 --> 03:49:12,420
information where am I going to stick it

5617
03:49:16,849 --> 03:49:14,220
and then the next level of elaboration

5618
03:49:19,550 --> 03:49:16,859
would be can I add a kinesthetic layer

5619
03:49:21,590 --> 03:49:19,560
can I add an auditory layer can I add a

5620
03:49:23,389 --> 03:49:21,600
visual layer Etc so if I just look at

5621
03:49:25,429 --> 03:49:23,399
Jack I want to remember Jack I'm

5622
03:49:27,229 --> 03:49:25,439
thinking well I know a guy named Jack

5623
03:49:28,849 --> 03:49:27,239
I'm going to think about his house I'm

5624
03:49:30,910 --> 03:49:28,859
going to have Jack Nicholson in his

5625
03:49:33,889 --> 03:49:30,920
house I'm going to hear his voice

5626
03:49:35,750 --> 03:49:33,899
rattling Batman's cage I'm gonna feel

5627
03:49:38,750 --> 03:49:35,760
that weird little thing that he had in

5628
03:49:40,910 --> 03:49:38,760
his hand in the uh Batman movie with

5629
03:49:44,210 --> 03:49:40,920
that Tim Burton made right and I'm gonna

5630
03:49:46,309 --> 03:49:44,220
think of the concept of crime genre meet

5631
03:49:48,410 --> 03:49:46,319
superhero and all this stuff right I'm

5632
03:49:51,050 --> 03:49:48,420
just elaborating it this is this happens

5633
03:49:53,210 --> 03:49:51,060
a lot faster in the memory Champion's

5634
03:49:56,090 --> 03:49:53,220
head than it does uh to speak it out

5635
03:49:58,070 --> 03:49:56,100
loud but I'm not gonna forget Jack right

5636
03:50:00,650 --> 03:49:58,080
I can do that with mega stone toppo

5637
03:50:05,090 --> 03:50:00,660
cementa garcori just as easily as I can

5638
03:50:06,889 --> 03:50:05,100
do it with a string of digits Etc and uh

5639
03:50:09,110 --> 03:50:06,899
some of us get really nerdy about it I

5640
03:50:11,870 --> 03:50:09,120
just interviewed yesterday John Graham

5641
03:50:14,030 --> 03:50:11,880
who won the 2022 memory championship USA

5642
03:50:16,130 --> 03:50:14,040
memory champion chip and he had won the

5643
03:50:18,170 --> 03:50:16,140
2018 memory Championship I don't know

5644
03:50:20,630 --> 03:50:18,180
exactly how it happens but he said that

5645
03:50:23,090 --> 03:50:20,640
I was his mentor on that first win and

5646
03:50:24,530 --> 03:50:23,100
uh he's just an amazing guy and all that

5647
03:50:26,690 --> 03:50:24,540
stuff that I just said about feeling the

5648
03:50:29,090 --> 03:50:26,700
buzzer in the Tim Burton movie and all

5649
03:50:30,410 --> 03:50:29,100
that stuff he's like dude you explain it

5650
03:50:32,090 --> 03:50:30,420
better than I ever could but that's

5651
03:50:34,190 --> 03:50:32,100
exactly what happens when I sit there

5652
03:50:34,849 --> 03:50:34,200
and win these competitions and I was

5653
03:50:36,950 --> 03:50:34,859
like

5654
03:50:39,110 --> 03:50:36,960
good I guess I'm doing my work properly

5655
03:50:41,090 --> 03:50:39,120
then but you know it's coaching effect

5656
03:50:42,530 --> 03:50:41,100
right sometimes the coaches can

5657
03:50:46,070 --> 03:50:42,540
enunciate

5658
03:50:48,050 --> 03:50:46,080
better than the the star athletes which

5659
03:50:50,030 --> 03:50:48,060
you know I've competed and I've done

5660
03:50:52,250 --> 03:50:50,040
okay but uh I can't do as well as he

5661
03:50:53,630 --> 03:50:52,260
does but I can he says I can explain it

5662
03:50:55,550 --> 03:50:53,640
better than you can still it's a win

5663
03:50:56,269 --> 03:50:55,560
without conducted yesterday it's on your

5664
03:50:59,150 --> 03:50:56,279
Channel

5665
03:51:01,010 --> 03:50:59,160
sorry no I just remembered yesterday I

5666
03:51:04,849 --> 03:51:01,020
just recorded it it should be next week

5667
03:51:08,990 --> 03:51:06,950
Jack but anyway yeah I mean that that's

5668
03:51:10,849 --> 03:51:09,000
the core of it we can go on into

5669
03:51:12,229 --> 03:51:10,859
how the layers of elaboration work but

5670
03:51:13,550 --> 03:51:12,239
there's also see the thing that's

5671
03:51:15,050 --> 03:51:13,560
missing in a lot of the ancient

5672
03:51:17,150 --> 03:51:15,060
tradition is a

5673
03:51:19,490 --> 03:51:17,160
uh well it's not missing it's there but

5674
03:51:21,830 --> 03:51:19,500
it's not enunciated as much as I've

5675
03:51:23,330 --> 03:51:21,840
enunciated it and the memory Champions

5676
03:51:25,130 --> 03:51:23,340
don't enunciate it because memory

5677
03:51:26,690 --> 03:51:25,140
Champions tend to memorize information

5678
03:51:29,150 --> 03:51:26,700
so they can win the prize and then they

5679
03:51:30,650 --> 03:51:29,160
forget all this stuff right so what we

5680
03:51:33,170 --> 03:51:30,660
need is

5681
03:51:35,570 --> 03:51:33,180
and what helps me and helps many of the

5682
03:51:37,910 --> 03:51:35,580
people I help is a strategy to use that

5683
03:51:39,650 --> 03:51:37,920
Mary Palace to harness Primacy effect

5684
03:51:42,650 --> 03:51:39,660
recency effects here of positioning

5685
03:51:43,729 --> 03:51:42,660
effect uh fund restaurant effect blah

5686
03:51:46,490 --> 03:51:43,739
blah blah blah there's all kinds of

5687
03:51:47,990 --> 03:51:46,500
Science words and um if you learn this

5688
03:51:51,590 --> 03:51:48,000
simple process and you use the Memory

5689
03:51:54,229 --> 03:51:51,600
Palace in several patterns then your

5690
03:51:56,389 --> 03:51:54,239
speed to getting information into

5691
03:51:58,250 --> 03:51:56,399
long-term memory is going to be faster

5692
03:52:00,010 --> 03:51:58,260
than rote learning some studies show

5693
03:52:02,710 --> 03:52:00,020
it's like 88 percent

5694
03:52:05,150 --> 03:52:02,720
retention rates as opposed to like 24

5695
03:52:06,710 --> 03:52:05,160
obviously studies can do all kinds of

5696
03:52:08,269 --> 03:52:06,720
things they never actually ask the

5697
03:52:10,849 --> 03:52:08,279
questions in the studies that I would if

5698
03:52:12,410 --> 03:52:10,859
I had the budget and uh I I one maybe

5699
03:52:13,670 --> 03:52:12,420
one day I will have a budget to do

5700
03:52:15,469 --> 03:52:13,680
studies that I think would be more

5701
03:52:16,670 --> 03:52:15,479
interesting but nonetheless the

5702
03:52:18,290 --> 03:52:16,680
retention rates when you have

5703
03:52:20,750 --> 03:52:18,300
elaboration and you have some sort of

5704
03:52:23,809 --> 03:52:20,760
recall strategy that is

5705
03:52:26,269 --> 03:52:23,819
that that that as I say harnesses or

5706
03:52:27,590 --> 03:52:26,279
optimizes things like premising and

5707
03:52:29,570 --> 03:52:27,600
recency effect

5708
03:52:31,429 --> 03:52:29,580
it just leads to higher and higher

5709
03:52:33,889 --> 03:52:31,439
retention rates and what I'm most

5710
03:52:36,229 --> 03:52:33,899
excited about is if you're applying that

5711
03:52:37,969 --> 03:52:36,239
to knowledge then you get through

5712
03:52:39,769 --> 03:52:37,979
diffuse thinking and interleaving

5713
03:52:42,769 --> 03:52:39,779
effects and all that kind of stuff you

5714
03:52:44,690 --> 03:52:42,779
get aha moments and insights the only

5715
03:52:46,790 --> 03:52:44,700
problem is is the martial art it's a

5716
03:52:49,429 --> 03:52:46,800
chess like very few people actually want

5717
03:52:51,410 --> 03:52:49,439
to show up and learn it and do it to a

5718
03:52:53,570 --> 03:52:51,420
degree that they would get those effects

5719
03:52:57,769 --> 03:52:53,580
but you know that doesn't stop people

5720
03:53:01,309 --> 03:52:57,779
from teaching chess or martial arts so

5721
03:53:04,010 --> 03:53:01,319
okay well I want to talk to you all for

5722
03:53:05,870 --> 03:53:04,020
so much longer but we have to take about

5723
03:53:08,750 --> 03:53:05,880
15 minute breaks I'm kicking you all out

5724
03:53:10,250 --> 03:53:08,760
it was lovely to see you Kevin sorry I

5725
03:53:12,410 --> 03:53:10,260
didn't get to speak to you for much

5726
03:53:13,670 --> 03:53:12,420
longer I would love to and I'm sure

5727
03:53:15,410 --> 03:53:13,680
we're gonna speak well we're going to

5728
03:53:16,729 --> 03:53:15,420
speak in a few months on the within a

5729
03:53:18,889 --> 03:53:16,739
few months maybe even within one month

5730
03:53:20,870 --> 03:53:18,899
or so on the toe Channel we'll go in

5731
03:53:23,030 --> 03:53:20,880
depth into your your new toe you have a

5732
03:53:25,910 --> 03:53:23,040
toe a theory of everything I'm looking

5733
03:53:27,229 --> 03:53:25,920
forward to delving into that Bernardo as

5734
03:53:30,650 --> 03:53:27,239
always like it's great to have a

5735
03:53:33,290 --> 03:53:30,660
pleasure man and Tony it's great to see

5736
03:53:38,229 --> 03:53:33,300
you jack great to see you Anthony thanks

5737
03:53:41,990 --> 03:53:40,969
thank you

5738
03:53:46,309 --> 03:53:42,000
okay

5739
03:53:50,570 --> 03:53:48,830
thank you everyone briefly Jack I don't

5740
03:53:52,130 --> 03:53:50,580
know what you're doing you gotta move

5741
03:53:53,330 --> 03:53:52,140
that move that hand click on that you

5742
03:53:54,170 --> 03:53:53,340
said you're gonna take this out thank

5743
03:53:57,290 --> 03:53:54,180
you Jack

5744
03:53:59,150 --> 03:53:57,300
thanks well I want you

5745
03:54:01,790 --> 03:53:59,160
I'll kick you out I just feel bad about

5746
03:54:03,830 --> 03:54:01,800
clicking that and saying leave all right

5747
03:54:05,330 --> 03:54:03,840
there we go all right jack it was great

5748
03:54:07,610 --> 03:54:05,340
seeing you Jack

5749
03:54:09,950 --> 03:54:07,620
all right everyone I have to move my

5750
03:54:12,110 --> 03:54:09,960
legs and what's coming up next is Jeremy

5751
03:54:13,610 --> 03:54:12,120
Corbell George Knapp after that I'm

5752
03:54:15,110 --> 03:54:13,620
going to announce the pace One winner so

5753
03:54:17,630 --> 03:54:15,120
that is the physics and Consciousness

5754
03:54:20,210 --> 03:54:17,640
explication contest winners Lily and

5755
03:54:22,250 --> 03:54:20,220
dindo is coming up and she talks about

5756
03:54:25,490 --> 03:54:22,260
ACT therapy or was on about ACT therapy

5757
03:54:28,189 --> 03:54:25,500
so you can look in on that and several

5758
03:54:29,990 --> 03:54:28,199
other guests let's see

5759
03:54:32,210 --> 03:54:30,000
foreign

5760
03:54:34,910 --> 03:54:32,220
Jesse Mitchells is coming up Greg

5761
03:54:38,630 --> 03:54:34,920
Henriques is coming up

5762
03:54:41,570 --> 03:54:38,640
Ross coltart Robert Colm Kelleher

5763
03:54:44,630 --> 03:54:41,580
plenty of people okay see you soon

5764
03:54:46,910 --> 03:54:44,640
okay I can hear the music okay

5765
03:54:48,950 --> 03:54:46,920
let's see

5766
03:54:51,050 --> 03:54:48,960
I think so

5767
03:54:53,150 --> 03:54:51,060
would like to promote the Discord I'll

5768
03:54:55,070 --> 03:54:53,160
leave the Discord again this is a place

5769
03:54:56,510 --> 03:54:55,080
where if you want to converse on Poe's

5770
03:55:00,370 --> 03:54:56,520
theories of everything it's a place to

5771
03:55:02,809 --> 03:55:00,380
go the patreon so that's patreon.com

5772
03:55:05,570 --> 03:55:02,819
if you feel like supporting the show and

5773
03:55:08,389 --> 03:55:05,580
contributing with whatever you can

5774
03:55:10,729 --> 03:55:08,399
there's no obligation it's just if you

5775
03:55:13,370 --> 03:55:10,739
want to contribute then

5776
03:55:16,250 --> 03:55:13,380
and thank you there's also the subreddit

5777
03:55:18,050 --> 03:55:16,260
so it's reddit.com theories of

5778
03:55:20,929 --> 03:55:18,060
everything

5779
03:55:24,189 --> 03:55:20,939
I see you I see you who's in the waiting

5780
03:55:26,630 --> 03:55:24,199
room I'm not gonna announce it I see you

5781
03:55:28,429 --> 03:55:26,640
just give me a moment Jeremy just one

5782
03:55:32,269 --> 03:55:28,439
minute one minute thank you

5783
03:55:36,370 --> 03:55:32,279
oh I just announced it okay well people

5784
03:55:42,170 --> 03:55:39,410
welcome to tonanza welcome Jeremy

5785
03:55:46,010 --> 03:55:42,180
Corbell George Knapp

5786
03:55:47,210 --> 03:55:46,020
how's it going man good to see you good

5787
03:55:51,710 --> 03:55:47,220
to see you

5788
03:55:54,349 --> 03:55:51,720
you and hear you both he'll come in in a

5789
03:55:55,929 --> 03:55:54,359
second yeah sure do I need to click

5790
03:55:58,130 --> 03:55:55,939
something here

5791
03:56:00,410 --> 03:55:58,140
maybe okay I'll let you I'll let you

5792
03:56:02,929 --> 03:56:00,420
figure that out all right

5793
03:56:04,429 --> 03:56:02,939
uh let's see yeah

5794
03:56:05,990 --> 03:56:04,439
so in the meantime how are you doing

5795
03:56:08,330 --> 03:56:06,000
Jeremy how are you doing George George

5796
03:56:11,269 --> 03:56:08,340
is being mysterious over there it looks

5797
03:56:14,110 --> 03:56:11,279
like he's in a in a cloud my face is not

5798
03:56:17,630 --> 03:56:14,120
fit for the camera anyway but

5799
03:56:19,429 --> 03:56:17,640
we have a jockey now here who's on the

5800
03:56:22,429 --> 03:56:19,439
sound board

5801
03:56:24,650 --> 03:56:22,439
nice nice job man good to see you Kurt

5802
03:56:25,849 --> 03:56:24,660
it's good to see you too so great great

5803
03:56:27,530 --> 03:56:25,859
to see you George

5804
03:56:28,969 --> 03:56:27,540
you too

5805
03:56:29,870 --> 03:56:28,979
so just so you know the person on the

5806
03:56:32,450 --> 03:56:29,880
soundboard he said his favorite

5807
03:56:33,889 --> 03:56:32,460
interview of 2022 was yours on the toe

5808
03:56:35,510 --> 03:56:33,899
Channel

5809
03:56:39,950 --> 03:56:35,520
I know he's fighting he slighted me and

5810
03:56:41,689 --> 03:56:39,960
you Jeremy so that's uh okay so it's

5811
03:56:42,889 --> 03:56:41,699
good to be with you Kurt I'm excited

5812
03:56:44,389 --> 03:56:42,899
that you're doing this it's nice to

5813
03:56:46,189 --> 03:56:44,399
bring everybody together around the New

5814
03:56:48,290 --> 03:56:46,199
Year kind of look back at what's

5815
03:56:50,450 --> 03:56:48,300
happened you know with your show with

5816
03:56:52,670 --> 03:56:50,460
your with your podcast and everything

5817
03:56:54,710 --> 03:56:52,680
you've covered but also in the fields

5818
03:56:57,170 --> 03:56:54,720
that you cover such as our favorite

5819
03:57:00,050 --> 03:56:57,180
topic UFOs and I think this is going to

5820
03:57:02,150 --> 03:57:00,060
be what is it exciting 2023 George and I

5821
03:57:04,250 --> 03:57:02,160
have a camera already yeah so what's

5822
03:57:05,450 --> 03:57:04,260
going on in 2023 Jeremy and Jordan

5823
03:57:06,769 --> 03:57:05,460
what's going on what's going on what are

5824
03:57:08,570 --> 03:57:06,779
you looking forward to

5825
03:57:10,550 --> 03:57:08,580
I I'm looking forward to George and I

5826
03:57:12,530 --> 03:57:10,560
have some stuff coming out a lot of

5827
03:57:14,510 --> 03:57:12,540
stuff we've covered that we're going to

5828
03:57:18,170 --> 03:57:14,520
be able to reveal a lot more information

5829
03:57:19,849 --> 03:57:18,180
on Direct witness testimony just you're

5830
03:57:21,229 --> 03:57:19,859
gonna hear from people that you wouldn't

5831
03:57:23,929 --> 03:57:21,239
expect you'd be able to hear from stuff

5832
03:57:25,610 --> 03:57:23,939
George and I have talked about but now

5833
03:57:28,790 --> 03:57:25,620
you get to hear directly from those

5834
03:57:30,889 --> 03:57:28,800
individuals so I know in January that

5835
03:57:32,870 --> 03:57:30,899
the UFO subject is going to blow up

5836
03:57:36,309 --> 03:57:32,880
again because new information will be

5837
03:57:41,510 --> 03:57:39,229
this was an exciting year the end of the

5838
03:57:43,910 --> 03:57:41,520
year the signing of the ndaa and and

5839
03:57:46,010 --> 03:57:43,920
what that means uh moving forward I mean

5840
03:57:47,870 --> 03:57:46,020
it's great in a sense it's sort of uh to

5841
03:57:49,490 --> 03:57:47,880
coin the old cliche it's sort of the uh

5842
03:57:51,229 --> 03:57:49,500
the end of the beginning not the

5843
03:57:53,330 --> 03:57:51,239
beginning of the end because we're we're

5844
03:57:55,550 --> 03:57:53,340
finally as a society moving toward

5845
03:57:57,710 --> 03:57:55,560
trying to figure out are these real and

5846
03:57:59,689 --> 03:57:57,720
are genuinely asking the question and of

5847
03:58:01,849 --> 03:57:59,699
course Kurt as you have learned the

5848
03:58:04,030 --> 03:58:01,859
answer is yes they are real and now

5849
03:58:08,389 --> 03:58:04,040
maybe you know in the years to come

5850
03:58:10,309 --> 03:58:08,399
Arrow NASA uh various scientific

5851
03:58:12,469 --> 03:58:10,319
organizations that are now openly

5852
03:58:14,630 --> 03:58:12,479
interested in the topic can can it

5853
03:58:17,090 --> 03:58:14,640
address the bigger questions the really

5854
03:58:18,889 --> 03:58:17,100
important ones where are they from why

5855
03:58:20,630 --> 03:58:18,899
are they here who are they what's their

5856
03:58:23,630 --> 03:58:20,640
interest in us you know once we get

5857
03:58:26,090 --> 03:58:23,640
beyond the obvious question that that

5858
03:58:27,950 --> 03:58:26,100
our society has struggled with for 75

5859
03:58:29,809 --> 03:58:27,960
years and we can start digging into the

5860
03:58:32,330 --> 03:58:29,819
good stuff and and the tools are now in

5861
03:58:34,250 --> 03:58:32,340
place to do that uh Jeremy and I are

5862
03:58:37,130 --> 03:58:34,260
aware of some of these whistleblowers

5863
03:58:40,849 --> 03:58:37,140
who've been standing by ready to to

5864
03:58:43,370 --> 03:58:40,859
chime in and tell Congress and others uh

5865
03:58:46,790 --> 03:58:43,380
what they know and in fact we'd know

5866
03:58:49,969 --> 03:58:46,800
that some of them have already done so

5867
03:58:51,830 --> 03:58:49,979
um and when this comes out it's assuming

5868
03:58:54,349 --> 03:58:51,840
it comes out man it's going to be an

5869
03:58:57,229 --> 03:58:54,359
explosion so Kurt what what George is

5870
03:59:00,050 --> 03:58:57,239
talking about is what the The

5871
03:59:02,269 --> 03:59:00,060
Whistleblower protections laws are are

5872
03:59:05,269 --> 03:59:02,279
being implemented for we're talking

5873
03:59:07,250 --> 03:59:05,279
about reverse engineering UFOs we're

5874
03:59:09,710 --> 03:59:07,260
talking about our government physically

5875
03:59:13,189 --> 03:59:09,720
reverse engineering physical Hardware

5876
03:59:16,250 --> 03:59:13,199
that they suspect is from another world

5877
03:59:18,530 --> 03:59:16,260
so we're talking about programs that are

5878
03:59:21,170 --> 03:59:18,540
actively reverse engineering actively

5879
03:59:24,050 --> 03:59:21,180
exploiting these non-terrestrial

5880
03:59:26,330 --> 03:59:24,060
Technologies that's the claim and and

5881
03:59:29,090 --> 03:59:26,340
he's also talking about the idea that

5882
03:59:31,790 --> 03:59:29,100
people have already utilized some of

5883
03:59:35,030 --> 03:59:31,800
these internal mechanisms to establish

5884
03:59:36,650 --> 03:59:35,040
where the hardware is

5885
03:59:38,630 --> 03:59:36,660
so so this is something we have

5886
03:59:40,250 --> 03:59:38,640
knowledge of and we're hoping that this

5887
03:59:42,889 --> 03:59:40,260
gets out to the public because it is

5888
03:59:44,750 --> 03:59:42,899
happening this education is being given

5889
03:59:46,370 --> 03:59:44,760
on the inside

5890
03:59:48,710 --> 03:59:46,380
expand on that point where the hardware

5891
03:59:49,969 --> 03:59:48,720
is expand on that what do you mean I'm

5892
03:59:51,590 --> 03:59:49,979
not I'm not going to expand on that

5893
03:59:53,570 --> 03:59:51,600
right this second but this is something

5894
03:59:55,189 --> 03:59:53,580
that's being told you know within

5895
03:59:57,170 --> 03:59:55,199
Congress within the Senate intelligence

5896
03:59:59,450 --> 03:59:57,180
committee within whistleblowers coming

5897
04:00:01,849 --> 03:59:59,460
forward you know under uh IG

5898
04:00:03,830 --> 04:00:01,859
investigations they're looking into this

5899
04:00:05,750 --> 04:00:03,840
this is something that that George and I

5900
04:00:07,969 --> 04:00:05,760
know for sure is happening the people

5901
04:00:09,590 --> 04:00:07,979
involved all the mechanics of it and we

5902
04:00:11,450 --> 04:00:09,600
we hope it becomes public through the

5903
04:00:14,090 --> 04:00:11,460
through the right channels but I'm just

5904
04:00:15,590 --> 04:00:14,100
it's important for people to know it's

5905
04:00:18,769 --> 04:00:15,600
happening this is not something

5906
04:00:21,229 --> 04:00:18,779
theoretical yeah it's happening I'll

5907
04:00:23,389 --> 04:00:21,239
tell you Kurt my first foray into this

5908
04:00:25,550 --> 04:00:23,399
idea the Preposterous idea that we've

5909
04:00:28,130 --> 04:00:25,560
got craft and materials from some other

5910
04:00:30,530 --> 04:00:28,140
world some other intelligence was 33

5911
04:00:32,330 --> 04:00:30,540
years ago with Bob Bazaar and I know a

5912
04:00:35,030 --> 04:00:32,340
lot of your listeners will have problems

5913
04:00:37,370 --> 04:00:35,040
with Lazar story I don't care anymore I

5914
04:00:39,469 --> 04:00:37,380
I don't care but at the time that I

5915
04:00:42,349 --> 04:00:39,479
proposed that that and and presented

5916
04:00:44,689 --> 04:00:42,359
that information in a new series it was

5917
04:00:47,510 --> 04:00:44,699
ridiculous even among a lot of UFO folks

5918
04:00:49,130 --> 04:00:47,520
not so ridiculous anymore because what

5919
04:00:52,130 --> 04:00:49,140
Jeremy and I have reported over the last

5920
04:00:53,809 --> 04:00:52,140
couple of years is there were Legacy UFO

5921
04:00:55,910 --> 04:00:53,819
programs that have not been made public

5922
04:00:58,729 --> 04:00:55,920
there were efforts to take these

5923
04:01:00,349 --> 04:00:58,739
materials exotic materials of Unknown

5924
04:01:03,050 --> 04:01:00,359
Origin put them in the hands of

5925
04:01:04,729 --> 04:01:03,060
aerospace companies the big players and

5926
04:01:06,889 --> 04:01:04,739
try to figure out how they work and when

5927
04:01:10,429 --> 04:01:06,899
Bob Lazar had that story a long time ago

5928
04:01:13,309 --> 04:01:10,439
uh you know people uh tisk tisk and and

5929
04:01:14,450 --> 04:01:13,319
denied it and and ridiculed it now not

5930
04:01:16,130 --> 04:01:14,460
so much because some of these

5931
04:01:19,130 --> 04:01:16,140
whistleblowers were talking about

5932
04:01:21,290 --> 04:01:19,140
or appearing before Congress now have

5933
04:01:23,570 --> 04:01:21,300
already given statements are there to

5934
04:01:25,189 --> 04:01:23,580
tell them about the Legacy programs that

5935
04:01:26,990 --> 04:01:25,199
they are real that there are these

5936
04:01:28,910 --> 04:01:27,000
exotic materials that reverse

5937
04:01:32,330 --> 04:01:28,920
engineering programs have been underway

5938
04:01:34,429 --> 04:01:32,340
the big question remaining is will the

5939
04:01:36,290 --> 04:01:34,439
public get to know about this and can

5940
04:01:38,389 --> 04:01:36,300
those materials be retrieved if you hand

5941
04:01:41,030 --> 04:01:38,399
them over to say a Lockheed or a

5942
04:01:43,189 --> 04:01:41,040
Northrop or a company like that is there

5943
04:01:44,689 --> 04:01:43,199
a paper trail that says the ownership

5944
04:01:46,670 --> 04:01:44,699
should be with the American public that

5945
04:01:48,290 --> 04:01:46,680
it has to be returned and we don't know

5946
04:01:51,170 --> 04:01:48,300
these whistleblowers that we're talking

5947
04:01:53,630 --> 04:01:51,180
about know where the bodies are buried

5948
04:01:55,670 --> 04:01:53,640
literally and where the material is I

5949
04:01:56,929 --> 04:01:55,680
mean down to the building

5950
04:01:58,429 --> 04:01:56,939
um

5951
04:02:00,769 --> 04:01:58,439
you know it's going to be really

5952
04:02:03,530 --> 04:02:00,779
interesting to see if uh if congress

5953
04:02:04,910 --> 04:02:03,540
makes that information public because we

5954
04:02:06,290 --> 04:02:04,920
know that they've heard some of that

5955
04:02:07,969 --> 04:02:06,300
testimony already

5956
04:02:09,530 --> 04:02:07,979
and they've verified some of that

5957
04:02:10,910 --> 04:02:09,540
testimony we know

5958
04:02:12,170 --> 04:02:10,920
great just so you know there are a

5959
04:02:13,910 --> 04:02:12,180
couple people in the waiting room I just

5960
04:02:16,309 --> 04:02:13,920
want you all to know that I see you

5961
04:02:19,790 --> 04:02:16,319
thank you please hang on for a couple

5962
04:02:22,130 --> 04:02:19,800
more moments okay so so can you tell me

5963
04:02:24,170 --> 04:02:22,140
Jeremy and and George Well whoever wants

5964
04:02:26,630 --> 04:02:24,180
to time in what is the significance of

5965
04:02:27,650 --> 04:02:26,640
this whistleblowers act specifically for

5966
04:02:29,269 --> 04:02:27,660
people who don't know what the

5967
04:02:31,849 --> 04:02:29,279
legislation is what is it when does it

5968
04:02:33,469 --> 04:02:31,859
come into effect and why is it is it

5969
04:02:36,950 --> 04:02:33,479
groundbreaking do we feel like do you

5970
04:02:38,809 --> 04:02:36,960
think that this is just well much like

5971
04:02:40,610 --> 04:02:38,819
hey there's going to be a report coming

5972
04:02:41,510 --> 04:02:40,620
out then then the report is delayed and

5973
04:02:42,530 --> 04:02:41,520
then when it comes out you're just

5974
04:02:44,510 --> 04:02:42,540
disappointed it's going to be

5975
04:02:45,830 --> 04:02:44,520
disappointing should we get our hopes up

5976
04:02:48,110 --> 04:02:45,840
and what are we getting our hopes up for

5977
04:02:49,969 --> 04:02:48,120
several questions in there

5978
04:02:53,090 --> 04:02:49,979
just tackle them

5979
04:02:55,670 --> 04:02:53,100
go ahead Jeremy yeah I think we we both

5980
04:02:58,429 --> 04:02:55,680
have a a different perspective on it but

5981
04:03:01,070 --> 04:02:58,439
I think that we're in agreement that it

5982
04:03:03,710 --> 04:03:01,080
it is a huge invitation it's an

5983
04:03:06,349 --> 04:03:03,720
invitation and not only an invitation I

5984
04:03:08,330 --> 04:03:06,359
mean they're telling you that you need

5985
04:03:10,189 --> 04:03:08,340
to tell if there were illegal UFO

5986
04:03:13,130 --> 04:03:10,199
programs being done so this is kind of

5987
04:03:15,650 --> 04:03:13,140
like a duty so will people come forward

5988
04:03:17,689 --> 04:03:15,660
let's pretend like what Harry Reid said

5989
04:03:19,550 --> 04:03:17,699
that's from Lockheed will people come

5990
04:03:21,050 --> 04:03:19,560
forward saying I worked on reverse

5991
04:03:22,550 --> 04:03:21,060
engineering of non-terrestrial

5992
04:03:24,530 --> 04:03:22,560
Technologies well you have to be

5993
04:03:26,450 --> 04:03:24,540
motivated to do so but now they're

5994
04:03:28,429 --> 04:03:26,460
they're saying you know you need to come

5995
04:03:31,309 --> 04:03:28,439
forward so I think this is a this is a

5996
04:03:33,950 --> 04:03:31,319
big deal it's protections this is on the

5997
04:03:35,090 --> 04:03:33,960
the lines of like the church committee

5998
04:03:36,410 --> 04:03:35,100
or whatever they called it when they

5999
04:03:38,510 --> 04:03:36,420
were discovering all these things the

6000
04:03:41,570 --> 04:03:38,520
CIA was doing back you know on American

6001
04:03:43,910 --> 04:03:41,580
citizens this is that big this is big

6002
04:03:47,030 --> 04:03:43,920
enough that people have already come

6003
04:03:48,229 --> 04:03:47,040
forward now this is in the mechanisms of

6004
04:03:49,910 --> 04:03:48,239
government that are going to keep it

6005
04:03:52,010 --> 04:03:49,920
within the intelligence communities but

6006
04:03:54,050 --> 04:03:52,020
but some people are going to come

6007
04:03:56,330 --> 04:03:54,060
forward publicly and we know this for

6008
04:03:58,610 --> 04:03:56,340
sure so I I think this is a huge deal

6009
04:04:00,410 --> 04:03:58,620
we've never seen this kind of thing for

6010
04:04:02,150 --> 04:04:00,420
the UFO topic this type of

6011
04:04:04,550 --> 04:04:02,160
acknowledgment and I think someone like

6012
04:04:07,790 --> 04:04:04,560
George who's been seeing this for 35

6013
04:04:10,370 --> 04:04:07,800
years or however many years now this is

6014
04:04:12,710 --> 04:04:10,380
unprecedented so I'm an optimist I'm

6015
04:04:14,809 --> 04:04:12,720
super excited I think you know we're

6016
04:04:17,510 --> 04:04:14,819
kicking the doors down but

6017
04:04:20,090 --> 04:04:17,520
I am the pacifist I'm the glass is half

6018
04:04:21,950 --> 04:04:20,100
empty if there is a way to bury this if

6019
04:04:23,809 --> 04:04:21,960
there's a way to keep a secret they'll

6020
04:04:25,969 --> 04:04:23,819
find it and we're already seeing some of

6021
04:04:27,710 --> 04:04:25,979
that kind of pushback Kurt you saw this

6022
04:04:29,990 --> 04:04:27,720
recent Wall Street Journal article there

6023
04:04:31,729 --> 04:04:30,000
was a New York Times pre-bunking piece

6024
04:04:33,590 --> 04:04:31,739
that came out in advance of the report

6025
04:04:35,210 --> 04:04:33,600
which wasn't even written at the time

6026
04:04:37,309 --> 04:04:35,220
that said oh yeah this is all

6027
04:04:38,809 --> 04:04:37,319
explainable that's exactly what I've

6028
04:04:40,929 --> 04:04:38,819
expected for a long time and I think

6029
04:04:43,670 --> 04:04:40,939
we're going to see more of it the closer

6030
04:04:46,550 --> 04:04:43,680
Congress and the public get to answers

6031
04:04:49,189 --> 04:04:46,560
the closer we get to actually seeing or

6032
04:04:51,889 --> 04:04:49,199
learning about the goodies The Meta

6033
04:04:54,769 --> 04:04:51,899
materials pieces of scrap metal of

6034
04:04:56,689 --> 04:04:54,779
Unknown Origin craft maybe bodies the

6035
04:04:58,490 --> 04:04:56,699
harder the pushback is going to be if I

6036
04:05:00,110 --> 04:04:58,500
were Lockheed and I had this stuff I

6037
04:05:02,750 --> 04:05:00,120
wouldn't give it back to us what you're

6038
04:05:04,610 --> 04:05:02,760
seeing is a significant pushback already

6039
04:05:06,290 --> 04:05:04,620
by the Department of Defense at the same

6040
04:05:08,210 --> 04:05:06,300
time they're speaking out of this side

6041
04:05:10,429 --> 04:05:08,220
of their mouth saying oh yeah we're all

6042
04:05:12,469 --> 04:05:10,439
about transparency behind the scenes

6043
04:05:14,150 --> 04:05:12,479
they're feeding this disinformation to

6044
04:05:16,490 --> 04:05:14,160
people like that reporter at the New

6045
04:05:18,410 --> 04:05:16,500
York Times who kind of try to dismiss it

6046
04:05:20,809 --> 04:05:18,420
I will bet you Kurt that you have had

6047
04:05:24,650 --> 04:05:20,819
pushback yourself for the fact that you

6048
04:05:26,689 --> 04:05:24,660
even dare to tackle this topic in a in a

6049
04:05:28,790 --> 04:05:26,699
very curious way that you would even

6050
04:05:30,469 --> 04:05:28,800
dare ask the questions I'm sure your

6051
04:05:31,969 --> 04:05:30,479
colleagues have given you crap about it

6052
04:05:33,830 --> 04:05:31,979
and there's going to be a lot more of

6053
04:05:35,870 --> 04:05:33,840
that the closer we get to the goodie so

6054
04:05:37,790 --> 04:05:35,880
if they can find a way to bury it and

6055
04:05:39,769 --> 04:05:37,800
hide it they'll continue to do that you

6056
04:05:41,269 --> 04:05:39,779
look at the U.S Air Force they got more

6057
04:05:43,250 --> 04:05:41,279
information on the subject matter than

6058
04:05:44,630 --> 04:05:43,260
anyone and there's nowhere they don't

6059
04:05:46,550 --> 04:05:44,640
have a seat at the table they're not

6060
04:05:48,349 --> 04:05:46,560
showing up giving statements they're not

6061
04:05:50,269 --> 04:05:48,359
making press releases they haven't shown

6062
04:05:51,349 --> 04:05:50,279
up at any of the key Rings where are

6063
04:05:54,830 --> 04:05:51,359
they

6064
04:05:56,150 --> 04:05:54,840
easily so I'll believe it when I see it

6065
04:05:58,490 --> 04:05:56,160
I'm hopeful

6066
04:06:02,150 --> 04:05:58,500
in a sense but I'll believe it when I

6067
04:06:04,370 --> 04:06:02,160
see it yet people continuously and with

6068
04:06:06,710 --> 04:06:04,380
increased frequency come forward to

6069
04:06:08,870 --> 04:06:06,720
George and me and they provide

6070
04:06:11,330 --> 04:06:08,880
information and data and footage and

6071
04:06:13,370 --> 04:06:11,340
images and you know we I've been kicked

6072
04:06:14,990 --> 04:06:13,380
around people saying oh you said you

6073
04:06:17,990 --> 04:06:15,000
know you're going to release more it's

6074
04:06:20,990 --> 04:06:18,000
been so long I'm on Cosmic time oh yeah

6075
04:06:24,110 --> 04:06:21,000
we're just starting so starting in

6076
04:06:29,110 --> 04:06:24,120
January of 2023 providing more for a

6077
04:06:34,370 --> 04:06:31,670
we're going to start you know providing

6078
04:06:36,349 --> 04:06:34,380
information that we've thoroughly vetted

6079
04:06:37,910 --> 04:06:36,359
and now where should they go where

6080
04:06:39,410 --> 04:06:37,920
should the audience go to find this

6081
04:06:41,450 --> 04:06:39,420
information out is their website is

6082
04:06:44,269 --> 04:06:41,460
their Twitter is there a YouTube right

6083
04:06:46,070 --> 04:06:44,279
now just go to our social media uh mine

6084
04:06:47,570 --> 04:06:46,080
and George's social media there's going

6085
04:06:49,550 --> 04:06:47,580
to be a location for that you know

6086
04:06:51,710 --> 04:06:49,560
that'll be you might be better but right

6087
04:06:53,570 --> 04:06:51,720
now I can write it in the chat and pin

6088
04:06:56,030 --> 04:06:53,580
it and also put it in the comments sure

6089
04:07:01,210 --> 04:06:56,040
so I'm at Jeremy Corbell and like George

6090
04:07:05,870 --> 04:07:03,650
I would send people to mysterywire.com

6091
04:07:07,670 --> 04:07:05,880
that is still an active website it's a

6092
04:07:10,130 --> 04:07:07,680
repository of all the stories that I've

6093
04:07:12,290 --> 04:07:10,140
put together for 30 plus years including

6094
04:07:13,969 --> 04:07:12,300
interviews you know uh yesterday marked

6095
04:07:16,550 --> 04:07:13,979
the one year anniversary since the death

6096
04:07:19,010 --> 04:07:16,560
of Harry Reid five years ago this month

6097
04:07:21,290 --> 04:07:19,020
he got things started by talking to the

6098
04:07:23,689 --> 04:07:21,300
New York Times about what a program at

6099
04:07:26,210 --> 04:07:23,699
that time they called atip there's still

6100
04:07:28,610 --> 04:07:26,220
a lot of misinformation out there a lot

6101
04:07:30,110 --> 04:07:28,620
of things that have been made murky I

6102
04:07:31,790 --> 04:07:30,120
think on purpose but all those

6103
04:07:34,189 --> 04:07:31,800
interviews that we did with Harry Reid

6104
04:07:36,050 --> 04:07:34,199
with Lou Elizondo uh with other key

6105
04:07:38,330 --> 04:07:36,060
players in this it was all still on

6106
04:07:40,429 --> 04:07:38,340
mysterywire.com I would add this we did

6107
04:07:43,370 --> 04:07:40,439
a story if people are looking at big

6108
04:07:45,410 --> 04:07:43,380
events of 2022. we did a story about a

6109
04:07:47,389 --> 04:07:45,420
defense contractor named Radiance

6110
04:07:49,429 --> 04:07:47,399
Technologies they're located in

6111
04:07:51,170 --> 04:07:49,439
Huntsville Alabama they put out news

6112
04:07:53,389 --> 04:07:51,180
releases about the hiring of two people

6113
04:07:54,530 --> 04:07:53,399
one was a guy named Jay Stratton who had

6114
04:07:56,630 --> 04:07:54,540
been with the Office of Naval

6115
04:07:59,389 --> 04:07:56,640
intelligence and Dia the other was Dr

6116
04:08:01,130 --> 04:07:59,399
Travis Taylor whom we know as a UFO type

6117
04:08:02,570 --> 04:08:01,140
scientist on the History Channel and

6118
04:08:05,090 --> 04:08:02,580
Ancient Aliens and the secret of

6119
04:08:07,070 --> 04:08:05,100
Skinwalker Ranch in their release radius

6120
04:08:10,490 --> 04:08:07,080
Technologies bragged about these two

6121
04:08:12,349 --> 04:08:10,500
guys for their UFO work uh Jay Stratton

6122
04:08:14,809 --> 04:08:12,359
had been the head of the UAP task force

6123
04:08:16,490 --> 04:08:14,819
he'd been part of atip and OSAP as well

6124
04:08:18,590 --> 04:08:16,500
and they when they put out a release

6125
04:08:20,630 --> 04:08:18,600
about his hiring they bragged about it I

6126
04:08:22,790 --> 04:08:20,640
think that is a major step for private

6127
04:08:24,650 --> 04:08:22,800
contractors defense contractors to go

6128
04:08:26,269 --> 04:08:24,660
ahead and say yeah we're interested in

6129
04:08:27,769 --> 04:08:26,279
this in fact not only are we interested

6130
04:08:29,929 --> 04:08:27,779
in it we'd like to get some contracts

6131
04:08:31,370 --> 04:08:29,939
for it big step for industry to make

6132
04:08:33,410 --> 04:08:31,380
that and I I just wanted to mention

6133
04:08:35,990 --> 04:08:33,420
that's a pretty good story that I think

6134
04:08:39,110 --> 04:08:36,000
probably has fallen through the cracks

6135
04:08:41,389 --> 04:08:39,120
yeah so so a question that's coming up

6136
04:08:45,050 --> 04:08:41,399
several times on today's show is what

6137
04:08:47,389 --> 04:08:45,060
story from 2022 ignites you the most now

6138
04:08:50,210 --> 04:08:47,399
which now I'm going to rephrase that for

6139
04:08:52,130 --> 04:08:50,220
you all which story from 2022 regarding

6140
04:08:54,050 --> 04:08:52,140
this topic is most relevant to something

6141
04:08:57,349 --> 04:08:54,060
that you can't reveal now for whatever

6142
04:09:00,290 --> 04:08:57,359
reason for later so that if I want to

6143
04:09:02,750 --> 04:09:00,300
put some pieces together I can

6144
04:09:05,510 --> 04:09:02,760
yeah I mean I'd say say there everything

6145
04:09:07,490 --> 04:09:05,520
George and I have reported on we've dug

6146
04:09:08,990 --> 04:09:07,500
really deep and we've really vetted

6147
04:09:10,849 --> 04:09:09,000
people and and now we're at a place

6148
04:09:16,070 --> 04:09:10,859
where we can bring stuff forward so I

6149
04:09:19,309 --> 04:09:16,080
think the 2019 swarms over the USS Omaha

6150
04:09:21,469 --> 04:09:19,319
USS Russell actually 10 Navy warships we

6151
04:09:23,510 --> 04:09:21,479
initially reported on that like what our

6152
04:09:25,670 --> 04:09:23,520
government said we obtained and released

6153
04:09:27,950 --> 04:09:25,680
information that was confined within

6154
04:09:29,570 --> 04:09:27,960
classified files originally but we were

6155
04:09:32,030 --> 04:09:29,580
able to get out the unclassified parts

6156
04:09:34,610 --> 04:09:32,040
and that story is going to open up

6157
04:09:37,429 --> 04:09:34,620
there's been a lot of attempts at

6158
04:09:39,469 --> 04:09:37,439
debunking it talking about how there's

6159
04:09:41,330 --> 04:09:39,479
red green and white lights well you

6160
04:09:44,090 --> 04:09:41,340
haven't heard nothing yet so I think

6161
04:09:46,849 --> 04:09:44,100
this is great I think that that story is

6162
04:09:49,729 --> 04:09:46,859
so important the one that we broke and

6163
04:09:51,650 --> 04:09:49,739
and I think the 2019 swarms it's just

6164
04:09:53,389 --> 04:09:51,660
one of many by the way that that we've

6165
04:09:55,429 --> 04:09:53,399
looked into but it's one we could

6166
04:09:57,590 --> 04:09:55,439
provide corroborative video evidence on

6167
04:09:59,030 --> 04:09:57,600
I think overall that story is a great

6168
04:10:01,370 --> 04:09:59,040
place to start we're going to learn a

6169
04:10:03,950 --> 04:10:01,380
lot more about that and I even say the

6170
04:10:06,769 --> 04:10:03,960
Bob Lazar story everything Bob said to

6171
04:10:08,870 --> 04:10:06,779
George in 1989 we are looking at it

6172
04:10:11,150 --> 04:10:08,880
through a different lens now and I think

6173
04:10:13,729 --> 04:10:11,160
there's there's more to tell on that

6174
04:10:15,349 --> 04:10:13,739
story so yeah I would I would say

6175
04:10:17,269 --> 04:10:15,359
something more that's coming is about

6176
04:10:19,189 --> 04:10:17,279
OSAP you'll recall Kurt the

6177
04:10:21,530 --> 04:10:19,199
Congressional hearing first public

6178
04:10:23,929 --> 04:10:21,540
hearing before Congress on the UFO UAP

6179
04:10:25,849 --> 04:10:23,939
Topic in 54 years and the defense

6180
04:10:28,309 --> 04:10:25,859
department was asked are there any

6181
04:10:30,710 --> 04:10:28,319
programs that existed in between blue

6182
04:10:33,349 --> 04:10:30,720
book and atip and they said nope sorry

6183
04:10:36,469 --> 04:10:33,359
nothing well that is absolutely not true

6184
04:10:39,229 --> 04:10:36,479
and a year ago we put out a book called

6185
04:10:41,570 --> 04:10:39,239
Skin Walkers at the Pentagon that had

6186
04:10:43,610 --> 04:10:41,580
details about the OSAP program it was a

6187
04:10:45,469 --> 04:10:43,620
predecessor to atip it's the one that

6188
04:10:47,990 --> 04:10:45,479
got 22 million dollars that went to

6189
04:10:50,570 --> 04:10:48,000
Robert Bigelow's bass organization they

6190
04:10:52,790 --> 04:10:50,580
created the largest UFO database in the

6191
04:10:55,070 --> 04:10:52,800
history of the world more than 200 000

6192
04:10:56,809 --> 04:10:55,080
cases public hasn't seen it Congress

6193
04:10:59,570 --> 04:10:56,819
hasn't seen it but I can tell you that

6194
04:11:00,769 --> 04:10:59,580
in the year since that book came out

6195
04:11:03,170 --> 04:11:00,779
there's a lot more more information

6196
04:11:04,550 --> 04:11:03,180
that's come our way interviews with key

6197
04:11:07,010 --> 04:11:04,560
players that we're going to be making

6198
04:11:10,070 --> 04:11:07,020
public in 2023 and I think uh I think

6199
04:11:12,410 --> 04:11:10,080
it'll blow it wide open I hope I agree

6200
04:11:14,210 --> 04:11:12,420
yeah and I think also Kurt so people

6201
04:11:16,070 --> 04:11:14,220
right now is kind of neat because we're

6202
04:11:18,290 --> 04:11:16,080
I'm just kind of celebrating the fact

6203
04:11:20,090 --> 04:11:18,300
that we have a few movies out and

6204
04:11:22,010 --> 04:11:20,100
they've done well and I'm trying to kind

6205
04:11:25,130 --> 04:11:22,020
of get people to all catch up and watch

6206
04:11:28,969 --> 04:11:25,140
them so uh on extraordinary beliefs for

6207
04:11:31,250 --> 04:11:28,979
free you can watch all three of my uh

6208
04:11:34,490 --> 04:11:31,260
initial movies so all three of these are

6209
04:11:36,469 --> 04:11:34,500
now free and go check them out uh this

6210
04:11:37,370 --> 04:11:36,479
is a good time to get caught up for what

6211
04:11:38,929 --> 04:11:37,380
you're going to be learning starting

6212
04:11:41,269 --> 04:11:38,939
January

6213
04:11:43,250 --> 04:11:41,279
so I know Jeremy and George that you got

6214
04:11:44,630 --> 04:11:43,260
to get going soon if you want you can

6215
04:11:47,269 --> 04:11:44,640
hang out you're more than welcome to get

6216
04:11:48,590 --> 04:11:47,279
some popcorn answer questions but if you

6217
04:11:50,269 --> 04:11:48,600
have to get going now then I'm just

6218
04:11:51,370 --> 04:11:50,279
going to introduce the next guests do

6219
04:11:54,349 --> 04:11:51,380
you have to go

6220
04:11:56,229 --> 04:11:54,359
okay I have to go but hi guess how you

6221
04:11:58,610 --> 04:11:56,239
doing I'll be listening okay

6222
04:12:00,650 --> 04:11:58,620
guys have a great have a great New Years

6223
04:12:03,349 --> 04:12:00,660
everybody and I'm real excited for for

6224
04:12:05,269 --> 04:12:03,359
the next year I'm extremely grateful to

6225
04:12:07,429 --> 04:12:05,279
for you all taking some time out on this

6226
04:12:09,650 --> 04:12:07,439
day Lily and Greg Jesse George and

6227
04:12:11,990 --> 04:12:09,660
Jeremy so so thank you all for coming

6228
04:12:13,550 --> 04:12:12,000
out and Jeremy and George we will have a

6229
04:12:15,110 --> 04:12:13,560
conversation when whenever you'd like to

6230
04:12:16,969 --> 04:12:15,120
come back on toll you're obviously both

6231
04:12:19,010 --> 04:12:16,979
welcome and we have a much longer

6232
04:12:21,469 --> 04:12:19,020
conversation this is rushed like mad

6233
04:12:23,590 --> 04:12:21,479
keep up the great work Kurt and I'll be

6234
04:12:26,929 --> 04:12:23,600
listening thank you man that's all right

6235
04:12:29,510 --> 04:12:26,939
okay thank you bye okay so the next

6236
04:12:32,030 --> 04:12:29,520
guests and Grant is also here Grant

6237
04:12:34,490 --> 04:12:32,040
Cameron okay Grant Cameron Lily and

6238
04:12:35,750 --> 04:12:34,500
dindo Greg Henry Jesse Mitchell's Jesse

6239
04:12:39,290 --> 04:12:35,760
it's good to meet you publicly I think

6240
04:12:40,670 --> 04:12:39,300
we only met once so Grant and also I

6241
04:12:44,090 --> 04:12:40,680
don't think we met publicly either Grant

6242
04:12:46,309 --> 04:12:44,100
no I I have something that's fairly rude

6243
04:12:48,950 --> 04:12:46,319
of me I would like you all to introduce

6244
04:12:50,809 --> 04:12:48,960
yourselves but I'm gonna do a cursory

6245
04:12:52,969 --> 04:12:50,819
introduction first

6246
04:12:55,790 --> 04:12:52,979
but I'm not going to cover everything so

6247
04:12:58,189 --> 04:12:55,800
Lily and dindo is a clinical

6248
04:12:59,090 --> 04:12:58,199
psychologist and she has a website

6249
04:13:01,849 --> 04:12:59,100
called

6250
04:13:04,010 --> 04:13:01,859
actfinderpath.com

6251
04:13:06,170 --> 04:13:04,020
yes great and by the way for people who

6252
04:13:08,809 --> 04:13:06,180
are interested ACT therapy stands for

6253
04:13:10,929 --> 04:13:08,819
acceptance commitment therapy that has

6254
04:13:13,429 --> 04:13:10,939
saved my life when I was going through

6255
04:13:14,870 --> 04:13:13,439
what I've been told is called The Dark

6256
04:13:17,450 --> 04:13:14,880
Knight of the Soul so it's something

6257
04:13:19,790 --> 04:13:17,460
like uh it's a Well we can talk about

6258
04:13:23,870 --> 04:13:19,800
that another time but I've watched much

6259
04:13:26,809 --> 04:13:23,880
of Lillian's work on YouTube her

6260
04:13:28,189 --> 04:13:26,819
her lectures and they keep like man oh

6261
04:13:29,870 --> 04:13:28,199
man like every time I'd watch it it's

6262
04:13:32,510 --> 04:13:29,880
like taking what I imagine is a

6263
04:13:36,469 --> 04:13:32,520
benzodiazepine it's just just and and

6264
04:13:38,210 --> 04:13:36,479
and an anxiolytic okay Greg Henriques is

6265
04:13:40,250 --> 04:13:38,220
someone who's had me on his podcast I'm

6266
04:13:42,349 --> 04:13:40,260
lucky for he has his own toe called the

6267
04:13:43,610 --> 04:13:42,359
unified theory of knowledge and is

6268
04:13:46,010 --> 04:13:43,620
someone that I would like to have on the

6269
04:13:47,870 --> 04:13:46,020
toe podcast but much like almost anyone

6270
04:13:51,110 --> 04:13:47,880
else who has a toe and wants to come on

6271
04:13:53,389 --> 04:13:51,120
toe I have to study for months in

6272
04:13:56,210 --> 04:13:53,399
advance so I haven't had you on Greg

6273
04:13:58,309 --> 04:13:56,220
until now because I want to go deep into

6274
04:14:00,830 --> 04:13:58,319
your toe I know that sounds a bit odd

6275
04:14:02,809 --> 04:14:00,840
and Jesse Mitchell

6276
04:14:04,429 --> 04:14:02,819
like we're friends you have a great

6277
04:14:05,929 --> 04:14:04,439
YouTube channel that everyone is jealous

6278
04:14:07,570 --> 04:14:05,939
of including myself

6279
04:14:10,729 --> 04:14:07,580
and it's called

6280
04:14:14,269 --> 04:14:10,739
Sam is here Sam is also corroborating

6281
04:14:16,070 --> 04:14:14,279
that he it's called it's called American

6282
04:14:18,849 --> 04:14:16,080
Alchemy so I'm doing this all for memory

6283
04:14:22,610 --> 04:14:18,859
just so you know and Grant's Cameron

6284
04:14:24,229 --> 04:14:22,620
UFO researcher fellow Canadian we worked

6285
04:14:27,229 --> 04:14:24,239
behind the scenes on a

6286
04:14:29,750 --> 04:14:27,239
on something or at least we try to and

6287
04:14:31,309 --> 04:14:29,760
and I want to well I want to thank you

6288
04:14:34,130 --> 04:14:31,319
all for coming I know that this is an

6289
04:14:38,170 --> 04:14:34,140
odd Bunch but none of you are odd I'm

6290
04:14:42,349 --> 04:14:38,180
saying the mixture the confection

6291
04:14:46,849 --> 04:14:44,870
the interweaving okay so what did I miss

6292
04:14:48,650 --> 04:14:46,859
out Greg can you tell me that we'll go

6293
04:14:49,969 --> 04:14:48,660
Jessie Lillian then Grant what did I

6294
04:14:51,950 --> 04:14:49,979
miss

6295
04:14:54,950 --> 04:14:51,960
um I'm a professor of psychology cool to

6296
04:14:57,229 --> 04:14:54,960
have a act person here uh I love act I

6297
04:15:00,410 --> 04:14:57,239
talk I talk a lot about act uh

6298
04:15:02,929 --> 04:15:00,420
um and uh I just uh released a book uh

6299
04:15:04,610 --> 04:15:02,939
so you said Shameless plug here a new

6300
04:15:06,650 --> 04:15:04,620
synthesis for solving the problem of

6301
04:15:08,689 --> 04:15:06,660
psychology addressing the enlightenment

6302
04:15:10,490 --> 04:15:08,699
gaps the sort of the latest articulation

6303
04:15:12,950 --> 04:15:10,500
of kind of how some of my work and

6304
04:15:14,570 --> 04:15:12,960
theoretical Clinical Psychology can uh

6305
04:15:16,610 --> 04:15:14,580
dress the bridge between biology and

6306
04:15:17,630 --> 04:15:16,620
psychology the social sciences

6307
04:15:19,849 --> 04:15:17,640
foreign

6308
04:15:22,189 --> 04:15:19,859
yes and then Jesse and then Lily and

6309
04:15:24,650 --> 04:15:22,199
then Grant what did I miss him most of

6310
04:15:26,450 --> 04:15:24,660
your podcast Kurt but I I which I love

6311
04:15:29,150 --> 04:15:26,460
and thank you for having me and I think

6312
04:15:31,250 --> 04:15:29,160
it's so cool uh to get this odd

6313
04:15:33,710 --> 04:15:31,260
intersection of people together but um

6314
04:15:35,090 --> 04:15:33,720
uh Jesse Michaels I have a YouTube

6315
04:15:38,030 --> 04:15:35,100
channel like you mentioned American

6316
04:15:39,650 --> 04:15:38,040
Alchemy uh before that I I worked for

6317
04:15:41,450 --> 04:15:39,660
Peter Thiel who's kind of you know

6318
04:15:44,090 --> 04:15:41,460
venture capitalist an entrepreneur for

6319
04:15:46,490 --> 04:15:44,100
four years and before that I was at

6320
04:15:49,250 --> 04:15:46,500
Google actually so uh kind of have a

6321
04:15:53,689 --> 04:15:49,260
tech background but am really interested

6322
04:15:57,429 --> 04:15:53,699
in in media and also just kind of uh

6323
04:16:00,590 --> 04:15:57,439
similar to you Kurt I think I have a uh

6324
04:16:04,010 --> 04:16:00,600
basically unsatiable uh interest in

6325
04:16:05,630 --> 04:16:04,020
getting to the the fundamental nature of

6326
04:16:08,150 --> 04:16:05,640
reality and then I think you do it in a

6327
04:16:10,490 --> 04:16:08,160
far more kind of analytical math science

6328
04:16:12,050 --> 04:16:10,500
way and I do it in like a wacky way it's

6329
04:16:16,610 --> 04:16:12,060
the way I would put it

6330
04:16:19,849 --> 04:16:16,620
yeah great great and Lillian please hi

6331
04:16:22,790 --> 04:16:19,859
hi everyone nice to be with you all

6332
04:16:24,530 --> 04:16:22,800
um I think you covered it I mainly

6333
04:16:26,210 --> 04:16:24,540
um a researcher a clinical I'm a

6334
04:16:27,410 --> 04:16:26,220
clinical psychologist but mainly do

6335
04:16:30,650 --> 04:16:27,420
research

6336
04:16:33,170 --> 04:16:30,660
um on how to find innovative ways to

6337
04:16:35,150 --> 04:16:33,180
disseminate act actually into the

6338
04:16:38,269 --> 04:16:35,160
population because

6339
04:16:41,330 --> 04:16:38,279
a regular type of therapy going weekly

6340
04:16:44,150 --> 04:16:41,340
every week for months doesn't actually

6341
04:16:45,889 --> 04:16:44,160
reach most people so trying to find

6342
04:16:47,929 --> 04:16:45,899
innovative ways to reach more people

6343
04:16:49,309 --> 04:16:47,939
great and before we get to Grant I want

6344
04:16:50,630 --> 04:16:49,319
to touch on that point something I

6345
04:16:52,490 --> 04:16:50,640
recall from your lecture so you can

6346
04:16:54,469 --> 04:16:52,500
correct me if this is incorrect

6347
04:16:57,170 --> 04:16:54,479
is that you have a program and I think

6348
04:17:00,050 --> 04:16:57,180
this may be generally

6349
04:17:01,910 --> 04:17:00,060
offered where it's four hours long or

6350
04:17:03,830 --> 04:17:01,920
five hours a day long it's an intensive

6351
04:17:06,050 --> 04:17:03,840
which means that you go and then you

6352
04:17:07,849 --> 04:17:06,060
learn about ACT therapy and then you

6353
04:17:09,769 --> 04:17:07,859
don't it's always useful if you continue

6354
04:17:12,050 --> 04:17:09,779
to go to therapy but you don't need to

6355
04:17:14,210 --> 04:17:12,060
and you can see several benefits whereas

6356
04:17:17,150 --> 04:17:14,220
traditional therapy or Psychotherapy you

6357
04:17:19,309 --> 04:17:17,160
go once a week and if you don't go once

6358
04:17:21,950 --> 04:17:19,319
a month or so or once every or bi-weekly

6359
04:17:24,170 --> 04:17:21,960
you see a huge tapering you don't get

6360
04:17:27,290 --> 04:17:24,180
the results now so what's correct or

6361
04:17:30,349 --> 04:17:27,300
incorrect about that yeah so I developed

6362
04:17:32,750 --> 04:17:30,359
a one-day act Workshop so it's kind of

6363
04:17:36,710 --> 04:17:32,760
like a retreat style and it's about five

6364
04:17:38,570 --> 04:17:36,720
to six hours uh very experiential

6365
04:17:41,630 --> 04:17:38,580
um so you get essentially the entire

6366
04:17:43,130 --> 04:17:41,640
protocol in one day and that's meant to

6367
04:17:46,670 --> 04:17:43,140
kind of

6368
04:17:49,969 --> 04:17:48,410
get the whole treatment in one day

6369
04:17:51,769 --> 04:17:49,979
because the problem is treatment

6370
04:17:54,469 --> 04:17:51,779
adherence and completion is a big

6371
04:17:57,410 --> 04:17:54,479
problem and so yes and we've done

6372
04:17:59,210 --> 04:17:57,420
multiple studies that are funded by NIH

6373
04:18:02,389 --> 04:17:59,220
and the VA that have found that actually

6374
04:18:04,790 --> 04:18:02,399
this one day intervention is effective

6375
04:18:07,750 --> 04:18:04,800
at reducing depression improving anxiety

6376
04:18:10,429 --> 04:18:07,760
functioning quality of life so on so

6377
04:18:15,349 --> 04:18:10,439
some people do need boosters I need a

6378
04:18:18,889 --> 04:18:15,359
booster myself all the time uh so I need

6379
04:18:20,330 --> 04:18:18,899
one right now yeah exactly so but it is

6380
04:18:23,870 --> 04:18:20,340
you know you learn a lot of the

6381
04:18:26,389 --> 04:18:23,880
processes experientially during that day

6382
04:18:28,389 --> 04:18:26,399
um and it's quite intensive and Powerful

6383
04:18:31,849 --> 04:18:28,399
I found while research has found

6384
04:18:33,590 --> 04:18:31,859
empirically Grant Cameron

6385
04:18:34,610 --> 04:18:33,600
what did I miss out in your introduction

6386
04:18:36,889 --> 04:18:34,620
man

6387
04:18:38,990 --> 04:18:36,899
um I've been in the Paranormal business

6388
04:18:40,550 --> 04:18:39,000
since uh shortly after they invented

6389
04:18:46,790 --> 04:18:40,560
dirt

6390
04:18:49,550 --> 04:18:46,800
um I have um I I have a podcast uh

6391
04:18:52,370 --> 04:18:49,560
called uh paranormal UFO Consciousness

6392
04:18:55,610 --> 04:18:52,380
podcast and I have a YouTube which is uh

6393
04:18:57,290 --> 04:18:55,620
the White house UFO YouTube site I've

6394
04:19:00,050 --> 04:18:57,300
just released three books and I guess

6395
04:19:03,889 --> 04:19:00,060
the the main book that is just coming

6396
04:19:06,590 --> 04:19:03,899
out now is on the UFO Sky Pilots which

6397
04:19:08,990 --> 04:19:06,600
deals with 36 plus Witnesses who claim

6398
04:19:10,189 --> 04:19:09,000
that they have flown the craft and I go

6399
04:19:11,570 --> 04:19:10,199
through the pattern of what they

6400
04:19:13,550 --> 04:19:11,580
describe they're all describing the same

6401
04:19:16,729 --> 04:19:13,560
thing how it relates to Consciousness

6402
04:19:18,769 --> 04:19:16,739
and the theory of you know reality and

6403
04:19:20,750 --> 04:19:18,779
all this kind of stuff and and I've also

6404
04:19:22,910 --> 04:19:20,760
had released a weird book called it was

6405
04:19:25,910 --> 04:19:22,920
actually called weird the Paranormal

6406
04:19:27,110 --> 04:19:25,920
world of ports and manifestations which

6407
04:19:29,510 --> 04:19:27,120
I think is one of the first books ever

6408
04:19:31,790 --> 04:19:29,520
written on it and that's uh whether you

6409
04:19:34,309 --> 04:19:31,800
have physical mediums or Poltergeist

6410
04:19:36,769 --> 04:19:34,319
Geist or UFO experiences where things

6411
04:19:38,330 --> 04:19:36,779
will appear disappear move around the

6412
04:19:40,490 --> 04:19:38,340
room and this sort of stuff and I have a

6413
04:19:43,330 --> 04:19:40,500
whole collection of stuff from various

6414
04:19:46,189 --> 04:19:43,340
places around the world

6415
04:19:49,429 --> 04:19:46,199
okay well I have no plan for this

6416
04:19:50,530 --> 04:19:49,439
collection of cats it's difficult to

6417
04:19:53,030 --> 04:19:50,540
herd

6418
04:19:55,130 --> 04:19:53,040
so let's see

6419
04:19:57,290 --> 04:19:55,140
well firstly just like man this is just

6420
04:19:59,929 --> 04:19:57,300
fun thank you all for coming out

6421
04:20:01,550 --> 04:19:59,939
spending December 30th it's a fairly

6422
04:20:03,410 --> 04:20:01,560
sacred day it's almost like Christmas

6423
04:20:05,809 --> 04:20:03,420
near the end of the year thank you thank

6424
04:20:07,610 --> 04:20:05,819
you so let's see what what is it Lily

6425
04:20:10,309 --> 04:20:07,620
we'll start with you because you have to

6426
04:20:15,110 --> 04:20:10,319
get going in about five minutes what is

6427
04:20:17,150 --> 04:20:15,120
it about 2022 that I know that's putting

6428
04:20:19,070 --> 04:20:17,160
on on the spot like what story from 2022

6429
04:20:20,929 --> 04:20:19,080
sticks out to you the most it's most

6430
04:20:29,170 --> 04:20:20,939
relevant and what is the best Insight

6431
04:20:33,769 --> 04:20:31,729
right right

6432
04:20:35,450 --> 04:20:33,779
um what's your second question second

6433
04:20:37,189 --> 04:20:35,460
question comes from the audience

6434
04:20:38,389 --> 04:20:37,199
quote unquote the best Insight from your

6435
04:20:39,830 --> 04:20:38,399
work

6436
04:20:41,210 --> 04:20:39,840
the best

6437
04:20:45,650 --> 04:20:41,220
in my work

6438
04:20:51,229 --> 04:20:48,110
you come to recognize that like

6439
04:20:53,929 --> 04:20:51,239
awareness is the most important first

6440
04:20:55,130 --> 04:20:53,939
step to things like you have to be aware

6441
04:21:03,290 --> 04:20:55,140
of

6442
04:21:06,469 --> 04:21:03,300
the moment like if you don't have that

6443
04:21:08,750 --> 04:21:06,479
that awareness first then so much is on

6444
04:21:10,670 --> 04:21:08,760
autopilot I feel

6445
04:21:14,750 --> 04:21:10,680
um and so I've just come to realize this

6446
04:21:15,530 --> 04:21:14,760
awareness idea is just so important

6447
04:21:17,090 --> 04:21:15,540
um

6448
04:21:19,429 --> 04:21:17,100
you know we can ask you a question about

6449
04:21:22,370 --> 04:21:19,439
that if you don't mind of course

6450
04:21:23,870 --> 04:21:22,380
so what about if someone's issue that

6451
04:21:25,910 --> 04:21:23,880
they're coming to act for is because

6452
04:21:27,530 --> 04:21:25,920
they have too much self-awareness

6453
04:21:29,150 --> 04:21:27,540
where they feel like I'm constantly

6454
04:21:31,370 --> 04:21:29,160
thinking about Consciousness and I feel

6455
04:21:33,710 --> 04:21:31,380
like I'm almost having a psychotic break

6456
04:21:35,929 --> 04:21:33,720
so I'm speaking about my former self at

6457
04:21:38,210 --> 04:21:35,939
least and somewhat my current self and

6458
04:21:40,370 --> 04:21:38,220
so to say oh I need more awareness like

6459
04:21:42,290 --> 04:21:40,380
no no awareness is hurting me right now

6460
04:21:44,389 --> 04:21:42,300
hurting me right now

6461
04:21:48,110 --> 04:21:44,399
well I think what you're describing is

6462
04:21:51,769 --> 04:21:48,120
more like rumination and obsessiveness

6463
04:21:53,389 --> 04:21:51,779
actually it's not so much true awareness

6464
04:21:55,969 --> 04:21:53,399
in the way I'm thinking of it I mean

6465
04:21:59,450 --> 04:21:55,979
awareness is recognizing like okay I am

6466
04:22:03,050 --> 04:21:59,460
going down a rabbit hole here I am I am

6467
04:22:06,710 --> 04:22:03,060
being obsessive now I am ruminating now

6468
04:22:10,490 --> 04:22:06,720
um so it's actually more like developing

6469
04:22:11,809 --> 04:22:10,500
an insight into where you get stuck and

6470
04:22:13,910 --> 04:22:11,819
then

6471
04:22:16,670 --> 04:22:13,920
um where you get triggered

6472
04:22:18,710 --> 04:22:16,680
and then so even being aware of where

6473
04:22:20,990 --> 04:22:18,720
I'm so sorry to interrupt you it's so

6474
04:22:22,729 --> 04:22:21,000
difficult when it's over Zoom because I

6475
04:22:24,290 --> 04:22:22,739
I apologize but what I was going to say

6476
04:22:26,450 --> 04:22:24,300
is like so in that case you would say

6477
04:22:28,610 --> 04:22:26,460
being aware that what you're calling

6478
04:22:32,710 --> 04:22:28,620
awareness is too much like just being

6479
04:22:38,689 --> 04:22:35,150
it's like stepping outside of yourself

6480
04:22:42,410 --> 04:22:38,699
and recognizing like okay like right now

6481
04:22:43,910 --> 04:22:42,420
I am ruminating like I am in this you

6482
04:22:46,849 --> 04:22:43,920
know phase of rumination or I'm

6483
04:22:49,550 --> 04:22:46,859
obsessing about this thing and how does

6484
04:22:52,790 --> 04:22:49,560
how does doing this move me forward in

6485
04:22:55,250 --> 04:22:52,800
my life you know so it's Step One is the

6486
04:22:57,889 --> 04:22:55,260
awareness and step two is

6487
04:23:00,050 --> 04:22:57,899
is this is you know is being stuck on

6488
04:23:01,370 --> 04:23:00,060
this thought process is being stuck on

6489
04:23:02,510 --> 04:23:01,380
this

6490
04:23:04,490 --> 04:23:02,520
um you know what whatever you're

6491
04:23:06,469 --> 04:23:04,500
ruminating about is this moving me

6492
04:23:08,929 --> 04:23:06,479
forward in my life

6493
04:23:12,170 --> 04:23:08,939
or is it keeping me stuck how does

6494
04:23:15,050 --> 04:23:12,180
buying into a particular thought

6495
04:23:16,250 --> 04:23:15,060
um affect my behavior next

6496
04:23:18,229 --> 04:23:16,260
so

6497
04:23:19,849 --> 04:23:18,239
I I'd be interested in hearing what Greg

6498
04:23:23,450 --> 04:23:19,859
what you think about this too you're a

6499
04:23:25,910 --> 04:23:23,460
psychologist yeah no certainly I mean uh

6500
04:23:28,130 --> 04:23:25,920
I'm a big fan of act I'll I'll certainly

6501
04:23:31,429 --> 04:23:28,140
start there I cultivate in training my

6502
04:23:34,490 --> 04:23:31,439
uh doc students awareness acceptance and

6503
04:23:36,710 --> 04:23:34,500
change uh active change in relation uh I

6504
04:23:39,050 --> 04:23:36,720
built a thing called com Mo which is

6505
04:23:41,210 --> 04:23:39,060
basically it merges act in what's called

6506
04:23:42,710 --> 04:23:41,220
interpersonal neurobiology uh and

6507
04:23:44,809 --> 04:23:42,720
certainly this capacity just step

6508
04:23:46,670 --> 04:23:44,819
outside become an observer in

6509
04:23:48,410 --> 04:23:46,680
relationship to that be able to accept

6510
04:23:50,210 --> 04:23:48,420
where you are and then be committed to

6511
04:23:52,070 --> 04:23:50,220
motivated stop valued states of being

6512
04:23:54,110 --> 04:23:52,080
and be able to reflect on that in a way

6513
04:23:56,090 --> 04:23:54,120
that isn't reactive or defensive or

6514
04:23:57,769 --> 04:23:56,100
brittle or rigid that's a beautiful

6515
04:24:00,110 --> 04:23:57,779
thing if you can learn how to do it so

6516
04:24:03,110 --> 04:24:00,120
I'm all in support

6517
04:24:05,929 --> 04:24:03,120
I I'm willing I I'd like to ask everyone

6518
04:24:07,729 --> 04:24:05,939
before I leave to just

6519
04:24:09,050 --> 04:24:07,739
think about something if that's okay

6520
04:24:10,490 --> 04:24:09,060
Kurt you said we could just ask

6521
04:24:12,050 --> 04:24:10,500
questions so I'm going to ask you yeah

6522
04:24:13,790 --> 04:24:12,060
please please do

6523
04:24:15,530 --> 04:24:13,800
um and I think I'm I'm gonna do this

6524
04:24:16,550 --> 04:24:15,540
just because it's the new year coming up

6525
04:24:19,610 --> 04:24:16,560
and

6526
04:24:21,830 --> 04:24:19,620
um it's an act move so let's do it so I

6527
04:24:25,429 --> 04:24:21,840
want everyone on here today just to

6528
04:24:28,250 --> 04:24:25,439
imagine that it's 15 years from now you

6529
04:24:29,689 --> 04:24:28,260
know that it's 15 years from now and

6530
04:24:31,670 --> 04:24:29,699
you've continued living your life

6531
04:24:36,010 --> 04:24:31,680
exactly as you're living it right now

6532
04:24:40,130 --> 04:24:38,510
so I want you now you're referring to us

6533
04:24:41,929 --> 04:24:40,140
five as well as the people in the

6534
04:24:43,849 --> 04:24:41,939
audience everyone just everyone I mean

6535
04:24:45,530 --> 04:24:43,859
this is an exercise I like to do pretty

6536
04:24:46,189 --> 04:24:45,540
regularly

6537
04:24:48,410 --> 04:24:46,199
um

6538
04:24:50,389 --> 04:24:48,420
so imagine it's 15 years from now and

6539
04:24:53,450 --> 04:24:50,399
you you're living exactly as you are now

6540
04:24:56,750 --> 04:24:53,460
and you don't make any changes

6541
04:25:07,189 --> 04:24:56,760
so complete the following sentences

6542
04:25:07,199 --> 04:25:16,670
I spent too little time

6543
04:25:28,370 --> 04:25:19,670
and if I could go back in time what I

6544
04:25:33,170 --> 04:25:31,370
does anyone want to share

6545
04:25:34,910 --> 04:25:33,180
if you can briefly share because Lillian

6546
04:25:36,530 --> 04:25:34,920
I know you have to get going in maybe

6547
04:25:39,170 --> 04:25:36,540
three minutes can you stick around for

6548
04:25:41,630 --> 04:25:39,180
three more minutes Lillian okay great

6549
04:25:43,969 --> 04:25:41,640
who wants to share

6550
04:25:46,370 --> 04:25:43,979
okay I'll go

6551
04:25:48,830 --> 04:25:46,380
um basically what it would come down to

6552
04:25:51,830 --> 04:25:48,840
is you look at near-death experiences

6553
04:25:54,290 --> 04:25:51,840
I'm sure I've learned from that is that

6554
04:25:57,649 --> 04:25:54,300
I spent too much time down the rabbit

6555
04:25:59,570 --> 04:25:57,659
hole not enough time with family and

6556
04:26:01,370 --> 04:25:59,580
when it comes down to the last minutes

6557
04:26:02,750 --> 04:26:01,380
of your life what's most important is

6558
04:26:05,090 --> 04:26:02,760
your family and the time you didn't

6559
04:26:08,510 --> 04:26:05,100
spend with them

6560
04:26:10,309 --> 04:26:08,520
yeah so for me I pictured

6561
04:26:12,349 --> 04:26:10,319
I always picture my wife whenever I

6562
04:26:14,510 --> 04:26:12,359
think of exercises whenever I have

6563
04:26:16,670 --> 04:26:14,520
exercises like this and I spend I always

6564
04:26:17,990 --> 04:26:16,680
prioritize her but I I could spend more

6565
04:26:19,490 --> 04:26:18,000
time with her and definitely I could

6566
04:26:22,910 --> 04:26:19,500
spend more time with family so my mom

6567
04:26:24,649 --> 04:26:22,920
and dad and and I feel like I work too

6568
04:26:26,090 --> 04:26:24,659
much though I love it and interestingly

6569
04:26:29,030 --> 04:26:26,100
enough I feel like I would be more

6570
04:26:32,210 --> 04:26:29,040
unhealthy I love junk food like I love

6571
04:26:34,610 --> 04:26:32,220
it but I abstain from it I abjure it and

6572
04:26:37,969 --> 04:26:34,620
I and I feel like I can I can indulge

6573
04:26:39,349 --> 04:26:37,979
some more but anyway Jesse and Greg

6574
04:26:42,530 --> 04:26:39,359
if you don't mind if you could be right

6575
04:26:44,809 --> 04:26:42,540
you want to go sure I mean uh you know

6576
04:26:46,429 --> 04:26:44,819
I'm I love contact with the present

6577
04:26:48,349 --> 04:26:46,439
moment and I still get pulled away

6578
04:26:50,689 --> 04:26:48,359
further than I do

6579
04:26:53,090 --> 04:26:50,699
um so I'm always looking to expand uh

6580
04:26:55,370 --> 04:26:53,100
the Deep appreciation the awe that I

6581
04:26:57,349 --> 04:26:55,380
have for being in the world

6582
04:26:59,389 --> 04:26:57,359
um and taking time for gratitude and on

6583
04:27:01,910 --> 04:26:59,399
relationship to that uh also then

6584
04:27:03,290 --> 04:27:01,920
connecting to that which I love

6585
04:27:04,790 --> 04:27:03,300
um which I'm fortunate to be able to do

6586
04:27:06,349 --> 04:27:04,800
because I you know I have my work and

6587
04:27:08,450 --> 04:27:06,359
I'm able to do that

6588
04:27:10,729 --> 04:27:08,460
um but being that and having gratitude

6589
04:27:13,670 --> 04:27:10,739
for being that I'm able to achieve some

6590
04:27:16,790 --> 04:27:13,680
of that I can always do more of that

6591
04:27:19,189 --> 04:27:16,800
I'm similar I think I'm uh

6592
04:27:21,530 --> 04:27:19,199
way too kind of goal Orient or future

6593
04:27:23,929 --> 04:27:21,540
oriented rather like I live I sort of

6594
04:27:26,330 --> 04:27:23,939
sacrifice the present for the future a

6595
04:27:27,830 --> 04:27:26,340
lot and I don't sort of you know wake up

6596
04:27:31,309 --> 04:27:27,840
and smell the roses and just enjoy

6597
04:27:34,969 --> 04:27:31,319
myself and do kind of uh spontaneous

6598
04:27:37,389 --> 04:27:34,979
things on a whim and uh often the best

6599
04:27:40,070 --> 04:27:37,399
things come from that kind of childlike

6600
04:27:46,090 --> 04:27:40,080
Instinct and so I wanna I wanna indulge

6601
04:27:51,130 --> 04:27:48,889
yeah did those were those correct were

6602
04:27:55,309 --> 04:27:51,140
those okay

6603
04:27:57,469 --> 04:27:55,319
do we get points there's no I mean it

6604
04:27:59,809 --> 04:27:57,479
doesn't matter how many times I do this

6605
04:28:02,450 --> 04:27:59,819
it's like for me it's always like I

6606
04:28:04,910 --> 04:28:02,460
spend too much time worrying about if

6607
04:28:05,990 --> 04:28:04,920
I'm doing enough if I am enough if you

6608
04:28:08,689 --> 04:28:06,000
know and

6609
04:28:11,030 --> 04:28:08,699
it's just incredible that that that

6610
04:28:13,130 --> 04:28:11,040
stays no matter but it's a good reminder

6611
04:28:14,750 --> 04:28:13,140
like okay I want to be

6612
04:28:16,490 --> 04:28:14,760
you know I want to be more in the moment

6613
04:28:18,649 --> 04:28:16,500
like you said Greg

6614
04:28:20,269 --> 04:28:18,659
um and then you know I'm sure you've all

6615
04:28:23,149 --> 04:28:20,279
heard about this book

6616
04:28:24,830 --> 04:28:23,159
um the top 10 regrets of the dying yeah

6617
04:28:26,750 --> 04:28:24,840
have you heard about it it's like it's

6618
04:28:29,450 --> 04:28:26,760
such a beautiful

6619
04:28:32,090 --> 04:28:29,460
um book that a palliative care nurse

6620
04:28:33,649 --> 04:28:32,100
wrote you know she just documented

6621
04:28:35,929 --> 04:28:33,659
um all the things that

6622
04:28:38,990 --> 04:28:35,939
these dying patients said they regretted

6623
04:28:41,090 --> 04:28:39,000
and what's amazing is that you know our

6624
04:28:43,490 --> 04:28:41,100
regrets are all very similar you know we

6625
04:28:45,769 --> 04:28:43,500
worry too much we don't connect with our

6626
04:28:47,570 --> 04:28:45,779
families too much we're not spontaneous

6627
04:28:49,130 --> 04:28:47,580
enough so

6628
04:28:50,689 --> 04:28:49,140
yeah there's always that question that

6629
04:28:52,790 --> 04:28:50,699
they ask you know when somebody's

6630
04:28:54,110 --> 04:28:52,800
ruminating about something and say are

6631
04:28:55,849 --> 04:28:54,120
you going to be worrying about this on

6632
04:28:57,229 --> 04:28:55,859
the last day yeah and you're going to

6633
04:29:01,070 --> 04:28:57,239
die it's like no well then don't worry

6634
04:29:05,929 --> 04:29:02,750
okay Lillian I know you got to get going

6635
04:29:09,710 --> 04:29:05,939
I for everyone happy New Year website

6636
04:29:11,090 --> 04:29:09,720
again is please say it

6637
04:29:13,189 --> 04:29:11,100
please Lillian can you repeat the

6638
04:29:14,809 --> 04:29:13,199
website and then also put it on sorry

6639
04:29:17,090 --> 04:29:14,819
Act

6640
04:29:21,649 --> 04:29:17,100
findyourpath.com

6641
04:29:24,710 --> 04:29:21,659
on the screen in just a moment thank you

6642
04:29:26,809 --> 04:29:24,720
so much Happy New Year everyone happy

6643
04:29:29,630 --> 04:29:26,819
happy New Year and I hope to speak with

6644
04:29:32,269 --> 04:29:29,640
you again maybe one on one at some point

6645
04:29:33,469 --> 04:29:32,279
all right Greg Grant now it's just it's

6646
04:29:39,050 --> 04:29:33,479
just

6647
04:29:47,110 --> 04:29:41,030
I'm in Argentina which is which is cool

6648
04:29:51,950 --> 04:29:50,510
yeah everybody's fired up I uh I

6649
04:29:53,450 --> 04:29:51,960
unfortunately have a little fever I

6650
04:29:55,429 --> 04:29:53,460
might have the flu or something so I'm

6651
04:29:56,330 --> 04:29:55,439
trying to get better but I couldn't miss

6652
04:29:59,090 --> 04:29:56,340
this

6653
04:30:00,710 --> 04:29:59,100
yeah thank you I appreciate that yeah of

6654
04:30:02,570 --> 04:30:00,720
course but I've spent a lot of time

6655
04:30:05,510 --> 04:30:02,580
inside this hotel room so I'm ready to

6656
04:30:06,590 --> 04:30:05,520
be ready to get out

6657
04:30:10,130 --> 04:30:06,600
foreign

6658
04:30:12,290 --> 04:30:10,140
what's new and Grant what's new

6659
04:30:13,670 --> 04:30:12,300
I just drove down to my brother's uh I

6660
04:30:15,410 --> 04:30:13,680
wasn't sure if I discovered a last

6661
04:30:17,090 --> 04:30:15,420
minute thing invited me down so I'm in a

6662
04:30:19,189 --> 04:30:17,100
new place just popped in and I was like

6663
04:30:20,929 --> 04:30:19,199
hey but I gotta get on Zoom so I'm on

6664
04:30:23,450 --> 04:30:20,939
this weird setup I haven't been on this

6665
04:30:24,889 --> 04:30:23,460
before but uh I popped in to say hi so

6666
04:30:27,050 --> 04:30:24,899
but you know just drove down to

6667
04:30:28,729 --> 04:30:27,060
Charlotte North Carolina and uh good

6668
04:30:31,250 --> 04:30:28,739
seeing family and ready to party it up

6669
04:30:34,790 --> 04:30:32,990
how much time can you spend here another

6670
04:30:36,950 --> 04:30:34,800
five minutes or 10 minutes

6671
04:30:39,469 --> 04:30:36,960
but I can for me certainly another five

6672
04:30:41,630 --> 04:30:39,479
or ten sure okay great great and Jesse

6673
04:30:43,429 --> 04:30:41,640
and Grant another five or ten yeah sure

6674
04:30:45,410 --> 04:30:43,439
so some of the people who are watching

6675
04:30:47,630 --> 04:30:45,420
who are chatting and there are some

6676
04:30:49,070 --> 04:30:47,640
people who I've invited on it seems like

6677
04:30:50,570 --> 04:30:49,080
we're gonna have to limit future people

6678
04:30:53,929 --> 04:30:50,580
to about 10 minutes you all are

6679
04:30:55,910 --> 04:30:53,939
exceptions from now on

6680
04:30:59,269 --> 04:30:55,920
okay

6681
04:31:02,689 --> 04:31:01,370
all right

6682
04:31:05,030 --> 04:31:02,699
what are you most looking forward to in

6683
04:31:06,530 --> 04:31:05,040
2023

6684
04:31:09,229 --> 04:31:06,540
Grant

6685
04:31:12,290 --> 04:31:09,239
answers always answers always

6686
04:31:15,110 --> 04:31:12,300
um looking for the next sort of uh break

6687
04:31:16,490 --> 04:31:15,120
in Chasing Reality what's going on how

6688
04:31:18,649 --> 04:31:16,500
does it actually work because that's how

6689
04:31:20,689 --> 04:31:18,659
I started I mean I had these two UFO

6690
04:31:22,729 --> 04:31:20,699
sightings the second night the thing was

6691
04:31:25,610 --> 04:31:22,739
flying away and I wondered why is it why

6692
04:31:27,710 --> 04:31:25,620
isn't Carmen Manitoba which is middle of

6693
04:31:29,870 --> 04:31:27,720
nowhere and had nothing important about

6694
04:31:32,450 --> 04:31:29,880
it and I've just been obsessed with this

6695
04:31:34,790 --> 04:31:32,460
what's going on why am I here all this

6696
04:31:36,530 --> 04:31:34,800
kind of stuff and I just I mean I just

6697
04:31:38,689 --> 04:31:36,540
look forward to the next day and I even

6698
04:31:40,370 --> 04:31:38,699
keep heart the evidence is sort of

6699
04:31:43,370 --> 04:31:40,380
accumulating so fast that it's hard to

6700
04:31:45,590 --> 04:31:43,380
keep up so I'm just thrilled with this

6701
04:31:48,950 --> 04:31:45,600
somebody else described the the the

6702
04:31:50,870 --> 04:31:48,960
moment with the the Gratitude and I I

6703
04:31:52,490 --> 04:31:50,880
did have that in my I wrote a book on

6704
04:31:55,070 --> 04:31:52,500
psychedelics and I did 25 second

6705
04:31:56,929 --> 04:31:55,080
avocados sessions and I did have the

6706
04:31:59,630 --> 04:31:56,939
compassion and the Gratitude meditations

6707
04:32:02,090 --> 04:31:59,640
so I'm very much aware of that in in

6708
04:32:04,969 --> 04:32:02,100
terms of uh what they put me through in

6709
04:32:05,929 --> 04:32:04,979
in these psychedelic things so uh you

6710
04:32:08,689 --> 04:32:05,939
know that's what I'm looking forward to

6711
04:32:10,189 --> 04:32:08,699
I'm very grateful that I'm here and it's

6712
04:32:11,870 --> 04:32:10,199
almost like playing in the Super Bowl I

6713
04:32:13,189 --> 04:32:11,880
always tell people you if you realize

6714
04:32:15,170 --> 04:32:13,199
what's actually going on in the world

6715
04:32:16,729 --> 04:32:15,180
and you're on this Leading Edge of

6716
04:32:18,649 --> 04:32:16,739
trying to figure out how the world Works

6717
04:32:19,969 --> 04:32:18,659
you're in the Super Bowl of all stories

6718
04:32:22,070 --> 04:32:19,979
and you should recognize that most

6719
04:32:24,170 --> 04:32:22,080
people live lives of quiet desperations

6720
04:32:26,090 --> 04:32:24,180
and haven't got a clue what's going on

6721
04:32:28,610 --> 04:32:26,100
and we are on the sort of Leading Edge

6722
04:32:30,830 --> 04:32:28,620
and it's it's like uh Bill Hicks the

6723
04:32:33,050 --> 04:32:30,840
ride you know you're up and down around

6724
04:32:34,969 --> 04:32:33,060
and around and lots of noise and stuff

6725
04:32:37,550 --> 04:32:34,979
it's just like the most thrilling ride

6726
04:32:39,649 --> 04:32:37,560
you could possibly be on to be on on the

6727
04:32:40,969 --> 04:32:39,659
edge and learning you know what the

6728
04:32:42,530 --> 04:32:40,979
world is about and why we're here

6729
04:32:44,030 --> 04:32:42,540
because most people never ever think

6730
04:32:46,849 --> 04:32:44,040
about it until someone says you've got

6731
04:32:51,830 --> 04:32:48,849
huh

6732
04:32:54,530 --> 04:32:51,840
Jesse I don't know how to follow that

6733
04:32:55,490 --> 04:32:54,540
what was that my connection lag for a

6734
04:32:59,750 --> 04:32:55,500
second this is what we're looking

6735
04:33:02,510 --> 04:32:59,760
forward to in 23. right yeah okay uh oh

6736
04:33:05,330 --> 04:33:02,520
man so much I mean I think it was really

6737
04:33:07,250 --> 04:33:05,340
cool to get catch the tail end of um nap

6738
04:33:09,349 --> 04:33:07,260
and Corbell and I I hope a lot of stuff

6739
04:33:11,810 --> 04:33:09,359
moves on the UFO front

6740
04:33:15,609 --> 04:33:11,820
um uh sort of conditioned to be

6741
04:33:18,470 --> 04:33:15,619
disappointed on stuff like that but uh

6742
04:33:20,570 --> 04:33:18,480
with the new uh yeah right I do think

6743
04:33:22,070 --> 04:33:20,580
with the new legislature there might be

6744
04:33:24,349 --> 04:33:22,080
some interesting

6745
04:33:25,849 --> 04:33:24,359
stuff and then you know it's always like

6746
04:33:28,010 --> 04:33:25,859
they'll they'll let you know what they

6747
04:33:29,830 --> 04:33:28,020
want to let you know or whatever so

6748
04:33:32,990 --> 04:33:29,840
um yeah sort of maybe

6749
04:33:34,730 --> 04:33:33,000
cautiously optimistic I what I do think

6750
04:33:36,590 --> 04:33:34,740
is like it's like the surface area of

6751
04:33:38,689 --> 04:33:36,600
interest is growing so much in that that

6752
04:33:39,890 --> 04:33:38,699
it's like the dam is going to break at

6753
04:33:41,449 --> 04:33:39,900
some point so like I don't know when

6754
04:33:42,830 --> 04:33:41,459
that's gonna happen but that's cool to

6755
04:33:46,789 --> 04:33:42,840
me

6756
04:33:51,289 --> 04:33:46,799
um and I don't know I'm excited to just

6757
04:33:55,429 --> 04:33:53,390
oh hello Jesse

6758
04:33:58,369 --> 04:33:55,439
okay well

6759
04:34:00,349 --> 04:33:58,379
so I'm I

6760
04:34:03,131 --> 04:34:00,359
well okay we can talk about that

6761
04:34:07,849 --> 04:34:03,141
afterwards Jesse is lagging anyway Greg

6762
04:34:09,650 --> 04:34:07,859
if all if if you have any comments about

6763
04:34:11,029 --> 04:34:09,660
what Jesse or Grant said you can also

6764
04:34:12,109 --> 04:34:11,039
comment on that but as well as the

6765
04:34:13,970 --> 04:34:12,119
question is like what are you looking

6766
04:34:15,949 --> 04:34:13,980
forward to next year

6767
04:34:17,869 --> 04:34:15,959
yeah no well there's certainly so much

6768
04:34:19,429 --> 04:34:17,879
excitement going on in the whole UFO

6769
04:34:20,929 --> 04:34:19,439
world I'm looking forward to that that's

6770
04:34:23,090 --> 04:34:20,939
not my particular world but I'm

6771
04:34:25,369 --> 04:34:23,100
fascinated in following it

6772
04:34:28,010 --> 04:34:25,379
um you know I'm I'm excited about

6773
04:34:30,289 --> 04:34:28,020
building you talk uh there we have a

6774
04:34:32,510 --> 04:34:30,299
gonna release a new platform on a Utah

6775
04:34:35,150 --> 04:34:32,520
Circle uh there's a consilience

6776
04:34:36,529 --> 04:34:35,160
conference that's coming up in March uh

6777
04:34:38,510 --> 04:34:36,539
that's uh we'll be announcing that more

6778
04:34:40,910 --> 04:34:38,520
John barbecue give a keynote there'll be

6779
04:34:43,551 --> 04:34:40,920
about 30 or 40 people given talks uh

6780
04:34:45,470 --> 04:34:43,561
that's March 17th and 18th on Zoom uh

6781
04:34:46,429 --> 04:34:45,480
we'll be getting that out and I

6782
04:34:48,470 --> 04:34:46,439
mentioned it you're gonna have to repeat

6783
04:34:49,609 --> 04:34:48,480
that slower so we can write that down

6784
04:34:51,849 --> 04:34:49,619
and put in the chat do you mind

6785
04:34:55,090 --> 04:34:51,859
repeating it yeah

6786
04:34:57,650 --> 04:34:55,100
a consilience conference is consilience

6787
04:35:00,349 --> 04:34:57,660
unifying knowledge and orienting toward

6788
04:35:01,609 --> 04:35:00,359
wisdom uh a bunch of people in this

6789
04:35:03,830 --> 04:35:01,619
corner of the internet will get

6790
04:35:05,750 --> 04:35:03,840
presentations we'll get discussions I'll

6791
04:35:08,090 --> 04:35:05,760
be talking with you Kurt a little bit

6792
04:35:10,730 --> 04:35:08,100
more uh John verviki will kick us off

6793
04:35:13,010 --> 04:35:10,740
and uh we'll have people from like the

6794
04:35:15,590 --> 04:35:13,020
Stowe Peter Lindberg and other people

6795
04:35:17,269 --> 04:35:15,600
will be engaged in a conversation about

6796
04:35:18,890 --> 04:35:17,279
that so I'm looking forward to that um

6797
04:35:21,529 --> 04:35:18,900
in person

6798
04:35:24,349 --> 04:35:21,539
no this is a zoom conference uh online

6799
04:35:26,929 --> 04:35:24,359
Okay okay so but it'll be open to the

6800
04:35:29,631 --> 04:35:26,939
public uh and uh and so that'll be free

6801
04:35:34,670 --> 04:35:29,641
uh but we'll be announcing that

6802
04:35:36,590 --> 04:35:34,680
uh March 17th and 18th of uh this year

6803
04:35:38,631 --> 04:35:36,600
so that'll be an open conference

6804
04:35:40,429 --> 04:35:38,641
so I'm excited about that uh my book

6805
04:35:42,170 --> 04:35:40,439
just came out so I'm excited about that

6806
04:35:43,570 --> 04:35:42,180
and I want to try to get everybody's

6807
04:35:47,051 --> 04:35:43,580
name

6808
04:35:50,510 --> 04:35:47,061
we're writing it down uh a new synthesis

6809
04:35:53,890 --> 04:35:50,520
a new synthesis uh for solving the

6810
04:35:57,730 --> 04:35:56,150
psychology addressing the enlightenment

6811
04:36:01,131 --> 04:35:57,740
Gap

6812
04:36:03,131 --> 04:36:01,141
and so my goal is to have everybody know

6813
04:36:07,310 --> 04:36:03,141
what the problem of psychology is

6814
04:36:08,689 --> 04:36:07,320
and uh understand why I think it's a

6815
04:36:11,269 --> 04:36:08,699
really important problem like it should

6816
04:36:13,849 --> 04:36:11,279
be as well known as quantum gravity uh

6817
04:36:14,869 --> 04:36:13,859
the problem of psychology but it's not

6818
04:36:17,090 --> 04:36:14,879
um so

6819
04:36:19,670 --> 04:36:17,100
uh and that's basically the the short

6820
04:36:22,250 --> 04:36:19,680
version is is that the physics and

6821
04:36:24,769 --> 04:36:22,260
chemistry biology uh they all have

6822
04:36:28,189 --> 04:36:24,779
pretty clear topics uh that they're

6823
04:36:29,929 --> 04:36:28,199
about in the world as Sciences uh but I

6824
04:36:31,970 --> 04:36:29,939
like to say nobody knows what psychology

6825
04:36:34,849 --> 04:36:31,980
means

6826
04:36:36,890 --> 04:36:34,859
um and that's interesting what do you

6827
04:36:41,689 --> 04:36:36,900
mean

6828
04:36:43,189 --> 04:36:41,699
different reference in the world for

6829
04:36:47,269 --> 04:36:43,199
what people mean when they use the term

6830
04:36:49,131 --> 04:36:47,279
psychology uh so unlike chemistry uh

6831
04:36:50,449 --> 04:36:49,141
people can't know that chemistry is the

6832
04:36:53,570 --> 04:36:50,459
science really are the structural matter

6833
04:36:55,789 --> 04:36:53,580
from particles to atoms to molecules

6834
04:36:59,330 --> 04:36:55,799
um but psychology is different it does

6835
04:37:01,010 --> 04:36:59,340
not have a clearly defined topic area uh

6836
04:37:03,890 --> 04:37:01,020
so there's a wide Community a different

6837
04:37:06,230 --> 04:37:03,900
uh reference for psychology is that why

6838
04:37:09,970 --> 04:37:06,240
science doesn't want you as a science

6839
04:37:13,730 --> 04:37:09,980
that's exactly why science doesn't mind

6840
04:37:15,230 --> 04:37:13,740
because unlike the other hard Sciences

6841
04:37:17,810 --> 04:37:15,240
what they really mean by heart is that

6842
04:37:20,209 --> 04:37:17,820
the ontology uh meaning the thing in the

6843
04:37:22,551 --> 04:37:20,219
world that they're about is much clearer

6844
04:37:29,570 --> 04:37:22,561
the ontology of psychology is is

6845
04:37:32,869 --> 04:37:31,189
what are your hobbies

6846
04:37:34,010 --> 04:37:32,879
it's just the questions I've been asking

6847
04:37:35,449 --> 04:37:34,020
everyone what are you looking forward to

6848
04:37:38,029 --> 04:37:35,459
what are your hobbies what's your

6849
04:37:39,949 --> 04:37:38,039
earliest childhood memory

6850
04:37:41,330 --> 04:37:39,959
I think these are some questions that

6851
04:37:43,189 --> 04:37:41,340
you know

6852
04:37:45,769 --> 04:37:43,199
there are some prohibitive questions

6853
04:37:47,869 --> 04:37:45,779
that you can ask some anyone and then

6854
04:37:50,090 --> 04:37:47,879
you get to know them

6855
04:37:52,730 --> 04:37:50,100
like let's say 100 times the rate of

6856
04:37:53,990 --> 04:37:52,740
just a regular conversation I think

6857
04:37:55,849 --> 04:37:54,000
these are some of the questions I'm

6858
04:37:57,410 --> 04:37:55,859
terribly interested in what people's

6859
04:37:58,970 --> 04:37:57,420
earliest memories are

6860
04:38:01,910 --> 04:37:58,980
and

6861
04:38:03,949 --> 04:38:01,920
what do they do

6862
04:38:05,990 --> 04:38:03,959
I feel like all of us right now we're

6863
04:38:08,869 --> 04:38:06,000
putting on a Persona I mentioned earlier

6864
04:38:11,029 --> 04:38:08,879
that I think the real me is just me with

6865
04:38:13,189 --> 04:38:11,039
my wife it's this cuddly version of me

6866
04:38:14,330 --> 04:38:13,199
and I speak in baby talk and it's so

6867
04:38:16,730 --> 04:38:14,340
embarrassing I'm not even going to do it

6868
04:38:18,590 --> 04:38:16,740
here but I think that that's actually a

6869
04:38:20,810 --> 04:38:18,600
big example I think that that's actually

6870
04:38:22,910 --> 04:38:20,820
me and then everything else is some

6871
04:38:24,650 --> 04:38:22,920
affectation

6872
04:38:26,090 --> 04:38:24,660
but anyway I'm curious though like what

6873
04:38:27,529 --> 04:38:26,100
is the real you what are your hobbies

6874
04:38:30,650 --> 04:38:27,539
and what what's your earliest childhood

6875
04:38:32,869 --> 04:38:30,660
memory grants let's start with you

6876
04:38:35,449 --> 04:38:32,879
I don't really have many childhood

6877
04:38:38,090 --> 04:38:35,459
memories I have a sort of a total blank

6878
04:38:41,029 --> 04:38:38,100
I was almost my life started with my UFO

6879
04:38:42,529 --> 04:38:41,039
experiences with going to University and

6880
04:38:45,769 --> 04:38:42,539
spending my whole life at a university

6881
04:38:48,230 --> 04:38:45,779
uh uh and that's basically uh before

6882
04:38:50,209 --> 04:38:48,240
that I don't remember a heck of a lot of

6883
04:38:53,330 --> 04:38:50,219
anything or did a lot of working very

6884
04:38:55,551 --> 04:38:53,340
early Hobbies I really don't have I jog

6885
04:38:57,709 --> 04:38:55,561
I jog to McDonald's I drink coffee I jog

6886
04:38:59,150 --> 04:38:57,719
home I work on my stuff and then I jog

6887
04:39:00,410 --> 04:38:59,160
to McDonald's and I drink coffee and I

6888
04:39:04,189 --> 04:39:00,420
come home and I do that three times a

6889
04:39:05,449 --> 04:39:04,199
day otherwise I work on my

6890
04:39:07,670 --> 04:39:05,459
um my stuff

6891
04:39:10,609 --> 04:39:07,680
uh my Consciousness stuff which I'm

6892
04:39:14,090 --> 04:39:10,619
mostly on now the theory you know a

6893
04:39:15,650 --> 04:39:14,100
reality uh but that's all I basically do

6894
04:39:17,449 --> 04:39:15,660
I'm a minimalist I don't really own

6895
04:39:19,730 --> 04:39:17,459
anything or do any you know I don't have

6896
04:39:22,310 --> 04:39:19,740
anything I I've just sort of dedicated

6897
04:39:24,170 --> 04:39:22,320
my life I'm just the most obsessed

6898
04:39:26,869 --> 04:39:24,180
person you can ever find in terms of

6899
04:39:30,470 --> 04:39:28,551
Jesse and Greg and can you keep your

6900
04:39:33,170 --> 04:39:30,480
answers short because I got to kick you

6901
04:39:34,551 --> 04:39:33,180
all out I forgot I'm sorry about three

6902
04:39:35,650 --> 04:39:34,561
minutes from now

6903
04:39:38,448 --> 04:39:35,660
um

6904
04:39:39,770 --> 04:39:38,458
yeah I do you're right I need some

6905
04:39:41,690 --> 04:39:39,780
vitamin C

6906
04:39:45,708 --> 04:39:41,700
um my earliest I don't have like a

6907
04:39:47,810 --> 04:39:45,718
distinct individual one but I I think I

6908
04:39:49,730 --> 04:39:47,820
you know I was I was in my room a lot I

6909
04:39:51,890 --> 04:39:49,740
I got I was either getting grounded

6910
04:39:53,570 --> 04:39:51,900
because I was kind of rebellious or my

6911
04:39:55,490 --> 04:39:53,580
family life was somewhat tumultuous and

6912
04:39:58,610 --> 04:39:55,500
so I would like recede into my room and

6913
04:40:01,970 --> 04:39:58,620
I think a lot of my imagination came

6914
04:40:03,770 --> 04:40:01,980
from like my time in my room with like

6915
04:40:05,630 --> 04:40:03,780
you know playing with action figures and

6916
04:40:08,448 --> 04:40:05,640
stuff and like having to like make up

6917
04:40:10,190 --> 04:40:08,458
narratives uh and so I I'm weirdly

6918
04:40:11,990 --> 04:40:10,200
grateful for that time as much as I

6919
04:40:13,970 --> 04:40:12,000
think it was sort of lonely and you know

6920
04:40:16,010 --> 04:40:13,980
not it probably didn't feel amazing at

6921
04:40:18,890 --> 04:40:16,020
the time then hobbies-wise I love to

6922
04:40:21,470 --> 04:40:18,900
Surf I like to play basketball I like to

6923
04:40:24,288 --> 04:40:21,480
read I like to listen to uh your podcast

6924
04:40:27,830 --> 04:40:24,298
Kurt uh I appreciate that that's great

6925
04:40:31,550 --> 04:40:29,750
if we just go straight Vivid when I was

6926
04:40:33,770 --> 04:40:31,560
about five and a half I fell off the

6927
04:40:37,070 --> 04:40:33,780
monkey bars and hit the back of my head

6928
04:40:38,690 --> 04:40:37,080
and then I pulled up and had my hand was

6929
04:40:41,030 --> 04:40:38,700
all bloody so I still have that pretty

6930
04:40:42,948 --> 04:40:41,040
seared into my Consciousness a bloody

6931
04:40:45,530 --> 04:40:42,958
hand uh when I was about to fall over

6932
04:40:47,750 --> 04:40:45,540
here about five and a half

6933
04:40:49,250 --> 04:40:47,760
um but anyway uh in terms of hobbies I'm

6934
04:40:51,890 --> 04:40:49,260
pretty obsessed with you talk so it's

6935
04:40:53,570 --> 04:40:51,900
just kind of maybe like Grant in my own

6936
04:40:55,190 --> 04:40:53,580
way a little like that's the kind of

6937
04:40:57,050 --> 04:40:55,200
building that and fooling around with

6938
04:40:58,368 --> 04:40:57,060
that and living that but of course then

6939
04:40:59,750 --> 04:40:58,378
relationships and everything else not

6940
04:41:00,470 --> 04:40:59,760
really a hobby but just connecting with

6941
04:41:03,470 --> 04:41:00,480
people

6942
04:41:06,130 --> 04:41:03,480
right and to be clear when Greg

6943
04:41:08,630 --> 04:41:06,140
references you talk it's spelled

6944
04:41:10,368 --> 04:41:08,640
u-t-o-k standing for the unified theory

6945
04:41:12,530 --> 04:41:10,378
of knowledge which is Grant's Theory of

6946
04:41:14,510 --> 04:41:12,540
Everything or his version of some

6947
04:41:17,628 --> 04:41:14,520
synonym of a theory of everything and

6948
04:41:20,090 --> 04:41:17,638
you and Greg Grant Jesse I got a I gotta

6949
04:41:21,890 --> 04:41:20,100
kick you all out sorry thank you all for

6950
04:41:23,390 --> 04:41:21,900
coming I appreciate it so much you

6951
04:41:24,890 --> 04:41:23,400
should mention just just before we leave

6952
04:41:27,948 --> 04:41:24,900
you should mention that you and I almost

6953
04:41:29,330 --> 04:41:27,958
brought Canadian disclosure to uh open

6954
04:41:30,830 --> 04:41:29,340
disclosure in the Canadian government

6955
04:41:32,930 --> 04:41:30,840
and it all blew up at the last moment

6956
04:41:35,390 --> 04:41:32,940
you should put that what I want to hear

6957
04:41:37,250 --> 04:41:35,400
more about that I will talk about that

6958
04:41:40,788 --> 04:41:37,260
that's that's something Grant can talk

6959
04:41:42,288 --> 04:41:40,798
about all right so if you want more

6960
04:41:44,390 --> 04:41:42,298
information you can talk to Grant about

6961
04:41:52,868 --> 04:41:44,400
that okay

6962
04:41:57,410 --> 04:41:55,310
Grant it was good to have you on and

6963
04:41:58,730 --> 04:41:57,420
Grant you're still here you can hear me

6964
04:42:00,170 --> 04:41:58,740
yeah I can hear you you have to have you

6965
04:42:02,690 --> 04:42:00,180
on man good to have you on and okay

6966
04:42:05,868 --> 04:42:02,700
thanks shortly and tell Nicole to

6967
04:42:07,310 --> 04:42:05,878
message me because I believe that we are

6968
04:42:09,890 --> 04:42:07,320
supposed to have a video call at some

6969
04:42:12,230 --> 04:42:09,900
point okay okay I will do that thank you

6970
04:42:14,448 --> 04:42:12,240
all right bye-bye

6971
04:42:16,310 --> 04:42:14,458
okay now we got a message sorry not

6972
04:42:18,410 --> 04:42:16,320
message we gotta go over the pace one

6973
04:42:21,530 --> 04:42:18,420
entries Pace stands for physics and

6974
04:42:23,390 --> 04:42:21,540
Consciousness explication contest

6975
04:42:25,670 --> 04:42:23,400
the winners are going to be announced

6976
04:42:28,128 --> 04:42:25,680
now I'm going to read a script actually

6977
04:42:31,368 --> 04:42:28,138
I'm going to read this script

6978
04:42:33,410 --> 04:42:31,378
in the finalized version because this is

6979
04:42:35,030 --> 04:42:33,420
just this is a treat for December 30th

6980
04:42:36,650 --> 04:42:35,040
the actual announcement which is the

6981
04:42:38,810 --> 04:42:36,660
same the the exact same winners the

6982
04:42:40,910 --> 04:42:38,820
exact same Runner UPS sorry not

6983
04:42:42,470 --> 04:42:40,920
runner-ups honorable mentions are coming

6984
04:42:45,288 --> 04:42:42,480
out on

6985
04:42:47,868 --> 04:42:45,298
on a fully edited video January 3rd

6986
04:42:49,610 --> 04:42:47,878
January 4th sometime mid-January but

6987
04:42:52,190 --> 04:42:49,620
anyway the point is that

6988
04:42:54,650 --> 04:42:52,200
we had a Consciousness and physics

6989
04:42:57,890 --> 04:42:54,660
contest for creating explainer videos

6990
04:43:00,170 --> 04:42:57,900
akin to what Grant Sanderson did for

6991
04:43:01,788 --> 04:43:00,180
three blue one brown which is for

6992
04:43:04,490 --> 04:43:01,798
mathematics but we did it for physics

6993
04:43:07,730 --> 04:43:04,500
and while he focused on undergrad slash

6994
04:43:10,670 --> 04:43:07,740
High School level we said let's focus on

6995
04:43:12,170 --> 04:43:10,680
The Graduate level and so that was the

6996
04:43:14,150 --> 04:43:12,180
difference but it was heavily inspired

6997
04:43:16,190 --> 04:43:14,160
if not almost a copy and paste of what

6998
04:43:19,368 --> 04:43:16,200
Grant Sanderson did and I just love

6999
04:43:21,530 --> 04:43:19,378
Grant's channel so hey why not put out a

7000
04:43:23,270 --> 04:43:21,540
contest and if more people can hear

7001
04:43:25,190 --> 04:43:23,280
Advanced physics explanations and

7002
04:43:28,128 --> 04:43:25,200
Consciousness theories and their own

7003
04:43:30,350 --> 04:43:28,138
toes and and elucidations of such well

7004
04:43:32,030 --> 04:43:30,360
why not and some people are just on the

7005
04:43:34,610 --> 04:43:32,040
cusp of putting out content but they

7006
04:43:35,510 --> 04:43:34,620
need a push they need a they need some

7007
04:43:37,190 --> 04:43:35,520
reason

7008
04:43:39,770 --> 04:43:37,200
so I thought this could service that

7009
04:43:42,288 --> 04:43:39,780
that was the primary reason and I was so

7010
04:43:43,910 --> 04:43:42,298
me Sam like the whole team and the

7011
04:43:46,610 --> 04:43:43,920
people that we showed it to and even the

7012
04:43:49,430 --> 04:43:46,620
other people who submitted we were all

7013
04:43:52,368 --> 04:43:49,440
extremely surprised at the Quality and

7014
04:43:53,390 --> 04:43:52,378
the quantity of the submissions I

7015
04:43:56,150 --> 04:43:53,400
thought that we'd get like five

7016
04:43:59,770 --> 04:43:56,160
submissions or even ten and we got over

7017
04:44:02,930 --> 04:43:59,780
50. and they were all

7018
04:44:05,090 --> 04:44:02,940
extremely well almost all extremely

7019
04:44:06,948 --> 04:44:05,100
impressive and to narrow it down to even

7020
04:44:08,628 --> 04:44:06,958
a top 20 was

7021
04:44:10,910 --> 04:44:08,638
look at that

7022
04:44:13,368 --> 04:44:10,920
it was extremely difficult we did that

7023
04:44:15,470 --> 04:44:13,378
over the course of weeks with a process

7024
04:44:16,368 --> 04:44:15,480
called peer review and then also showing

7025
04:44:18,830 --> 04:44:16,378
it to

7026
04:44:20,930 --> 04:44:18,840
other academics as well as ourselves and

7027
04:44:22,550 --> 04:44:20,940
debating and so on so I'm going to on

7028
04:44:23,750 --> 04:44:22,560
I'm going to give the honorable mentions

7029
04:44:25,430 --> 04:44:23,760
right now

7030
04:44:26,990 --> 04:44:25,440
these are not the winners and just so

7031
04:44:28,550 --> 04:44:27,000
you know each of the winners

7032
04:44:31,010 --> 04:44:28,560
they get one thousand dollars from

7033
04:44:34,910 --> 04:44:31,020
brilliant so the honorable mentions

7034
04:44:39,470 --> 04:44:36,050
okay

7035
04:44:41,030 --> 04:44:39,480
the ctmu in five questions by just here

7036
04:44:42,708 --> 04:44:41,040
for Theo

7037
04:44:44,030 --> 04:44:42,718
links to all of these will be in the

7038
04:44:48,890 --> 04:44:44,040
final

7039
04:44:50,330 --> 04:44:48,900
about a week or two weeks but I'm just

7040
04:44:53,030 --> 04:44:50,340
saying hey this is an honorable mention

7041
04:44:55,190 --> 04:44:53,040
anyone who's honorably mentioned feel

7042
04:44:56,390 --> 04:44:55,200
free to DM me on Twitter and I'll invite

7043
04:44:58,010 --> 04:44:56,400
you onto the stream again we got to keep

7044
04:44:59,750 --> 04:44:58,020
it short maybe even five minutes but I

7045
04:45:01,670 --> 04:44:59,760
just want to say hi to you

7046
04:45:03,170 --> 04:45:01,680
regularity and non-standard models of

7047
04:45:04,490 --> 04:45:03,180
arithmetic by

7048
04:45:08,208 --> 04:45:04,500
Nicole

7049
04:45:10,010 --> 04:45:08,218
how I stumbled upon the best Theory of

7050
04:45:11,330 --> 04:45:10,020
Everything yet by the memes of

7051
04:45:13,910 --> 04:45:11,340
Destruction

7052
04:45:15,830 --> 04:45:13,920
an interconnected system of energy by

7053
04:45:19,430 --> 04:45:15,840
Hassam Wadi

7054
04:45:21,410 --> 04:45:19,440
toe for Kurt Alexei novitsky sorry I

7055
04:45:25,368 --> 04:45:21,420
didn't want to mispronounce that jumping

7056
04:45:27,850 --> 04:45:25,378
continuity Theory by Daniel Barca

7057
04:45:31,730 --> 04:45:27,860
unified theory of thermodynamics

7058
04:45:33,050 --> 04:45:31,740
space-time by Sandro Guerra who are we

7059
04:45:35,690 --> 04:45:33,060
what are we where are we going by

7060
04:45:37,368 --> 04:45:35,700
knowing geez those are okay some deep

7061
04:45:39,530 --> 04:45:37,378
questions double slit experiments

7062
04:45:41,150 --> 04:45:39,540
misconceptions part one by dose of

7063
04:45:43,128 --> 04:45:41,160
science these are all the runner-ups

7064
04:45:45,590 --> 04:45:43,138
sorry not the runner well honorable

7065
04:45:45,600 --> 04:45:49,730
the matter of space by Brian

7066
04:45:54,230 --> 04:45:51,890
the easy solution to Consciousness by

7067
04:45:57,050 --> 04:45:54,240
Inner sense Loop quantum gravity and

7068
04:45:59,050 --> 04:45:57,060
group feel Theory a very short overview

7069
04:46:03,288 --> 04:45:59,060
by Dr

7070
04:46:05,208 --> 04:46:03,298
nadarajan the infinity limited by James

7071
04:46:07,250 --> 04:46:05,218
ciros

7072
04:46:09,110 --> 04:46:07,260
narrative Theory Of Consciousness by

7073
04:46:11,448 --> 04:46:09,120
opt-in optimist

7074
04:46:13,670 --> 04:46:11,458
intro to the quantum harmonic oscillator

7075
04:46:15,590 --> 04:46:13,680
in nine minutes by Richard behel that

7076
04:46:17,510 --> 04:46:15,600
one I love the

7077
04:46:19,368 --> 04:46:17,520
well I don't want to comment on anyone

7078
04:46:21,650 --> 04:46:19,378
in particular because then but it was

7079
04:46:24,430 --> 04:46:21,660
great lagrangian mechanics three by

7080
04:46:27,530 --> 04:46:24,440
physics fluency Theory of Everything

7081
04:46:31,250 --> 04:46:27,540
s-g-t-o-e Evolution one by Sonic gravity

7082
04:46:34,190 --> 04:46:31,260
podcast what is E8 good for by quantum

7083
04:46:37,010 --> 04:46:34,200
gravity research that was also great the

7084
04:46:39,590 --> 04:46:37,020
cosmic detective evolving Dimensions by

7085
04:46:41,868 --> 04:46:39,600
Divergent Unity man I'm sure you all can

7086
04:46:43,190 --> 04:46:41,878
tell just by these titles alone you want

7087
04:46:45,410 --> 04:46:43,200
them written down somewhere I'll write

7088
04:46:47,390 --> 04:46:45,420
them in the com it's difficult for me to

7089
04:46:48,948 --> 04:46:47,400
write them in the comments but once this

7090
04:46:50,330 --> 04:46:48,958
is re-released this will this will be in

7091
04:46:54,830 --> 04:46:50,340
the description as well as there's a

7092
04:46:56,990 --> 04:46:54,840
video which will outline each of these

7093
04:46:59,810 --> 04:46:57,000
and I'm sure you're enticed by the

7094
04:47:01,670 --> 04:46:59,820
titles alone the cosmic detective

7095
04:47:04,670 --> 04:47:01,680
evolving Dimensions by Divergent Unity

7096
04:47:11,150 --> 04:47:04,680
number six

7097
04:47:13,250 --> 04:47:11,160
during the live stream I had forgotten

7098
04:47:15,650 --> 04:47:13,260
to mention unzeker who's one of the pace

7099
04:47:18,288 --> 04:47:15,660
one honorable mentions here is his video

7100
04:47:19,850 --> 04:47:18,298
and of course unzicker will be listed

7101
04:47:21,948 --> 04:47:19,860
alongside the rest of the honorable

7102
04:47:24,650 --> 04:47:21,958
mentions in the final Pace one video

7103
04:47:26,208 --> 04:47:24,660
which is coming out in a couple weeks

7104
04:47:29,208 --> 04:47:26,218
I'm going to announce the winners right

7105
04:47:34,190 --> 04:47:29,218
now triadic idealism a model for the

7106
04:47:39,830 --> 04:47:37,368
that is a fascinating video

7107
04:47:42,530 --> 04:47:39,840
so we will place the YouTube Links of

7108
04:47:45,650 --> 04:47:42,540
all of these in this in the comment chat

7109
04:47:47,330 --> 04:47:45,660
shortly time independent Solutions in

7110
04:47:48,590 --> 04:47:47,340
electrodynamics

7111
04:47:53,470 --> 04:47:48,600
by nood

7112
04:48:01,850 --> 04:47:56,448
space-time metric by dialect

7113
04:48:09,410 --> 04:48:03,708
just two left can math explain

7114
04:48:16,810 --> 04:48:14,510
and the last winner is EP no in the

7115
04:48:22,270 --> 04:48:16,820
beginning surreal physics

7116
04:48:26,570 --> 04:48:24,530
a special mention has to go through

7117
04:48:29,810 --> 04:48:26,580
theories of everything the how-to guide

7118
04:48:32,448 --> 04:48:29,820
by Tyler Goldstein it's not a winner

7119
04:48:33,948 --> 04:48:32,458
but I feel like it deserves a class of

7120
04:48:35,628 --> 04:48:33,958
its own it's not an honorable mention

7121
04:48:37,788 --> 04:48:35,638
it's not a winner but it needs to be

7122
04:48:39,948 --> 04:48:37,798
super honorably mentioned

7123
04:48:41,990 --> 04:48:39,958
the well theories of everything the

7124
04:48:43,368 --> 04:48:42,000
how-to guide by Tyler Goldstein you can

7125
04:48:45,410 --> 04:48:43,378
look this up and again the links will be

7126
04:48:47,448 --> 04:48:45,420
in the comments section and once this is

7127
04:48:49,910 --> 04:48:47,458
finally reposted this is a live stream

7128
04:48:52,610 --> 04:48:49,920
it will be in the description

7129
04:48:54,170 --> 04:48:52,620
congratulations to everyone thank you

7130
04:48:56,208 --> 04:48:54,180
all thank you all so much for submitting

7131
04:48:57,770 --> 04:48:56,218
to this again if you heard your name you

7132
04:48:59,208 --> 04:48:57,780
heard your video title or you heard or

7133
04:49:01,730 --> 04:48:59,218
you heard your name message me on

7134
04:49:03,590 --> 04:49:01,740
Twitter tow with Kurt DM me my DMs are

7135
04:49:05,868 --> 04:49:03,600
open and I'll give you a link to come on

7136
04:49:07,490 --> 04:49:05,878
you'll come on even for two minutes just

7137
04:49:08,510 --> 04:49:07,500
so that the audience can congratulate

7138
04:49:14,390 --> 04:49:08,520
you

7139
04:49:17,150 --> 04:49:14,400
put out put out so much put so much

7140
04:49:20,448 --> 04:49:17,160
energy so much effort so much creative

7141
04:49:22,010 --> 04:49:20,458
goodness goodness goodness in the in the

7142
04:49:23,628 --> 04:49:22,020
world hopefully goodness

7143
04:49:27,050 --> 04:49:23,638
and

7144
04:49:28,670 --> 04:49:27,060
thank you thank you for that I I can't

7145
04:49:30,948 --> 04:49:28,680
be thankful enough I think it's like

7146
04:49:33,050 --> 04:49:30,958
it's just astounding it's astounding

7147
04:49:34,550 --> 04:49:33,060
staggering what you all were able to

7148
04:49:38,208 --> 04:49:34,560
produce

7149
04:49:40,190 --> 04:49:38,218
geez so red panda koala was supposed to

7150
04:49:51,288 --> 04:49:40,200
come out he cannot make it today

7151
04:49:56,628 --> 04:49:53,288
a bit slow

7152
04:49:58,550 --> 04:49:56,638
while I'm waiting for some of those

7153
04:50:00,890 --> 04:49:58,560
people to message

7154
04:50:02,810 --> 04:50:00,900
how about we take a break five ten

7155
04:50:05,150 --> 04:50:02,820
minute break I'll play some music I'll

7156
04:50:06,650 --> 04:50:05,160
stretch my legs thank you all Daniel I

7157
04:50:08,330 --> 04:50:06,660
see you're here 10 minute break okay

7158
04:50:09,590 --> 04:50:08,340
I'll come back in 10 minutes and then

7159
04:50:12,948 --> 04:50:09,600
we'll speak for a couple minutes how

7160
04:50:16,010 --> 04:50:12,958
does that sound just nod

7161
04:50:20,330 --> 04:50:16,020
Daniel can you hear me

7162
04:50:22,850 --> 04:50:20,340
just give me a thumbs up if you can hear

7163
04:50:24,770 --> 04:50:22,860
me yeah yeah great okay 10 minutes okay

7164
04:50:26,390 --> 04:50:24,780
Daniel and then

7165
04:50:27,650 --> 04:50:26,400
we'll come back and you'll be in for a

7166
04:50:30,530 --> 04:50:27,660
couple minutes I want to say hi to you

7167
04:50:33,948 --> 04:50:32,150
Justin a little while longer and if

7168
04:50:36,470 --> 04:50:33,958
anyone is wondering what the heck is

7169
04:50:38,750 --> 04:50:36,480
this Channel about my name is Kurt J

7170
04:50:40,610 --> 04:50:38,760
Mongol I have a channel here called

7171
04:50:42,650 --> 04:50:40,620
theories of everything which is about

7172
04:50:44,448 --> 04:50:42,660
exploring fundamental reality

7173
04:50:45,948 --> 04:50:44,458
Consciousness mainly from a physics

7174
04:50:48,708 --> 04:50:45,958
perspective there are plenty of plans

7175
04:50:51,050 --> 04:50:48,718
for 2023 that don't just involve the

7176
04:50:54,708 --> 04:50:51,060
podcast format I also want to thank

7177
04:50:56,030 --> 04:50:54,718
brilliant our sponsor for this if you're

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04:50:57,708 --> 04:50:56,040
familiar with toe you're familiar with

7179
04:50:59,930 --> 04:50:57,718
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7180
04:51:01,550 --> 04:50:59,940
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7181
04:51:03,470 --> 04:51:01,560
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7182
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through these bite-sized Interactive

7183
04:51:07,250 --> 04:51:05,638
Learning experiences for example and I

7184
04:51:08,810 --> 04:51:07,260
keep saying this I would like to do a

7185
04:51:11,330 --> 04:51:08,820
podcast on information Theory

7186
04:51:13,670 --> 04:51:11,340
particularly Chiara marleto which is

7187
04:51:15,288 --> 04:51:13,680
David Deutsch's student has a theory of

7188
04:51:17,208 --> 04:51:15,298
everything that she puts forward called

7189
04:51:19,368 --> 04:51:17,218
Constructor Theory which is heavily

7190
04:51:21,110 --> 04:51:19,378
contingent on information Theory so I

7191
04:51:22,788 --> 04:51:21,120
took their course on random variable

7192
04:51:24,948 --> 04:51:22,798
distributions and knowledge and

7193
04:51:26,868 --> 04:51:24,958
uncertainty in order to learn a bit more

7194
04:51:28,670 --> 04:51:26,878
about entropy now there's this formula

7195
04:51:30,470 --> 04:51:28,680
for entropy essentially hammered into

7196
04:51:32,628 --> 04:51:30,480
you as an undergraduate which seems to

7197
04:51:34,430 --> 04:51:32,638
have fallen from the sky however when

7198
04:51:35,868 --> 04:51:34,440
you take Brilliance course it was the

7199
04:51:38,628 --> 04:51:35,878
first time that I could see that it's an

7200
04:51:40,910 --> 04:51:38,638
extremely clear and intuitive formula

7201
04:51:42,590 --> 04:51:40,920
that is to say that it would be

7202
04:51:45,530 --> 04:51:42,600
unnatural to Define it in any other

7203
04:51:47,810 --> 04:51:45,540
manner visit brilliant.org toe that is

7204
04:51:49,610 --> 04:51:47,820
t-o-e to get 20 off the annual

7205
04:51:52,250 --> 04:51:49,620
subscription and I recommend that you

7206
04:51:54,230 --> 04:51:52,260
don't stop before four lessons I think

7207
04:51:56,090 --> 04:51:54,240
you'll be greatly surprised at the ease

7208
04:51:57,890 --> 04:51:56,100
at which you can now comprehend subjects

7209
04:51:59,690 --> 04:51:57,900
you previously had a difficult time

7210
04:52:00,890 --> 04:51:59,700
grocking at some point I'll also go

7211
04:52:02,330 --> 04:52:00,900
through the courses and give a

7212
04:52:04,788 --> 04:52:02,340
recommendation in order

7213
04:52:08,270 --> 04:52:04,798
Daniel welcome everyone welcome Daniel

7214
04:52:10,550 --> 04:52:08,280
Alexi and James and soon

7215
04:52:13,010 --> 04:52:10,560
the memes of Destruction

7216
04:52:15,050 --> 04:52:13,020
will also come on as well as well thank

7217
04:52:16,610 --> 04:52:15,060
you all thank you all

7218
04:52:21,128 --> 04:52:16,620
good to see you

7219
04:52:26,810 --> 04:52:24,110
thank you so much for your videos

7220
04:52:28,430 --> 04:52:26,820
you I I appreciate it and I'm I'm just

7221
04:52:29,750 --> 04:52:28,440
curious you want to give an overview as

7222
04:52:31,730 --> 04:52:29,760
to what your video was about to the

7223
04:52:33,590 --> 04:52:31,740
audience and then obviously give the

7224
04:52:35,570 --> 04:52:33,600
title give an indication as to where

7225
04:52:39,230 --> 04:52:35,580
they can find out more about you

7226
04:52:40,550 --> 04:52:39,240
so starting with Alexi and then Kurt I

7227
04:52:42,170 --> 04:52:40,560
just want to say very quickly thank you

7228
04:52:44,448 --> 04:52:42,180
for hosting the competition you know

7229
04:52:46,310 --> 04:52:44,458
letting us create these this content and

7230
04:52:47,510 --> 04:52:46,320
getting it out there and I think it's

7231
04:52:48,890 --> 04:52:47,520
great

7232
04:52:50,030 --> 04:52:48,900
um yeah well thank you for producing

7233
04:52:52,550 --> 04:52:50,040
content for you it would be nothing

7234
04:52:55,430 --> 04:52:52,560
without without you man yeah I know for

7235
04:52:58,730 --> 04:52:55,440
sure it's awesome um well my uh video

7236
04:53:00,708 --> 04:52:58,740
was called uh tow for Kurt but the title

7237
04:53:03,590 --> 04:53:00,718
I had on the presentation is from

7238
04:53:05,030 --> 04:53:03,600
relativity to infinity and it primarily

7239
04:53:06,410 --> 04:53:05,040
discusses

7240
04:53:08,330 --> 04:53:06,420
um how you could say almost all

7241
04:53:10,850 --> 04:53:08,340
energetic relationships stem from a

7242
04:53:12,110 --> 04:53:10,860
primal Vortex of creation so a very

7243
04:53:12,830 --> 04:53:12,120
esoteric

7244
04:53:14,628 --> 04:53:12,840
um

7245
04:53:16,190 --> 04:53:14,638
but in in some sense the easiest way to

7246
04:53:17,990 --> 04:53:16,200
put it is is the universe really

7247
04:53:19,610 --> 04:53:18,000
expanding or are perceptions being

7248
04:53:21,830 --> 04:53:19,620
stretched away based off Einstein's

7249
04:53:23,868 --> 04:53:21,840
theory of relativity so a very quick way

7250
04:53:27,110 --> 04:53:23,878
to put it in a couple sentences

7251
04:53:34,128 --> 04:53:29,628
all right uh hello everyone I'm just

7252
04:53:36,830 --> 04:53:34,138
really grateful to be here and just have

7253
04:53:39,170 --> 04:53:36,840
the opportunity to show our Towers

7254
04:53:41,690 --> 04:53:39,180
I'm just working about this in the last

7255
04:53:44,570 --> 04:53:41,700
10 years so and I just holding back in

7256
04:53:48,230 --> 04:53:44,580
the last three years I even sent Kurt

7257
04:53:51,350 --> 04:53:48,240
email in two two years ago I'm all I am

7258
04:53:53,990 --> 04:53:51,360
from Hungary so it was a long time to

7259
04:53:57,530 --> 04:53:54,000
coming but I am here and I am sharing my

7260
04:54:01,368 --> 04:53:57,540
ideas and my video called jumping

7261
04:54:05,510 --> 04:54:01,378
continuity Towery this sounds really too

7262
04:54:08,690 --> 04:54:05,520
specific but I really looked into every

7263
04:54:10,970 --> 04:54:08,700
details on our reality and I'm using a

7264
04:54:14,208 --> 04:54:10,980
big historical a big perspective a

7265
04:54:17,390 --> 04:54:14,218
generalist emergent issue so that's why

7266
04:54:20,690 --> 04:54:17,400
this might be really deep for anyone to

7267
04:54:23,208 --> 04:54:20,700
really go into in the video there is

7268
04:54:25,010 --> 04:54:23,218
lots of description and please watch

7269
04:54:28,430 --> 04:54:25,020
those uh

7270
04:54:30,050 --> 04:54:28,440
you know references and then you you

7271
04:54:32,330 --> 04:54:30,060
might start to understand what I'm

7272
04:54:34,550 --> 04:54:32,340
talking about it's it's a little bit too

7273
04:54:37,850 --> 04:54:34,560
deep to just uh without the background

7274
04:54:41,628 --> 04:54:37,860
knowledge to get into but I try to be as

7275
04:54:45,170 --> 04:54:41,638
specific and as uh grounded as can be so

7276
04:54:46,070 --> 04:54:45,180
I didn't imply too much predictions but

7277
04:54:48,948 --> 04:54:46,080
I have

7278
04:54:50,390 --> 04:54:48,958
plenty of predictions but I wanted to be

7279
04:54:54,350 --> 04:54:50,400
really

7280
04:54:56,510 --> 04:54:54,360
um grounded in this uh video and also I

7281
04:55:00,110 --> 04:54:56,520
just I would like to mention I'm really

7282
04:55:03,770 --> 04:55:00,120
grateful about this whole setup because

7283
04:55:06,948 --> 04:55:03,780
we meet with James actually a bit in

7284
04:55:09,470 --> 04:55:06,958
between this contest and we are arriving

7285
04:55:11,390 --> 04:55:09,480
an even greater Towery together it's

7286
04:55:13,910 --> 04:55:11,400
called Unity Towery and we are working

7287
04:55:17,270 --> 04:55:13,920
on that with even another person from

7288
04:55:20,448 --> 04:55:17,280
the uh contest so

7289
04:55:25,610 --> 04:55:20,458
I'm just really grateful thank you

7290
04:55:29,208 --> 04:55:28,010
and by the way James the link to yours

7291
04:55:31,970 --> 04:55:29,218
and then the link to Daniels and Alexa

7292
04:55:33,590 --> 04:55:31,980
it'll be coming up shortly we're working

7293
04:55:35,390 --> 04:55:33,600
on that and then I'll pin the comments

7294
04:55:37,850 --> 04:55:35,400
for people to look at and again it'll be

7295
04:55:39,708 --> 04:55:37,860
in the description

7296
04:55:41,868 --> 04:55:39,718
all right thank you thank you continue

7297
04:55:43,850 --> 04:55:41,878
James please

7298
04:55:45,830 --> 04:55:43,860
no problem just wanted to say uh thank

7299
04:55:47,830 --> 04:55:45,840
you as well for the contest like uh

7300
04:55:50,810 --> 04:55:47,840
Daniel mentioned it brought us together

7301
04:55:53,650 --> 04:55:50,820
and uh out of which that Unity Theory

7302
04:55:56,810 --> 04:55:53,660
came about so that was very great and um

7303
04:55:58,670 --> 04:55:56,820
yeah uh I'm also from Canada from

7304
04:56:02,270 --> 04:55:58,680
Toronto too so I found that oh I didn't

7305
04:56:05,270 --> 04:56:02,280
know that one we're both filmmakers and

7306
04:56:07,190 --> 04:56:05,280
um what part uh Parkdale grew up in

7307
04:56:09,170 --> 04:56:07,200
Parkdale

7308
04:56:10,850 --> 04:56:09,180
where are you right now without giving

7309
04:56:12,530 --> 04:56:10,860
away your location right now I'm in

7310
04:56:15,230 --> 04:56:12,540
Tunisia but I'll be moving tomorrow

7311
04:56:16,128 --> 04:56:15,240
morning to Colombia actually so kind of

7312
04:56:17,270 --> 04:56:16,138
crazy

7313
04:56:17,990 --> 04:56:17,280
all right

7314
04:56:20,570 --> 04:56:18,000
um

7315
04:56:22,250 --> 04:56:20,580
so my theory was really it's uh it's

7316
04:56:24,410 --> 04:56:22,260
called paradoxism

7317
04:56:27,830 --> 04:56:24,420
and it's based on coexistence Theory

7318
04:56:30,050 --> 04:56:27,840
that's the theory that underpins it and

7319
04:56:32,868 --> 04:56:30,060
out of out of which

7320
04:56:34,670 --> 04:56:32,878
uh emerged my equation it's called The

7321
04:56:37,010 --> 04:56:34,680
Infinity limited and really what it does

7322
04:56:39,470 --> 04:56:37,020
is it reconciles physics and metaphysics

7323
04:56:42,410 --> 04:56:39,480
uh because I I like to be as clean as

7324
04:56:44,750 --> 04:56:42,420
possible in Theory of Everything try to

7325
04:56:45,350 --> 04:56:44,760
understand what it is that

7326
04:56:48,170 --> 04:56:45,360
um

7327
04:56:50,270 --> 04:56:48,180
what is that creates uh the coherence

7328
04:56:52,490 --> 04:56:50,280
between people and I think if we're

7329
04:56:54,230 --> 04:56:52,500
going to find conciliation between

7330
04:56:55,788 --> 04:56:54,240
theories of everything then ultimately

7331
04:56:57,590 --> 04:56:55,798
that's what has to be done is the

7332
04:56:59,330 --> 04:56:57,600
reconciliation between physics and

7333
04:57:01,910 --> 04:56:59,340
metaphysics so that's why I discuss uh

7334
04:57:04,368 --> 04:57:01,920
void nothingness and existence in my

7335
04:57:06,350 --> 04:57:04,378
theory so that's what it was about

7336
04:57:09,590 --> 04:57:06,360
okay thank you and just for the person

7337
04:57:12,230 --> 04:57:09,600
who is waiting shosh which or Shosh

7338
04:57:14,690 --> 04:57:12,240
please just continue two weights

7339
04:57:17,510 --> 04:57:14,700
for another about five minutes or so

7340
04:57:20,628 --> 04:57:17,520
okay thank you thank you so the memes of

7341
04:57:23,150 --> 04:57:20,638
Destruction is here oh hey guys what's

7342
04:57:25,250 --> 04:57:23,160
going on I know some of these people

7343
04:57:27,410 --> 04:57:25,260
here and just that was one of the

7344
04:57:29,390 --> 04:57:27,420
greatest Parts about this whole thing is

7345
04:57:31,070 --> 04:57:29,400
just because as soon as you have a goal

7346
04:57:32,570 --> 04:57:31,080
as soon as you have a purpose for doing

7347
04:57:35,090 --> 04:57:32,580
something and we all have a purpose in

7348
04:57:37,368 --> 04:57:35,100
life you can actually start to integrate

7349
04:57:39,650 --> 04:57:37,378
with other human beings different ages

7350
04:57:41,510 --> 04:57:39,660
coming together sharing ideas and all of

7351
04:57:43,250 --> 04:57:41,520
a sudden somebody may have had a great

7352
04:57:45,830 --> 04:57:43,260
idea but they just need that one little

7353
04:57:47,390 --> 04:57:45,840
extra bit that one little extra push and

7354
04:57:48,410 --> 04:57:47,400
all of a sudden somebody's just having a

7355
04:57:50,390 --> 04:57:48,420
conversation they mentioned something

7356
04:57:52,010 --> 04:57:50,400
it's like I didn't know that existed let

7357
04:57:53,570 --> 04:57:52,020
me go to the Wikipedia oh look hey

7358
04:57:55,190 --> 04:57:53,580
here's some links to some articles and

7359
04:57:57,708 --> 04:57:55,200
everything and we can start a moment

7360
04:57:58,670 --> 04:57:57,718
just a moment just a moment because I

7361
04:58:00,410 --> 04:57:58,680
think that

7362
04:58:01,670 --> 04:58:00,420
I don't know if it's you or if it's me

7363
04:58:03,470 --> 04:58:01,680
is anyone else hearing the audio

7364
04:58:06,230 --> 04:58:03,480
feedback there is some feedback I don't

7365
04:58:08,150 --> 04:58:06,240
know somebody's not here one moment okay

7366
04:58:09,410 --> 04:58:08,160
I'm sorry it's interrupt you can you

7367
04:58:11,930 --> 04:58:09,420
complete can you complete your thought

7368
04:58:14,570 --> 04:58:11,940
please finish oh no no absolutely it's

7369
04:58:16,430 --> 04:58:14,580
just yeah I I I I'm used to it I've came

7370
04:58:18,050 --> 04:58:16,440
from some dark areas of YouTube at one

7371
04:58:19,850 --> 04:58:18,060
point so I'm used to different feedbacks

7372
04:58:22,550 --> 04:58:19,860
but it's one of those things where it's

7373
04:58:24,830 --> 04:58:22,560
just no matter what's going on it's just

7374
04:58:27,230 --> 04:58:24,840
you have the ability of different folks

7375
04:58:30,050 --> 04:58:27,240
different areas to actually start to

7376
04:58:32,208 --> 04:58:30,060
integrate to actually communicate I

7377
04:58:34,970 --> 04:58:32,218
conjecture this is the Internet working

7378
04:58:37,690 --> 04:58:34,980
as intended thank you Kurt and thank you

7379
04:58:42,230 --> 04:58:39,948
thank you all I'm gonna have to kick you

7380
04:58:44,930 --> 04:58:42,240
all out and I I mean that in a polite

7381
04:58:46,730 --> 04:58:44,940
way and we'll all talk again and hey

7382
04:58:48,230 --> 04:58:46,740
Alexa thank you and it's good like we

7383
04:58:51,590 --> 04:58:48,240
had a misunderstanding I apologize about

7384
04:58:53,030 --> 04:58:51,600
that so we'll we will fix that up and we

7385
04:58:54,830 --> 04:58:53,040
already have but we'll also talk again

7386
04:58:57,590 --> 04:58:54,840
James thank you Daniel thank you the

7387
04:59:00,050 --> 04:58:57,600
memes of Destruction thank you

7388
04:59:08,590 --> 04:59:00,060
thank you Kurt appreciate it okay

7389
04:59:12,948 --> 04:59:11,150
is good you call me Bryn I have way too

7390
04:59:15,050 --> 04:59:12,958
many names hi nice to meet all of you

7391
04:59:17,570 --> 04:59:15,060
just uh this has been such a fascinating

7392
04:59:20,270 --> 04:59:17,580
I've been on since it started listening

7393
04:59:23,270 --> 04:59:20,280
and taking notes and just uh yeah it's

7394
04:59:25,670 --> 04:59:23,280
an honor to be here what what fun thank

7395
04:59:26,930 --> 04:59:25,680
you thank you so much it's a it's a

7396
04:59:29,270 --> 04:59:26,940
pleasure to have you on can you please

7397
04:59:31,368 --> 04:59:29,280
tell them what podcast you have so that

7398
04:59:33,050 --> 04:59:31,378
of course and before I jump on is there

7399
04:59:35,628 --> 04:59:33,060
any chance that no words if not my

7400
04:59:37,850 --> 04:59:35,638
colleague nifa is from the eprc and does

7401
04:59:39,590 --> 04:59:37,860
amazing work um connected to you I was

7402
04:59:42,050 --> 04:59:39,600
wondering if is it okay if he jumped on

7403
04:59:42,948 --> 04:59:42,060
at some point yes yes and just so you

7404
04:59:45,830 --> 04:59:42,958
know

7405
04:59:47,628 --> 04:59:45,840
the person who whose first name I don't

7406
04:59:48,590 --> 04:59:47,638
want to spoil it starts with an R who is

7407
04:59:50,750 --> 04:59:48,600
waiting

7408
04:59:53,750 --> 04:59:50,760
can you please wait for another four

7409
04:59:56,090 --> 04:59:53,760
minutes so Josh nephe I don't mean to

7410
04:59:57,890 --> 04:59:56,100
just rush you all but we only have four

7411
04:59:59,750 --> 04:59:57,900
minutes and I just want to talk to you

7412
05:00:02,150 --> 04:59:59,760
all I want to say thank you for for just

7413
05:00:04,010 --> 05:00:02,160
connecting over LinkedIn and to let

7414
05:00:06,350 --> 05:00:04,020
everyone know about your work absolutely

7415
05:00:07,910 --> 05:00:06,360
yeah so my podcast less important is

7416
05:00:09,350 --> 05:00:07,920
called the brains and banter podcast I

7417
05:00:10,850 --> 05:00:09,360
would love to have Kurt on at some point

7418
05:00:12,470 --> 05:00:10,860
same with nifa

7419
05:00:14,628 --> 05:00:12,480
um but yeah I'm an assistant professor

7420
05:00:16,190 --> 05:00:14,638
at University of Bishops uh limited term

7421
05:00:17,628 --> 05:00:16,200
appointment right now but I'm hoping to

7422
05:00:19,368 --> 05:00:17,638
stay forever

7423
05:00:21,288 --> 05:00:19,378
um but yeah I'm really interested in the

7424
05:00:23,330 --> 05:00:21,298
Neuroscience of the imagination and of

7425
05:00:25,430 --> 05:00:23,340
empathy and also um you were talking

7426
05:00:27,288 --> 05:00:25,440
early about poetry and creativity but

7427
05:00:28,850 --> 05:00:27,298
specifically AI

7428
05:00:30,948 --> 05:00:28,860
um so I do a lot of work too on whether

7429
05:00:32,510 --> 05:00:30,958
AI can create poetry in the same way

7430
05:00:34,070 --> 05:00:32,520
that a human would

7431
05:00:37,070 --> 05:00:34,080
um and whether people can recognize

7432
05:00:38,810 --> 05:00:37,080
whether a poem written by AI is written

7433
05:00:41,628 --> 05:00:38,820
by AI or human I try to trick my

7434
05:00:43,190 --> 05:00:41,638
students often with it and it's very fun

7435
05:00:44,750 --> 05:00:43,200
um but yeah just just so interested I

7436
05:00:46,490 --> 05:00:44,760
wanted to mention quickly

7437
05:00:48,530 --> 05:00:46,500
um I think it was Bernardo who talked

7438
05:00:50,390 --> 05:00:48,540
about nothing being pregnant with every

7439
05:00:52,010 --> 05:00:50,400
thing and I just thought that was the

7440
05:00:53,868 --> 05:00:52,020
most beautiful quotation so I wanted to

7441
05:00:55,970 --> 05:00:53,878
mention that but yeah thanks for having

7442
05:00:57,890 --> 05:00:55,980
me and I'm also a member of the emergent

7443
05:01:00,230 --> 05:00:57,900
phenomenology research Consortium which

7444
05:01:01,850 --> 05:01:00,240
is how I know nifa he's also a member

7445
05:01:04,368 --> 05:01:01,860
um but this it's an amazing group of 100

7446
05:01:05,930 --> 05:01:04,378
plus researchers well over 100 now from

7447
05:01:09,350 --> 05:01:05,940
across the world and different cultures

7448
05:01:11,270 --> 05:01:09,360
looking at emergent phenomena which are

7449
05:01:13,970 --> 05:01:11,280
like spiritual phenomena that result

7450
05:01:15,948 --> 05:01:13,980
from practices such as yoga or the use

7451
05:01:18,470 --> 05:01:15,958
of psychedelics or meditation or

7452
05:01:20,448 --> 05:01:18,480
chanting and some of the facts that come

7453
05:01:23,030 --> 05:01:20,458
of that so it's an amazing group of

7454
05:01:24,590 --> 05:01:23,040
people but I'd like to get a chance to

7455
05:01:26,270 --> 05:01:24,600
talk about his work because you two are

7456
05:01:27,368 --> 05:01:26,280
going to be best friends in the next

7457
05:01:30,350 --> 05:01:27,378
week

7458
05:01:31,910 --> 05:01:30,360
and I apologize We have basically two

7459
05:01:33,230 --> 05:01:31,920
minutes and I'm so sorry I don't mean to

7460
05:01:34,610 --> 05:01:33,240
like put you on the spot and say hey

7461
05:01:37,610 --> 05:01:34,620
just have two minutes

7462
05:01:39,530 --> 05:01:37,620
but we gotta that is totally all right

7463
05:01:41,270 --> 05:01:39,540
totally all right thank you so much for

7464
05:01:42,948 --> 05:01:41,280
having me Kurt I really appreciate that

7465
05:01:46,368 --> 05:01:42,958
I appreciate you coming on

7466
05:01:48,830 --> 05:01:46,378
so I work with uh Bryn in the emergence

7467
05:01:51,830 --> 05:01:48,840
uh phenomenal phenomenology research

7468
05:01:54,948 --> 05:01:51,840
Consortium just like she said uh I'm a

7469
05:01:56,690 --> 05:01:54,958
physicist and uh applied a probabilists

7470
05:01:59,090 --> 05:01:56,700
on my first degree was in physics then I

7471
05:02:00,708 --> 05:01:59,100
worked and applied probability and in

7472
05:02:02,570 --> 05:02:00,718
the PRC we're doing some really cool

7473
05:02:04,670 --> 05:02:02,580
stuff where we're trying to

7474
05:02:07,788 --> 05:02:04,680
figure out how to

7475
05:02:09,890 --> 05:02:07,798
um bring together all of the meditation

7476
05:02:11,930 --> 05:02:09,900
and psychedelics reports that people

7477
05:02:14,330 --> 05:02:11,940
have made online like literally all of

7478
05:02:16,250 --> 05:02:14,340
it if we can and

7479
05:02:18,350 --> 05:02:16,260
um let loose some neural network stuff

7480
05:02:19,670 --> 05:02:18,360
on it to see if we can figure out uh

7481
05:02:23,030 --> 05:02:19,680
what the actual effects of meditation

7482
05:02:26,090 --> 05:02:23,040
are as reported by tons and tons of

7483
05:02:28,128 --> 05:02:26,100
people online for years and years so

7484
05:02:30,110 --> 05:02:28,138
that's what we're trying to do

7485
05:02:31,970 --> 05:02:30,120
um so if you feel so inclined please

7486
05:02:33,288 --> 05:02:31,980
help us out with with that work in

7487
05:02:35,510 --> 05:02:33,298
whatever way you can it's awesome

7488
05:02:37,430 --> 05:02:35,520
absolutely and quickly The Dark Knight

7489
05:02:38,208 --> 05:02:37,440
of the Soul stuff too so important as

7490
05:02:40,250 --> 05:02:38,218
well

7491
05:02:42,110 --> 05:02:40,260
um so Anna you've talked about her too

7492
05:02:43,910 --> 05:02:42,120
Kurt but I have a feeling that the next

7493
05:02:47,270 --> 05:02:43,920
guess is coming on

7494
05:02:49,128 --> 05:02:47,280
yes yes yes yeah okay so I'll say

7495
05:02:51,890 --> 05:02:49,138
goodbye to all of you and then R I will

7496
05:02:54,230 --> 05:02:51,900
let you in and then

7497
05:02:56,448 --> 05:02:54,240
person with the last name K I will have

7498
05:02:59,810 --> 05:02:56,458
to can you wait five minutes down there

7499
05:03:01,990 --> 05:02:59,820
okay thank you thank you goodbye so good

7500
05:03:06,770 --> 05:03:02,000
to see you yeah

7501
05:03:11,510 --> 05:03:08,990
okay so the next guest doesn't need an

7502
05:03:13,730 --> 05:03:11,520
introduction I can just say his initials

7503
05:03:15,190 --> 05:03:13,740
and you'll probably guess Rd r d is

7504
05:03:17,510 --> 05:03:15,200
coming on

7505
05:03:21,610 --> 05:03:17,520
what's up

7506
05:03:23,990 --> 05:03:21,620
okay good to see you Richie

7507
05:03:26,510 --> 05:03:24,000
such a good one everyone Richard Dolan

7508
05:03:28,430 --> 05:03:26,520
is here hi Kurt hey thank you this is

7509
05:03:31,850 --> 05:03:28,440
you've been going for five and a half

7510
05:03:33,288 --> 05:03:31,860
hours I see I'm kind of Blown Away by uh

7511
05:03:35,810 --> 05:03:33,298
your and I think you're setting an

7512
05:03:37,430 --> 05:03:35,820
endurance record here so uh well done I

7513
05:03:39,490 --> 05:03:37,440
only caught a little bit but it seemed

7514
05:03:42,708 --> 05:03:39,500
like you're doing a heck of a job

7515
05:03:45,770 --> 05:03:42,718
managing the flow of everything so uh

7516
05:03:47,330 --> 05:03:45,780
well done man yeah it's a bit hectic so

7517
05:03:49,610 --> 05:03:47,340
so rich

7518
05:03:51,288 --> 05:03:49,620
what are you looking forward to in 2023

7519
05:03:52,730 --> 05:03:51,298
no

7520
05:03:55,070 --> 05:03:52,740
um building a little bunker digging a

7521
05:03:57,350 --> 05:03:55,080
deep hole I'm just gonna hide as deep

7522
05:03:58,910 --> 05:03:57,360
and as far as I can but when I'm not

7523
05:04:01,250 --> 05:03:58,920
doing that I'll still be looking at the

7524
05:04:04,730 --> 05:04:01,260
UFO subject I'll still be looking at the

7525
05:04:07,190 --> 05:04:04,740
dissolution of global geopolitics and uh

7526
05:04:09,590 --> 05:04:07,200
the world around us and seeing how long

7527
05:04:11,510 --> 05:04:09,600
we can hang on before

7528
05:04:12,770 --> 05:04:11,520
things get really crazy if you think

7529
05:04:15,948 --> 05:04:12,780
they're crazy now I think it's going to

7530
05:04:17,390 --> 05:04:15,958
be a lot more a lot more ahead in 2023.

7531
05:04:19,970 --> 05:04:17,400
I don't think there's going to be a

7532
05:04:23,030 --> 05:04:19,980
respite from the insanity

7533
05:04:25,250 --> 05:04:23,040
and I wanted to tell the audience where

7534
05:04:27,110 --> 05:04:25,260
they can find more out about you or what

7535
05:04:28,490 --> 05:04:27,120
you have going on next and I was

7536
05:04:30,530 --> 05:04:28,500
supposed to take that link I don't know

7537
05:04:33,050 --> 05:04:30,540
if I did uh it's just fine don't worry

7538
05:04:35,030 --> 05:04:33,060
about it I have a I had a new book that

7539
05:04:35,990 --> 05:04:35,040
I uh I just did a new edition of one of

7540
05:04:38,030 --> 05:04:36,000
my books

7541
05:04:41,510 --> 05:04:38,040
but I have it here can I show it on this

7542
05:04:44,628 --> 05:04:41,520
little yeah my latest UFOs for the 21st

7543
05:04:46,250 --> 05:04:44,638
century mind uh the old Edition had a

7544
05:04:47,628 --> 05:04:46,260
bit of a Monty Python look this is

7545
05:04:50,150 --> 05:04:47,638
actually a little you're close for the

7546
05:04:52,250 --> 05:04:50,160
21st century this is Richard Dolan's

7547
05:04:55,368 --> 05:04:52,260
work I'm pinning it so people who would

7548
05:04:57,770 --> 05:04:55,378
like to search this and buy it or at

7549
05:04:59,270 --> 05:04:57,780
least check it out here is the title and

7550
05:05:00,890 --> 05:04:59,280
again it'll be in the description once

7551
05:05:03,650 --> 05:05:00,900
this finally goes thank you thank you

7552
05:05:05,448 --> 05:05:03,660
it's I wrote quite a bit more to this so

7553
05:05:07,788 --> 05:05:05,458
it's an updated version of a book that I

7554
05:05:09,650 --> 05:05:07,798
wrote almost a decade ago and I just

7555
05:05:12,948 --> 05:05:09,660
wanted to bring the UFO story up today

7556
05:05:15,110 --> 05:05:12,958
to the end of 2022 which I just did so I

7557
05:05:16,910 --> 05:05:15,120
was happy about that

7558
05:05:19,310 --> 05:05:16,920
um but I keep myself busy with all kinds

7559
05:05:21,170 --> 05:05:19,320
of analysis of the UFO situation is

7560
05:05:23,868 --> 05:05:21,180
there going to be a disclosure in the

7561
05:05:26,448 --> 05:05:23,878
next year or two or not we're going to

7562
05:05:28,610 --> 05:05:26,458
progress we're going to regress and I

7563
05:05:30,288 --> 05:05:28,620
have conversations with people pretty

7564
05:05:33,770 --> 05:05:30,298
much every day

7565
05:05:37,788 --> 05:05:33,780
uh about that matter it just never stops

7566
05:05:39,948 --> 05:05:37,798
I think we're in a really uh you know

7567
05:05:41,570 --> 05:05:39,958
I think when we were all of us were

7568
05:05:45,350 --> 05:05:41,580
little I don't think any of us had an

7569
05:05:46,910 --> 05:05:45,360
idea of just how fast-paced the world

7570
05:05:49,010 --> 05:05:46,920
was going to become

7571
05:05:51,410 --> 05:05:49,020
uh it's always been fast but my goodness

7572
05:05:53,090 --> 05:05:51,420
it's just gone into high gear so

7573
05:05:55,430 --> 05:05:53,100
uh I'm definitely going to be looking

7574
05:05:57,410 --> 05:05:55,440
forward to monitoring and commenting on

7575
05:05:59,750 --> 05:05:57,420
everything that happens in my little

7576
05:06:01,550 --> 05:05:59,760
area for the coming year that's for sure

7577
05:06:03,770 --> 05:06:01,560
and your YouTube channel is Richard

7578
05:06:05,628 --> 05:06:03,780
Dolan you just search that correct

7579
05:06:09,708 --> 05:06:05,638
uh Richard Allen intelligent disclosure

7580
05:06:11,150 --> 05:06:09,718
yeah uh name of one of my programs and I

7581
05:06:13,190 --> 05:06:11,160
do have a website I have a member's

7582
05:06:16,490 --> 05:06:13,200
website Richard olamembers.com where I

7583
05:06:18,590 --> 05:06:16,500
do a lot of work there as well uh for a

7584
05:06:21,948 --> 05:06:18,600
really cool community of people

7585
05:06:23,510 --> 05:06:21,958
so uh that is that is what I do yeah

7586
05:06:25,610 --> 05:06:23,520
okay you're staying on you're not

7587
05:06:28,610 --> 05:06:25,620
getting up that easy but not that easily

7588
05:06:32,448 --> 05:06:28,620
I want to let in Dr Brian Keating

7589
05:06:34,250 --> 05:06:32,458
as well as one of the runner-ups for the

7590
05:06:36,288 --> 05:06:34,260
contest his name is Brad from Sonic

7591
05:06:40,128 --> 05:06:36,298
gravity

7592
05:06:42,650 --> 05:06:40,138
hello Dr Brian Keating the legend the

7593
05:06:44,208 --> 05:06:42,660
legend is here and Brad I've heard so

7594
05:06:46,128 --> 05:06:44,218
much about you so you're a legend as

7595
05:06:47,868 --> 05:06:46,138
well at least to myself we're gonna

7596
05:06:49,910 --> 05:06:47,878
stick with Brian keating's intro first

7597
05:06:52,730 --> 05:06:49,920
so Brian

7598
05:06:54,288 --> 05:06:52,740
Brian is a I don't I don't know how you

7599
05:06:56,930 --> 05:06:54,298
do it man like

7600
05:06:58,610 --> 05:06:56,940
not only if you just read Wikipedia as

7601
05:07:00,110 --> 05:06:58,620
to your accolades and your current

7602
05:07:01,490 --> 05:07:00,120
status so you're not only a professor

7603
05:07:03,050 --> 05:07:01,500
you're a particular kind of Professor

7604
05:07:04,670 --> 05:07:03,060
the chancellor chair of someone so like

7605
05:07:07,610 --> 05:07:04,680
you're gonna say it much better than I

7606
05:07:09,948 --> 05:07:07,620
can I don't recall it just like

7607
05:07:12,890 --> 05:07:09,958
six adjectives before your name usually

7608
05:07:14,090 --> 05:07:12,900
and then you have a podcast and then not

7609
05:07:16,190 --> 05:07:14,100
only that but you put up way more

7610
05:07:20,090 --> 05:07:16,200
content than myself which I'm

7611
05:07:22,190 --> 05:07:20,100
desire yourself and you know yeah

7612
05:07:25,368 --> 05:07:22,200
extremely desire yourself

7613
05:07:27,770 --> 05:07:25,378
you also have kids you don't just have

7614
05:07:29,330 --> 05:07:27,780
one kid which is more than enough you

7615
05:07:31,310 --> 05:07:29,340
have five kids

7616
05:07:32,990 --> 05:07:31,320
and then I think there's something else

7617
05:07:34,610 --> 05:07:33,000
you're doing which I I think you're also

7618
05:07:36,590 --> 05:07:34,620
working upon or at least you used to

7619
05:07:38,330 --> 05:07:36,600
work on the Galileo project and there's

7620
05:07:42,590 --> 05:07:38,340
probably other projects and you have PhD

7621
05:07:45,110 --> 05:07:42,600
students and jeez man holy moly like I

7622
05:07:48,770 --> 05:07:45,120
work like a dog right and I work like a

7623
05:07:51,050 --> 05:07:48,780
dog and probably get like 10 is 50 is at

7624
05:07:52,788 --> 05:07:51,060
most as much as you so welcome Dr Brian

7625
05:07:54,890 --> 05:07:52,798
King I need you so the podcast is Dr

7626
05:07:56,930 --> 05:07:54,900
Brian Keaton podcast into the impossible

7627
05:07:58,970 --> 05:07:56,940
thank you guys thank you Kurt it's a

7628
05:08:03,470 --> 05:07:58,980
pleasure honor to be here you're one of

7629
05:08:05,270 --> 05:08:03,480
my early Inspirations and my continuing

7630
05:08:06,948 --> 05:08:05,280
um I would say you're you're sort of a

7631
05:08:09,288 --> 05:08:06,958
mentor to Meeker you've done a lot

7632
05:08:11,750 --> 05:08:09,298
you've inspired so many millions of

7633
05:08:13,190 --> 05:08:11,760
people around the world and uh you know

7634
05:08:15,770 --> 05:08:13,200
I'm just trying to grow a quality

7635
05:08:18,288 --> 05:08:15,780
audience like you've done and doing so

7636
05:08:20,570 --> 05:08:18,298
in the in the kind of nooks and crannies

7637
05:08:22,430 --> 05:08:20,580
as you mentioned you know I have a lot

7638
05:08:25,430 --> 05:08:22,440
of obligations and responsibilities at

7639
05:08:27,890 --> 05:08:25,440
the University and the thing I'm most

7640
05:08:31,628 --> 05:08:27,900
looking forward to outside of my family

7641
05:08:34,788 --> 05:08:31,638
and my home life and my friends is to

7642
05:08:37,610 --> 05:08:34,798
grow and develop the

7643
05:08:39,470 --> 05:08:37,620
uh the Simon's Observatory which is the

7644
05:08:42,890 --> 05:08:39,480
world's highest operating astronomical

7645
05:08:44,690 --> 05:08:42,900
Observatory it's actually the highest uh

7646
05:08:47,570 --> 05:08:44,700
construction project in the world it's

7647
05:08:49,490 --> 05:08:47,580
at 5200 meters above sea level in the

7648
05:08:50,750 --> 05:08:49,500
Atacama Desert and I was just there a

7649
05:08:53,990 --> 05:08:50,760
couple of weeks ago

7650
05:08:56,030 --> 05:08:54,000
spent uh about a week there and it's

7651
05:08:57,948 --> 05:08:56,040
it's just Paradise for nerds when you're

7652
05:09:00,530 --> 05:08:57,958
up there and there's nothing you can do

7653
05:09:02,150 --> 05:09:00,540
there's no Wi-fi all you could do is

7654
05:09:06,310 --> 05:09:02,160
work and you've got this massive

7655
05:09:07,970 --> 05:09:06,320
telescope array of three enormous

7656
05:09:10,190 --> 05:09:07,980
telescopes and it's going to be joined

7657
05:09:12,708 --> 05:09:10,200
by a six meter diameter reflecting

7658
05:09:15,410 --> 05:09:12,718
telescope my three refracting telescopes

7659
05:09:17,390 --> 05:09:15,420
this is you know kind of what I dreamed

7660
05:09:19,490 --> 05:09:17,400
of as a kid uh I just didn't have the

7661
05:09:22,550 --> 05:09:19,500
110 million dollars that it takes so

7662
05:09:24,830 --> 05:09:22,560
thank you Kurt thank you Kurt's patreon

7663
05:09:28,490 --> 05:09:24,840
but she funnels to me no no he doesn't

7664
05:09:30,470 --> 05:09:28,500
do that I do support Kurt so I I want to

7665
05:09:33,650 --> 05:09:30,480
ask you all out there if you can give

7666
05:09:35,270 --> 05:09:33,660
Kurt a little bit of of feedback and the

7667
05:09:38,510 --> 05:09:35,280
way that humans have done this since the

7668
05:09:41,150 --> 05:09:38,520
Phoenicians invented the the concept of

7669
05:09:45,050 --> 05:09:41,160
fungibility and coinage and and money is

7670
05:09:47,570 --> 05:09:45,060
to become a patron of kirchi mungle uh

7671
05:09:49,910 --> 05:09:47,580
who who has promised

7672
05:09:51,948 --> 05:09:49,920
buy and I have it as proof he's going to

7673
05:09:56,170 --> 05:09:51,958
visit me in Southern California where I

7674
05:09:58,850 --> 05:09:56,180
am not right now I'm in an undisclosed

7675
05:10:01,850 --> 05:09:58,860
Subterranean bunker where I'm hoping to

7676
05:10:03,890 --> 05:10:01,860
go skiing with some of my kids uh but

7677
05:10:06,050 --> 05:10:03,900
um but please support Kurt so I need he

7678
05:10:07,490 --> 05:10:06,060
needs a uh he needs to make a proper

7679
05:10:10,670 --> 05:10:07,500
introduction come and do a live podcast

7680
05:10:12,590 --> 05:10:10,680
in my new studio at UC San Diego where I

7681
05:10:14,390 --> 05:10:12,600
am the Chancellor's distinguished

7682
05:10:17,270 --> 05:10:14,400
professor of physics and we're going to

7683
05:10:18,890 --> 05:10:17,280
do a video together and I've already

7684
05:10:23,390 --> 05:10:18,900
started

7685
05:10:27,650 --> 05:10:25,850
okay all right I will go for eight hours

7686
05:10:29,390 --> 05:10:27,660
so I'll record one with you you record

7687
05:10:31,788 --> 05:10:29,400
one with me and by the way don't just

7688
05:10:33,948 --> 05:10:31,798
support me support Brian support Rich

7689
05:10:37,368 --> 05:10:33,958
support Brad who is about to be

7690
05:10:38,628 --> 05:10:37,378
introduced Brad please sir introduce

7691
05:10:39,948 --> 05:10:38,638
yourself if you don't mind and I want to

7692
05:10:42,050 --> 05:10:39,958
just thank you for submitting not only

7693
05:10:45,470 --> 05:10:42,060
submitting but but I want to thank you

7694
05:10:47,990 --> 05:10:45,480
for producing a quality video

7695
05:10:50,930 --> 05:10:48,000
hey thanks I you say quality I know you

7696
05:10:53,390 --> 05:10:50,940
you're defining That Tune very Loosely

7697
05:10:55,910 --> 05:10:53,400
because uh I mean I my tech is really

7698
05:10:58,550 --> 05:10:55,920
low can you guys hear me it might sound

7699
05:11:01,788 --> 05:10:58,560
okay yeah but uh no I just want to say

7700
05:11:04,670 --> 05:11:01,798
Kurt uh well I'm a I'm a vet uh I'm a

7701
05:11:07,730 --> 05:11:04,680
engineer and a lawyer

7702
05:11:08,510 --> 05:11:07,740
um and when the Navy said that UFOs are

7703
05:11:11,208 --> 05:11:08,520
real

7704
05:11:14,208 --> 05:11:11,218
just my brain started spinning and I

7705
05:11:15,830 --> 05:11:14,218
just got really focused on how to how

7706
05:11:19,550 --> 05:11:15,840
could it possibly happen

7707
05:11:20,990 --> 05:11:19,560
and uh so I just started like you do any

7708
05:11:23,690 --> 05:11:21,000
other engineering project I said well

7709
05:11:26,270 --> 05:11:23,700
they look massless what caused this Mass

7710
05:11:27,110 --> 05:11:26,280
it's the Higgs field at least that's

7711
05:11:30,770 --> 05:11:27,120
what

7712
05:11:31,970 --> 05:11:30,780
um space-time Dr Matt O'Dowd said and

7713
05:11:33,410 --> 05:11:31,980
then I was like well how do I get a hold

7714
05:11:35,208 --> 05:11:33,420
of higgsfield and he said I had an

7715
05:11:37,190 --> 05:11:35,218
episode that said the left-handed

7716
05:11:39,890 --> 05:11:37,200
electron uh

7717
05:11:42,288 --> 05:11:39,900
is getting snagged by the Higgs field

7718
05:11:44,090 --> 05:11:42,298
so then I said well what how do I grab

7719
05:11:47,270 --> 05:11:44,100
left lane electrons so I create a

7720
05:11:48,770 --> 05:11:47,280
faraday disk create a magnetic field and

7721
05:11:50,330 --> 05:11:48,780
I found some research from Dr Lawrence

7722
05:11:52,490 --> 05:11:50,340
Eaves at University of Nottingham that

7723
05:11:54,830 --> 05:11:52,500
said if you pass it through a hexagonal

7724
05:11:58,250 --> 05:11:54,840
molecular structure like graphene or

7725
05:11:59,570 --> 05:11:58,260
bismuth or nickel it teases out left and

7726
05:12:01,368 --> 05:11:59,580
right hand electrons

7727
05:12:03,830 --> 05:12:01,378
and so then I see that oscilloscope

7728
05:12:05,090 --> 05:12:03,840
behind me with that platform that that

7729
05:12:07,368 --> 05:12:05,100
scale

7730
05:12:10,128 --> 05:12:07,378
so I built that Faraday disk

7731
05:12:12,708 --> 05:12:10,138
put that plate on top of it turned it on

7732
05:12:14,868 --> 05:12:12,718
and I got about two pounds lighter

7733
05:12:16,550 --> 05:12:14,878
so now I'm trying to

7734
05:12:17,690 --> 05:12:16,560
um essentially you know if you shake the

7735
05:12:19,490 --> 05:12:17,700
left hand electron the left arm's

7736
05:12:22,490 --> 05:12:19,500
holding on the figs field of course I

7737
05:12:24,110 --> 05:12:22,500
have a non non-consensus theory that the

7738
05:12:26,390 --> 05:12:24,120
Higgs field is negative energy density

7739
05:12:28,970 --> 05:12:26,400
gravity and so just a moment Brad

7740
05:12:31,788 --> 05:12:28,980
because if people aren't following this

7741
05:12:34,010 --> 05:12:31,798
I want to leave a link to your work so a

7742
05:12:36,708 --> 05:12:34,020
link will be imminent and then I'm going

7743
05:12:38,510 --> 05:12:36,718
to pin it that's just for people who are

7744
05:12:39,770 --> 05:12:38,520
wondering what the heck is happening so

7745
05:12:42,350 --> 05:12:39,780
please continue

7746
05:12:44,690 --> 05:12:42,360
yeah so if you can shake 246 gig

7747
05:12:47,208 --> 05:12:44,700
electron volts into that left-handed

7748
05:12:49,250 --> 05:12:47,218
electron that you caught in your in your

7749
05:12:50,570 --> 05:12:49,260
Faraday disk magnetic field so you can

7750
05:12:52,970 --> 05:12:50,580
see behind me there's the oscilloscope

7751
05:12:54,350 --> 05:12:52,980
it's dual Channel it has one polarizing

7752
05:12:56,208 --> 05:12:54,360
field and then it has a harmonic one

7753
05:12:58,550 --> 05:12:56,218
that bounces the field I run through a

7754
05:13:01,550 --> 05:12:58,560
car stereo to jack up the wattage

7755
05:13:03,830 --> 05:13:01,560
but um but essentially it shakes the uh

7756
05:13:06,288 --> 05:13:03,840
hopefully I mean I'm hoping that what

7757
05:13:07,970 --> 05:13:06,298
I've hit is a resonant frequency that

7758
05:13:09,708 --> 05:13:07,980
reduces the Hicks to the ground state

7759
05:13:12,230 --> 05:13:09,718
and lowers the mass of whatever's inside

7760
05:13:14,330 --> 05:13:12,240
of it and then it just kind of after

7761
05:13:16,250 --> 05:13:14,340
that sort of hey that's what quantum

7762
05:13:17,990 --> 05:13:16,260
gravity is and then it just kind of led

7763
05:13:20,330 --> 05:13:18,000
me down this complete rabbit hole and I

7764
05:13:22,128 --> 05:13:20,340
started learning quantum physics and

7765
05:13:24,948 --> 05:13:22,138
just kind of seeing how everything fits

7766
05:13:26,510 --> 05:13:24,958
and I think and I don't Dr Keating is a

7767
05:13:28,310 --> 05:13:26,520
privilege Kurt it's a privilege to be on

7768
05:13:30,010 --> 05:13:28,320
your Dr Nolan I mean you guys are all

7769
05:13:32,390 --> 05:13:30,020
great I mean I'm crying right now inside

7770
05:13:34,670 --> 05:13:32,400
and I screenshotted it so I can like

7771
05:13:37,190 --> 05:13:34,680
show my family that I was next to famous

7772
05:13:38,750 --> 05:13:37,200
people but I think space time blows out

7773
05:13:41,448 --> 05:13:38,760
of black holes which is why the universe

7774
05:13:43,550 --> 05:13:41,458
expands and the further you look out I'm

7775
05:13:45,590 --> 05:13:43,560
so pumped to just even be in your guys

7776
05:13:47,208 --> 05:13:45,600
Aura thank you so much

7777
05:13:50,150 --> 05:13:47,218
um but yeah I just I do it in my free

7778
05:13:52,128 --> 05:13:50,160
time uh I have a regular day job and

7779
05:13:55,070 --> 05:13:52,138
everything and I only have four kids

7780
05:13:56,810 --> 05:13:55,080
though so well Brad quite as engaged

7781
05:13:58,550 --> 05:13:56,820
is Dr Keith

7782
05:14:01,550 --> 05:13:58,560
I I

7783
05:14:04,910 --> 05:14:02,990
so thank you for your comments about

7784
05:14:07,190 --> 05:14:04,920
that that's that's incredibly kind and

7785
05:14:10,490 --> 05:14:07,200
I'm Richard and Brian I'm sure we're all

7786
05:14:12,830 --> 05:14:10,500
like super flattered by that so so thank

7787
05:14:14,810 --> 05:14:12,840
you and and I do have to let you go now

7788
05:14:16,610 --> 05:14:14,820
only out of fairness to everyone else

7789
05:14:18,170 --> 05:14:16,620
who is at The Honorable who is honorably

7790
05:14:20,750 --> 05:14:18,180
mentioned I only gave him about a couple

7791
05:14:22,730 --> 05:14:20,760
minutes so I'm Gonna Let You Go and

7792
05:14:24,830 --> 05:14:22,740
it'll join Brian and Richie but thank

7793
05:14:27,410 --> 05:14:24,840
you and we'll speak again okay

7794
05:14:28,788 --> 05:14:27,420
sure it was a pleasure for people who

7795
05:14:31,150 --> 05:14:28,798
are interested again I will leave the

7796
05:14:32,690 --> 05:14:31,160
link right

7797
05:14:34,550 --> 05:14:32,700
[Music]

7798
05:14:35,750 --> 05:14:34,560
it'll be in the description I'll leave

7799
05:14:37,070 --> 05:14:35,760
the link in the description I placed it

7800
05:14:39,890 --> 05:14:37,080
on the on screen several times already

7801
05:14:45,288 --> 05:14:39,900
okay thanks Brad

7802
05:14:45,298 --> 05:14:49,368
Okay so

7803
05:14:55,910 --> 05:14:51,708
all right Rich Brian

7804
05:14:58,430 --> 05:14:55,920
oh we're still here yes better still be

7805
05:15:03,530 --> 05:15:01,190
so I want to know

7806
05:15:04,490 --> 05:15:03,540
Brian I don't think I asked you what do

7807
05:15:06,470 --> 05:15:04,500
you have

7808
05:15:08,810 --> 05:15:06,480
what are you most excited about about

7809
05:15:11,628 --> 05:15:08,820
2023

7810
05:15:15,470 --> 05:15:11,638
I think this year is going to be a year

7811
05:15:20,030 --> 05:15:15,480
of transition where we take discoveries

7812
05:15:22,128 --> 05:15:20,040
and we subject them uh to really intense

7813
05:15:24,590 --> 05:15:22,138
scrutiny I think we're coming out of a

7814
05:15:27,350 --> 05:15:24,600
dark period for science where science

7815
05:15:29,708 --> 05:15:27,360
was subjugated at the will of political

7816
05:15:32,510 --> 05:15:29,718
and media

7817
05:15:35,990 --> 05:15:32,520
imperatives and I think you know thanks

7818
05:15:37,610 --> 05:15:36,000
to Elon musk's generosity and and buying

7819
05:15:41,030 --> 05:15:37,620
Twitter I think a lot of that has been

7820
05:15:43,310 --> 05:15:41,040
liberated and because of that I think

7821
05:15:45,288 --> 05:15:43,320
there will be a new sort of Renaissance

7822
05:15:47,690 --> 05:15:45,298
and I like in the last three years to

7823
05:15:50,830 --> 05:15:47,700
sort of a Dark Age like you you almost

7824
05:15:53,270 --> 05:15:50,840
couldn't have a flourishing of say

7825
05:15:55,730 --> 05:15:53,280
engineering you know during the during

7826
05:15:56,868 --> 05:15:55,740
the Dark Ages so so-called Dark Ages it

7827
05:15:59,030 --> 05:15:56,878
turns out they weren't that dark but

7828
05:16:01,430 --> 05:15:59,040
let's get into that some other time

7829
05:16:03,050 --> 05:16:01,440
um we couldn't have like flourishing art

7830
05:16:06,770 --> 05:16:03,060
and architecture and then like

7831
05:16:08,510 --> 05:16:06,780
suppression of of thought and uh and and

7832
05:16:11,510 --> 05:16:08,520
Science and all sorts of things in other

7833
05:16:15,010 --> 05:16:11,520
words concomitant with the overbearing

7834
05:16:18,890 --> 05:16:15,020
social uh pressures that came from

7835
05:16:20,330 --> 05:16:18,900
political uh factions with those being

7836
05:16:24,110 --> 05:16:20,340
alleviated

7837
05:16:26,150 --> 05:16:24,120
uh that has really uh stemmed a tide

7838
05:16:27,830 --> 05:16:26,160
that made me very nervous very worried

7839
05:16:29,628 --> 05:16:27,840
and I say that I've had two

7840
05:16:31,970 --> 05:16:29,638
conversations in the last month of my

7841
05:16:34,190 --> 05:16:31,980
podcast one with actually three one one

7842
05:16:36,948 --> 05:16:34,200
with professor Charles seif just last

7843
05:16:38,810 --> 05:16:36,958
week about nuclear fusion and they

7844
05:16:40,910 --> 05:16:38,820
claimed you know Revelation and

7845
05:16:41,990 --> 05:16:40,920
breakthrough which kind of showed the

7846
05:16:43,610 --> 05:16:42,000
governmental

7847
05:16:45,190 --> 05:16:43,620
um you know hype cycle I call it the

7848
05:16:48,050 --> 05:16:45,200
academic media

7849
05:16:50,150 --> 05:16:48,060
complex industrial complex I'm gonna

7850
05:16:52,190 --> 05:16:50,160
have a video about that soon

7851
05:16:54,050 --> 05:16:52,200
um along with things like the quantum

7852
05:16:55,788 --> 05:16:54,060
Computing Wormhole which I have an

7853
05:16:57,708 --> 05:16:55,798
upcoming video about as well these are

7854
05:17:00,948 --> 05:16:57,718
hype things and then you have

7855
05:17:03,170 --> 05:17:00,958
of legitimate scientific discoveries or

7856
05:17:06,590 --> 05:17:03,180
practice of science like the James Webb

7857
05:17:08,390 --> 05:17:06,600
Space Telescope that was uh embroiled in

7858
05:17:11,570 --> 05:17:08,400
a controversy recently over the name

7859
05:17:14,810 --> 05:17:11,580
being named after James Webb and he was

7860
05:17:17,330 --> 05:17:14,820
accused falsely of being a homophobe and

7861
05:17:19,610 --> 05:17:17,340
this actually caused a great deal of of

7862
05:17:22,430 --> 05:17:19,620
uh of pressure on a good friend of mine

7863
05:17:23,990 --> 05:17:22,440
past guest hakima lashayi who's a very

7864
05:17:26,990 --> 05:17:24,000
well-known physicist himself who happens

7865
05:17:28,850 --> 05:17:27,000
to be black and he set on a campaign to

7866
05:17:32,208 --> 05:17:28,860
investigate did James Webb practice

7867
05:17:34,788 --> 05:17:32,218
homophobia found negative did not and

7868
05:17:37,190 --> 05:17:34,798
yet his life hakeem's was turned upside

7869
05:17:39,770 --> 05:17:37,200
down because of non-scientific reasons

7870
05:17:41,570 --> 05:17:39,780
people that just hated this notion that

7871
05:17:43,850 --> 05:17:41,580
gays and lesbians should be persecuted

7872
05:17:46,070 --> 05:17:43,860
which we all should abort but at the

7873
05:17:47,510 --> 05:17:46,080
same token uh this this came about

7874
05:17:49,850 --> 05:17:47,520
and then the last thing was Dr J

7875
05:17:51,350 --> 05:17:49,860
bhattacharya uh one of the co-authors of

7876
05:17:54,110 --> 05:17:51,360
the Great Barrington declaration who

7877
05:17:56,330 --> 05:17:54,120
promoted Common Sense covid navigation

7878
05:17:58,430 --> 05:17:56,340
and he was called by the most powerful

7879
05:18:00,410 --> 05:17:58,440
two people in all of science right now

7880
05:18:02,868 --> 05:18:00,420
to the extent that you can identify

7881
05:18:05,930 --> 05:18:02,878
scientific bureaucrats as being powerful

7882
05:18:09,288 --> 05:18:05,940
uh Francis Collins director of the NIH

7883
05:18:11,448 --> 05:18:09,298
and Tony fauci who needs no introduction

7884
05:18:14,390 --> 05:18:11,458
um he's not coming on is he is he Kurt

7885
05:18:17,930 --> 05:18:14,400
is he coming on a live stream I hope not

7886
05:18:20,270 --> 05:18:17,940
yeah so uh to hear the treatment of Jay

7887
05:18:22,250 --> 05:18:20,280
and how much has changed just in the

7888
05:18:23,990 --> 05:18:22,260
last few months is really a breath of

7889
05:18:26,030 --> 05:18:24,000
fresh air so I'm looking forward to

7890
05:18:28,850 --> 05:18:26,040
discovers I had an epic tweet thread I

7891
05:18:31,910 --> 05:18:28,860
posted yesterday predictions for 2023 in

7892
05:18:34,730 --> 05:18:31,920
science also the UFO project I'm uh very

7893
05:18:37,670 --> 05:18:34,740
good friends with the NASA UAP study

7894
05:18:39,470 --> 05:18:37,680
director doesn't give me any special uh

7895
05:18:41,750 --> 05:18:39,480
favors Dr David spurgle who's been a

7896
05:18:43,910 --> 05:18:41,760
two-time guest on my podcast uh he's

7897
05:18:46,368 --> 05:18:43,920
leading the NASA study and he's going to

7898
05:18:48,770 --> 05:18:46,378
do a phenomenal job when that comes out

7899
05:18:50,690 --> 05:18:48,780
he's promised to come on my podcast and

7900
05:18:52,368 --> 05:18:50,700
reveal you know some of the inner

7901
05:18:55,190 --> 05:18:52,378
workings of how they came to their

7902
05:18:56,990 --> 05:18:55,200
public findings Dr Shelly Wright is a

7903
05:18:59,270 --> 05:18:57,000
colleague at UC San Diego she studies

7904
05:19:01,190 --> 05:18:59,280
Optical study incredibly interesting

7905
05:19:03,230 --> 05:19:01,200
using looking for laser light Pulses

7906
05:19:04,550 --> 05:19:03,240
from distant civilizations so I'm

7907
05:19:06,050 --> 05:19:04,560
looking forward to all that she's also

7908
05:19:08,390 --> 05:19:06,060
going to be a guest on the podcast so

7909
05:19:09,830 --> 05:19:08,400
stay tuned for that I like to do and as

7910
05:19:11,448 --> 05:19:09,840
you know you're You're The Theory of

7911
05:19:14,270 --> 05:19:11,458
Everything I almost changed my channel

7912
05:19:16,310 --> 05:19:14,280
from into the impossible to experiment

7913
05:19:17,990 --> 05:19:16,320
of everything because you cover all the

7914
05:19:19,490 --> 05:19:18,000
theories of everything someone's got to

7915
05:19:21,948 --> 05:19:19,500
do the Hands-On instrument building

7916
05:19:24,050 --> 05:19:21,958
Hardware technical things I said we're

7917
05:19:25,490 --> 05:19:24,060
Hodge dual to one another

7918
05:19:27,050 --> 05:19:25,500
that's right

7919
05:19:29,448 --> 05:19:27,060
yeah we are we are I don't know who's

7920
05:19:30,410 --> 05:19:29,458
who's the complex though of the two of

7921
05:19:32,930 --> 05:19:30,420
us

7922
05:19:34,368 --> 05:19:32,940
so so Richie sorry if I keep calling you

7923
05:19:36,948 --> 05:19:34,378
Richard I just mean that in an endearing

7924
05:19:39,050 --> 05:19:36,958
manner Richard what

7925
05:19:41,208 --> 05:19:39,060
what are some things that ordinary

7926
05:19:43,070 --> 05:19:41,218
people can do outside of petitioning

7927
05:19:46,610 --> 05:19:43,080
their government

7928
05:19:48,230 --> 05:19:46,620
to facilitate UFO disclosure or to help

7929
05:19:51,288 --> 05:19:48,240
get some

7930
05:19:53,628 --> 05:19:51,298
get less befuddling of the UFO scene and

7931
05:19:55,970 --> 05:19:53,638
more illumination

7932
05:19:56,990 --> 05:19:55,980
uh I'll answer that but I just want to

7933
05:19:59,448 --> 05:19:57,000
say this is the first time I've heard

7934
05:20:00,590 --> 05:19:59,458
Brian Keating speak and uh I kind of

7935
05:20:02,690 --> 05:20:00,600
like the

7936
05:20:04,128 --> 05:20:02,700
political analysis I agree with musk and

7937
05:20:05,390 --> 05:20:04,138
Twitter

7938
05:20:08,208 --> 05:20:05,400
um and pretty much I think everything

7939
05:20:10,250 --> 05:20:08,218
else you said Brian uh I'm looking

7940
05:20:12,230 --> 05:20:10,260
forward to seeing how that NASA UFO UAP

7941
05:20:14,628 --> 05:20:12,240
study goes I have a little bit less

7942
05:20:17,150 --> 05:20:14,638
confidence maybe than you do that will

7943
05:20:19,250 --> 05:20:17,160
be according to what I think it really

7944
05:20:21,670 --> 05:20:19,260
ought to be but that's just based on

7945
05:20:25,128 --> 05:20:21,680
NASA's long long history of UFO

7946
05:20:28,190 --> 05:20:25,138
obfuscation and actual dishonesty that

7947
05:20:29,810 --> 05:20:28,200
they've had and a lack of um

7948
05:20:31,190 --> 05:20:29,820
really good work done on it but maybe

7949
05:20:32,750 --> 05:20:31,200
this will be different and I'm looking

7950
05:20:35,690 --> 05:20:32,760
at that uh

7951
05:20:37,730 --> 05:20:35,700
uh carefully and critically as well as

7952
05:20:38,750 --> 05:20:37,740
far as your question Kurt

7953
05:20:40,310 --> 05:20:38,760
um

7954
05:20:42,948 --> 05:20:40,320
well I think the conversation we're

7955
05:20:44,390 --> 05:20:42,958
having on UAP or UFOs in our society

7956
05:20:47,270 --> 05:20:44,400
it's much much better than it's been

7957
05:20:49,490 --> 05:20:47,280
five years ago uh and long before that

7958
05:20:52,070 --> 05:20:49,500
where it was utterly impossible to have

7959
05:20:54,350 --> 05:20:52,080
a an adult mature conversation about

7960
05:20:56,448 --> 05:20:54,360
this subject in the public domain it was

7961
05:20:58,070 --> 05:20:56,458
just it got shut down every time so it's

7962
05:21:00,530 --> 05:20:58,080
a little bit better now we're still at

7963
05:21:02,208 --> 05:21:00,540
the tiniest of baby steps in terms of

7964
05:21:04,430 --> 05:21:02,218
really grasping what this phenomenon is

7965
05:21:06,170 --> 05:21:04,440
about uh we're still at the point where

7966
05:21:07,490 --> 05:21:06,180
we have scientists saying gee I wonder

7967
05:21:10,310 --> 05:21:07,500
if there's something out there is this

7968
05:21:11,990 --> 05:21:10,320
anomalous and so forth

7969
05:21:14,270 --> 05:21:12,000
um I've been looking at I've looked at

7970
05:21:17,150 --> 05:21:14,280
thousands upon thousands upon thousands

7971
05:21:19,250 --> 05:21:17,160
of cases many Declassified military

7972
05:21:21,410 --> 05:21:19,260
case is not simply from the US but from

7973
05:21:22,970 --> 05:21:21,420
other nations as well and there's no

7974
05:21:24,650 --> 05:21:22,980
question that this is not simply

7975
05:21:27,770 --> 05:21:24,660
something that's real but it's a

7976
05:21:31,010 --> 05:21:27,780
significant high level National Security

7977
05:21:33,948 --> 05:21:31,020
issue that at times is taken on

7978
05:21:37,430 --> 05:21:33,958
uh Monumental and Ultra grave

7979
05:21:39,288 --> 05:21:37,440
proportions more than once so it's

7980
05:21:41,750 --> 05:21:39,298
obviously something very serious it is

7981
05:21:44,150 --> 05:21:41,760
enmeshed with the intelligence and

7982
05:21:46,190 --> 05:21:44,160
military communities primarily of the

7983
05:21:48,170 --> 05:21:46,200
United States but also elsewhere there's

7984
05:21:49,670 --> 05:21:48,180
a lot of obfuscation you know I did a

7985
05:21:51,650 --> 05:21:49,680
lot of time looking at the Davis Wilson

7986
05:21:54,890 --> 05:21:51,660
notes I was one of the few people

7987
05:21:57,350 --> 05:21:54,900
initially who really stood by them in

7988
05:21:59,390 --> 05:21:57,360
2019 and 2020 when a lot of people were

7989
05:22:01,368 --> 05:21:59,400
still trashing them I knew that they

7990
05:22:03,288 --> 05:22:01,378
were legit I know they are legit and the

7991
05:22:06,050 --> 05:22:03,298
implications of what are in those

7992
05:22:09,350 --> 05:22:06,060
documents is those notes are quite

7993
05:22:12,410 --> 05:22:09,360
significant describes a

7994
05:22:14,270 --> 05:22:12,420
deeply deeply clandestine classified

7995
05:22:15,530 --> 05:22:14,280
special Access program series of

7996
05:22:17,868 --> 05:22:15,540
programs

7997
05:22:20,150 --> 05:22:17,878
that are

7998
05:22:21,948 --> 05:22:20,160
maybe with the legal fiction of having

7999
05:22:23,930 --> 05:22:21,958
some government purview but in a sense

8000
05:22:25,368 --> 05:22:23,940
in essence they really don't have much

8001
05:22:26,930 --> 05:22:25,378
government oversight and anything

8002
05:22:28,128 --> 05:22:26,940
meaningful at all

8003
05:22:30,230 --> 05:22:28,138
and

8004
05:22:31,128 --> 05:22:30,240
um appear strongly appear I would say to

8005
05:22:33,948 --> 05:22:31,138
have

8006
05:22:35,750 --> 05:22:33,958
to do with the possession of non-human

8007
05:22:37,788 --> 05:22:35,760
technology and even bodies I think all

8008
05:22:40,910 --> 05:22:37,798
of that is real the other thing that we

8009
05:22:44,810 --> 05:22:40,920
need to be talking about is the ongoing

8010
05:22:47,690 --> 05:22:44,820
massive daily presence of these unknown

8011
05:22:48,708 --> 05:22:47,700
craft over people's neighborhoods every

8012
05:22:51,110 --> 05:22:48,718
single day

8013
05:22:52,850 --> 05:22:51,120
uh you can look around there are a

8014
05:22:54,650 --> 05:22:52,860
couple of repositories that accept good

8015
05:22:56,810 --> 05:22:54,660
UFO cases

8016
05:22:59,390 --> 05:22:56,820
they don't all get great investigations

8017
05:23:01,788 --> 05:22:59,400
it is true but when you go through the

8018
05:23:04,670 --> 05:23:01,798
data I think it becomes undeniable to a

8019
05:23:06,230 --> 05:23:04,680
reasonable mind that every single day at

8020
05:23:07,910 --> 05:23:06,240
two in the morning three in the morning

8021
05:23:10,010 --> 05:23:07,920
there's a craft that might be hovering

8022
05:23:12,050 --> 05:23:10,020
over your neighborhood at 200 feet

8023
05:23:13,310 --> 05:23:12,060
people see these things all the time and

8024
05:23:15,288 --> 05:23:13,320
I would like to know who the heck is

8025
05:23:16,368 --> 05:23:15,298
behind them what are they doing what's

8026
05:23:18,770 --> 05:23:16,378
the mission

8027
05:23:21,110 --> 05:23:18,780
are these aliens or not I don't think

8028
05:23:23,930 --> 05:23:21,120
they're black budget so there's there's

8029
05:23:26,090 --> 05:23:23,940
a lot of uh progress that we need to be

8030
05:23:27,050 --> 05:23:26,100
making on the UFO matter what can people

8031
05:23:29,690 --> 05:23:27,060
do

8032
05:23:32,090 --> 05:23:29,700
well this is a subject with a steep

8033
05:23:34,010 --> 05:23:32,100
learning curve I've learned that 25

8034
05:23:35,930 --> 05:23:34,020
years ago I thought I'll take uh two

8035
05:23:38,090 --> 05:23:35,940
three months out of my life and get up

8036
05:23:40,490 --> 05:23:38,100
to speed on it right and that was a long

8037
05:23:42,830 --> 05:23:40,500
long time ago so it takes a long while

8038
05:23:44,810 --> 05:23:42,840
to become what I would say is genuinely

8039
05:23:46,910 --> 05:23:44,820
sophisticated in one's understanding of

8040
05:23:50,330 --> 05:23:46,920
a subject it's been laughed at for years

8041
05:23:51,350 --> 05:23:50,340
and decades and I think uh and I and I

8042
05:23:53,510 --> 05:23:51,360
don't know

8043
05:23:55,610 --> 05:23:53,520
um you Brian so I would never make an

8044
05:23:57,230 --> 05:23:55,620
assumption but I do find that many many

8045
05:23:59,990 --> 05:23:57,240
highly intelligent people with great

8046
05:24:01,430 --> 05:24:00,000
education underestimate this subject and

8047
05:24:03,350 --> 05:24:01,440
they think that they've got it when in

8048
05:24:05,930 --> 05:24:03,360
fact they're at the bottom of the

8049
05:24:08,270 --> 05:24:05,940
mountain so there's a long way to go

8050
05:24:10,128 --> 05:24:08,280
yeah I agree Richard I think there's a

8051
05:24:12,170 --> 05:24:10,138
lot of um there's a lot of hubris right

8052
05:24:14,510 --> 05:24:12,180
there's the kind of Camp the Elon Musk

8053
05:24:16,430 --> 05:24:14,520
camp that we've had great cameras for

8054
05:24:19,430 --> 05:24:16,440
decades and they've been improving in

8055
05:24:20,930 --> 05:24:19,440
the quality of UFO sightings has got you

8056
05:24:22,910 --> 05:24:20,940
know it's easy to dismiss and elon's a

8057
05:24:24,650 --> 05:24:22,920
brilliant man I hope to have him on my

8058
05:24:26,990 --> 05:24:24,660
podcast at some point uh then there's

8059
05:24:29,570 --> 05:24:27,000
actually an abundance of excellent video

8060
05:24:31,310 --> 05:24:29,580
autographic evidence that is out there

8061
05:24:33,830 --> 05:24:31,320
that just gets ignored

8062
05:24:35,570 --> 05:24:33,840
right quite a bit so what I what I like

8063
05:24:37,190 --> 05:24:35,580
to do is think about it as an astronomer

8064
05:24:38,810 --> 05:24:37,200
that's what I'm trained as I do build

8065
05:24:41,030 --> 05:24:38,820
instrumentation I like to think of the

8066
05:24:42,890 --> 05:24:41,040
physics implications and you know for a

8067
05:24:44,448 --> 05:24:42,900
long time I simply applied Pascal's

8068
05:24:46,730 --> 05:24:44,458
wager to this whole problem if it is

8069
05:24:48,890 --> 05:24:46,740
real the penalty for you know not

8070
05:24:51,470 --> 05:24:48,900
believing it is infinite almost right we

8071
05:24:53,628 --> 05:24:51,480
could lose out on four centuries of

8072
05:24:55,670 --> 05:24:53,638
physics progress another hand if it

8073
05:24:57,170 --> 05:24:55,680
isn't real whatever that means I'm not

8074
05:24:58,430 --> 05:24:57,180
going to debate it right now but it

8075
05:24:59,330 --> 05:24:58,440
isn't real and you spend some time on it

8076
05:25:01,128 --> 05:24:59,340
first of all you're learning a

8077
05:25:03,230 --> 05:25:01,138
tremendous amount right let's not forget

8078
05:25:05,150 --> 05:25:03,240
all the things we've learned about

8079
05:25:07,310 --> 05:25:05,160
um just from the consideration of the

8080
05:25:09,230 --> 05:25:07,320
existence of extraterrestrial life we've

8081
05:25:11,650 --> 05:25:09,240
learned about Material Science we've

8082
05:25:14,628 --> 05:25:11,660
learned about Imaging and we've learned

8083
05:25:16,250 --> 05:25:14,638
propulsion systems and and then I'm also

8084
05:25:18,410 --> 05:25:16,260
a pilot I fly little planes around here

8085
05:25:20,390 --> 05:25:18,420
in California and um one of the things

8086
05:25:22,490 --> 05:25:20,400
that's interest uh you know to me and I

8087
05:25:24,948 --> 05:25:22,500
know I'm interested in NASA outside of

8088
05:25:26,390 --> 05:25:24,958
the alien issue is how could these

8089
05:25:28,430 --> 05:25:26,400
objects be threats how could they

8090
05:25:29,690 --> 05:25:28,440
interfere with the safety of of the

8091
05:25:31,250 --> 05:25:29,700
public and I think that's actually been

8092
05:25:33,708 --> 05:25:31,260
downplayed I mean Kurt and I hosted

8093
05:25:34,970 --> 05:25:33,718
along and people are still talking about

8094
05:25:38,390 --> 05:25:34,980
that that's probably my most popular

8095
05:25:40,010 --> 05:25:38,400
video in the last couple years and that

8096
05:25:42,350 --> 05:25:40,020
video you know people are making fun of

8097
05:25:45,110 --> 05:25:42,360
it now on the other hand I also I don't

8098
05:25:46,550 --> 05:25:45,120
shy away from upgrading you know the

8099
05:25:48,350 --> 05:25:46,560
Believers the so-called you know I want

8100
05:25:50,270 --> 05:25:48,360
to believe type folks I say look I asked

8101
05:25:51,770 --> 05:25:50,280
Tom this point blank I said you claim

8102
05:25:53,030 --> 05:25:51,780
you have evidence let's talk about the

8103
05:25:54,708 --> 05:25:53,040
evidence where is it how'd you get it

8104
05:25:57,050 --> 05:25:54,718
how did you come to it can we test it

8105
05:25:58,670 --> 05:25:57,060
can we subject it in my laboratory well

8106
05:26:00,050 --> 05:25:58,680
we can do some of those things but you

8107
05:26:02,030 --> 05:26:00,060
know we lost track of it we don't have

8108
05:26:03,770 --> 05:26:02,040
provenance we don't at a certain point

8109
05:26:06,590 --> 05:26:03,780
Richard you know you scientifically

8110
05:26:08,750 --> 05:26:06,600
minded per people and like you and me we

8111
05:26:11,690 --> 05:26:08,760
would say look at a certain point that

8112
05:26:14,150 --> 05:26:11,700
evidence doesn't fully rise to to you

8113
05:26:16,010 --> 05:26:14,160
know the point of scientific

8114
05:26:18,470 --> 05:26:16,020
um this positive in other words it may

8115
05:26:19,730 --> 05:26:18,480
evidence as eyewitness evidences I mean

8116
05:26:20,810 --> 05:26:19,740
I don't use eyewitness evidence and

8117
05:26:23,510 --> 05:26:20,820
cosmology because there were no

8118
05:26:25,670 --> 05:26:23,520
eyewitnesses to the Big Bang but uh I

8119
05:26:27,590 --> 05:26:25,680
think we have to be we have to be

8120
05:26:29,030 --> 05:26:27,600
um open and not have that hubris that

8121
05:26:31,788 --> 05:26:29,040
you're speaking about on the other hand

8122
05:26:34,550 --> 05:26:31,798
we can't also say that because I want to

8123
05:26:37,010 --> 05:26:34,560
believe something that I'm almost going

8124
05:26:39,470 --> 05:26:37,020
to be as accepting of of technology and

8125
05:26:40,850 --> 05:26:39,480
claims and and visitations and sightings

8126
05:26:42,770 --> 05:26:40,860
and so forth

8127
05:26:44,570 --> 05:26:42,780
um and and kind of not use our

8128
05:26:46,310 --> 05:26:44,580
scientific training I I don't know if

8129
05:26:49,010 --> 05:26:46,320
you'd agree with that but that's right I

8130
05:26:50,868 --> 05:26:49,020
use my historical training so I'm not a

8131
05:26:53,030 --> 05:26:50,878
scientifically trained man I'm a

8132
05:26:54,650 --> 05:26:53,040
historian and so what I've been

8133
05:26:57,128 --> 05:26:54,660
interested in doing is trying to figure

8134
05:27:00,708 --> 05:26:57,138
out a historical puzzle which is why

8135
05:27:02,750 --> 05:27:00,718
have leading uh directors of the Central

8136
05:27:05,030 --> 05:27:02,760
Intelligence Agency four-star generals

8137
05:27:06,830 --> 05:27:05,040
three star generals of the US and

8138
05:27:08,448 --> 05:27:06,840
elsewhere taking this problem so

8139
05:27:11,570 --> 05:27:08,458
seriously and why has there been so much

8140
05:27:13,850 --> 05:27:11,580
obfuscation and secrecy around it that's

8141
05:27:16,368 --> 05:27:13,860
undeniable fact and and then furthermore

8142
05:27:18,890 --> 05:27:16,378
what is what could be the meaning behind

8143
05:27:21,890 --> 05:27:18,900
the many hundreds I would say thousands

8144
05:27:23,868 --> 05:27:21,900
of Declassified military reports that

8145
05:27:27,470 --> 05:27:23,878
describe rather dramatic encounters with

8146
05:27:30,288 --> 05:27:27,480
UFOs so that's the situation that I'm

8147
05:27:32,030 --> 05:27:30,298
interested in so rather than explaining

8148
05:27:34,010 --> 05:27:32,040
it scientifically it's trying to

8149
05:27:36,650 --> 05:27:34,020
understand it historically and

8150
05:27:38,628 --> 05:27:36,660
understand why it was taken seriously by

8151
05:27:41,150 --> 05:27:38,638
some of the most brilliant responsible

8152
05:27:43,190 --> 05:27:41,160
National Security people and in our

8153
05:27:47,810 --> 05:27:43,200
lifetime

8154
05:27:51,050 --> 05:27:49,490
yeah yeah I'm sorry oh no I'm just gonna

8155
05:27:52,490 --> 05:27:51,060
ask Richard and YouTube

8156
05:27:53,448 --> 05:27:52,500
yeah I just want to ask Richard and new

8157
05:27:54,770 --> 05:27:53,458
Kurt

8158
05:27:56,810 --> 05:27:54,780
um one of the things I've been thinking

8159
05:27:59,690 --> 05:27:56,820
about is sort of the analog of a Turing

8160
05:28:02,690 --> 05:27:59,700
test but for classifying you know

8161
05:28:04,190 --> 05:28:02,700
sightings encounters or whatever and um

8162
05:28:05,990 --> 05:28:04,200
and that's very this is something people

8163
05:28:07,850 --> 05:28:06,000
can really latch on to and they can

8164
05:28:09,830 --> 05:28:07,860
participate on in fact before I joined

8165
05:28:11,930 --> 05:28:09,840
the show I had to prove that I was a

8166
05:28:14,208 --> 05:28:11,940
human being you know via a recaptcha

8167
05:28:16,010 --> 05:28:14,218
type system right

8168
05:28:19,128 --> 05:28:16,020
um and so Richard and Kurt I wonder you

8169
05:28:21,110 --> 05:28:19,138
know could we sort of crowdsource you

8170
05:28:23,810 --> 05:28:21,120
know these things and kind of the the

8171
05:28:25,730 --> 05:28:23,820
citizen science Brigade and call for

8172
05:28:27,288 --> 05:28:25,740
that in addition to professional

8173
05:28:31,190 --> 05:28:27,298
scientists like myself actually working

8174
05:28:33,288 --> 05:28:31,200
on Avi lobe Gary Nolan you know um Etc

8175
05:28:35,930 --> 05:28:33,298
working on this phenomena but like have

8176
05:28:38,868 --> 05:28:35,940
a recapture you know how can we classify

8177
05:28:41,150 --> 05:28:38,878
things just at the data level is that

8178
05:28:42,530 --> 05:28:41,160
even possible as a way to engage citizen

8179
05:28:44,208 --> 05:28:42,540
scientists

8180
05:28:47,030 --> 05:28:44,218
there are ways to do this absolutely

8181
05:28:48,410 --> 05:28:47,040
there are um projects going on right now

8182
05:28:50,690 --> 05:28:48,420
and I wish I could remember the German

8183
05:28:52,430 --> 05:28:50,700
professor's name who's doing this I was

8184
05:28:56,150 --> 05:28:52,440
just chatting about him the other day

8185
05:28:59,208 --> 05:28:56,160
who has um a proof of concept that he's

8186
05:29:01,970 --> 05:28:59,218
working on essentially having cameras to

8187
05:29:05,390 --> 05:29:01,980
uh with with AI of algorithms to

8188
05:29:07,250 --> 05:29:05,400
identify uh conventional objects but but

8189
05:29:09,050 --> 05:29:07,260
to have the cameras dedicated in a

8190
05:29:10,610 --> 05:29:09,060
portion of the sky so that it would

8191
05:29:14,570 --> 05:29:10,620
capture

8192
05:29:16,670 --> 05:29:14,580
objects I think uh you know there's all

8193
05:29:19,730 --> 05:29:16,680
kinds of projects like that which makes

8194
05:29:21,708 --> 05:29:19,740
sense and which are feasible and uh that

8195
05:29:23,390 --> 05:29:21,718
could have results

8196
05:29:25,010 --> 05:29:23,400
um you know I think there's a lot of

8197
05:29:27,190 --> 05:29:25,020
smart people out there with all kinds of

8198
05:29:29,330 --> 05:29:27,200
uh ideas you could try to capture

8199
05:29:31,670 --> 05:29:29,340
objects and other elements of the

8200
05:29:34,788 --> 05:29:31,680
electromagnetic spectrum

8201
05:29:36,708 --> 05:29:34,798
um whether it's IR or anything else and

8202
05:29:38,390 --> 05:29:36,718
that's one thing and you know the real

8203
05:29:40,850 --> 05:29:38,400
the real meat and potatoes comes down to

8204
05:29:42,948 --> 05:29:40,860
whether or not we can actually

8205
05:29:44,330 --> 05:29:42,958
unlock the secrecy and I'm a firm

8206
05:29:46,190 --> 05:29:44,340
believer that there's been a

8207
05:29:47,930 --> 05:29:46,200
long-standing cover-up conspiracy you

8208
05:29:50,868 --> 05:29:47,940
want to call it

8209
05:29:53,090 --> 05:29:50,878
um in which ET Tech has been acquired I

8210
05:29:54,830 --> 05:29:53,100
and I I'll just add I don't know how

8211
05:29:57,050 --> 05:29:54,840
much more time I have here but

8212
05:29:59,930 --> 05:29:57,060
I think that our species

8213
05:30:02,090 --> 05:29:59,940
uh you know we've existed as Homo

8214
05:30:05,208 --> 05:30:02,100
sapiens for about 300 000 years last

8215
05:30:07,190 --> 05:30:05,218
estimate from um paleontologists

8216
05:30:09,050 --> 05:30:07,200
and only in the last generation or so

8217
05:30:10,610 --> 05:30:09,060
have we been

8218
05:30:13,310 --> 05:30:10,620
maybe let's be generous and say the last

8219
05:30:14,930 --> 05:30:13,320
century have we really had a truly

8220
05:30:16,368 --> 05:30:14,940
modern society

8221
05:30:18,230 --> 05:30:16,378
you know up until then we were just

8222
05:30:20,990 --> 05:30:18,240
horses pulling wooden carts and not even

8223
05:30:23,030 --> 05:30:21,000
that so we're in a place right now that

8224
05:30:25,550 --> 05:30:23,040
if there's anyone out there who has the

8225
05:30:27,708 --> 05:30:25,560
ability to watch us I would be quite

8226
05:30:29,090 --> 05:30:27,718
sure that they will they're sure as heck

8227
05:30:30,708 --> 05:30:29,100
going to want to watch us right now

8228
05:30:33,530 --> 05:30:30,718
because we're about to LEAP right into

8229
05:30:36,530 --> 05:30:33,540
their world we're on the cusp of very

8230
05:30:38,810 --> 05:30:36,540
strong AI Quantum computing

8231
05:30:40,550 --> 05:30:38,820
uh genetic modification of the whole

8232
05:30:42,708 --> 05:30:40,560
thing I mean we're Reinventing our

8233
05:30:44,330 --> 05:30:42,718
species we're moving into a new phase of

8234
05:30:46,610 --> 05:30:44,340
human existence

8235
05:30:49,490 --> 05:30:46,620
we're going to want to know that

8236
05:30:50,330 --> 05:30:49,500
that was uh the Angels were chiming in

8237
05:30:52,490 --> 05:30:50,340
there

8238
05:30:54,770 --> 05:30:52,500
anyway so I think I think where an

8239
05:30:56,090 --> 05:30:54,780
object of uh

8240
05:30:58,310 --> 05:30:56,100
probably we've brought the whole

8241
05:30:59,990 --> 05:30:58,320
neighborhood in to check us out at this

8242
05:31:00,948 --> 05:31:00,000
particular time wouldn't surprise me at

8243
05:31:03,948 --> 05:31:00,958
all

8244
05:31:06,708 --> 05:31:03,958
I want to introduce Matt O'Dowd who is

8245
05:31:11,270 --> 05:31:06,718
the host of PBS space-time a professor

8246
05:31:13,128 --> 05:31:11,280
of physics as well as the launcher or

8247
05:31:16,190 --> 05:31:13,138
the filmmaker behind inventing reality

8248
05:31:17,690 --> 05:31:16,200
which is in its fundraising stage about

8249
05:31:19,430 --> 05:31:17,700
several of the topics that you've heard

8250
05:31:21,948 --> 05:31:19,440
on the toe channel that is what is

8251
05:31:24,170 --> 05:31:21,958
reality what is physics what is physics

8252
05:31:25,628 --> 05:31:24,180
relationship it's a consciousness

8253
05:31:27,850 --> 05:31:25,638
Matt

8254
05:31:30,708 --> 05:31:27,860
thank you thank you for coming on again

8255
05:31:34,788 --> 05:31:30,718
Kurt it is a pleasure to be here again I

8256
05:31:36,350 --> 05:31:34,798
feel like I'm home yeah yeah the first I

8257
05:31:37,730 --> 05:31:36,360
think the first podcast I had in this

8258
05:31:40,128 --> 05:31:37,740
setup was over here and you were

8259
05:31:41,570 --> 05:31:40,138
speaking to me so it's yeah it's nice to

8260
05:31:43,490 --> 05:31:41,580
nice to have you back on I'm not sure if

8261
05:31:45,590 --> 05:31:43,500
you've ever met Brian or Richard oh

8262
05:31:48,230 --> 05:31:45,600
Brian Brian and I go way back hey Brian

8263
05:31:49,190 --> 05:31:48,240
it's good to see you again hi Matt Happy

8264
05:31:52,730 --> 05:31:49,200
New Year

8265
05:31:55,430 --> 05:31:52,740
you too so Richard Dolan is a historian

8266
05:31:57,830 --> 05:31:55,440
and focuses on the the UFO phenomenon

8267
05:32:00,590 --> 05:31:57,840
but I'm sure I'm I'm not even giving the

8268
05:32:02,448 --> 05:32:00,600
proper introduction so please fill in

8269
05:32:03,708 --> 05:32:02,458
the gaps Richard and Matt I just give

8270
05:32:06,230 --> 05:32:03,718
the introduction Matt's a professor of

8271
05:32:08,628 --> 05:32:06,240
physics who has a wonderful

8272
05:32:09,530 --> 05:32:08,638
YouTube channel called space PBS space

8273
05:32:11,930 --> 05:32:09,540
time

8274
05:32:15,410 --> 05:32:11,940
hi Richard good to meet you nice uh same

8275
05:32:15,420 --> 05:32:18,490
what are we talking about

8276
05:32:23,948 --> 05:32:21,708
it's uh we're just hanging out Toronto

8277
05:32:27,170 --> 05:32:23,958
Blue Jays they're talking about

8278
05:32:28,448 --> 05:32:27,180
talking about baseball

8279
05:32:31,610 --> 05:32:28,458
yeah

8280
05:32:33,530 --> 05:32:31,620
so so Brian are you able to stay for a

8281
05:32:36,350 --> 05:32:33,540
bit longer or you have to get going

8282
05:32:38,090 --> 05:32:36,360
yeah yeah I can stay until uh until I

8283
05:32:40,490 --> 05:32:38,100
get hit in the head with a nice Ice uh

8284
05:32:42,050 --> 05:32:40,500
great great a couple more minutes so

8285
05:32:44,270 --> 05:32:42,060
Richard so we're going to start taking

8286
05:32:45,890 --> 05:32:44,280
some questions from the audience and

8287
05:32:46,910 --> 05:32:45,900
well we should have been doing that the

8288
05:32:49,010 --> 05:32:46,920
whole time there are many questions

8289
05:32:50,930 --> 05:32:49,020
already but I'm saying that right now so

8290
05:32:52,730 --> 05:32:50,940
please because the rest are scrolled far

8291
05:32:55,310 --> 05:32:52,740
up I can't find them

8292
05:32:57,110 --> 05:32:55,320
one of them that came was what do you

8293
05:32:59,090 --> 05:32:57,120
think Richard this one's for you but

8294
05:33:00,410 --> 05:32:59,100
anyone else you can feel free to riff

8295
05:33:02,030 --> 05:33:00,420
off of Richard what do you think the

8296
05:33:05,090 --> 05:33:02,040
relationship is between some of these

8297
05:33:07,190 --> 05:33:05,100
ancient myths so religious myths and the

8298
05:33:08,570 --> 05:33:07,200
phenomenon

8299
05:33:10,368 --> 05:33:08,580
yeah I've been I've been on the show

8300
05:33:13,850 --> 05:33:10,378
Ancient Aliens about a million times but

8301
05:33:15,830 --> 05:33:13,860
I'm actually not someone who uh

8302
05:33:18,470 --> 05:33:15,840
really tries to make a lot of strong

8303
05:33:22,368 --> 05:33:18,480
connections between uh our ancient

8304
05:33:25,010 --> 05:33:22,378
history and E.T I'm I'm a very strong

8305
05:33:27,410 --> 05:33:25,020
student of ancient history and uh and

8306
05:33:30,830 --> 05:33:27,420
prehistory it's a big interest of mine

8307
05:33:32,090 --> 05:33:30,840
uh and also the origin of uh of myths in

8308
05:33:35,750 --> 05:33:32,100
our world

8309
05:33:37,610 --> 05:33:35,760
and uh whereas I do think that there's

8310
05:33:41,030 --> 05:33:37,620
there's reason to think that we've been

8311
05:33:43,430 --> 05:33:41,040
monitored uh by let's call them others

8312
05:33:46,250 --> 05:33:43,440
for a long time uh I think I've

8313
05:33:47,448 --> 05:33:46,260
characterized it as a fairly low level

8314
05:33:48,830 --> 05:33:47,458
thing I think it's totally different

8315
05:33:53,628 --> 05:33:48,840
than what we're dealing with now in the

8316
05:33:54,350 --> 05:33:53,638
in the 20th and 21st centuries so I um I

8317
05:33:56,750 --> 05:33:54,360
don't know if we really have enough

8318
05:33:58,010 --> 05:33:56,760
information to to make any of these

8319
05:34:00,230 --> 05:33:58,020
connections I think when people talk

8320
05:34:02,868 --> 05:34:00,240
about people like Zechariah sitchin I

8321
05:34:06,830 --> 05:34:02,878
think that was way way just off base

8322
05:34:10,610 --> 05:34:06,840
not a not really a supporter of his work

8323
05:34:12,890 --> 05:34:10,620
and I and I I'm very hesitant I guess

8324
05:34:14,570 --> 05:34:12,900
I'll just say to make strong connections

8325
05:34:16,070 --> 05:34:14,580
about that I'm not saying it's

8326
05:34:18,288 --> 05:34:16,080
impossible but

8327
05:34:19,730 --> 05:34:18,298
um I don't think I'm on board with most

8328
05:34:21,708 --> 05:34:19,740
of it

8329
05:34:24,350 --> 05:34:21,718
Matt have you have you been asked

8330
05:34:26,090 --> 05:34:24,360
publicly about your opinions on the UFO

8331
05:34:27,590 --> 05:34:26,100
phenomenon

8332
05:34:33,050 --> 05:34:27,600
not publicly

8333
05:34:34,490 --> 05:34:33,060
um I'm sure there have been some YouTube

8334
05:34:37,610 --> 05:34:34,500
comments but

8335
05:34:39,770 --> 05:34:37,620
uh are you are you saying that because

8336
05:34:43,368 --> 05:34:39,780
you're about to ask me or

8337
05:34:46,610 --> 05:34:43,378
preparing me yeah this is uh

8338
05:34:51,230 --> 05:34:48,110
you know those

8339
05:34:54,948 --> 05:34:51,240
um those fighter pilots uh extremely

8340
05:34:57,410 --> 05:34:54,958
highly trained uh

8341
05:35:00,830 --> 05:34:57,420
rational human beings

8342
05:35:03,430 --> 05:35:00,840
um and and and they saw some and

8343
05:35:06,350 --> 05:35:03,440
and we don't know what it is

8344
05:35:08,628 --> 05:35:06,360
and it you know apparently the Air Force

8345
05:35:09,410 --> 05:35:08,638
doesn't know what it is so I think I

8346
05:35:14,628 --> 05:35:09,420
think

8347
05:35:16,910 --> 05:35:14,638
flying objects that have not been

8348
05:35:18,890 --> 05:35:16,920
identified so

8349
05:35:21,708 --> 05:35:18,900
um so the question is

8350
05:35:26,750 --> 05:35:21,718
what are they uh

8351
05:35:29,930 --> 05:35:26,760
my gut instinct is to

8352
05:35:32,810 --> 05:35:29,940
hypothesize aliens last

8353
05:35:34,910 --> 05:35:32,820
but that is because really because I

8354
05:35:38,330 --> 05:35:34,920
wanted to be aliens

8355
05:35:40,788 --> 05:35:38,340
but I don't want to fool myself

8356
05:35:43,930 --> 05:35:40,798
or the exact opposite I don't want it to

8357
05:35:46,788 --> 05:35:43,940
be aliens but I think it is

8358
05:35:48,410 --> 05:35:46,798
why don't you want it to be aliens uh

8359
05:35:50,868 --> 05:35:48,420
I'm not really too crazy about the idea

8360
05:35:53,270 --> 05:35:50,878
of aliens being here

8361
05:35:55,550 --> 05:35:53,280
um not really in love with the idea but

8362
05:35:58,788 --> 05:35:55,560
uh I actually do think that that's what

8363
05:36:00,530 --> 05:35:58,798
we're dealing with I think uh

8364
05:36:03,470 --> 05:36:00,540
you know when I look at the long history

8365
05:36:04,310 --> 05:36:03,480
of the modern UFO phenomenon

8366
05:36:05,628 --> 05:36:04,320
um

8367
05:36:07,730 --> 05:36:05,638
you know everything that we know about

8368
05:36:09,230 --> 05:36:07,740
from the so-called Tic Tac UFO incident

8369
05:36:12,708 --> 05:36:09,240
of 2004

8370
05:36:14,330 --> 05:36:12,718
or the USS Roosevelt 2014 2015 in all of

8371
05:36:17,570 --> 05:36:14,340
these cases and then the elites to

8372
05:36:19,910 --> 05:36:17,580
Jeremy Corbell in 2019 2020.

8373
05:36:21,708 --> 05:36:19,920
that's all recent but those types of

8374
05:36:23,570 --> 05:36:21,718
events have gone on

8375
05:36:25,610 --> 05:36:23,580
they were going on in the 90s and in the

8376
05:36:28,368 --> 05:36:25,620
80s and in the 70s and 60s and 50s and

8377
05:36:31,010 --> 05:36:28,378
the 40s 1940s we have documents military

8378
05:36:33,230 --> 05:36:31,020
Declassified showing these objects or at

8379
05:36:34,430 --> 05:36:33,240
least having been tracked at 9 000 miles

8380
05:36:36,230 --> 05:36:34,440
per hour

8381
05:36:38,448 --> 05:36:36,240
what what the heck is that supposed to

8382
05:36:40,730 --> 05:36:38,458
be at high altitude 100 000 feet

8383
05:36:42,410 --> 05:36:40,740
altitude

8384
05:36:43,970 --> 05:36:42,420
um you know they had the other lights

8385
05:36:46,070 --> 05:36:43,980
that were very very good at measuring

8386
05:36:47,868 --> 05:36:46,080
speed and distance in Azimuth and so

8387
05:36:49,368 --> 05:36:47,878
forth and um

8388
05:36:50,150 --> 05:36:49,378
I trust their ability to know what they

8389
05:36:52,550 --> 05:36:50,160
were doing

8390
05:36:54,708 --> 05:36:52,560
so they came up with data that is not

8391
05:36:58,250 --> 05:36:54,718
easily comprehensible

8392
05:37:00,050 --> 05:36:58,260
unless there was a very very clandestine

8393
05:37:02,208 --> 05:37:00,060
science project that no one has known

8394
05:37:04,910 --> 05:37:02,218
about here

8395
05:37:07,730 --> 05:37:04,920
um that's that's got a global presence

8396
05:37:09,948 --> 05:37:07,740
and has had one since before the turn of

8397
05:37:11,930 --> 05:37:09,958
the middle of the 20th century

8398
05:37:14,270 --> 05:37:11,940
I don't know what else it could be and

8399
05:37:15,830 --> 05:37:14,280
in fact when you look at uh you know the

8400
05:37:20,810 --> 05:37:15,840
few classified studies that we have

8401
05:37:23,270 --> 05:37:20,820
access to or at least moderate access to

8402
05:37:24,530 --> 05:37:23,280
um within the US military you find

8403
05:37:25,550 --> 05:37:24,540
there's always factions that were

8404
05:37:27,350 --> 05:37:25,560
convinced that this was an

8405
05:37:29,690 --> 05:37:27,360
extraterrestrial or as they would say

8406
05:37:31,670 --> 05:37:29,700
interplanetary phenomenon that was

8407
05:37:33,410 --> 05:37:31,680
always a very significant group of

8408
05:37:35,510 --> 05:37:33,420
people

8409
05:37:37,250 --> 05:37:35,520
um and how deep does it go is a real

8410
05:37:38,510 --> 05:37:37,260
question so no I think it's actually

8411
05:37:42,410 --> 05:37:38,520
quite

8412
05:37:44,570 --> 05:37:42,420
a bit and I think that the ET hypothesis

8413
05:37:45,948 --> 05:37:44,580
is probably to me it makes the most

8414
05:37:47,810 --> 05:37:45,958
sense it makes more sense than anything

8415
05:37:51,650 --> 05:37:47,820
else that I can imagine

8416
05:37:53,990 --> 05:37:51,660
that's just me yeah I so

8417
05:37:56,330 --> 05:37:54,000
I I admit I haven't done

8418
05:37:56,930 --> 05:37:56,340
my due diligence

8419
05:37:58,610 --> 05:37:56,940
um

8420
05:38:00,770 --> 05:37:58,620
I've watched a few can you speak a bit

8421
05:38:03,110 --> 05:38:00,780
louder oh yeah sorry I I haven't done my

8422
05:38:04,430 --> 05:38:03,120
due diligence on this particular topic

8423
05:38:08,570 --> 05:38:04,440
um

8424
05:38:11,030 --> 05:38:08,580
uh there there is however a great uh

8425
05:38:13,610 --> 05:38:11,040
video by Joe Scott so I don't know if

8426
05:38:16,190 --> 05:38:13,620
you guys know Joe Scott he has a uh

8427
05:38:17,628 --> 05:38:16,200
science physics YouTube channel also and

8428
05:38:20,270 --> 05:38:17,638
he did a

8429
05:38:23,930 --> 05:38:20,280
uh what I thought sounded like a

8430
05:38:24,590 --> 05:38:23,940
compelling dissection of the UFO report

8431
05:38:25,910 --> 05:38:24,600
um

8432
05:38:28,430 --> 05:38:25,920
and

8433
05:38:33,890 --> 05:38:28,440
I got the sense that it was plausible

8434
05:38:36,170 --> 05:38:33,900
that it was a a light phenomenon

8435
05:38:38,448 --> 05:38:36,180
as opposed to being actual physical

8436
05:38:42,350 --> 05:38:38,458
matter traveling at that speed

8437
05:38:46,430 --> 05:38:42,360
um but like I said I you know you've

8438
05:38:48,110 --> 05:38:46,440
clearly uh read and researched far more

8439
05:38:50,090 --> 05:38:48,120
than I have so I don't want to pretend

8440
05:38:51,708 --> 05:38:50,100
like I know but I would I would

8441
05:38:54,650 --> 05:38:51,718
recommend that video and be curious

8442
05:38:58,368 --> 05:38:54,660
which report was he commenting on

8443
05:39:03,288 --> 05:38:58,378
this is a year ago the most recent UAP

8444
05:39:07,310 --> 05:39:05,270
so a question that I get asked plenty

8445
05:39:10,128 --> 05:39:07,320
and I'm curious to know Matt

8446
05:39:12,050 --> 05:39:10,138
Brian and also Richard your response to

8447
05:39:14,510 --> 05:39:12,060
is how can one

8448
05:39:16,610 --> 05:39:14,520
scientifically test this phenomenon

8449
05:39:18,890 --> 05:39:16,620
given that it's

8450
05:39:21,350 --> 05:39:18,900
unrepeatable

8451
05:39:23,448 --> 05:39:21,360
so what would be the best way one way is

8452
05:39:25,070 --> 05:39:23,458
to just reject the premise and say no it

8453
05:39:28,550 --> 05:39:25,080
is repeatable and then here's some way

8454
05:39:31,850 --> 05:39:28,560
but well what would Brian

8455
05:39:34,010 --> 05:39:31,860
yeah well I I yeah just uh I did did ask

8456
05:39:36,288 --> 05:39:34,020
Avi Loeb this very question multiple

8457
05:39:38,530 --> 05:39:36,298
times and I've never gotten a

8458
05:39:42,590 --> 05:39:38,540
satisfactory answer so he claims

8459
05:39:44,090 --> 05:39:42,600
of course uh Interstellar uh object uh

8460
05:39:47,030 --> 05:39:44,100
prepared by extraterrestrial

8461
05:39:49,610 --> 05:39:47,040
intelligence uh some star system that we

8462
05:39:51,590 --> 05:39:49,620
can't or you know reconcile with uh

8463
05:39:53,750 --> 05:39:51,600
because of the difficulty in orbital

8464
05:39:55,670 --> 05:39:53,760
mechanics and reconstructing it

8465
05:39:58,610 --> 05:39:55,680
we just do know that it's velocity is

8466
05:40:01,490 --> 05:39:58,620
consistent with origin or coming from an

8467
05:40:03,288 --> 05:40:01,500
extrasolar location so I said Avi look

8468
05:40:04,430 --> 05:40:03,298
you know if I had access to a

8469
05:40:06,230 --> 05:40:04,440
billionaire in the way that you have

8470
05:40:08,628 --> 05:40:06,240
access to a billionaire instead of

8471
05:40:12,170 --> 05:40:08,638
slingshotting you know a bunch of iPhone

8472
05:40:14,510 --> 05:40:12,180
cameras to proximus and Tory B I would

8473
05:40:17,090 --> 05:40:14,520
uh actually redirect them and and send

8474
05:40:18,650 --> 05:40:17,100
all my energy to go after omuamua uh

8475
05:40:20,930 --> 05:40:18,660
because he he's convinced that you know

8476
05:40:22,128 --> 05:40:20,940
over 90 which for Abby he's actually

8477
05:40:26,030 --> 05:40:22,138
going through the math he's not saying

8478
05:40:28,730 --> 05:40:26,040
ah 90 chance you know I flipped a dozen

8479
05:40:31,550 --> 05:40:28,740
coins and you know no he really has gone

8480
05:40:34,070 --> 05:40:31,560
through the math and scribes a very high

8481
05:40:36,110 --> 05:40:34,080
much greater than even odds to this

8482
05:40:38,930 --> 05:40:36,120
object's extraterrestrial origin

8483
05:40:40,010 --> 05:40:38,940
and um and I said well why don't you

8484
05:40:42,830 --> 05:40:40,020
convince

8485
05:40:44,570 --> 05:40:42,840
um uh you know Yuri Milner to give you

8486
05:40:46,910 --> 05:40:44,580
uh you know 10 million dollars to

8487
05:40:48,770 --> 05:40:46,920
immediately go after a muamu while it's

8488
05:40:51,110 --> 05:40:48,780
still in The Helio you know pause and

8489
05:40:53,090 --> 05:40:51,120
and it's still you know within our solar

8490
05:40:55,850 --> 05:40:53,100
systems you know nearest boundaries and

8491
05:40:58,788 --> 05:40:55,860
it's not so far out as going to four

8492
05:41:01,250 --> 05:40:58,798
light years away as it would be for

8493
05:41:04,788 --> 05:41:01,260
project Starship I said oh no no no no

8494
05:41:07,250 --> 05:41:04,798
one is uh characteristic uh you know uh

8495
05:41:09,170 --> 05:41:07,260
chastising voice he said no with Vera

8496
05:41:10,970 --> 05:41:09,180
Rubin we're going to discover Ruben

8497
05:41:13,750 --> 05:41:10,980
Observatory which is the largest kind of

8498
05:41:17,090 --> 05:41:13,760
it used to be called the LA lsst large

8499
05:41:20,750 --> 05:41:17,100
uh synaptic survey telescope in chela

8500
05:41:22,850 --> 05:41:20,760
it's a a meter class telescope and we'll

8501
05:41:24,288 --> 05:41:22,860
be using parts of it data and they'll be

8502
05:41:26,270 --> 05:41:24,298
using some of our data from the Simon's

8503
05:41:28,550 --> 05:41:26,280
Observatory down in Chile as well to

8504
05:41:30,590 --> 05:41:28,560
look for planet nine which is a totally

8505
05:41:31,850 --> 05:41:30,600
other side project of ours on the

8506
05:41:33,410 --> 05:41:31,860
Simon's observatory in addition to

8507
05:41:36,590 --> 05:41:33,420
looking for inflationary gravitational

8508
05:41:38,930 --> 05:41:36,600
waves anyway he said no we're going to

8509
05:41:40,910 --> 05:41:38,940
be basically filthy the sky is going to

8510
05:41:43,310 --> 05:41:40,920
be you know blotted out by how many

8511
05:41:45,530 --> 05:41:43,320
discoveries of these extrasolar objects

8512
05:41:47,208 --> 05:41:45,540
we can make but I said do you still do

8513
05:41:49,250 --> 05:41:47,218
you have a plan do you have confidence

8514
05:41:51,948 --> 05:41:49,260
this thing is could not be repeatable as

8515
05:41:54,050 --> 05:41:51,958
you said Kurt why not take your chance I

8516
05:41:56,390 --> 05:41:54,060
mean the number of like super anovas

8517
05:41:58,190 --> 05:41:56,400
we're overdue for about four supernovae

8518
05:41:59,510 --> 05:41:58,200
right Matt I mean in our galaxy we

8519
05:42:01,850 --> 05:41:59,520
should have had about you know a

8520
05:42:04,490 --> 05:42:01,860
supernova per Century last major one was

8521
05:42:06,948 --> 05:42:04,500
in you know 1594 you know Kepler

8522
05:42:18,850 --> 05:42:06,958
observed it so fortunately they don't

8523
05:42:24,128 --> 05:42:21,770
they don't line up and and all go at

8524
05:42:27,410 --> 05:42:24,138
once if they're like

8525
05:42:29,570 --> 05:42:27,420
okay so so in other words you know don't

8526
05:42:31,310 --> 05:42:29,580
don't you know wait for the next one to

8527
05:42:33,288 --> 05:42:31,320
come around because your math predicts

8528
05:42:35,150 --> 05:42:33,298
that it should go after the one the bird

8529
05:42:37,310 --> 05:42:35,160
in the hand and he's been kind of

8530
05:42:39,530 --> 05:42:37,320
dismissive of that I I sort of would

8531
05:42:41,930 --> 05:42:39,540
would say no if this is not repeatable

8532
05:42:45,170 --> 05:42:41,940
we have to make every effort to actually

8533
05:42:47,270 --> 05:42:45,180
confirm this object is is real

8534
05:42:49,490 --> 05:42:47,280
um and uh you know so he and I have a

8535
05:42:50,690 --> 05:42:49,500
friendly debate about that but yeah it

8536
05:42:53,090 --> 05:42:50,700
is true a lot of these things are

8537
05:42:56,090 --> 05:42:53,100
one-off events on the other hand if you

8538
05:42:57,010 --> 05:42:56,100
look back to like what was Aviation like

8539
05:43:01,610 --> 05:42:57,020
in

8540
05:43:02,990 --> 05:43:01,620
1922 so 100 years ago 1923 100 years ago

8541
05:43:05,090 --> 05:43:03,000
um you couldn't really get on an

8542
05:43:06,948 --> 05:43:05,100
airplane and get you know stuck by

8543
05:43:08,628 --> 05:43:06,958
Southwest I mean you could you could get

8544
05:43:10,850 --> 05:43:08,638
on an airplane if you had a lot of money

8545
05:43:13,310 --> 05:43:10,860
and a Barnstormer happened to come by

8546
05:43:14,868 --> 05:43:13,320
your neighborhood uh Airfield and just

8547
05:43:16,788 --> 05:43:14,878
pick you up and take you up for five

8548
05:43:18,650 --> 05:43:16,798
minutes for a wing walk

8549
05:43:20,330 --> 05:43:18,660
um and and nowadays of course it's

8550
05:43:23,090 --> 05:43:20,340
incredibly common unless you're on

8551
05:43:26,208 --> 05:43:23,100
Southwest as I said uh but the the fact

8552
05:43:28,970 --> 05:43:26,218
is uh where if we're in this you know

8553
05:43:31,010 --> 05:43:28,980
nascence of a technology as perhaps

8554
05:43:33,170 --> 05:43:31,020
Richard is is hinting at you know that

8555
05:43:34,910 --> 05:43:33,180
it's going to be this explosion you know

8556
05:43:36,830 --> 05:43:34,920
I would ask the kind of Nancy Kerrigan

8557
05:43:40,490 --> 05:43:36,840
question you know why now what you know

8558
05:43:42,050 --> 05:43:40,500
why why us you know why here and it's

8559
05:43:42,770 --> 05:43:42,060
not really clear

8560
05:43:46,070 --> 05:43:42,780
um

8561
05:43:48,410 --> 05:43:46,080
as the uh you know as the technological

8562
05:43:50,330 --> 05:43:48,420
you know blueprint of us going forward I

8563
05:43:52,310 --> 05:43:50,340
do believe we'll be visiting Mars you

8564
05:43:53,930 --> 05:43:52,320
know in the future and it's not so

8565
05:43:55,548 --> 05:43:53,940
far-fetched to do that because we are in

8566
05:43:57,830 --> 05:43:55,558
that barnstorming phase of space flight

8567
05:43:59,330 --> 05:43:57,840
so in 100 years from now on you know

8568
05:44:01,610 --> 05:43:59,340
when Kurt's great-grandchildren

8569
05:44:03,110 --> 05:44:01,620
rehearsing hosting you know Theory of

8570
05:44:05,750 --> 05:44:03,120
Everything You know the the second

8571
05:44:08,330 --> 05:44:05,760
generation third generation then they'll

8572
05:44:10,490 --> 05:44:08,340
be talking about it but would it be

8573
05:44:12,650 --> 05:44:10,500
possible that there's a there's a

8574
05:44:13,788 --> 05:44:12,660
there's a you know Mass Evolution and

8575
05:44:15,830 --> 05:44:13,798
mass

8576
05:44:17,628 --> 05:44:15,840
um sightings and actual encounters and

8577
05:44:20,270 --> 05:44:17,638
why would that be happening now as

8578
05:44:22,190 --> 05:44:20,280
opposed to 400 years ago or a thousand

8579
05:44:24,170 --> 05:44:22,200
years from now and I know I've heard

8580
05:44:27,948 --> 05:44:24,180
some of the arguments for it but curious

8581
05:44:34,250 --> 05:44:30,910
Matt so to answer the first question

8582
05:44:35,288 --> 05:44:34,260
what do we do for a non-repeatable event

8583
05:44:38,990 --> 05:44:35,298
that

8584
05:44:41,948 --> 05:44:39,000
is how do we test for it I mean it you

8585
05:44:44,990 --> 05:44:41,958
know if the stories about UFOs coming

8586
05:44:47,410 --> 05:44:45,000
regularly uh true then it's a repeatable

8587
05:44:49,670 --> 05:44:47,420
event you just don't know when and

8588
05:44:53,690 --> 05:44:49,680
presumably these things are made of some

8589
05:44:56,208 --> 05:44:53,700
kind of matter so we might build uh

8590
05:44:57,730 --> 05:44:56,218
various detectors radar-like things and

8591
05:45:00,048 --> 05:44:57,740
put them across the planet to detect

8592
05:45:02,030 --> 05:45:00,058
objects made of matter flying around and

8593
05:45:06,010 --> 05:45:02,040
and indeed we have

8594
05:45:09,048 --> 05:45:06,020
that across the globe who have

8595
05:45:11,628 --> 05:45:09,058
objects built to detect

8596
05:45:15,110 --> 05:45:11,638
you know icbms

8597
05:45:17,330 --> 05:45:15,120
um traveling between the continents uh

8598
05:45:19,490 --> 05:45:17,340
so

8599
05:45:21,830 --> 05:45:19,500
that I mean we we have the technology to

8600
05:45:24,890 --> 05:45:21,840
detect these things and and so

8601
05:45:26,510 --> 05:45:24,900
this is why I think it's

8602
05:45:28,570 --> 05:45:26,520
you know in order for us to say we

8603
05:45:31,670 --> 05:45:28,580
haven't detected them it

8604
05:45:35,628 --> 05:45:31,680
requires some kind of very high level

8605
05:45:39,830 --> 05:45:35,638
and very very consistent conspiracy and

8606
05:45:42,410 --> 05:45:39,840
a a conspiracy of a consistency that I I

8607
05:45:46,310 --> 05:45:42,420
don't think our governments have shown

8608
05:45:47,690 --> 05:45:46,320
the competence to be able to sustain you

8609
05:45:50,750 --> 05:45:47,700
know across

8610
05:45:54,410 --> 05:45:50,760
you know multiple election Cycles

8611
05:45:57,350 --> 05:45:54,420
um you know and across multiple Nations

8612
05:46:00,770 --> 05:45:59,570
if these things aren't detectable by our

8613
05:46:02,750 --> 05:46:00,780
current technology I mean they clear

8614
05:46:04,548 --> 05:46:02,760
they're clearly detectable from their

8615
05:46:06,350 --> 05:46:04,558
light because they're seen

8616
05:46:09,110 --> 05:46:06,360
uh so they're at least detectable that

8617
05:46:12,288 --> 05:46:09,120
way perhaps they they hide from radio so

8618
05:46:14,448 --> 05:46:12,298
you know we could scan the sky

8619
05:46:16,670 --> 05:46:14,458
um more thoroughly than we are but I

8620
05:46:20,750 --> 05:46:16,680
feel like

8621
05:46:23,090 --> 05:46:20,760
bit about at the pattern of of when

8622
05:46:25,190 --> 05:46:23,100
these things are detected and who by and

8623
05:46:26,448 --> 05:46:25,200
you can do a numbers game you know if

8624
05:46:30,170 --> 05:46:26,458
these things are detected with this

8625
05:46:31,690 --> 05:46:30,180
frequency by Air Force pilots and by

8626
05:46:34,128 --> 05:46:31,700
um you know

8627
05:46:36,670 --> 05:46:34,138
midwesterners and and whoever sees them

8628
05:46:40,070 --> 05:46:36,680
more frequently then it's not hard to

8629
05:46:42,590 --> 05:46:40,080
extrapolate to estimate how often you

8630
05:46:44,570 --> 05:46:42,600
know the average person would see a UFO

8631
05:46:45,830 --> 05:46:44,580
and you can ask whether that happens you

8632
05:46:47,330 --> 05:46:45,840
can ask whether

8633
05:46:49,548 --> 05:46:47,340
they're

8634
05:46:51,530 --> 05:46:49,558
um their sightings are somehow

8635
05:46:54,410 --> 05:46:51,540
correlated

8636
05:46:59,150 --> 05:46:54,420
in a way that points you to some other

8637
05:47:03,940 --> 05:46:59,160
potential uh origin for these sightings

8638
05:47:04,850 --> 05:47:03,950
um as for things like um

8639
05:47:05,990 --> 05:47:04,860
[Applause]

8640
05:47:10,970 --> 05:47:06,000
um

8641
05:47:12,590 --> 05:47:10,980
I I not only do I not think was

8642
05:47:15,288 --> 05:47:12,600
technology

8643
05:47:18,368 --> 05:47:15,298
uh I I think it's impossible for it to

8644
05:47:23,690 --> 05:47:18,378
have been Technology based on the very

8645
05:47:25,070 --> 05:47:23,700
numbers that Avi lope has crunched uh I

8646
05:47:28,128 --> 05:47:25,080
I did the calculation I can't remember

8647
05:47:30,470 --> 05:47:28,138
what it was but but I think the I think

8648
05:47:32,990 --> 05:47:30,480
RV statement was that okay so this thing

8649
05:47:35,030 --> 05:47:33,000
is tumbling it must be a defunct probe

8650
05:47:37,310 --> 05:47:35,040
that is that is now tumbling because

8651
05:47:38,208 --> 05:47:37,320
it's lost its power or whatever

8652
05:47:40,610 --> 05:47:38,218
um

8653
05:47:43,730 --> 05:47:40,620
therefore it's not that and if it's not

8654
05:47:46,190 --> 05:47:43,740
guided then you can estimate the

8655
05:47:47,510 --> 05:47:46,200
abundance of defunct probes in the

8656
05:47:49,250 --> 05:47:47,520
interstellar space in order for one of

8657
05:47:52,430 --> 05:47:49,260
them to have fallen into our solar

8658
05:47:55,070 --> 05:47:52,440
system and the number you get is

8659
05:47:58,310 --> 05:47:55,080
insane in that you would need you know

8660
05:48:00,048 --> 05:47:58,320
more uh defunct Interstellar probes than

8661
05:48:02,208 --> 05:48:00,058
there are

8662
05:48:05,390 --> 05:48:02,218
ordinary rocks floating between the

8663
05:48:09,830 --> 05:48:05,400
stars and and so you know I think

8664
05:48:11,990 --> 05:48:09,840
uh although Avi is a brilliant scientist

8665
05:48:13,368 --> 05:48:12,000
I I think

8666
05:48:16,548 --> 05:48:13,378
um

8667
05:48:19,930 --> 05:48:16,558
he may be expressing more confidence in

8668
05:48:23,750 --> 05:48:19,940
his belief in this than he actually has

8669
05:48:26,150 --> 05:48:23,760
yeah you're patiently waiting so please

8670
05:48:29,750 --> 05:48:26,160
what's your answer to this question and

8671
05:48:31,490 --> 05:48:29,760
then also Tyler nikolaj and Sorenson I

8672
05:48:32,948 --> 05:48:31,500
know that you're waiting so patiently in

8673
05:48:35,030 --> 05:48:32,958
the waiting room I'm Gonna Let You in

8674
05:48:37,730 --> 05:48:35,040
I'll be quick then

8675
05:48:39,170 --> 05:48:37,740
speaking as the non-scientist here

8676
05:48:41,030 --> 05:48:39,180
um I don't really have a qualified

8677
05:48:42,830 --> 05:48:41,040
scientific well your husband of this but

8678
05:48:44,628 --> 05:48:42,840
I have more knowledge than all of us put

8679
05:48:46,490 --> 05:48:44,638
together on this topic

8680
05:48:49,788 --> 05:48:46,500
uh what I what I would say is what we

8681
05:48:51,590 --> 05:48:49,798
need is is reliable data capture so uh

8682
05:48:53,510 --> 05:48:51,600
the idea that I was expressing earlier

8683
05:48:55,670 --> 05:48:53,520
by I wish I could recall this particular

8684
05:48:59,048 --> 05:48:55,680
German scientist name but there's just a

8685
05:49:02,270 --> 05:48:59,058
number of these types of ideas of of

8686
05:49:04,310 --> 05:49:02,280
capturing data and then studying it um

8687
05:49:06,048 --> 05:49:04,320
now yeah I remember speaking with

8688
05:49:08,810 --> 05:49:06,058
Christopher Mellon about this who wrote

8689
05:49:10,910 --> 05:49:08,820
a very good piece about uh less than a

8690
05:49:12,708 --> 05:49:10,920
year ago calling out the United States

8691
05:49:17,150 --> 05:49:12,718
Air Force for its

8692
05:49:19,610 --> 05:49:17,160
absolute uh opaqueness regarding

8693
05:49:21,650 --> 05:49:19,620
the data that he he said he knows that

8694
05:49:24,230 --> 05:49:21,660
it has relating to this subject and was

8695
05:49:27,170 --> 05:49:24,240
referencing a large number of U.S

8696
05:49:29,270 --> 05:49:27,180
satellite systems that he said these are

8697
05:49:31,070 --> 05:49:29,280
perfectly designed for capturing

8698
05:49:32,810 --> 05:49:31,080
anomalous data and he says and I'm

8699
05:49:34,910 --> 05:49:32,820
absolutely certain they've done that but

8700
05:49:37,490 --> 05:49:34,920
we don't have access to that information

8701
05:49:39,948 --> 05:49:37,500
so I think you know it's it's not

8702
05:49:41,868 --> 05:49:39,958
repeatable as a phenomenon we've known

8703
05:49:43,070 --> 05:49:41,878
this for a long time I mean the problem

8704
05:49:44,930 --> 05:49:43,080
with science

8705
05:49:47,270 --> 05:49:44,940
correct me guys if I'm wrong here but

8706
05:49:49,010 --> 05:49:47,280
you know when you're doing science you

8707
05:49:51,170 --> 05:49:49,020
you the scientists are assuming that

8708
05:49:52,368 --> 05:49:51,180
you're in charge of the experiment uh

8709
05:49:54,350 --> 05:49:52,378
but if there's an intelligence that's

8710
05:49:56,090 --> 05:49:54,360
beyond your own uh it might be very

8711
05:49:57,350 --> 05:49:56,100
difficult to do that you might be

8712
05:49:58,970 --> 05:49:57,360
dealing with intelligence that doesn't

8713
05:50:01,368 --> 05:49:58,980
want to play the same game that you want

8714
05:50:03,530 --> 05:50:01,378
to play and might make it difficult if

8715
05:50:05,810 --> 05:50:03,540
that is the case if we're not at the top

8716
05:50:09,530 --> 05:50:05,820
of the the intellectual food chain here

8717
05:50:11,868 --> 05:50:09,540
in our analysis of something what is the

8718
05:50:13,310 --> 05:50:11,878
likelihood that a scientist is going to

8719
05:50:15,770 --> 05:50:13,320
be able to get you know it's one thing

8720
05:50:18,110 --> 05:50:15,780
if you're studying a virus in a and a

8721
05:50:19,788 --> 05:50:18,120
microscope that that'll behave more or

8722
05:50:21,948 --> 05:50:19,798
less the way you expect it to but I

8723
05:50:24,470 --> 05:50:21,958
don't know if highly intelligent

8724
05:50:26,930 --> 05:50:24,480
presumably extremely Advanced aliens are

8725
05:50:28,670 --> 05:50:26,940
going to play by our rules so I don't

8726
05:50:31,190 --> 05:50:28,680
know if that causes a problem in terms

8727
05:50:34,430 --> 05:50:31,200
of scientific analysis but I do think

8728
05:50:37,250 --> 05:50:34,440
data capture and historical analysis are

8729
05:50:39,230 --> 05:50:37,260
always going to be important my field is

8730
05:50:42,350 --> 05:50:39,240
my study is out of History I know that

8731
05:50:43,850 --> 05:50:42,360
very well and and the only thing that I

8732
05:50:47,090 --> 05:50:43,860
can say

8733
05:50:48,288 --> 05:50:47,100
pretty confidently is that the major

8734
05:50:50,448 --> 05:50:48,298
governments and National Security

8735
05:50:51,948 --> 05:50:50,458
establishments around this world have

8736
05:50:55,250 --> 05:50:51,958
engaged with this phenomenon and have

8737
05:50:59,090 --> 05:50:55,260
been utterly befuddled by it or Worse

8738
05:51:00,590 --> 05:50:59,100
really concerned and um yeah I mean I

8739
05:51:02,750 --> 05:51:00,600
have to kind of agree with

8740
05:51:04,490 --> 05:51:02,760
I figured Matt though in some level you

8741
05:51:07,128 --> 05:51:04,500
know three years ago exactly I was at a

8742
05:51:09,770 --> 05:51:07,138
Shabbat some friends

8743
05:51:10,610 --> 05:51:09,780
um one of my uh seat mates was saying ah

8744
05:51:12,770 --> 05:51:10,620
you know what do you have looking

8745
05:51:16,190 --> 05:51:12,780
forward to in 2020 I said I was invited

8746
05:51:18,708 --> 05:51:16,200
to visit the Tibet Ali CMB observatory

8747
05:51:20,150 --> 05:51:18,718
in Tibet never been to China I'm looking

8748
05:51:21,948 --> 05:51:20,160
forward to it he said ah you might want

8749
05:51:24,650 --> 05:51:21,958
to think twice about that I heard about

8750
05:51:25,788 --> 05:51:24,660
this virus maybe I was born in a couple

8751
05:51:27,470 --> 05:51:25,798
of months when are you thinking of going

8752
05:51:30,170 --> 05:51:27,480
I said April

8753
05:51:32,930 --> 05:51:30,180
I maybe wait until June and here we are

8754
05:51:35,030 --> 05:51:32,940
three years later I'm into that

8755
05:51:37,010 --> 05:51:35,040
um Kurt I need to sign off I want to

8756
05:51:38,628 --> 05:51:37,020
wish you a happy New Year I want to wish

8757
05:51:40,128 --> 05:51:38,638
uh my friend Matt and thank you Richard

8758
05:51:42,530 --> 05:51:40,138
it's a pleasure talking to you hopefully

8759
05:51:45,170 --> 05:51:42,540
let's interact uh some more maybe on my

8760
05:51:46,788 --> 05:51:45,180
Channel or your channel and um for those

8761
05:51:49,548 --> 05:51:46,798
of you interested in obtaining some of

8762
05:51:51,110 --> 05:51:49,558
your own extraterrestrial materials I do

8763
05:51:53,868 --> 05:51:51,120
on my mailing list Brian keating.com

8764
05:51:55,610 --> 05:51:53,878
List have a giveaway for the next

8765
05:51:57,830 --> 05:51:55,620
hundred people that sign up for my

8766
05:51:59,330 --> 05:51:57,840
mailing list I'll send you if you're in

8767
05:52:01,670 --> 05:51:59,340
the US if you're not I'll send you a

8768
05:52:04,670 --> 05:52:01,680
link to my uh first ever audiobook by

8769
05:52:07,150 --> 05:52:04,680
Galileo Galilei but brianking.com list

8770
05:52:10,010 --> 05:52:07,160
and I'll send you a chunk

8771
05:52:11,868 --> 05:52:10,020
Interstellar space Schmutz perhaps with

8772
05:52:13,670 --> 05:52:11,878
some alien RNA on it I don't know it

8773
05:52:16,070 --> 05:52:13,680
depends on what my kid had for lunch

8774
05:52:17,750 --> 05:52:16,080
that day when he Stuffs the envelope bye

8775
05:52:19,788 --> 05:52:17,760
Kurt by Matt bye Richard great seeing

8776
05:52:22,070 --> 05:52:19,798
you hi Tyler take care brother Happy New

8777
05:52:23,990 --> 05:52:22,080
Year I'm going to bail as well it's been

8778
05:52:25,368 --> 05:52:24,000
a pleasure Kurt loves it and uh if

8779
05:52:27,170 --> 05:52:25,378
anyone wants to check out what I do I've

8780
05:52:28,610 --> 05:52:27,180
got a YouTube channel Richard Dolan

8781
05:52:31,070 --> 05:52:28,620
intelligent disclosure I've got a

8782
05:52:33,350 --> 05:52:31,080
website Richard olmembers.com go see

8783
05:52:36,110 --> 05:52:33,360
what I'm up to I'm busy there every day

8784
05:52:37,970 --> 05:52:36,120
okay hold on hold on Richard if you

8785
05:52:41,090 --> 05:52:37,980
don't mind I want to plug exactly it

8786
05:52:42,470 --> 05:52:41,100
okay so goodbye Brian so Richard Dolan

8787
05:52:45,230 --> 05:52:42,480
intelligent disclosure this is correct

8788
05:52:48,110 --> 05:52:45,240
it's on the screen right now uh yeah

8789
05:52:50,810 --> 05:52:48,120
that's my YouTube channel and so just

8790
05:52:52,490 --> 05:52:50,820
let me let me be clear there's so many

8791
05:52:54,350 --> 05:52:52,500
people in this audience that are just in

8792
05:52:56,690 --> 05:52:54,360
love with physics and also that are

8793
05:52:58,850 --> 05:52:56,700
fascinated by the UFO topic

8794
05:53:00,830 --> 05:52:58,860
if you're in the UFO topic then Richard

8795
05:53:03,110 --> 05:53:00,840
Dolan's name is not as well it's

8796
05:53:05,030 --> 05:53:03,120
extremely familiar to you if you're not

8797
05:53:06,890 --> 05:53:05,040
in the UFO topic and you want an

8798
05:53:08,690 --> 05:53:06,900
introduction well Richard Dolan is a

8799
05:53:10,610 --> 05:53:08,700
great way to get such an introduction

8800
05:53:12,650 --> 05:53:10,620
and speaking of introductions I'm going

8801
05:53:15,350 --> 05:53:12,660
to introduce Tyler

8802
05:53:18,770 --> 05:53:15,360
and the rest of you all Sorensen and

8803
05:53:21,230 --> 05:53:18,780
nikolaj sorry shortly but again speaking

8804
05:53:23,570 --> 05:53:21,240
of introductions Matt Matt is the place

8805
05:53:26,390 --> 05:53:23,580
at least that I go for

8806
05:53:27,948 --> 05:53:26,400
on almost any physics topic just watch

8807
05:53:30,230 --> 05:53:27,958
Matt's video and then you get an

8808
05:53:32,810 --> 05:53:30,240
overview then if you want to delve

8809
05:53:35,690 --> 05:53:32,820
deeper you can go to books or articles

8810
05:53:38,270 --> 05:53:35,700
or even Wikipedia But mats is just a

8811
05:53:39,948 --> 05:53:38,280
great introduction so I want to plug

8812
05:53:43,010 --> 05:53:39,958
what Matt is working on even if you're

8813
05:53:46,548 --> 05:53:43,020
staying at it which is inventing reality

8814
05:53:48,048 --> 05:53:46,558
so just a moment here you go and Richard

8815
05:53:49,788 --> 05:53:48,058
Dolan what else do you got going on

8816
05:53:51,288 --> 05:53:49,798
while I plug this while I'm trying to

8817
05:53:53,208 --> 05:53:51,298
get this loaded up here what else do you

8818
05:53:54,770 --> 05:53:53,218
got going on for 2023 before I'm working

8819
05:53:56,990 --> 05:53:54,780
on book projects

8820
05:53:58,730 --> 05:53:57,000
um working uh still in the background of

8821
05:54:01,430 --> 05:53:58,740
my third volume of UFOs in the National

8822
05:54:03,230 --> 05:54:01,440
Security State I'll get that done one

8823
05:54:06,110 --> 05:54:03,240
day I'm working on a book actually on

8824
05:54:07,850 --> 05:54:06,120
Usos under unidentified submersible

8825
05:54:09,470 --> 05:54:07,860
objects and I'm doing kind of a history

8826
05:54:13,270 --> 05:54:09,480
of those I hope to have that out in the

8827
05:54:19,670 --> 05:54:15,410
you're missing Ross

8828
05:54:21,708 --> 05:54:19,680
g'day how are you good good Ross so I

8829
05:54:23,448 --> 05:54:21,718
haven't yet so firstly goodbye Richard

8830
05:54:25,788 --> 05:54:23,458
Dolan thank you it was a pleasure thank

8831
05:54:31,970 --> 05:54:28,128
I would like Ross please let me let me

8832
05:54:34,190 --> 05:54:31,980
introduce Tyler and Sorensen and nikolaj

8833
05:54:35,390 --> 05:54:34,200
first if you don't mind Ross I know that

8834
05:54:38,868 --> 05:54:35,400
you're you only have a couple minutes

8835
05:54:40,730 --> 05:54:38,878
but Tyler Sorensen and nikolaj you all

8836
05:54:42,288 --> 05:54:40,740
have entered into the theories of

8837
05:54:45,590 --> 05:54:42,298
everything physics and Consciousness

8838
05:54:47,868 --> 05:54:45,600
explication content contest and you made

8839
05:54:52,190 --> 05:54:47,878
fantastic

8840
05:54:54,470 --> 05:54:52,200
the pieces of art but but

8841
05:54:56,990 --> 05:54:54,480
well it's more than art it's informative

8842
05:54:59,150 --> 05:54:57,000
as well so like geez thank you all and

8843
05:55:00,470 --> 05:54:59,160
the links to it will be on screen and at

8844
05:55:01,850 --> 05:55:00,480
least it will be in the description once

8845
05:55:03,350 --> 05:55:01,860
this finally goes live so thank you all

8846
05:55:05,330 --> 05:55:03,360
for coming Tyler sorry I said and

8847
05:55:08,690 --> 05:55:05,340
Nikolai

8848
05:55:12,048 --> 05:55:08,700
yeah thank you thank you

8849
05:55:13,730 --> 05:55:12,058
Ross coldheart is an investigative

8850
05:55:15,048 --> 05:55:13,740
journalist I think these these words are

8851
05:55:16,850 --> 05:55:15,058
tattooed on my brain Ross because I've

8852
05:55:18,650 --> 05:55:16,860
seen that intro so many times I've

8853
05:55:21,470 --> 05:55:18,660
edited it it's our most it's one of our

8854
05:55:23,570 --> 05:55:21,480
most if not our most popular videos

8855
05:55:25,190 --> 05:55:23,580
thank you for that it's been a year

8856
05:55:27,110 --> 05:55:25,200
since I've spoken to you last

8857
05:55:28,970 --> 05:55:27,120
you're an investigative journalist who

8858
05:55:30,470 --> 05:55:28,980
has who well you're going to talk about

8859
05:55:31,788 --> 05:55:30,480
what you're working on shortly but

8860
05:55:33,410 --> 05:55:31,798
anyway just wanted to introduce you all

8861
05:55:35,208 --> 05:55:33,420
and we'll

8862
05:55:36,288 --> 05:55:35,218
we'll kick it off with

8863
05:55:38,510 --> 05:55:36,298
with

8864
05:55:39,770 --> 05:55:38,520
hearing what Ross is up to and then I

8865
05:55:42,350 --> 05:55:39,780
want to hear from you all about the

8866
05:55:44,628 --> 05:55:42,360
contest and telling everyone about your

8867
05:55:46,250 --> 05:55:44,638
videos please

8868
05:55:48,470 --> 05:55:46,260
what am I up to

8869
05:55:50,868 --> 05:55:48,480
um I'm rewriting the back end of my book

8870
05:55:53,330 --> 05:55:50,878
in plain sight because there's a new

8871
05:55:56,770 --> 05:55:53,340
edition coming out in 2023

8872
05:56:00,410 --> 05:55:56,780
and so much has happened in the past um

8873
05:56:01,190 --> 05:56:00,420
what 18 to 21 months since I published

8874
05:56:03,948 --> 05:56:01,200
the book

8875
05:56:05,868 --> 05:56:03,958
that I uh I think it needs an update uh

8876
05:56:07,548 --> 05:56:05,878
in fact I was I was actually I was

8877
05:56:10,610 --> 05:56:07,558
getting quite pessimistic towards the

8878
05:56:12,470 --> 05:56:10,620
end of 2022 because I was thinking that

8879
05:56:14,990 --> 05:56:12,480
yes we're all going to get snowed

8880
05:56:17,208 --> 05:56:15,000
there's really no desire at all for any

8881
05:56:18,948 --> 05:56:17,218
kind of truthful disclosure about what

8882
05:56:20,930 --> 05:56:18,958
it is whatever it is that the US

8883
05:56:22,010 --> 05:56:20,940
government knows if anything about the

8884
05:56:24,830 --> 05:56:22,020
phenomenon

8885
05:56:26,990 --> 05:56:24,840
and then as I was going through just

8886
05:56:31,368 --> 05:56:27,000
starting to think about all the things

8887
05:56:35,270 --> 05:56:31,378
that have happened since kind of um

8888
05:56:37,070 --> 05:56:35,280
you know the 2020 period it's quite

8889
05:56:38,810 --> 05:56:37,080
amazing really I mean there's been a

8890
05:56:41,930 --> 05:56:38,820
huge number of developments that give me

8891
05:56:45,170 --> 05:56:41,940
cause for optimism and and also I mean

8892
05:56:48,048 --> 05:56:45,180
I'm so privileged I've I I I know Matt

8893
05:56:49,490 --> 05:56:48,058
so worker because I've actually started

8894
05:56:51,530 --> 05:56:49,500
trying to understand physics by

8895
05:56:54,830 --> 05:56:51,540
following following some of Matt's work

8896
05:56:56,628 --> 05:56:54,840
frankly and as a as a journalist who's

8897
05:56:59,810 --> 05:56:56,638
somewhat deficient in understanding

8898
05:57:01,310 --> 05:56:59,820
physics and Mathematics I uh I I take my

8899
05:57:02,990 --> 05:57:01,320
head off to you good sir because you've

8900
05:57:05,390 --> 05:57:03,000
been able to popularize the subject

8901
05:57:07,850 --> 05:57:05,400
matter that I keenly think I need to

8902
05:57:09,288 --> 05:57:07,860
understand and uh I'm kind of a fanboy

8903
05:57:11,510 --> 05:57:09,298
of yours so it's a real privilege to

8904
05:57:14,570 --> 05:57:11,520
meet you that's that's really wonderful

8905
05:57:18,530 --> 05:57:14,580
to hear um it's always nice to know that

8906
05:57:25,010 --> 05:57:20,930
yeah because you never know you know we

8907
05:57:27,708 --> 05:57:25,020
film in a a room staring at a camera

8908
05:57:29,750 --> 05:57:27,718
um there's no direct contact with anyone

8909
05:57:32,030 --> 05:57:29,760
that we're that I'm speaking to and so

8910
05:57:35,208 --> 05:57:32,040
hearing this sort of thing is

8911
05:57:36,890 --> 05:57:35,218
it's uplifting but even if not

8912
05:57:39,170 --> 05:57:36,900
do you still feel like you're having a

8913
05:57:41,090 --> 05:57:39,180
tremendous amount of fun

8914
05:57:42,410 --> 05:57:41,100
so for me at least like I'm having fun

8915
05:57:44,868 --> 05:57:42,420
right now I'm having fun whenever I

8916
05:57:47,270 --> 05:57:44,878
speak to guests like Ross solo Matt solo

8917
05:57:49,190 --> 05:57:47,280
even if it wasn't seen by many people I

8918
05:57:50,930 --> 05:57:49,200
wouldn't put it out and it's a

8919
05:57:54,708 --> 05:57:50,940
ridiculous frequently but thing to do is

8920
05:57:57,350 --> 05:57:54,718
a job and I'm grateful to be able to

8921
05:57:59,930 --> 05:57:57,360
very much just to follow curiosity

8922
05:58:02,628 --> 05:57:59,940
professionally

8923
05:58:05,150 --> 05:58:02,638
Ross you also have a podcast

8924
05:58:08,090 --> 05:58:05,160
can you state the name I do yes myself

8925
05:58:10,490 --> 05:58:08,100
and Bryce zabel my colleague in crime

8926
05:58:13,190 --> 05:58:10,500
Bryce is based in Los Angeles and he's a

8927
05:58:15,708 --> 05:58:13,200
a very well respected Hollywood uh

8928
05:58:18,410 --> 05:58:15,718
producer and screenwriter he's also

8929
05:58:23,750 --> 05:58:18,420
responsible for the Dark Skies series

8930
05:58:27,230 --> 05:58:23,760
and um uh he and I do a podcast called

8931
05:58:30,410 --> 05:58:27,240
need to know which is I guess an attempt

8932
05:58:33,048 --> 05:58:30,420
at a journalistic analysis uh news

8933
05:58:34,390 --> 05:58:33,058
program that looks at the phenomenon in

8934
05:58:37,208 --> 05:58:34,400
his

8935
05:58:40,250 --> 05:58:37,218
journalistically uh open eyed open

8936
05:58:43,368 --> 05:58:40,260
open-minded way as possible

8937
05:58:45,708 --> 05:58:43,378
um and uh it's uh I'm happy to say it's

8938
05:58:48,410 --> 05:58:45,718
thriving uh the the level of public

8939
05:58:51,170 --> 05:58:48,420
interest at the moment in the in the

8940
05:58:53,990 --> 05:58:51,180
phenomenon of uaps if there is such a

8941
05:58:58,070 --> 05:58:54,000
term this um is absolutely amazing I I

8942
05:59:00,170 --> 05:58:58,080
have to admit to Kurt I I um I almost

8943
05:59:03,830 --> 05:59:00,180
missed your invitation to this event

8944
05:59:05,930 --> 05:59:03,840
because I have had so many emails and

8945
05:59:08,448 --> 05:59:05,940
messages from people from all over the

8946
05:59:10,788 --> 05:59:08,458
world who who seem to think that this

8947
05:59:12,770 --> 05:59:10,798
journalist in Australia has incredible

8948
05:59:15,470 --> 05:59:12,780
resources to be able to investigate

8949
05:59:18,590 --> 05:59:15,480
stuff and people are sending the

8950
05:59:21,470 --> 05:59:18,600
original documents and witness accounts

8951
05:59:23,448 --> 05:59:21,480
and statements and uh it's it's all a

8952
05:59:27,350 --> 05:59:23,458
bit overwhelming but also it's it's it's

8953
05:59:28,610 --> 05:59:27,360
flattering because what it recognizes is

8954
05:59:30,650 --> 05:59:28,620
something that I think is really

8955
05:59:35,330 --> 05:59:30,660
deficient at the moment which is that

8956
05:59:39,110 --> 05:59:35,340
there is a a real shortage of objective

8957
05:59:41,030 --> 05:59:39,120
analytical news media engaging with what

8958
05:59:44,208 --> 05:59:41,040
I think is the biggest story of the

8959
05:59:46,128 --> 05:59:44,218
moment I mean I I'm I'm excited by

8960
05:59:49,548 --> 05:59:46,138
what's going on in modern science right

8961
05:59:51,110 --> 05:59:49,558
now I I love I'm just such a fan of the

8962
05:59:54,288 --> 05:59:51,120
stuff coming out of the James Webb

8963
05:59:56,690 --> 05:59:54,298
Telescope and um it's it's so exciting

8964
05:59:58,670 --> 05:59:56,700
to see this Cutting Edge technology

8965
06:00:01,850 --> 05:59:58,680
revealing stuff about the universe that

8966
06:00:04,670 --> 06:00:01,860
we don't know and how could people not

8967
06:00:07,330 --> 06:00:04,680
be engaged in a similar in a similar way

8968
06:00:10,070 --> 06:00:07,340
with what's being

8969
06:00:12,230 --> 06:00:10,080
somewhat begrudgingly admitted by the

8970
06:00:14,448 --> 06:00:12,240
United States government and to elicit

8971
06:00:16,788 --> 06:00:14,458
agree by other governments that there is

8972
06:00:18,410 --> 06:00:16,798
a phenomenon a mystery art there that

8973
06:00:20,330 --> 06:00:18,420
they don't understand

8974
06:00:22,670 --> 06:00:20,340
and none of us are saying it's little

8975
06:00:24,890 --> 06:00:22,680
green aliens despite what Mr Jenkins of

8976
06:00:27,288 --> 06:00:24,900
the Wall Street Journal or Mr Barnes of

8977
06:00:29,030 --> 06:00:27,298
the New York Times say frankly we just

8978
06:00:31,010 --> 06:00:29,040
don't know that there's a there's a

8979
06:00:33,288 --> 06:00:31,020
phenomenon which is a genuine mystery

8980
06:00:35,570 --> 06:00:33,298
that is confounding the best brains in

8981
06:00:38,030 --> 06:00:35,580
the in the Pentagon and the intelligence

8982
06:00:40,730 --> 06:00:38,040
community and I can tell you it's also

8983
06:00:42,470 --> 06:00:40,740
befuddling people in our um intelligence

8984
06:00:44,030 --> 06:00:42,480
services and defense community in

8985
06:00:46,670 --> 06:00:44,040
Australia even though they don't want to

8986
06:00:49,010 --> 06:00:46,680
talk about it and um it's it's

8987
06:00:51,470 --> 06:00:49,020
fascinating because

8988
06:00:53,690 --> 06:00:51,480
there is something out there that is

8989
06:00:55,788 --> 06:00:53,700
worthy of investigation and ultimately

8990
06:00:58,490 --> 06:00:55,798
at the heart of it good science as we

8991
06:01:00,590 --> 06:00:58,500
all know is about being willing to

8992
06:01:03,288 --> 06:01:00,600
engage with

8993
06:01:07,730 --> 06:01:03,298
the unknown and try and understand it

8994
06:01:10,730 --> 06:01:07,740
and uh I I think 2023 promises to be

8995
06:01:13,010 --> 06:01:10,740
quite an exciting year

8996
06:01:15,470 --> 06:01:13,020
speaking of the unknown these the

8997
06:01:18,470 --> 06:01:15,480
following threes are Taylor and Sorensen

8998
06:01:20,090 --> 06:01:18,480
and nikolaj they may be unknown to the

8999
06:01:21,948 --> 06:01:20,100
majority of the people here and they

9000
06:01:23,690 --> 06:01:21,958
shouldn't be so please I'm going to get

9001
06:01:26,150 --> 06:01:23,700
you all to introduce yourselves and give

9002
06:01:27,890 --> 06:01:26,160
a bit a brief overview as to what your

9003
06:01:29,270 --> 06:01:27,900
submission to the contest was and then

9004
06:01:32,150 --> 06:01:29,280
if you have any questions for Matt or

9005
06:01:34,670 --> 06:01:32,160
Ross please please ask so Tyler starting

9006
06:01:37,430 --> 06:01:34,680
with you then Sorensen then nikolaj and

9007
06:01:43,690 --> 06:01:39,530
uh yeah thank you for having me on here

9008
06:01:46,850 --> 06:01:43,700
today uh my submission was about

9009
06:01:49,368 --> 06:01:46,860
what uh a Theory of Everything Is

9010
06:01:50,510 --> 06:01:49,378
essentially and what the process is like

9011
06:01:53,570 --> 06:01:50,520
of

9012
06:01:56,570 --> 06:01:53,580
Pro developing one and proposing one and

9013
06:01:59,090 --> 06:01:56,580
it's quite a unique uh experience and it

9014
06:02:02,270 --> 06:01:59,100
leads to a lot of lessons that I don't

9015
06:02:04,670 --> 06:02:02,280
think can really be uh

9016
06:02:08,570 --> 06:02:04,680
learned outside of that process so that

9017
06:02:10,010 --> 06:02:08,580
was what my uh my entry primarily

9018
06:02:11,628 --> 06:02:10,020
focused on

9019
06:02:13,850 --> 06:02:11,638
it was called theories of everything a

9020
06:02:15,890 --> 06:02:13,860
how-to guide

9021
06:02:17,208 --> 06:02:15,900
okay so I'll place that again in the

9022
06:02:19,010 --> 06:02:17,218
description I'll try and pin it well

9023
06:02:23,628 --> 06:02:19,020
right now in Sorensen

9024
06:02:26,448 --> 06:02:23,638
hello can you hear me yes okay and my

9025
06:02:29,150 --> 06:02:26,458
submission is called time independent

9026
06:02:33,070 --> 06:02:29,160
solution to a electron orientation

9027
06:02:35,868 --> 06:02:33,080
and it starts I started by

9028
06:02:37,310 --> 06:02:35,878
surviving some a little round

9029
06:02:41,150 --> 06:02:37,320
questions

9030
06:02:43,810 --> 06:02:41,160
and and seeing that instead of using a

9031
06:02:47,208 --> 06:02:43,820
gate condition you can define a electric

9032
06:02:51,708 --> 06:02:47,218
time component

9033
06:02:53,750 --> 06:02:51,718
and then uh yeah and then this when you

9034
06:02:56,090 --> 06:02:53,760
use this time command you get some

9035
06:02:59,810 --> 06:02:56,100
Quantum like effects

9036
06:03:02,288 --> 06:02:59,820
in electrical management and then I

9037
06:03:05,570 --> 06:03:02,298
could be aware ladder and

9038
06:03:07,490 --> 06:03:05,580
find some time independent solutions for

9039
06:03:10,788 --> 06:03:07,500
for this

9040
06:03:18,110 --> 06:03:12,590
thank you

9041
06:03:19,548 --> 06:03:18,120
I'm mispronouncing your name and if I

9042
06:03:22,310 --> 06:03:19,558
don't think I've met any of you Tyler

9043
06:03:30,890 --> 06:03:22,320
we've spoken but I haven't met you so

9044
06:03:36,170 --> 06:03:33,410
great great Nikolai

9045
06:03:38,150 --> 06:03:36,180
yeah well I'm from Denmark so it's

9046
06:03:41,890 --> 06:03:38,160
pronounced Naval life but it's it's not

9047
06:03:47,030 --> 06:03:44,990
and well thank you for always it's an

9048
06:03:50,048 --> 06:03:47,040
excellent idea to this could thank you a

9049
06:03:53,570 --> 06:03:50,058
lot well I'm I'm

9050
06:03:57,350 --> 06:03:53,580
uh I've done something with different uh

9051
06:04:01,430 --> 06:03:57,360
I've tried to sketch a model for

9052
06:04:03,890 --> 06:04:01,440
fundamental nature reality but it's uh

9053
06:04:05,590 --> 06:04:03,900
well it's an it's a physical idealistic

9054
06:04:08,390 --> 06:04:05,600
model it's

9055
06:04:12,170 --> 06:04:08,400
it has some similarities with another

9056
06:04:15,890 --> 06:04:12,180
Castro's use I think and it's based on a

9057
06:04:19,970 --> 06:04:15,900
paper that was published last year and

9058
06:04:24,730 --> 06:04:19,980
and I have uh I've taken some elements

9059
06:04:28,430 --> 06:04:24,740
from a dentist Mystic called Martino's

9060
06:04:31,670 --> 06:04:28,440
he has a presented a comprehensive

9061
06:04:34,690 --> 06:04:31,680
metaphysical system and I take some core

9062
06:04:38,650 --> 06:04:34,700
aspects of his system and

9063
06:04:41,510 --> 06:04:38,660
uh well translated them into

9064
06:04:43,548 --> 06:04:41,520
academic philosophical language one

9065
06:04:46,070 --> 06:04:43,558
might say in order to

9066
06:04:47,090 --> 06:04:46,080
uh to sketch this

9067
06:04:50,990 --> 06:04:47,100
um

9068
06:04:54,350 --> 06:04:51,000
this uh model for the fundamental nature

9069
06:04:56,090 --> 06:04:54,360
of reality it's a it's a triadic model

9070
06:05:00,470 --> 06:04:56,100
so it's

9071
06:05:01,368 --> 06:05:00,480
the basic concept is that nature is

9072
06:05:07,150 --> 06:05:01,378
um

9073
06:05:10,610 --> 06:05:07,160
it's a triadic structure that kind of

9074
06:05:11,690 --> 06:05:10,620
generates Consciousness and experience

9075
06:05:15,170 --> 06:05:11,700
so

9076
06:05:17,868 --> 06:05:15,180
yeah well Matt has to get going and Matt

9077
06:05:19,310 --> 06:05:17,878
like it's I thank you for coming on at

9078
06:05:21,110 --> 06:05:19,320
spending again like your precious time

9079
06:05:23,810 --> 06:05:21,120
your holiday time thank you for coming

9080
06:05:27,410 --> 06:05:23,820
on twice on toll inventing reality is an

9081
06:05:28,910 --> 06:05:27,420
Indiegogo which is just read the

9082
06:05:31,610 --> 06:05:28,920
description of it I'm going to briefly

9083
06:05:33,770 --> 06:05:31,620
read it what is reality reality has

9084
06:05:34,788 --> 06:05:33,780
proved strange beyond our intuitions and

9085
06:05:37,610 --> 06:05:34,798
exciting

9086
06:05:38,510 --> 06:05:37,620
New Vision is emerging is reductionism

9087
06:05:40,250 --> 06:05:38,520
dead

9088
06:05:42,770 --> 06:05:40,260
can physics ever hope to find ground

9089
06:05:46,548 --> 06:05:42,780
truth the toe themes if you're

9090
06:05:48,708 --> 06:05:46,558
interested in that then go to

9091
06:05:50,330 --> 06:05:48,718
go to this the link hold on just this

9092
06:05:52,730 --> 06:05:50,340
link right here which will be in the

9093
06:05:55,670 --> 06:05:52,740
description and check out Matt's

9094
06:05:57,110 --> 06:05:55,680
Indiegogo as well as PBS space time and

9095
06:05:58,970 --> 06:05:57,120
Matt do you have any parting words and

9096
06:06:00,708 --> 06:05:58,980
if anyone has a quick question for Matt

9097
06:06:03,170 --> 06:06:00,718
that he can answer in 30 seconds then

9098
06:06:06,530 --> 06:06:03,180
please ask it now

9099
06:06:08,330 --> 06:06:06,540
else Matt just say goodbye

9100
06:06:10,128 --> 06:06:08,340
um no parting words except thank you

9101
06:06:13,910 --> 06:06:10,138
Kurt it's really good to be here again

9102
06:06:15,048 --> 06:06:13,920
uh I I hope we can make it make it

9103
06:06:15,890 --> 06:06:15,058
regular

9104
06:06:17,570 --> 06:06:15,900
um

9105
06:06:18,948 --> 06:06:17,580
and maybe find a way to get you on space

9106
06:06:20,990 --> 06:06:18,958
so I don't know we don't do that sort of

9107
06:06:22,490 --> 06:06:21,000
thing but maybe we should maybe we

9108
06:06:24,770 --> 06:06:22,500
should mix it up

9109
06:06:26,868 --> 06:06:24,780
um yeah you're gonna hold you to that we

9110
06:06:30,770 --> 06:06:26,878
have we we have the same goal

9111
06:06:32,510 --> 06:06:30,780
um so I appreciate the chance to join

9112
06:06:35,090 --> 06:06:32,520
the conversation the the incredible

9113
06:06:38,390 --> 06:06:35,100
conversation that you have curated among

9114
06:06:40,010 --> 06:06:38,400
all these uh all these great minds

9115
06:06:44,448 --> 06:06:40,020
um

9116
06:06:51,770 --> 06:06:46,970
okay take care man yeah man all right

9117
06:06:56,090 --> 06:06:53,150
Okay Ross

9118
06:06:58,610 --> 06:06:56,100
Ross it's so good to see you it's it's

9119
06:07:00,650 --> 06:06:58,620
like honestly thank you again thank you

9120
06:07:02,090 --> 06:07:00,660
too for for spending such time with me I

9121
06:07:05,270 --> 06:07:02,100
know that you said this is

9122
06:07:07,128 --> 06:07:05,280
precious family time and I imagine I I

9123
06:07:08,868 --> 06:07:07,138
can imagine just how much

9124
06:07:10,548 --> 06:07:08,878
stressed you're under and how many

9125
06:07:14,208 --> 06:07:10,558
projects you're juggling with atop

9126
06:07:16,310 --> 06:07:14,218
family commitments were you able to get

9127
06:07:19,128 --> 06:07:16,320
any breathing room so far over the

9128
06:07:20,448 --> 06:07:19,138
course of the past 10 days it's been a

9129
06:07:22,368 --> 06:07:20,458
beautiful Break

9130
06:07:23,750 --> 06:07:22,378
um it's funny actually because one of

9131
06:07:26,868 --> 06:07:23,760
the things that

9132
06:07:30,010 --> 06:07:26,878
um I don't know about you guys you are

9133
06:07:32,690 --> 06:07:30,020
the people that when I'm in done time

9134
06:07:36,230 --> 06:07:32,700
especially when I'm doing things like um

9135
06:07:37,610 --> 06:07:36,240
I I live on a little farm and I

9136
06:07:38,750 --> 06:07:37,620
constantly have to mow it because all

9137
06:07:40,970 --> 06:07:38,760
it's doing at the moment here in

9138
06:07:43,670 --> 06:07:40,980
Australia is raining and lots of

9139
06:07:46,310 --> 06:07:43,680
sunshine and so we have days of rain and

9140
06:07:48,230 --> 06:07:46,320
days of sunshine and my grass is just

9141
06:07:51,708 --> 06:07:48,240
growing constantly so for me it's a

9142
06:07:53,750 --> 06:07:51,718
constant battle against Grass and um I'm

9143
06:07:55,850 --> 06:07:53,760
um I I think somebody could do a

9144
06:07:57,890 --> 06:07:55,860
scientific courtesy and develop grass

9145
06:07:59,330 --> 06:07:57,900
that grows to a certain length and stops

9146
06:08:02,090 --> 06:07:59,340
growing then the rest of us don't have

9147
06:08:03,890 --> 06:08:02,100
to mow it anymore but when I'm doing my

9148
06:08:06,590 --> 06:08:03,900
mowing I find I do some of my best

9149
06:08:08,750 --> 06:08:06,600
thinking and it's that it's that idea

9150
06:08:13,070 --> 06:08:08,760
that by doing a task that has become so

9151
06:08:14,330 --> 06:08:13,080
autonomic so so you know something that

9152
06:08:16,910 --> 06:08:14,340
you don't even think about when you're

9153
06:08:19,788 --> 06:08:16,920
doing it you start thinking about big

9154
06:08:21,890 --> 06:08:19,798
things and um I love this time of year

9155
06:08:23,570 --> 06:08:21,900
because it's a genuinely creative time

9156
06:08:26,090 --> 06:08:23,580
of the year the rest of the year you're

9157
06:08:28,788 --> 06:08:26,100
so busy that you don't really get time

9158
06:08:30,048 --> 06:08:28,798
to stop and think and be creative and

9159
06:08:31,490 --> 06:08:30,058
I'm intrigued it's one of the things

9160
06:08:34,730 --> 06:08:31,500
I've actually been thinking of writing a

9161
06:08:38,690 --> 06:08:34,740
book about this is the number of

9162
06:08:41,690 --> 06:08:38,700
people that I've been talking to in the

9163
06:08:44,628 --> 06:08:41,700
the mystery behind the phenomenon

9164
06:08:47,150 --> 06:08:44,638
the UAP phenomenon the sort of the weird

9165
06:08:48,350 --> 06:08:47,160
paranormal world of people saying that

9166
06:08:51,350 --> 06:08:48,360
they've had these extraordinary

9167
06:08:54,170 --> 06:08:51,360
experiences the number of times people

9168
06:08:56,208 --> 06:08:54,180
say to me they've had downloads

9169
06:08:58,850 --> 06:08:56,218
where they literally all of a sudden

9170
06:09:00,770 --> 06:08:58,860
wake up and um and they've got these

9171
06:09:03,230 --> 06:09:00,780
incredible ideas in their head and then

9172
06:09:06,410 --> 06:09:03,240
I started researching it recently and I

9173
06:09:09,708 --> 06:09:06,420
was fascinated to read that um James

9174
06:09:13,128 --> 06:09:09,718
Crick the the the the person who

9175
06:09:15,470 --> 06:09:13,138
conceived the shape of the DNA helix

9176
06:09:18,110 --> 06:09:15,480
um he said that the whole idea of the

9177
06:09:20,090 --> 06:09:18,120
shape of DNA came to him in a dream

9178
06:09:23,270 --> 06:09:20,100
and then I started Googling and and

9179
06:09:25,190 --> 06:09:23,280
pulling out books off my shelf and it

9180
06:09:26,750 --> 06:09:25,200
really is it's fascinating how many

9181
06:09:28,788 --> 06:09:26,760
scientists

9182
06:09:30,890 --> 06:09:28,798
describe that the moment of great

9183
06:09:33,830 --> 06:09:30,900
inspiration that they had where they

9184
06:09:36,830 --> 06:09:33,840
they suddenly realized an idea or or

9185
06:09:39,350 --> 06:09:36,840
they suddenly be able to crystallize a

9186
06:09:42,410 --> 06:09:39,360
concept in their brain and they describe

9187
06:09:44,810 --> 06:09:42,420
being in a dream state or um not really

9188
06:09:47,570 --> 06:09:44,820
focusing in the intense way that we do

9189
06:09:50,510 --> 06:09:47,580
focus when we focus on things to try and

9190
06:09:52,250 --> 06:09:50,520
study and I just wonder sometimes

9191
06:09:53,470 --> 06:09:52,260
whether there's some aspect of the brain

9192
06:09:55,910 --> 06:09:53,480
that

9193
06:09:58,490 --> 06:09:55,920
allows us to work on things in the

9194
06:10:00,590 --> 06:09:58,500
background that we haven't yet described

9195
06:10:02,330 --> 06:10:00,600
because that's my chart of the year I I

9196
06:10:04,970 --> 06:10:02,340
love this time of the year because it's

9197
06:10:06,830 --> 06:10:04,980
a creative time of the year ideas start

9198
06:10:09,708 --> 06:10:06,840
bobbing into my head about what my next

9199
06:10:11,628 --> 06:10:09,718
book might be or because I'm a an

9200
06:10:14,090 --> 06:10:11,638
investigative journalist for a TV show

9201
06:10:17,208 --> 06:10:14,100
here in Australia I I also think about

9202
06:10:20,150 --> 06:10:17,218
what what the next story should be

9203
06:10:21,948 --> 06:10:20,160
and uh there's a nervous but um

9204
06:10:25,010 --> 06:10:21,958
interested part of me that's really

9205
06:10:27,890 --> 06:10:25,020
interested in the um the cultural Wars

9206
06:10:31,670 --> 06:10:27,900
right now I'm I'm fascinated by the war

9207
06:10:34,190 --> 06:10:31,680
on woke uh the fact that um it's

9208
06:10:37,670 --> 06:10:34,200
becoming a heresy now to

9209
06:10:40,310 --> 06:10:37,680
um to uh to to use certain language you

9210
06:10:42,650 --> 06:10:40,320
know you the the slightly Marxist

9211
06:10:46,010 --> 06:10:42,660
culture wars that dictate what language

9212
06:10:49,730 --> 06:10:46,020
we will use to describe gender and uh

9213
06:10:51,470 --> 06:10:49,740
whilst I'm absolutely fulsome advocate

9214
06:10:54,048 --> 06:10:51,480
of friends of mine who've decided to

9215
06:10:57,948 --> 06:10:54,058
transition I don't like the way language

9216
06:10:59,448 --> 06:10:57,958
is being appropriated and uh uh I think

9217
06:11:01,128 --> 06:10:59,458
they must write a book at it booking it

9218
06:11:03,530 --> 06:11:01,138
somewhere is there something different

9219
06:11:06,470 --> 06:11:03,540
about that is there something there that

9220
06:11:09,110 --> 06:11:06,480
strikes you as

9221
06:11:10,670 --> 06:11:09,120
um I I think um and again I'm actually

9222
06:11:12,610 --> 06:11:10,680
nervous even discussing this really

9223
06:11:15,948 --> 06:11:12,620
because I haven't done my homework

9224
06:11:18,048 --> 06:11:15,958
yeah but uh no and I I think that

9225
06:11:21,948 --> 06:11:18,058
universally around the world what we're

9226
06:11:23,868 --> 06:11:21,958
seeing is an attempt by

9227
06:12:19,250 --> 06:11:23,878
a

9228
06:12:21,890 --> 06:12:19,260
first music video we got the opportunity

9229
06:12:25,250 --> 06:12:21,900
to um to interview her about her

9230
06:12:27,288 --> 06:12:25,260
transition and and why she um she

9231
06:12:29,868 --> 06:12:27,298
decided that she was a woman and the uh

9232
06:12:31,850 --> 06:12:29,878
the German Austrian authorities allowed

9233
06:12:35,570 --> 06:12:31,860
us to interview her psychiatrists and

9234
06:12:38,330 --> 06:12:35,580
the the people who'd made the um uh the

9235
06:12:40,670 --> 06:12:38,340
decision that she should be the youngest

9236
06:12:42,590 --> 06:12:40,680
person ever to be allowed to undergo the

9237
06:12:44,628 --> 06:12:42,600
hormone therapy and then eventually the

9238
06:12:46,670 --> 06:12:44,638
surgery and

9239
06:12:48,770 --> 06:12:46,680
um I love the fact that she's now I

9240
06:12:50,750 --> 06:12:48,780
think performing in Los Angeles and

9241
06:12:53,448 --> 06:12:50,760
doing a very successful career as a

9242
06:12:55,430 --> 06:12:53,458
beautiful young woman so I guess I'm

9243
06:12:58,310 --> 06:12:55,440
probably more open-minded than a lot of

9244
06:13:00,948 --> 06:12:58,320
people about gender but at the same time

9245
06:13:03,530 --> 06:13:00,958
I don't like the way that

9246
06:13:05,690 --> 06:13:03,540
the cultural Wars have appropriated

9247
06:13:07,788 --> 06:13:05,700
things and you're not allowed to raise

9248
06:13:10,548 --> 06:13:07,798
things I don't like the way JK Rowling

9249
06:13:12,650 --> 06:13:10,558
was treated for saying what she said and

9250
06:13:16,070 --> 06:13:12,660
she wrote a beautiful 3000 word essay

9251
06:13:17,830 --> 06:13:16,080
and got vilified for um uh essentially

9252
06:13:21,708 --> 06:13:17,840
standing up for

9253
06:13:23,990 --> 06:13:21,718
people who who challenged cultural

9254
06:13:26,690 --> 06:13:24,000
imperatives about what constitutes

9255
06:13:29,390 --> 06:13:26,700
gender and I think there's a discussion

9256
06:13:32,090 --> 06:13:29,400
there that needs to be had maybe I'm

9257
06:13:34,850 --> 06:13:32,100
just Reckless maybe I maybe I just

9258
06:13:37,490 --> 06:13:34,860
didn't get attracted to contrarian areas

9259
06:13:39,830 --> 06:13:37,500
that such as uaps that people shouldn't

9260
06:13:42,548 --> 06:13:39,840
go near you know us media should do as

9261
06:13:46,070 --> 06:13:42,558
we're told and not go into these areas

9262
06:13:49,128 --> 06:13:46,080
of dangerous journalism where you get

9263
06:13:51,590 --> 06:13:49,138
into areas that are sensitive and taboo

9264
06:13:54,288 --> 06:13:51,600
well you're in an already dangerous at

9265
06:13:56,330 --> 06:13:54,298
least sensitive at least marketable area

9266
06:13:58,448 --> 06:13:56,340
which is UFOs

9267
06:14:00,830 --> 06:13:58,458
and it shouldn't be but

9268
06:14:02,990 --> 06:14:00,840
one of the things I've noticed this year

9269
06:14:04,850 --> 06:14:03,000
by the way that one of the things I've

9270
06:14:07,310 --> 06:14:04,860
noticed this year that has really scared

9271
06:14:09,350 --> 06:14:07,320
me a little is the

9272
06:14:13,788 --> 06:14:09,360
the nastiness that is starting to

9273
06:14:16,788 --> 06:14:13,798
develop on social media uh

9274
06:14:19,128 --> 06:14:16,798
around anybody that you know I've taken

9275
06:14:21,110 --> 06:14:19,138
quite a public position in saying as I

9276
06:14:23,930 --> 06:14:21,120
constantly do that the phenomenon is

9277
06:14:26,628 --> 06:14:23,940
real that whatever it is it's a genuine

9278
06:14:29,448 --> 06:14:26,638
mystery acknowledged us so you feel like

9279
06:14:31,070 --> 06:14:29,458
it's gotten nastier I feel like it's

9280
06:14:33,730 --> 06:14:31,080
gotten more welcoming and more

9281
06:14:33,740 --> 06:14:37,330
I

9282
06:14:43,730 --> 06:14:40,430
suspect targeted troll campaigns you

9283
06:14:45,350 --> 06:14:43,740
know um uh there's a

9284
06:14:46,490 --> 06:14:45,360
um somebody out there doesn't like

9285
06:14:48,770 --> 06:14:46,500
people

9286
06:14:51,048 --> 06:14:48,780
like me rocking the boat and asking

9287
06:14:53,750 --> 06:14:51,058
questions about the phenomenon and um

9288
06:14:55,730 --> 06:14:53,760
there are a number of uh people who

9289
06:14:59,090 --> 06:14:55,740
basically made up their work to try and

9290
06:15:01,490 --> 06:14:59,100
pull down people who Express a view

9291
06:15:04,970 --> 06:15:01,500
that's opposite to the um

9292
06:15:08,090 --> 06:15:04,980
to the uh the accepted reality and uh I

9293
06:15:09,708 --> 06:15:08,100
I you know the bottom line is um I I

9294
06:15:13,430 --> 06:15:09,718
think we should ground our

9295
06:15:15,490 --> 06:15:13,440
investigations in solid science

9296
06:15:18,288 --> 06:15:15,500
um but then

9297
06:15:20,810 --> 06:15:18,298
just hold on to that thought Ross sorry

9298
06:15:23,690 --> 06:15:20,820
because I I rudely am having Tyler and

9299
06:15:24,948 --> 06:15:23,700
Nikolai and Nikolai sorry and and nud if

9300
06:15:26,628 --> 06:15:24,958
I'm even pronouncing that correctly

9301
06:15:28,490 --> 06:15:26,638
sorry Sauron sin I'll at least say it

9302
06:15:30,048 --> 06:15:28,500
which I can moderately or at least

9303
06:15:31,850 --> 06:15:30,058
passively pronounce

9304
06:15:33,048 --> 06:15:31,860
I'm I'm having you all here and and

9305
06:15:35,090 --> 06:15:33,058
you're probably wondering like well can

9306
06:15:37,788 --> 06:15:35,100
I come in do I have a question can I say

9307
06:15:39,410 --> 06:15:37,798
something so just so you know there's

9308
06:15:40,970 --> 06:15:39,420
only about two minutes left for for you

9309
06:15:43,430 --> 06:15:40,980
all before I have to let in other people

9310
06:15:46,070 --> 06:15:43,440
and actually I have to go on a walking

9311
06:15:48,110 --> 06:15:46,080
break because my legs are just so stiff

9312
06:15:50,208 --> 06:15:48,120
my neck as well

9313
06:15:55,070 --> 06:15:50,218
but if you all have any questions for

9314
06:15:56,930 --> 06:15:55,080
Ross then please like please do ask

9315
06:16:00,230 --> 06:15:56,940
okay I have a question

9316
06:16:02,628 --> 06:16:00,240
have you seen that a few weeks ago there

9317
06:16:04,430 --> 06:16:02,638
was a easy girl who make a YouTube

9318
06:16:06,490 --> 06:16:04,440
channel

9319
06:16:09,350 --> 06:16:06,500
can you repeat that once once more yes

9320
06:16:12,350 --> 06:16:09,360
uh I ask you if you have seen that two

9321
06:16:14,390 --> 06:16:12,360
weeks ago there was a

9322
06:16:16,310 --> 06:16:14,400
girl who made a

9323
06:16:18,708 --> 06:16:16,320
Channel

9324
06:16:21,530 --> 06:16:18,718
an E.T girl what she was claiming to be

9325
06:16:24,650 --> 06:16:21,540
alien was she yes

9326
06:16:26,628 --> 06:16:24,660
I mean had we proved that I mean this is

9327
06:16:28,850 --> 06:16:26,638
the I care out I'll tell you how my

9328
06:16:30,890 --> 06:16:28,860
brain works not when I get a message

9329
06:16:34,190 --> 06:16:30,900
like that I've had people contact me who

9330
06:16:37,010 --> 06:16:34,200
claim to be alien and I'm quite ruthless

9331
06:16:38,930 --> 06:16:37,020
with them you know I I I'm not taking

9332
06:16:41,090 --> 06:16:38,940
the piss with them but at the same time

9333
06:16:43,430 --> 06:16:41,100
I I expect people to be able to provide

9334
06:16:48,830 --> 06:16:43,440
evidence before I even engage

9335
06:16:50,510 --> 06:16:48,840
and um uh for example uh there's a um

9336
06:16:51,948 --> 06:16:50,520
while I went I won't cite this because

9337
06:16:53,330 --> 06:16:51,958
it's probably a bit dangerous but no I

9338
06:16:55,670 --> 06:16:53,340
mean I've I've been approached on

9339
06:16:57,830 --> 06:16:55,680
multiple occasions by people who purport

9340
06:17:01,910 --> 06:16:57,840
to be speaking on behalf of non-human

9341
06:17:03,890 --> 06:17:01,920
intelligence and I say great fantastic

9342
06:17:05,990 --> 06:17:03,900
um provide me with some evidence of that

9343
06:17:09,110 --> 06:17:06,000
you know I'm not willing to engage

9344
06:17:11,690 --> 06:17:09,120
because until I I know that you are who

9345
06:17:14,390 --> 06:17:11,700
you say you are and in the same way that

9346
06:17:16,850 --> 06:17:14,400
scientists verify academic credentials

9347
06:17:18,530 --> 06:17:16,860
before they make a an assessment about

9348
06:17:21,230 --> 06:17:18,540
the validity of Assessments that people

9349
06:17:22,910 --> 06:17:21,240
make journalists have to look into the

9350
06:17:23,810 --> 06:17:22,920
provenance of

9351
06:17:27,170 --> 06:17:23,820
um

9352
06:17:29,750 --> 06:17:27,180
claims made by somebody and I mean I'm

9353
06:17:31,730 --> 06:17:29,760
fascinated for example

9354
06:17:33,890 --> 06:17:31,740
um there's a chap called Santos who's a

9355
06:17:35,990 --> 06:17:33,900
politician in the United States who's in

9356
06:17:38,390 --> 06:17:36,000
terrible trouble at the moment because

9357
06:17:40,670 --> 06:17:38,400
he's been fibbing about his um his

9358
06:17:42,890 --> 06:17:40,680
background and he's lied egregiously

9359
06:17:45,288 --> 06:17:42,900
about his academic qualifications his

9360
06:17:48,590 --> 06:17:45,298
work experience and even whether his

9361
06:17:50,208 --> 06:17:48,600
poor mother died of cancer and the

9362
06:17:52,310 --> 06:17:50,218
incredible thing is is that this is a

9363
06:17:55,250 --> 06:17:52,320
person who's made it into the Congress

9364
06:17:57,590 --> 06:17:55,260
no less and in all the verification

9365
06:17:59,390 --> 06:17:57,600
procedures that go on in the world you

9366
06:18:01,730 --> 06:17:59,400
would think that before somebody is

9367
06:18:03,350 --> 06:18:01,740
allowed to become a member of the

9368
06:18:05,090 --> 06:18:03,360
Congress of the United States you

9369
06:18:06,650 --> 06:18:05,100
actually verify their background and

9370
06:18:09,708 --> 06:18:06,660
make sure that they are who they say

9371
06:18:12,410 --> 06:18:09,718
they are and um in the same way I think

9372
06:18:14,930 --> 06:18:12,420
one of the things that I recognize as a

9373
06:18:19,730 --> 06:18:14,940
problem in the study of the phenomenon

9374
06:18:23,030 --> 06:18:19,740
of uaps UFOs is there are

9375
06:18:26,570 --> 06:18:23,040
so many people who are so credulous

9376
06:18:29,030 --> 06:18:26,580
um about certain things for example I

9377
06:18:31,490 --> 06:18:29,040
um I'll give you one example notice the

9378
06:18:33,948 --> 06:18:31,500
uh the Space Program uh people people

9379
06:18:36,410 --> 06:18:33,958
say there is a secret space program and

9380
06:18:38,990 --> 06:18:36,420
there are people like Corey good and

9381
06:18:40,750 --> 06:18:39,000
others who go around giving conferences

9382
06:18:44,390 --> 06:18:40,760
earning tens of thousands of dollars

9383
06:18:47,690 --> 06:18:44,400
claiming that they are people who've

9384
06:18:53,690 --> 06:18:47,700
fought for some kind of Intergalactic

9385
06:18:56,270 --> 06:18:53,700
um uh Army against other aliens and it's

9386
06:18:58,010 --> 06:18:56,280
all Preposterous in my view and I I've

9387
06:18:59,990 --> 06:18:58,020
basically said to people who've told me

9388
06:19:02,270 --> 06:19:00,000
about this and they say oh you know why

9389
06:19:04,070 --> 06:19:02,280
don't you why don't you engage with this

9390
06:19:06,708 --> 06:19:04,080
why don't you take it seriously and I

9391
06:19:10,010 --> 06:19:06,718
say well give me a good reason to do so

9392
06:19:13,430 --> 06:19:10,020
and and the bottom line is science

9393
06:19:15,350 --> 06:19:13,440
empirical science where you use data is

9394
06:19:16,850 --> 06:19:15,360
a really good starting point to make a

9395
06:19:19,128 --> 06:19:16,860
judgment as to whether or not something

9396
06:19:21,350 --> 06:19:19,138
should be engaged with so if somebody

9397
06:19:23,690 --> 06:19:21,360
contacts me as they have done saying

9398
06:19:25,548 --> 06:19:23,700
that they're alien I mean the Anjali

9399
06:19:27,470 --> 06:19:25,558
case there's a classic

9400
06:19:30,110 --> 06:19:27,480
um this is a woman who claimed to have

9401
06:19:35,208 --> 06:19:30,120
had an extraordinary experience where

9402
06:19:37,548 --> 06:19:35,218
she went into a hill knit aliens and um

9403
06:19:40,430 --> 06:19:37,558
and she claimed that there would be an

9404
06:19:42,410 --> 06:19:40,440
opportunity for the media and selected

9405
06:19:44,270 --> 06:19:42,420
Representatives I was on the list at one

9406
06:19:46,548 --> 06:19:44,280
stage to actually go and meet these

9407
06:19:50,628 --> 06:19:46,558
aliens and I was terribly excited but

9408
06:19:52,610 --> 06:19:50,638
very very very skeptical and not to

9409
06:19:56,150 --> 06:19:52,620
anyone's surprise at all

9410
06:19:59,270 --> 06:19:56,160
system went away and

9411
06:20:00,770 --> 06:19:59,280
no I didn't know about the uh the fact

9412
06:20:02,570 --> 06:20:00,780
that there's a woman who's purporting to

9413
06:20:05,150 --> 06:20:02,580
be an alien but it doesn't surprise me I

9414
06:20:05,990 --> 06:20:05,160
mean there are there are a lot of

9415
06:20:08,150 --> 06:20:06,000
um

9416
06:20:12,170 --> 06:20:08,160
there are a lot of odd

9417
06:20:14,090 --> 06:20:12,180
planes that are made but frankly I don't

9418
06:20:16,250 --> 06:20:14,100
think we even need to look at odd claims

9419
06:20:18,590 --> 06:20:16,260
we just need to accept the fact that the

9420
06:20:20,868 --> 06:20:18,600
prevailing acknowledged officially

9421
06:20:24,470 --> 06:20:20,878
acknowledged mystery is enough for all

9422
06:20:26,628 --> 06:20:24,480
of us we now are in a new paradigm we're

9423
06:20:29,330 --> 06:20:26,638
in a new paradigm where basically the

9424
06:20:30,890 --> 06:20:29,340
government of the United States and to a

9425
06:20:32,448 --> 06:20:30,900
lesser degree other governments like the

9426
06:20:33,770 --> 06:20:32,458
British government and I think the

9427
06:20:36,230 --> 06:20:33,780
French government's being pretty good

9428
06:20:39,770 --> 06:20:36,240
too and the Russians they're all

9429
06:20:42,530 --> 06:20:39,780
acknowledging in varying degrees in a

9430
06:20:45,530 --> 06:20:42,540
public way that there is a genuine

9431
06:20:47,868 --> 06:20:45,540
mystery involving a phenomenon that

9432
06:20:49,970 --> 06:20:47,878
manifests itself in the sky that is

9433
06:20:52,730 --> 06:20:49,980
apparently detectable on radar that does

9434
06:20:55,070 --> 06:20:52,740
weird things that are Beyond known human

9435
06:20:59,448 --> 06:20:55,080
science that appears to manifest itself

9436
06:21:02,208 --> 06:20:59,458
as as craft as technological objects and

9437
06:21:04,010 --> 06:21:02,218
I find that fascinating and I think it

9438
06:21:06,230 --> 06:21:04,020
should be investigated and for me that's

9439
06:21:07,670 --> 06:21:06,240
enough of a mystery I don't think we

9440
06:21:08,270 --> 06:21:07,680
need to

9441
06:21:10,730 --> 06:21:08,280
um

9442
06:21:13,250 --> 06:21:10,740
get too involved with people who make

9443
06:21:15,350 --> 06:21:13,260
claims that they can't substantiate

9444
06:21:18,288 --> 06:21:15,360
Ross

9445
06:21:20,628 --> 06:21:18,298
I have to go for five minutes at least

9446
06:21:22,788 --> 06:21:20,638
just a stretch and Tyler and Nikolai

9447
06:21:25,548 --> 06:21:22,798
like I I apologize that that you're all

9448
06:21:27,410 --> 06:21:25,558
just just sitting here and I I would

9449
06:21:29,150 --> 06:21:27,420
love to talk with you further on the toe

9450
06:21:30,830 --> 06:21:29,160
podcast at some point once I have a

9451
06:21:32,390 --> 06:21:30,840
chance to go into your theories no

9452
06:21:34,610 --> 06:21:32,400
promises please it may even take years

9453
06:21:37,910 --> 06:21:34,620
but for sure we'll talk

9454
06:21:40,730 --> 06:21:37,920
off air and and Tyler it's like a

9455
06:21:42,830 --> 06:21:40,740
pleasure to meet you man I I want

9456
06:21:45,410 --> 06:21:42,840
everyone to search Tyler

9457
06:21:49,070 --> 06:21:45,420
Goldstein and I'll leave the link in the

9458
06:21:50,810 --> 06:21:49,080
description Nikolai and Sorenson so if

9459
06:21:53,448 --> 06:21:50,820
you have any so please just parting

9460
06:21:55,788 --> 06:21:53,458
words Tyler Nikolai Sorensen before we

9461
06:21:57,410 --> 06:21:55,798
go on a mini break

9462
06:22:00,110 --> 06:21:57,420
impressive that you can manage this

9463
06:22:02,150 --> 06:22:00,120
because there's so many people lots of

9464
06:22:04,368 --> 06:22:02,160
stuff happening at the chat or you see

9465
06:22:07,910 --> 06:22:04,378
that but thank you yeah

9466
06:22:10,368 --> 06:22:07,920
you have no idea man so yeah Tyler

9467
06:22:12,770 --> 06:22:10,378
yeah this is quite an operation so I'm

9468
06:22:15,830 --> 06:22:12,780
definitely impressed as well but I'm

9469
06:22:17,690 --> 06:22:15,840
just grateful to be here and uh and it's

9470
06:22:20,208 --> 06:22:17,700
it's been a greater

9471
06:22:23,270 --> 06:22:20,218
experience watching this Channel and and

9472
06:22:25,310 --> 06:22:23,280
seeing it help develop this discussion

9473
06:22:27,230 --> 06:22:25,320
around theories of everything and and

9474
06:22:29,470 --> 06:22:27,240
the fundamental nature of reality so

9475
06:22:34,430 --> 06:22:29,480
yeah

9476
06:22:37,670 --> 06:22:34,440
very grateful for

9477
06:22:38,810 --> 06:22:37,680
that you made this competition and I

9478
06:22:40,430 --> 06:22:38,820
have

9479
06:22:43,128 --> 06:22:40,440
been watching somebody out all our

9480
06:22:44,690 --> 06:22:43,138
videos and downloaders and books they

9481
06:22:49,910 --> 06:22:44,700
recommended and

9482
06:22:57,350 --> 06:22:53,150
thank you okay goodbye to Tyler Nikolai

9483
06:22:59,628 --> 06:22:57,360
and Sorensen now Ross I know that you

9484
06:23:01,070 --> 06:22:59,638
have special you probably have got to

9485
06:23:03,590 --> 06:23:01,080
get going if you feel like staying on

9486
06:23:05,208 --> 06:23:03,600
then then we would I would love to

9487
06:23:07,310 --> 06:23:05,218
welcome you on because the next guests

9488
06:23:10,250 --> 06:23:07,320
after this five minute break alien girl

9489
06:23:11,990 --> 06:23:10,260
Richie gaffon Garrett Vandenberg Chris

9490
06:23:13,788 --> 06:23:12,000
Leto and the Daniel from active

9491
06:23:15,048 --> 06:23:13,798
inference that's after five minute break

9492
06:23:16,850 --> 06:23:15,058
so if you feel like coming on with them

9493
06:23:19,490 --> 06:23:16,860
then you're more than welcome to stay if

9494
06:23:21,410 --> 06:23:19,500
you have to go I understand Ross

9495
06:23:23,090 --> 06:23:21,420
I can stick around for about five or ten

9496
06:23:24,410 --> 06:23:23,100
so uh that's fine okay well we're going

9497
06:23:25,730 --> 06:23:24,420
to take a five minute break anyway so

9498
06:23:27,830 --> 06:23:25,740
why don't you go get a cup of tea or

9499
06:23:29,448 --> 06:23:27,840
whatever you have to do and we're gonna

9500
06:23:32,208 --> 06:23:29,458
stretch my legs

9501
06:23:36,890 --> 06:23:32,218
there are a thousand people here and I'm

9502
06:23:40,970 --> 06:23:36,900
about to let in alien girl Amy

9503
06:23:43,250 --> 06:23:40,980
hey what's up girl how's it going good

9504
06:23:46,190 --> 06:23:43,260
great great it's good to finally meet

9505
06:23:49,610 --> 06:23:46,200
you Richie goffon good to meet you as

9506
06:23:50,810 --> 06:23:49,620
well thank you patience I appreciate

9507
06:23:53,030 --> 06:23:50,820
that man

9508
06:23:55,548 --> 06:23:53,040
Garrett Vandenberg hey how's it going

9509
06:23:58,670 --> 06:23:55,558
well we met good to see you again yeah

9510
06:24:03,708 --> 06:23:58,680
Chris Leno and Dan hey guys from active

9511
06:24:07,610 --> 06:24:05,628
like these are all podcasts we're all

9512
06:24:10,448 --> 06:24:07,620
podcasters every single person here's a

9513
06:24:14,830 --> 06:24:10,458
podcaster even you Ross

9514
06:24:20,090 --> 06:24:17,390
well thank you welcome welcome to this

9515
06:24:21,890 --> 06:24:20,100
celebration and all of the links to

9516
06:24:24,770 --> 06:24:21,900
every one of you will be on the screen

9517
06:24:27,230 --> 06:24:24,780
shortly but I'm gonna go through one by

9518
06:24:29,868 --> 06:24:27,240
one Ross I want to promote your podcast

9519
06:24:31,430 --> 06:24:29,878
need to know as well as the book in

9520
06:24:37,970 --> 06:24:31,440
plain sight

9521
06:24:39,590 --> 06:24:37,980
alien girl11 the username says it all

9522
06:24:40,910 --> 06:24:39,600
you can search for that and that I

9523
06:24:42,590 --> 06:24:40,920
believe is also your Twitter and your

9524
06:24:44,510 --> 06:24:42,600
YouTube

9525
06:24:46,128 --> 06:24:44,520
that is correct that's where you can

9526
06:24:47,990 --> 06:24:46,138
find me on everything just Google it and

9527
06:24:49,670 --> 06:24:48,000
everything pops up and thank you so much

9528
06:24:52,310 --> 06:24:49,680
for having me on this is amazing yeah

9529
06:24:53,930 --> 06:24:52,320
yeah yeah yeah it's well thank you for

9530
06:24:56,090 --> 06:24:53,940
being so patient it's like just waiting

9531
06:24:57,530 --> 06:24:56,100
in the airport lounge I'm sure you're

9532
06:24:59,570 --> 06:24:57,540
just like okay come on the flight said

9533
06:25:01,910 --> 06:24:59,580
it was supposed to come on an hour ago

9534
06:25:04,250 --> 06:25:01,920
it's delayed and I have this and I'm so

9535
06:25:07,610 --> 06:25:04,260
thank you all I know

9536
06:25:09,170 --> 06:25:07,620
Chris Leto I believe doesn't need much

9537
06:25:11,868 --> 06:25:09,180
of an introduction but I'll attempt to

9538
06:25:12,948 --> 06:25:11,878
give one anyways it's a former pilot

9539
06:25:17,510 --> 06:25:12,958
correct

9540
06:25:21,110 --> 06:25:17,520
yes yep for former Air Force pilot who

9541
06:25:24,048 --> 06:25:21,120
has a great channel that analyzes uaps

9542
06:25:26,948 --> 06:25:24,058
and also you have your own toe which

9543
06:25:30,948 --> 06:25:26,958
we'll talk about everybody

9544
06:25:32,868 --> 06:25:30,958
about 10 of them so Garrett says Garrett

9545
06:25:34,490 --> 06:25:32,878
sorry it doesn't say it's from this

9546
06:25:35,810 --> 06:25:34,500
could be interesting

9547
06:25:37,910 --> 06:25:35,820
the podcast

9548
06:25:39,470 --> 06:25:37,920
that's right right and you also have

9549
06:25:41,170 --> 06:25:39,480
your own music channel which again I'll

9550
06:25:44,948 --> 06:25:41,180
link all of these

9551
06:25:47,690 --> 06:25:44,958
Richie Rich hey gafon

9552
06:25:51,110 --> 06:25:47,700
g-u-f-o-n so like UFO with G and N

9553
06:25:53,570 --> 06:25:51,120
placed at the borders sure

9554
06:25:55,850 --> 06:25:53,580
yeah greatest UFO Network

9555
06:25:58,190 --> 06:25:55,860
all right right actually it's my last

9556
06:26:00,048 --> 06:25:58,200
name Giordano's UFO Network yeah well it

9557
06:26:01,490 --> 06:26:00,058
serves multiple purposes of Daniel it

9558
06:26:03,230 --> 06:26:01,500
does inference

9559
06:26:05,930 --> 06:26:03,240
it's a it's a pleasure to meet you I

9560
06:26:08,270 --> 06:26:05,940
don't think we met man we have not no we

9561
06:26:10,490 --> 06:26:08,280
just uh emailed back and forth yeah nice

9562
06:26:13,310 --> 06:26:10,500
to meet you officially yeah nice to meet

9563
06:26:14,930 --> 06:26:13,320
you nice everybody here too yeah

9564
06:26:16,730 --> 06:26:14,940
and Ross I don't know if you're familiar

9565
06:26:18,110 --> 06:26:16,740
so who who here are you familiar with

9566
06:26:21,288 --> 06:26:18,120
Ross

9567
06:26:22,910 --> 06:26:21,298
I know uh I know Chris very well uh in

9568
06:26:24,650 --> 06:26:22,920
fact I just saw some beautiful pictures

9569
06:26:26,330 --> 06:26:24,660
of Chris's family just the other day he

9570
06:26:28,010 --> 06:26:26,340
posted a beautiful Christmas picture and

9571
06:26:32,090 --> 06:26:28,020
I congratulated him on his beautiful

9572
06:26:34,670 --> 06:26:32,100
kids and family and uh I've uh Richie

9573
06:26:36,770 --> 06:26:34,680
I've I've I sort of know although I do

9574
06:26:39,770 --> 06:26:36,780
like your shirt sir it's it's fantastic

9575
06:26:41,628 --> 06:26:39,780
I wish I had one of those uh and alien

9576
06:26:43,610 --> 06:26:41,638
girl and Garrett and Daniel I'm going to

9577
06:26:45,890 --> 06:26:43,620
have to inform myself but uh lovely to

9578
06:26:50,628 --> 06:26:45,900
meet all of you great to meet you Ross

9579
06:26:56,690 --> 06:26:54,650
yeah how's Australia are you back there

9580
06:26:59,048 --> 06:26:56,700
uh yeah yeah it's beautiful in fact it's

9581
06:27:02,810 --> 06:26:59,058
we've we've had the wettest Christmas

9582
06:27:05,330 --> 06:27:02,820
period of as far as I can remember and

9583
06:27:07,910 --> 06:27:05,340
um we had uh a bit over an inch and a

9584
06:27:09,948 --> 06:27:07,920
half of rain yesterday and um it's now

9585
06:27:12,770 --> 06:27:09,958
come out in beautiful blue sky weather

9586
06:27:14,150 --> 06:27:12,780
and uh and I'm really looking forward to

9587
06:27:16,910 --> 06:27:14,160
getting out amongst it after we have

9588
06:27:19,390 --> 06:27:16,920
this chat it's um it's been so rare

9589
06:27:22,610 --> 06:27:19,400
we've we had the pandemic then we had

9590
06:27:24,470 --> 06:27:22,620
floods and fires with we literally had

9591
06:27:25,730 --> 06:27:24,480
the Apocalypse in Australia because I

9592
06:27:28,310 --> 06:27:25,740
mean you might all remember we had

9593
06:27:32,030 --> 06:27:28,320
bushfires a few years ago we've had

9594
06:27:34,548 --> 06:27:32,040
fires floods pandemic I'm waiting for

9595
06:27:36,410 --> 06:27:34,558
Locust plagues and then a farmer friend

9596
06:27:38,570 --> 06:27:36,420
of mine pointed out that he's had Locus

9597
06:27:40,368 --> 06:27:38,580
plagues and we also had Mass plagues

9598
06:27:41,510 --> 06:27:40,378
earlier in the year as well so you know

9599
06:27:43,670 --> 06:27:41,520
frankly I think we've done the

9600
06:27:46,490 --> 06:27:43,680
apocalypse here already

9601
06:27:48,350 --> 06:27:46,500
don't you guys get dust storms out there

9602
06:27:50,690 --> 06:27:48,360
uh not where I live although

9603
06:27:53,690 --> 06:27:50,700
periodically you will you'll get a big

9604
06:27:56,690 --> 06:27:53,700
dump of red Outback dirt on everything

9605
06:27:59,030 --> 06:27:56,700
in your garden and uh periodically you

9606
06:28:02,208 --> 06:27:59,040
just get these weird dumps of of Red

9607
06:28:04,970 --> 06:28:02,218
Dirt but uh the Outback from where I am

9608
06:28:06,708 --> 06:28:04,980
is probably about four hours West but

9609
06:28:09,288 --> 06:28:06,718
periodically yes every now and then

9610
06:28:12,230 --> 06:28:09,298
you'll get a big lump of dust that

9611
06:28:13,610 --> 06:28:12,240
basically comes from nowhere but the big

9612
06:28:15,170 --> 06:28:13,620
truth the great mythology about

9613
06:28:17,208 --> 06:28:15,180
Australia is that we all walk around

9614
06:28:19,788 --> 06:28:17,218
with hats on our head with corks around

9615
06:28:21,830 --> 06:28:19,798
them and we live by billabongs and um

9616
06:28:23,510 --> 06:28:21,840
you know have kangaroos in our backyard

9617
06:28:24,410 --> 06:28:23,520
although I do have kangaroos in my

9618
06:28:26,990 --> 06:28:24,420
backyard

9619
06:28:29,570 --> 06:28:27,000
um the uh the reality is that most

9620
06:28:32,510 --> 06:28:29,580
Australians live on the coast and um

9621
06:28:34,730 --> 06:28:32,520
we're actually a coastal uh country and

9622
06:28:38,090 --> 06:28:34,740
vast amounts of the interior of

9623
06:28:40,788 --> 06:28:38,100
Australia are basically empty empty and

9624
06:28:42,170 --> 06:28:40,798
dry and Dusty and all all in all pretty

9625
06:28:44,390 --> 06:28:42,180
and hospitable

9626
06:28:46,250 --> 06:28:44,400
did you figure out which deity was was

9627
06:28:48,230 --> 06:28:46,260
sending the plagues to you or how did

9628
06:28:51,170 --> 06:28:48,240
that happen

9629
06:28:52,368 --> 06:28:51,180
I'm sorry what was that sorry I was just

9630
06:28:54,708 --> 06:28:52,378
joking I said did you figure out which

9631
06:28:57,948 --> 06:28:54,718
deity was was plaguing you with rats and

9632
06:29:00,948 --> 06:28:57,958
locusts and all of this oh no no no no

9633
06:29:03,350 --> 06:29:00,958
no it's um we we have felt well I must

9634
06:29:04,730 --> 06:29:03,360
confess I I really felt further up your

9635
06:29:06,590 --> 06:29:04,740
way Kurt because you've had some

9636
06:29:09,830 --> 06:29:06,600
shocking weather I've had friends who've

9637
06:29:13,610 --> 06:29:09,840
been in houses with minus 15 C which is

9638
06:29:16,010 --> 06:29:13,620
which that's about minus 25c

9639
06:29:19,250 --> 06:29:16,020
um uh I can't believe how cold it's got

9640
06:29:21,708 --> 06:29:19,260
up your way and um yeah uh around yeah

9641
06:29:24,350 --> 06:29:21,718
I'm so bloody hot here it was ridiculous

9642
06:29:26,930 --> 06:29:24,360
it was 31 centigrade

9643
06:29:28,250 --> 06:29:26,940
yeah it there's been storms here in case

9644
06:29:30,048 --> 06:29:28,260
people are wondering what is being

9645
06:29:32,448 --> 06:29:30,058
referenced them from Toronto and

9646
06:29:36,110 --> 06:29:32,458
recently there's been a slew of not just

9647
06:29:38,810 --> 06:29:36,120
extreme cold like minus 27 Celsius yeah

9648
06:29:40,670 --> 06:29:38,820
but and the wind chill is just crazy too

9649
06:29:44,448 --> 06:29:40,680
did you have your power go out at all

9650
06:29:45,530 --> 06:29:44,458
Kurt frozen rain no luckily and Daniel I

9651
06:29:47,810 --> 06:29:45,540
didn't give you a proper introduction

9652
06:29:50,628 --> 06:29:47,820
Daniel So Daniel please come in and

9653
06:29:52,970 --> 06:29:50,638
introduce yourself as as you have an it

9654
06:29:55,850 --> 06:29:52,980
well please introduce yourself Daniel's

9655
06:29:58,970 --> 06:29:55,860
from the active inference Institute

9656
06:30:01,430 --> 06:29:58,980
thank you Kurt greetings all

9657
06:30:02,930 --> 06:30:01,440
personally I'm a researcher in

9658
06:30:08,090 --> 06:30:02,940
California

9659
06:30:09,830 --> 06:30:08,100
I'm here as a uh Emissary of the active

9660
06:30:12,110 --> 06:30:09,840
inference Institute we're an open

9661
06:30:14,208 --> 06:30:12,120
Science Institute and we're learning and

9662
06:30:16,430 --> 06:30:14,218
applying active inference

9663
06:30:18,230 --> 06:30:16,440
so you may or may not have heard of it

9664
06:30:21,288 --> 06:30:18,240
but it's all there in the name it's

9665
06:30:23,390 --> 06:30:21,298
about action and inference Kurt has

9666
06:30:26,030 --> 06:30:23,400
featured some incredible and really

9667
06:30:29,330 --> 06:30:26,040
powerful discussions with several of the

9668
06:30:31,368 --> 06:30:29,340
leading researchers Carl friston Mike

9669
06:30:35,930 --> 06:30:31,378
Levin Chris Fields it's been some

9670
06:30:37,730 --> 06:30:35,940
incredible discussions and we come from

9671
06:30:39,708 --> 06:30:37,740
many different perspectives a lot of

9672
06:30:41,810 --> 06:30:39,718
different languages people with a lot of

9673
06:30:43,368 --> 06:30:41,820
mathematical backgrounds people who are

9674
06:30:45,770 --> 06:30:43,378
just becoming familiar with the

9675
06:30:48,948 --> 06:30:45,780
mathematics and we strive to make active

9676
06:30:51,490 --> 06:30:48,958
inference accessible and rigorous and

9677
06:30:54,410 --> 06:30:51,500
applicable and we have a great time

9678
06:30:57,110 --> 06:30:54,420
entertaining and dancing with theories

9679
06:30:59,990 --> 06:30:57,120
of things which is something which I'm

9680
06:31:02,810 --> 06:31:00,000
sure we can go into

9681
06:31:04,610 --> 06:31:02,820
okay now

9682
06:31:06,590 --> 06:31:04,620
okay just a moment

9683
06:31:07,750 --> 06:31:06,600
yep my headphone was telling me battery

9684
06:31:12,110 --> 06:31:07,760
is low

9685
06:31:14,930 --> 06:31:12,120
okay so Robert you're in the waiting

9686
06:31:16,788 --> 06:31:14,940
room and Lou please wait

9687
06:31:18,708 --> 06:31:16,798
thank you I hope that you can hear me

9688
06:31:19,548 --> 06:31:18,718
please give a thumbs up if you can hear

9689
06:31:22,430 --> 06:31:19,558
me

9690
06:31:25,970 --> 06:31:22,440
all right thank you for your patience I

9691
06:31:27,650 --> 06:31:25,980
appreciate it so just let's go over what

9692
06:31:32,270 --> 06:31:27,660
we

9693
06:31:32,280 --> 06:31:35,708
UFO report

9694
06:31:38,810 --> 06:31:37,730
I'm going to change my headphones so

9695
06:31:41,930 --> 06:31:38,820
continue please

9696
06:31:44,448 --> 06:31:41,940
I'm very excited about the NDA

9697
06:31:46,250 --> 06:31:44,458
I think it's super super powerful at

9698
06:31:48,708 --> 06:31:46,260
least I mean what do you think Ross I

9699
06:31:51,110 --> 06:31:48,718
think it's going to be a game changer

9700
06:31:52,430 --> 06:31:51,120
um I I look I I think the ndia what

9701
06:31:54,770 --> 06:31:52,440
we're talking about here is the National

9702
06:31:56,570 --> 06:31:54,780
Defense authorization act which has got

9703
06:31:58,730 --> 06:31:56,580
a whole lot of Provisions that make it

9704
06:32:02,390 --> 06:31:58,740
possible for people to blow the whistle

9705
06:32:04,070 --> 06:32:02,400
on if they exist secret programs that

9706
06:32:07,430 --> 06:32:04,080
are disguising

9707
06:32:10,010 --> 06:32:07,440
perhaps position of UFO UAP related

9708
06:32:12,288 --> 06:32:10,020
technology inside the US government and

9709
06:32:13,810 --> 06:32:12,298
they may in fact shed light on whether

9710
06:32:16,310 --> 06:32:13,820
or not the United States government

9711
06:32:19,250 --> 06:32:16,320
incredibly as incredible as it may seem

9712
06:32:22,010 --> 06:32:19,260
has ever been involved in retrieving

9713
06:32:25,430 --> 06:32:22,020
non-human technology or engaging with a

9714
06:32:27,470 --> 06:32:25,440
non-human intelligence and so it may be

9715
06:32:29,830 --> 06:32:27,480
that the Congress gets the answers on

9716
06:32:34,128 --> 06:32:29,840
this this year because of legislation

9717
06:32:36,708 --> 06:32:34,138
but Chris My worry is that um there have

9718
06:32:38,150 --> 06:32:36,718
already been hearings and I'm told and

9719
06:32:40,190 --> 06:32:38,160
some of this is starting to dribble out

9720
06:32:42,170 --> 06:32:40,200
I'm told that there have already been

9721
06:32:45,530 --> 06:32:42,180
witnesses that have given quite a lot of

9722
06:32:47,628 --> 06:32:45,540
detail in camera to the Senate

9723
06:32:50,570 --> 06:32:47,638
intelligence committee and the armed

9724
06:32:52,190 --> 06:32:50,580
services committee but um the big

9725
06:32:54,048 --> 06:32:52,200
question in my mind is whether the

9726
06:32:56,110 --> 06:32:54,058
Public's going to get told anything

9727
06:32:59,990 --> 06:32:56,120
about what these committees have heard

9728
06:33:02,510 --> 06:33:00,000
and it's interesting because really the

9729
06:33:05,510 --> 06:33:02,520
decision on what is released in any

9730
06:33:09,530 --> 06:33:05,520
unclassified report is really up to the

9731
06:33:12,410 --> 06:33:09,540
committee cheers and um uh my worry at

9732
06:33:15,048 --> 06:33:12,420
the moment frankly is that because

9733
06:33:18,048 --> 06:33:15,058
there's a delayed report to the Congress

9734
06:33:20,570 --> 06:33:18,058
that was due on the 31st of October

9735
06:33:23,868 --> 06:33:20,580
which was meant to be the first annual

9736
06:33:26,868 --> 06:33:23,878
report of what essentially is a UAP task

9737
06:33:29,930 --> 06:33:26,878
force inside the Pentagon because that's

9738
06:33:32,390 --> 06:33:29,940
delay not one politician has spoken out

9739
06:33:34,730 --> 06:33:32,400
to say how outrageous this is that it's

9740
06:33:37,910 --> 06:33:34,740
essentially flouting and ignoring the

9741
06:33:39,770 --> 06:33:37,920
statutory requirements of Congress so

9742
06:33:41,628 --> 06:33:39,780
I'm a little bit worried that what that

9743
06:33:45,650 --> 06:33:41,638
Flags is

9744
06:33:47,090 --> 06:33:45,660
um kind of like a a an attitude by the

9745
06:33:49,430 --> 06:33:47,100
Pentagon and the intelligence community

9746
06:33:52,190 --> 06:33:49,440
that really it's not going to take these

9747
06:33:54,650 --> 06:33:52,200
kind of requirements very seriously so I

9748
06:33:57,110 --> 06:33:54,660
just hope that the politicians muscle up

9749
06:33:59,330 --> 06:33:57,120
because the big question is going to be

9750
06:34:02,628 --> 06:33:59,340
yes Congress is getting told this stuff

9751
06:34:05,448 --> 06:34:02,638
but is the public going to be allowed to

9752
06:34:09,048 --> 06:34:05,458
know because we do we need to know

9753
06:34:11,150 --> 06:34:09,058
Tim burchett came out and said it's the

9754
06:34:12,948 --> 06:34:11,160
government is corrupt he actually used

9755
06:34:14,690 --> 06:34:12,958
the words corrupt they're not going to

9756
06:34:16,070 --> 06:34:14,700
do anything with this stuff he's afraid

9757
06:34:17,390 --> 06:34:16,080
we're never going to see anything the

9758
06:34:20,530 --> 06:34:17,400
light of day like what you're talking

9759
06:34:23,090 --> 06:34:20,540
about I believe that tonight

9760
06:34:25,670 --> 06:34:23,100
yeah Richie and the interesting thing

9761
06:34:29,330 --> 06:34:25,680
about Tim is that I know Tim has sat in

9762
06:34:31,788 --> 06:34:29,340
on one of these hearings at least where

9763
06:34:34,150 --> 06:34:31,798
Witnesses were deposed and were giving

9764
06:34:37,190 --> 06:34:34,160
quite dramatic evidence to the Congress

9765
06:34:38,810 --> 06:34:37,200
and uh because he sat in on that hearing

9766
06:34:40,490 --> 06:34:38,820
he's not allowed to talk about it and

9767
06:34:42,230 --> 06:34:40,500
it's not him who's told me about the

9768
06:34:44,570 --> 06:34:42,240
fact that he was in that hearing I'm I'm

9769
06:34:47,090 --> 06:34:44,580
aware of this from other sources but the

9770
06:34:48,948 --> 06:34:47,100
uh the interesting thing is is that it's

9771
06:34:51,110 --> 06:34:48,958
a bit like once you become part of the

9772
06:34:53,628 --> 06:34:51,120
secret world you have to sign your ndas

9773
06:34:56,628 --> 06:34:53,638
and you have to make your secrecy oath

9774
06:34:58,610 --> 06:34:56,638
the the big problem for politicians is

9775
06:35:01,788 --> 06:34:58,620
what on Earth are they being told behind

9776
06:35:03,170 --> 06:35:01,798
closed doors which is so secret that the

9777
06:35:06,350 --> 06:35:03,180
rest of the world isn't allowed to know

9778
06:35:08,750 --> 06:35:06,360
about it and Richie that's my Worry My

9779
06:35:11,030 --> 06:35:08,760
worry is that yes Congress may get told

9780
06:35:12,470 --> 06:35:11,040
something but the rest of us are going

9781
06:35:13,850 --> 06:35:12,480
to have a paper bag put over our head

9782
06:35:16,010 --> 06:35:13,860
and we're going to be kept in the dark

9783
06:35:18,948 --> 06:35:16,020
and fit on BS

9784
06:35:20,868 --> 06:35:18,958
once they start that process of opening

9785
06:35:22,310 --> 06:35:20,878
up Pandora's Box you can't close it

9786
06:35:24,230 --> 06:35:22,320
that's why this stuff has to be

9787
06:35:26,990 --> 06:35:24,240
scrutinized down to every single detail

9788
06:35:29,570 --> 06:35:27,000
what can be told what can't be they've

9789
06:35:31,310 --> 06:35:29,580
got a big big job ahead of them by not

9790
06:35:33,110 --> 06:35:31,320
accidentally saying something or showing

9791
06:35:36,048 --> 06:35:33,120
us something they shouldn't

9792
06:35:38,628 --> 06:35:36,058
you know we saw what happened the first

9793
06:35:41,208 --> 06:35:38,638
congressional hearing on UFOs it really

9794
06:35:43,730 --> 06:35:41,218
was not impressive at all so if that's

9795
06:35:48,708 --> 06:35:43,740
things to come you know and it's going

9796
06:35:50,030 --> 06:35:48,718
to be the same well yeah right

9797
06:35:51,708 --> 06:35:50,040
I'm worried we're all going to get

9798
06:35:54,048 --> 06:35:51,718
snowed basically and it's happened

9799
06:35:54,948 --> 06:35:54,058
before it happened what do you mean can

9800
06:35:56,150 --> 06:35:54,958
you repeat that because I don't

9801
06:35:58,730 --> 06:35:56,160
understand that this must be an

9802
06:36:00,890 --> 06:35:58,740
Australian oh uh it's basically I'm

9803
06:36:02,150 --> 06:36:00,900
worried that I'm worried that what's

9804
06:36:03,650 --> 06:36:02,160
going on at the moment is that there is

9805
06:36:05,750 --> 06:36:03,660
an attempt to pull the wool over our

9806
06:36:08,030 --> 06:36:05,760
eyes there's been an attempt to

9807
06:36:11,810 --> 06:36:08,040
constrain the whole Narrative of what

9808
06:36:13,190 --> 06:36:11,820
we're investigating by starting at 2004.

9809
06:36:15,350 --> 06:36:13,200
um Chris would know that you know

9810
06:36:18,708 --> 06:36:15,360
obviously a lot of the focus on the USS

9811
06:36:20,750 --> 06:36:18,718
Nimitz incident from 2004 and the

9812
06:36:24,170 --> 06:36:20,760
incidents involving the U.S Navy from

9813
06:36:26,690 --> 06:36:24,180
2014 2015 and since it's very important

9814
06:36:28,430 --> 06:36:26,700
that those are investigated but I I

9815
06:36:30,230 --> 06:36:28,440
suspect that there's a deliberate

9816
06:36:32,030 --> 06:36:30,240
attempt by people in the Pentagon and

9817
06:36:35,208 --> 06:36:32,040
the intelligence Community to avoid

9818
06:36:37,730 --> 06:36:35,218
accountability and public scrutiny over

9819
06:36:40,850 --> 06:36:37,740
what they've known in the decades prior

9820
06:36:42,948 --> 06:36:40,860
did they lie about Roswell did they lie

9821
06:36:46,190 --> 06:36:42,958
about other recoveries that allegedly

9822
06:36:48,650 --> 06:36:46,200
took place in the 1950s and the 1940s I

9823
06:36:50,948 --> 06:36:48,660
know it sounds crazy but imminent

9824
06:36:55,128 --> 06:36:50,958
respectable people are now asserting

9825
06:36:56,810 --> 06:36:55,138
that there is some truth possibly to the

9826
06:36:59,930 --> 06:36:56,820
idea that the United States government

9827
06:37:02,150 --> 06:36:59,940
is in possession of non-human technology

9828
06:37:04,548 --> 06:37:02,160
which is a Preposterous claim it's an

9829
06:37:06,048 --> 06:37:04,558
amazing allegation and I don't know why

9830
06:37:08,330 --> 06:37:06,058
it's not on the front pages of every

9831
06:37:10,070 --> 06:37:08,340
major newspaper I mean when you look at

9832
06:37:12,410 --> 06:37:10,080
the caliber of the people that have come

9833
06:37:14,150 --> 06:37:12,420
forward and said that they think that

9834
06:37:16,430 --> 06:37:14,160
this has credibility and that it should

9835
06:37:18,470 --> 06:37:16,440
be investigated and where are the Wall

9836
06:37:19,910 --> 06:37:18,480
Street Journal in the New York Times not

9837
06:37:22,490 --> 06:37:19,920
only are they asleep at the wheel

9838
06:37:24,350 --> 06:37:22,500
they're running polemics from lick

9839
06:37:27,110 --> 06:37:24,360
spittle journalists who are basically

9840
06:37:29,270 --> 06:37:27,120
running a party line given to them

9841
06:37:32,690 --> 06:37:29,280
probably over a glass of Shandy in a

9842
06:37:35,270 --> 06:37:32,700
golf club near the CIA somewhere frankly

9843
06:37:37,250 --> 06:37:35,280
it's outrageous journalists are there to

9844
06:37:38,868 --> 06:37:37,260
cause Mischief they're caused there to

9845
06:37:42,170 --> 06:37:38,878
Rattle the boat

9846
06:37:48,650 --> 06:37:42,180
Ross I gotta invite in our next guest

9847
06:37:55,788 --> 06:37:52,868
and Robert Lawrence

9848
06:37:58,070 --> 06:37:55,798
thank you all this is like so there's a

9849
06:37:59,628 --> 06:37:58,080
comments above that says this show is

9850
06:38:01,610 --> 06:37:59,638
running this tone Anza is running the

9851
06:38:04,070 --> 06:38:01,620
gamut from smaller podcasters all the

9852
06:38:06,530 --> 06:38:04,080
way up to PBS space time which is 2.77

9853
06:38:09,890 --> 06:38:06,540
million and Robert like Robert

9854
06:38:11,270 --> 06:38:09,900
Coons Channel closer to truth that's

9855
06:38:16,670 --> 06:38:11,280
like a

9856
06:38:19,430 --> 06:38:16,680
and Luke Angeles people visit Lou

9857
06:38:21,830 --> 06:38:19,440
reviews I will leave the link in the

9858
06:38:23,868 --> 06:38:21,840
description but anyway welcome Robert

9859
06:38:26,208 --> 06:38:23,878
and Lou

9860
06:38:29,150 --> 06:38:26,218
good to see you Kirk congratulations on

9861
06:38:31,190 --> 06:38:29,160
a great year uh toe has really uh

9862
06:38:32,448 --> 06:38:31,200
developed over the year and we're all

9863
06:38:35,150 --> 06:38:32,458
applauding it

9864
06:38:36,948 --> 06:38:35,160
well thank you Lou

9865
06:38:38,810 --> 06:38:36,958
it's good to see you oh yeah absolutely

9866
06:38:40,070 --> 06:38:38,820
thank you for the invite uh pleasure to

9867
06:38:43,910 --> 06:38:40,080
be here

9868
06:38:45,288 --> 06:38:43,920
so Robert closer to truth what's is that

9869
06:38:47,150 --> 06:38:45,298
like okay forget about closer to truth

9870
06:38:49,788 --> 06:38:47,160
what else are you looking forward to in

9871
06:38:52,368 --> 06:38:49,798
the upcoming year well maybe don't

9872
06:38:55,190 --> 06:38:52,378
forget about closer to truth but yeah

9873
06:38:59,208 --> 06:38:55,200
well I have uh two sides of my brain I

9874
06:39:00,770 --> 06:38:59,218
don't know which is which uh but um you

9875
06:39:03,650 --> 06:39:00,780
know in terms of in terms of the world

9876
06:39:05,510 --> 06:39:03,660
uh we hope to have a better year

9877
06:39:08,330 --> 06:39:05,520
um I I follow

9878
06:39:11,868 --> 06:39:08,340
International affairs with uh quite

9879
06:39:14,810 --> 06:39:11,878
quite rigorously in my other in my

9880
06:39:17,090 --> 06:39:14,820
non-in closer to truth life uh I'm very

9881
06:39:20,330 --> 06:39:17,100
much involved with China so I I look at

9882
06:39:23,270 --> 06:39:20,340
the world from both a China perspective

9883
06:39:26,030 --> 06:39:23,280
and a U.S perspective and uh

9884
06:39:28,430 --> 06:39:26,040
with Ukraine and Russia it's a terrible

9885
06:39:31,910 --> 06:39:28,440
situation which affects all of us so we

9886
06:39:34,788 --> 06:39:31,920
hope they hope there'll be some uh some

9887
06:39:37,788 --> 06:39:34,798
significant transformation on that that

9888
06:39:39,590 --> 06:39:37,798
that's the hope but the likelihood it

9889
06:39:41,750 --> 06:39:39,600
doesn't look that way

9890
06:39:43,190 --> 06:39:41,760
so that's on the one hand close to the

9891
06:39:45,530 --> 06:39:43,200
truth I can be much more optimistic

9892
06:39:46,970 --> 06:39:45,540
about we we just launched the new

9893
06:39:49,788 --> 06:39:46,980
website after about a year in

9894
06:39:51,948 --> 06:39:49,798
development a few weeks ago and we're

9895
06:39:56,208 --> 06:39:51,958
excited about that

9896
06:40:00,250 --> 06:39:56,218
um and we're developing new new areas of

9897
06:40:02,410 --> 06:40:00,260
content we have focused in the past on

9898
06:40:06,288 --> 06:40:02,420
Cosmos physics

9899
06:40:08,750 --> 06:40:06,298
mathematics a third and a third on brain

9900
06:40:13,128 --> 06:40:08,760
mind Consciousness Free Will personal

9901
06:40:14,170 --> 06:40:13,138
identity diverse intelligences ESP

9902
06:40:17,750 --> 06:40:14,180
um

9903
06:40:18,948 --> 06:40:17,760
ESB it's not a lot of major thing of

9904
06:40:21,590 --> 06:40:18,958
what we do but it's definitely

9905
06:40:24,948 --> 06:40:21,600
definitely part of our explorations of

9906
06:40:28,010 --> 06:40:24,958
Consciousness from a particular point of

9907
06:40:31,190 --> 06:40:28,020
view and the third category is uh is

9908
06:40:33,530 --> 06:40:31,200
meaning which is basically philosophy of

9909
06:40:36,410 --> 06:40:33,540
religion the inter it's a relationship

9910
06:40:37,448 --> 06:40:36,420
between philosophy of religion and the

9911
06:40:40,190 --> 06:40:37,458
Sciences

9912
06:40:42,048 --> 06:40:40,200
as well as kind of Hardcore philosophy

9913
06:40:44,090 --> 06:40:42,058
those have been the three areas but

9914
06:40:48,410 --> 06:40:44,100
we're expanding it now

9915
06:40:50,868 --> 06:40:48,420
category which will include life which

9916
06:40:53,868 --> 06:40:50,878
will be life and and the primary aspect

9917
06:40:55,788 --> 06:40:53,878
is philosophy of biology so it'll

9918
06:40:57,470 --> 06:40:55,798
probably take we've just done our first

9919
06:40:59,448 --> 06:40:57,480
filming it'll take

9920
06:41:01,910 --> 06:40:59,458
it'll take well into the Year by the end

9921
06:41:05,030 --> 06:41:01,920
of the year before we start posting a

9922
06:41:08,208 --> 06:41:05,040
lot of a lot of material but it's it's a

9923
06:41:10,430 --> 06:41:08,218
new area for us and we think it's very

9924
06:41:12,770 --> 06:41:10,440
probative of the nature of reality to

9925
06:41:14,390 --> 06:41:12,780
really discuss the the nature of life

9926
06:41:16,670 --> 06:41:14,400
from all different points of view

9927
06:41:19,730 --> 06:41:16,680
particularly from a philosophical point

9928
06:41:22,548 --> 06:41:19,740
of view evolution is a a core area to

9929
06:41:25,070 --> 06:41:22,558
really understand how that works and

9930
06:41:28,250 --> 06:41:25,080
there's a lot of controversy in it but

9931
06:41:30,530 --> 06:41:28,260
it goes broader than that so that's what

9932
06:41:34,490 --> 06:41:30,540
we're looking at we're also developing

9933
06:41:38,530 --> 06:41:34,500
uh in the past our meaning section uh

9934
06:41:41,750 --> 06:41:38,540
has been largely uh

9935
06:41:44,390 --> 06:41:41,760
Western philosophy of religion and in

9936
06:41:47,208 --> 06:41:44,400
particular a Christian philosophy of

9937
06:41:50,990 --> 06:41:47,218
religion and there are two reasons for

9938
06:41:53,868 --> 06:41:51,000
it one is that

9939
06:41:56,570 --> 06:41:53,878
we're in the west and we film in the U.S

9940
06:41:58,070 --> 06:41:56,580
and UK so it's it's more convenient but

9941
06:42:00,110 --> 06:41:58,080
that's really the secondary reason the

9942
06:42:01,910 --> 06:42:00,120
main reason is that some of the most

9943
06:42:03,350 --> 06:42:01,920
sophisticated philosophy since the

9944
06:42:06,410 --> 06:42:03,360
Middle Ages has been in Christian

9945
06:42:08,990 --> 06:42:06,420
philosophy uh so that's why we we do

9946
06:42:11,628 --> 06:42:09,000
that my mother who died a few years ago

9947
06:42:13,548 --> 06:42:11,638
at 102 used to watch closer to truth

9948
06:42:17,030 --> 06:42:13,558
she'd understand anything she just was

9949
06:42:19,730 --> 06:42:17,040
happy to see me if I was happy and upset

9950
06:42:21,410 --> 06:42:19,740
if I if I look sad but she always asks

9951
06:42:23,270 --> 06:42:21,420
me she always asked me why don't you

9952
06:42:24,770 --> 06:42:23,280
have I see a lot of Christian

9953
06:42:28,310 --> 06:42:24,780
philosophers why don't you have any

9954
06:42:31,910 --> 06:42:30,590
and so I said Mom I said we have a lot

9955
06:42:36,490 --> 06:42:31,920
of Jews they're all the atheist

9956
06:42:41,090 --> 06:42:38,930
Okay so

9957
06:42:43,010 --> 06:42:41,100
so Rob I'm gonna what we're doing this

9958
06:42:45,048 --> 06:42:43,020
year to finish it off is that we've

9959
06:42:47,330 --> 06:42:45,058
developed a new area of global

9960
06:42:50,030 --> 06:42:47,340
philosophy of religion in which we're

9961
06:42:52,310 --> 06:42:50,040
focusing on uh non-judeo-christian

9962
06:42:54,708 --> 06:42:52,320
religions Islam is very close of course

9963
06:42:57,890 --> 06:42:54,718
in the abrahamic Traditions but also

9964
06:43:00,830 --> 06:42:57,900
Hindu Buddhist philosophy uh and some of

9965
06:43:03,770 --> 06:43:00,840
the more obscure areas Baha'i faith

9966
06:43:08,448 --> 06:43:03,780
zoroastrinism

9967
06:43:11,270 --> 06:43:08,458
um uh Sufism uh seek is um Shinto is um

9968
06:43:13,490 --> 06:43:11,280
so we're trying to get some of the same

9969
06:43:14,990 --> 06:43:13,500
basic questions which are non-sectarian

9970
06:43:17,448 --> 06:43:15,000
but it drives through different

9971
06:43:19,970 --> 06:43:17,458
perspectives

9972
06:43:22,490 --> 06:43:19,980
so I know there are nine people here I

9973
06:43:24,288 --> 06:43:22,500
didn't even know that this stream yard

9974
06:43:26,690 --> 06:43:24,298
allows this many people there's a 10th

9975
06:43:29,628 --> 06:43:26,700
person the jockey right here

9976
06:43:31,310 --> 06:43:29,638
so glad this isn't crashing or just

9977
06:43:34,190 --> 06:43:31,320
giving me some error and everyone was

9978
06:43:35,810 --> 06:43:34,200
allowed to be in you can do 10. yeah

9979
06:43:41,110 --> 06:43:35,820
there is ten there's one extra person

9980
06:43:46,788 --> 06:43:44,390
hey Kurt um Kurt I've got to take off in

9981
06:43:49,310 --> 06:43:46,798
in a minute yeah but um I want to thank

9982
06:43:51,890 --> 06:43:49,320
you for having me on here briefly and

9983
06:43:55,548 --> 06:43:51,900
talking to everybody here and it was

9984
06:43:57,530 --> 06:43:55,558
good yeah yeah I I appreciate you coming

9985
06:43:58,788 --> 06:43:57,540
on it's it was it's lovely to have you

9986
06:44:01,310 --> 06:43:58,798
thank you for spending some of your

9987
06:44:03,948 --> 06:44:01,320
December 30th with me like you all like

9988
06:44:08,350 --> 06:44:03,958
Lou Robert Daniel

9989
06:44:10,430 --> 06:44:08,360
Chris Ross Ross is just chilling with me

9990
06:44:12,708 --> 06:44:10,440
in that chair

9991
06:44:15,530 --> 06:44:12,718
and Amy I haven't heard you speak up

9992
06:44:18,110 --> 06:44:15,540
much so I'm gonna Force some speech out

9993
06:44:20,510 --> 06:44:18,120
of you yes no please yes um I'm just

9994
06:44:23,930 --> 06:44:20,520
really excited to be here Pirates have a

9995
06:44:25,850 --> 06:44:23,940
good one yeah and before Amy I know I

9996
06:44:28,430 --> 06:44:25,860
just told you to speak up but I do need

9997
06:44:31,190 --> 06:44:28,440
to give an introduction to himself so

9998
06:44:34,010 --> 06:44:31,200
Lou please for the audience who may not

9999
06:44:35,448 --> 06:44:34,020
be aware of you give a an introduction

10000
06:44:36,708 --> 06:44:35,458
to yourself and then also to Lou reviews

10001
06:44:39,650 --> 06:44:36,718
please

10002
06:44:42,830 --> 06:44:39,660
uh yeah hi uh my name is Louise Jimenez

10003
06:44:47,090 --> 06:44:42,840
uh I um

10004
06:44:48,770 --> 06:44:47,100
yeah organized a um Grassroots efforts

10005
06:44:51,708 --> 06:44:48,780
for a national call in the Congress for

10006
06:44:54,470 --> 06:44:51,718
more clarity on the UAP topic

10007
06:44:57,590 --> 06:44:54,480
um and recently I've also added um

10008
06:44:59,750 --> 06:44:57,600
movies video games food reviews to my

10009
06:45:01,190 --> 06:44:59,760
channel so we'll be doing a lot of that

10010
06:45:02,810 --> 06:45:01,200
stuff too

10011
06:45:05,650 --> 06:45:02,820
and so yeah they're coming on are you

10012
06:45:09,288 --> 06:45:05,660
okay in a nutshell yeah

10013
06:45:10,730 --> 06:45:09,298
I'm doing great yeah okay

10014
06:45:16,190 --> 06:45:10,740
so

10015
06:45:17,930 --> 06:45:16,200
yes I just want to say this is such a

10016
06:45:19,970 --> 06:45:17,940
great you've done so amazing I've been

10017
06:45:22,430 --> 06:45:19,980
listening to it all day long you've had

10018
06:45:24,890 --> 06:45:22,440
such amazing guests I'm Blown Away by

10019
06:45:27,590 --> 06:45:24,900
all the people I'm around I really you

10020
06:45:29,390 --> 06:45:27,600
know great podcasters great people

10021
06:45:31,730 --> 06:45:29,400
um yeah I guess they just thank you so

10022
06:45:33,590 --> 06:45:31,740
much for having me here and just like to

10023
06:45:36,048 --> 06:45:33,600
piggyback kind of on what Ross was

10024
06:45:39,230 --> 06:45:36,058
saying about the information never

10025
06:45:41,150 --> 06:45:39,240
making it to the public right and that's

10026
06:45:42,708 --> 06:45:41,160
really the biggest concern of all and we

10027
06:45:44,750 --> 06:45:42,718
always talk about well you know

10028
06:45:47,330 --> 06:45:44,760
nothing's really happening and it's fun

10029
06:45:50,208 --> 06:45:47,340
because Lou Jimenez is here big phone

10030
06:45:52,910 --> 06:45:50,218
home guy right but there are politicians

10031
06:45:55,910 --> 06:45:52,920
like Tim birchett you know there's Marco

10032
06:45:57,470 --> 06:45:55,920
Rubio we all know and so I'm just really

10033
06:45:59,510 --> 06:45:57,480
excited that we're all just here talking

10034
06:46:01,368 --> 06:45:59,520
about it sometimes I think half of it is

10035
06:46:04,010 --> 06:46:01,378
just it's just talking about it it's

10036
06:46:05,510 --> 06:46:04,020
such a complex topic and when you can

10037
06:46:07,250 --> 06:46:05,520
finally link up with people who are

10038
06:46:08,628 --> 06:46:07,260
really trying to get to it so thank you

10039
06:46:10,610 --> 06:46:08,638
so much for putting this together thanks

10040
06:46:12,650 --> 06:46:10,620
for inviting me this is just I'm having

10041
06:46:14,868 --> 06:46:12,660
a lot of fun

10042
06:46:18,890 --> 06:46:14,878
so

10043
06:46:20,690 --> 06:46:18,900
Robert about UFOs

10044
06:46:22,730 --> 06:46:20,700
have you been asked about that on your

10045
06:46:25,910 --> 06:46:22,740
show and are you interested in exploring

10046
06:46:28,730 --> 06:46:25,920
it yeah that's a great question I think

10047
06:46:31,730 --> 06:46:28,740
that there are three areas that many

10048
06:46:34,968 --> 06:46:31,740
viewers ask about uh increasingly

10049
06:46:38,090 --> 06:46:34,978
especially as we've gone more Global it

10050
06:46:42,590 --> 06:46:38,100
used to be 100 in the U.S now we're

10051
06:46:46,250 --> 06:46:42,600
about 55 outside the US uh three the

10052
06:46:51,110 --> 06:46:46,260
three topics are uh ndes near death

10053
06:46:52,788 --> 06:46:51,120
experiences reincarnation and UFOs uh

10054
06:46:54,548 --> 06:46:52,798
uaps

10055
06:46:59,330 --> 06:46:54,558
um and

10056
06:47:02,650 --> 06:46:59,340
my primary response to to all of that is

10057
06:47:05,350 --> 06:47:02,660
that none of those subjects

10058
06:47:09,948 --> 06:47:05,360
are directly

10059
06:47:12,708 --> 06:47:09,958
aligned with the uh the very narrow

10060
06:47:15,048 --> 06:47:12,718
approach the closer the truth has which

10061
06:47:17,810 --> 06:47:15,058
is to use both the scientific and a

10062
06:47:20,570 --> 06:47:17,820
philosophical approach to it we don't

10063
06:47:22,128 --> 06:47:20,580
report the latest news in physics that's

10064
06:47:25,670 --> 06:47:22,138
not what we do we look for the

10065
06:47:28,430 --> 06:47:25,680
implications of it so the example I use

10066
06:47:31,788 --> 06:47:28,440
of when people ask us to do more of that

10067
06:47:34,010 --> 06:47:31,798
and I've taken that seriously in terms

10068
06:47:36,948 --> 06:47:34,020
of planning to do more about it because

10069
06:47:39,048 --> 06:47:36,958
I've resisted it in the past and the

10070
06:47:42,410 --> 06:47:39,058
example I've used is what we've done

10071
06:47:46,070 --> 06:47:42,420
with ESP and parapsychology because that

10072
06:47:48,890 --> 06:47:46,080
we have addressed in multiple uh shows

10073
06:47:51,410 --> 06:47:48,900
and videos many dozens of videos with

10074
06:47:54,770 --> 06:47:51,420
some of the leaders the things in the

10075
06:47:58,490 --> 06:47:54,780
field and what we don't do is try to be

10076
06:47:59,770 --> 06:47:58,500
the adjudicator of right acts of the

10077
06:48:02,810 --> 06:47:59,780
matter

10078
06:48:04,490 --> 06:48:02,820
because you know I'm not confident to do

10079
06:48:07,190 --> 06:48:04,500
that I think I'm pretty competent in a

10080
06:48:10,670 --> 06:48:07,200
lot of ways but I'm not competent to to

10081
06:48:12,708 --> 06:48:10,680
uh to do the statistical analysis I just

10082
06:48:15,250 --> 06:48:12,718
know that a lot of smart people on both

10083
06:48:18,770 --> 06:48:15,260
sides have very strong positions

10084
06:48:21,770 --> 06:48:18,780
with ESP and parapsychology

10085
06:48:23,510 --> 06:48:21,780
they do the existence of God to kind of

10086
06:48:24,890 --> 06:48:23,520
broaden it out

10087
06:48:28,850 --> 06:48:24,900
um and so it's about a connection

10088
06:48:31,968 --> 06:48:28,860
between the para parapsychology and UFOs

10089
06:48:34,430 --> 06:48:31,978
or the topic of UFOs almost never comes

10090
06:48:36,830 --> 06:48:34,440
up yeah so far the UFOs has not come up

10091
06:48:39,590 --> 06:48:36,840
but parapsychology and ESP is and the

10092
06:48:42,770 --> 06:48:39,600
way we approach it is assume it to be

10093
06:48:45,948 --> 06:48:42,780
true and I always make the caveat that I

10094
06:48:48,830 --> 06:48:45,958
don't assume it to be true but if it is

10095
06:48:50,750 --> 06:48:48,840
what what would it mean and how would it

10096
06:48:53,030 --> 06:48:50,760
work and what are some of the mechanisms

10097
06:48:55,490 --> 06:48:53,040
involved how could it work

10098
06:48:58,010 --> 06:48:55,500
um and explore from that kind of

10099
06:49:01,070 --> 06:48:58,020
perspective and I think we've had a

10100
06:49:05,510 --> 06:49:01,080
diverse number of ways of thinking about

10101
06:49:09,288 --> 06:49:05,520
uh ESP from just fewer pure kinds of uh

10102
06:49:13,510 --> 06:49:09,298
quasi physical uh manifestations of

10103
06:49:17,570 --> 06:49:13,520
brain waves and some hyper and Hyper

10104
06:49:19,868 --> 06:49:17,580
aware sense in a physical sense to very

10105
06:49:23,750 --> 06:49:19,878
extreme sense of multi-dimensional

10106
06:49:26,570 --> 06:49:23,760
approaches to mentality and and some

10107
06:49:28,788 --> 06:49:26,580
would would relate it to UFOs so the

10108
06:49:32,868 --> 06:49:28,798
only time we've dealt with UFO is just

10109
06:49:35,510 --> 06:49:32,878
been in in some

10110
06:49:37,788 --> 06:49:35,520
not the majority but a number of

10111
06:49:39,708 --> 06:49:37,798
explanations for extra sensory

10112
06:49:41,628 --> 06:49:39,718
perception kinds of things

10113
06:49:44,628 --> 06:49:41,638
and so

10114
06:49:46,670 --> 06:49:44,638
um you know that that is the way we

10115
06:49:48,650 --> 06:49:46,680
would have if we would approach and I

10116
06:49:50,990 --> 06:49:48,660
think we need to do more we will do more

10117
06:49:52,610 --> 06:49:51,000
on reincarnation because that affects

10118
06:49:55,548 --> 06:49:52,620
Global philosophy or religion how

10119
06:49:56,990 --> 06:49:55,558
different uh groups uh think about these

10120
06:50:00,410 --> 06:49:57,000
questions

10121
06:50:02,690 --> 06:50:00,420
um and you know open to the Future on on

10122
06:50:05,448 --> 06:50:02,700
thinking through some of some of the

10123
06:50:07,610 --> 06:50:05,458
issues uh you know I'm pretty much uh a

10124
06:50:11,448 --> 06:50:07,620
skeptic on everything I mean that's my

10125
06:50:13,490 --> 06:50:11,458
mental set on on all sides of the issue

10126
06:50:16,310 --> 06:50:13,500
um sometimes I don't even know where I

10127
06:50:17,930 --> 06:50:16,320
what I believe myself but every view I

10128
06:50:19,788 --> 06:50:17,940
have I want a subject to kind of

10129
06:50:24,048 --> 06:50:19,798
critical thinking

10130
06:50:26,628 --> 06:50:24,058
um so you know I I I I like to say that

10131
06:50:28,310 --> 06:50:26,638
um I keep an open mind but one eye is

10132
06:50:31,010 --> 06:50:28,320
always at least one eye is always

10133
06:50:34,310 --> 06:50:31,020
hypocritical

10134
06:50:37,850 --> 06:50:34,320
Rob Ross has to get going so I just want

10135
06:50:40,128 --> 06:50:37,860
to promote need to know as well as the

10136
06:50:41,330 --> 06:50:40,138
the book in plain sight

10137
06:50:42,850 --> 06:50:41,340
so

10138
06:50:45,590 --> 06:50:42,860
Ross please

10139
06:50:48,170 --> 06:50:45,600
good to talk to all of you and uh my

10140
06:50:50,810 --> 06:50:48,180
essentially New Year's Eve here today in

10141
06:50:53,150 --> 06:50:50,820
Australia and I hope all of us have a a

10142
06:50:56,628 --> 06:50:53,160
happy and uh let's say more peaceful

10143
06:50:59,448 --> 06:50:56,638
2023 and may it be an Illuminating one

10144
06:51:01,730 --> 06:50:59,458
on the UAP mystery best wishes to all of

10145
06:51:04,070 --> 06:51:01,740
you and um imminent happy New Year best

10146
06:51:06,650 --> 06:51:04,080
wishes amen thank you Ross for spending

10147
06:51:08,628 --> 06:51:06,660
some time with you especially for so

10148
06:51:10,548 --> 06:51:08,638
long man thank you no worries bye-bye

10149
06:51:13,610 --> 06:51:10,558
cheers

10150
06:51:17,930 --> 06:51:16,310
all right it's just us now Rob do you

10151
06:51:20,510 --> 06:51:17,940
consider yourself a podcaster or you

10152
06:51:22,310 --> 06:51:20,520
consider what is it that you

10153
06:51:24,530 --> 06:51:22,320
that's akin to podcasting it's

10154
06:51:26,090 --> 06:51:24,540
interviews it's like legit interviews

10155
06:51:27,590 --> 06:51:26,100
but

10156
06:51:29,270 --> 06:51:27,600
I'm curious what you classify yourself

10157
06:51:35,628 --> 06:51:29,280
as

10158
06:51:41,770 --> 06:51:35,638
myself other people can do it I just

10159
06:51:46,850 --> 06:51:44,270
three or four different forms that we've

10160
06:51:49,850 --> 06:51:46,860
used originally it was very high

10161
06:51:53,628 --> 06:51:49,860
production value interviews

10162
06:51:57,530 --> 06:51:53,638
um and conversations that we would do in

10163
06:52:00,288 --> 06:51:57,540
a very short segments of uh seven to

10164
06:52:02,990 --> 06:52:00,298
twelve minute segments when we do live

10165
06:52:05,810 --> 06:52:03,000
interviews on location I mean in person

10166
06:52:09,170 --> 06:52:05,820
location uh interviews and then those

10167
06:52:13,490 --> 06:52:09,180
would be uh used on our website and and

10168
06:52:16,490 --> 06:52:13,500
YouTube as whole uh little chunks and

10169
06:52:19,128 --> 06:52:16,500
then we take excerpts of that of each of

10170
06:52:20,990 --> 06:52:19,138
the segments two and a half or three and

10171
06:52:24,410 --> 06:52:21,000
a half minutes and weave them together

10172
06:52:27,650 --> 06:52:24,420
into half hour television shows so we've

10173
06:52:28,868 --> 06:52:27,660
now done over 300 television shows over

10174
06:52:33,010 --> 06:52:28,878
20 years

10175
06:52:35,390 --> 06:52:33,020
and most of them will have four to six

10176
06:52:38,090 --> 06:52:35,400
contributors in each one in which we've

10177
06:52:41,930 --> 06:52:38,100
honed down those particular interviews

10178
06:52:45,830 --> 06:52:41,940
and and create sort of a a narrative Arc

10179
06:52:48,650 --> 06:52:45,840
uh about a topic that is in general a

10180
06:52:52,250 --> 06:52:48,660
sophisticated topic like The Observer

10181
06:52:54,650 --> 06:52:52,260
and quantum mechanics or uh the

10182
06:52:57,850 --> 06:52:54,660
different mechanisms how the brain could

10183
06:53:02,150 --> 06:52:57,860
create mind or

10184
06:53:04,850 --> 06:53:02,160
the nature of of a deity if if it said

10185
06:53:06,650 --> 06:53:04,860
that God knows everything what does that

10186
06:53:08,990 --> 06:53:06,660
mean does that mean God knows the future

10187
06:53:11,570 --> 06:53:09,000
is there free will with that those kinds

10188
06:53:14,030 --> 06:53:11,580
of sophisticated kinds of questions that

10189
06:53:15,770 --> 06:53:14,040
we weave a narrative on and then of

10190
06:53:17,270 --> 06:53:15,780
course since the pandemic we've started

10191
06:53:20,750 --> 06:53:17,280
online

10192
06:53:22,968 --> 06:53:20,760
um interviews as as we're doing now

10193
06:53:26,690 --> 06:53:22,978
um and and that that has its own

10194
06:53:28,670 --> 06:53:26,700
different Cadence to it that uh is is

10195
06:53:30,830 --> 06:53:28,680
great we can reach more people that way

10196
06:53:34,010 --> 06:53:30,840
that we wouldn't ordinarily do because

10197
06:53:36,288 --> 06:53:34,020
in the past when you're on location uh

10198
06:53:38,208 --> 06:53:36,298
you really confined to the people that

10199
06:53:40,730 --> 06:53:38,218
you can bring to that vocation or

10200
06:53:43,930 --> 06:53:40,740
generally it's at a conference

10201
06:53:46,310 --> 06:53:43,940
um and that sometimes leads to a

10202
06:53:49,128 --> 06:53:46,320
homogeneous genetic that's not

10203
06:53:51,650 --> 06:53:49,138
appropriate which we we really need more

10204
06:53:53,030 --> 06:53:51,660
diversity in every every sense of the

10205
06:53:58,490 --> 06:53:53,040
word diversity

10206
06:54:04,628 --> 06:54:01,788
Amy please I want to hear from you

10207
06:54:08,448 --> 06:54:06,650
yeah so

10208
06:54:10,670 --> 06:54:08,458
um yeah I mean I agree with him about

10209
06:54:12,350 --> 06:54:10,680
the diversity of ideas and in fact it's

10210
06:54:14,750 --> 06:54:12,360
something that I think makes this whole

10211
06:54:17,628 --> 06:54:14,760
network of people incredibly interesting

10212
06:54:19,430 --> 06:54:17,638
is everybody bounces ideas off of each

10213
06:54:22,310 --> 06:54:19,440
other and sometimes we don't always

10214
06:54:25,010 --> 06:54:22,320
agree but you know

10215
06:54:27,110 --> 06:54:25,020
I I just I get so connected with people

10216
06:54:30,048 --> 06:54:27,120
in this community and I have so much fun

10217
06:54:32,690 --> 06:54:30,058
with people in this community and I just

10218
06:54:34,730 --> 06:54:32,700
you know I'm just really happy that we

10219
06:54:36,770 --> 06:54:34,740
all can connect on this like awesome day

10220
06:54:38,750 --> 06:54:36,780
with theories of everything with Kurt

10221
06:54:41,390 --> 06:54:38,760
and I just hope that people take in a

10222
06:54:43,788 --> 06:54:41,400
lot of the fun that can go with ufology

10223
06:54:45,890 --> 06:54:43,798
because I know we can get into these

10224
06:54:47,868 --> 06:54:45,900
these these ideas right which is like

10225
06:54:50,570 --> 06:54:47,878
their frauds they're not frauds blah

10226
06:54:52,968 --> 06:54:50,580
blah blah but like I think if we just

10227
06:54:56,030 --> 06:54:52,978
kind of realize that ufology is about

10228
06:55:01,070 --> 06:54:56,040
looking for the real UFO

10229
06:55:02,510 --> 06:55:01,080
I think when people focus on that a

10230
06:55:04,788 --> 06:55:02,520
little bit better it can really open up

10231
06:55:07,910 --> 06:55:04,798
a conversation to the possibilities that

10232
06:55:11,448 --> 06:55:07,920
we haven't even studied yet

10233
06:55:16,850 --> 06:55:13,548
the thought that comes to mind is

10234
06:55:21,590 --> 06:55:16,860
whether different intelligences would

10235
06:55:23,830 --> 06:55:21,600
come to similar formings in specific or

10236
06:55:27,650 --> 06:55:23,840
in general of theories of everything

10237
06:55:29,570 --> 06:55:27,660
would information Theory be something

10238
06:55:32,150 --> 06:55:29,580
with different kinds of pattern

10239
06:55:35,090 --> 06:55:32,160
recognition intelligences be shared or

10240
06:55:36,948 --> 06:55:35,100
communicable would they come to some of

10241
06:55:39,590 --> 06:55:36,958
the conclusions about Markov blankets

10242
06:55:41,930 --> 06:55:39,600
and how Markov blankets are related to

10243
06:55:45,048 --> 06:55:41,940
action and perception that we've come to

10244
06:55:49,548 --> 06:55:45,058
in active inference and communicating

10245
06:55:51,708 --> 06:55:49,558
across that blanket is as a non-ufo

10246
06:55:54,890 --> 06:55:51,718
researcher how I sometimes hear those

10247
06:55:58,250 --> 06:55:54,900
discussions what electromagnetic Spectra

10248
06:55:59,810 --> 06:55:58,260
and what kinds of semantics will be

10249
06:56:01,010 --> 06:55:59,820
conveyable and how can we have a

10250
06:56:03,468 --> 06:56:01,020
dialogue

10251
06:56:04,730 --> 06:56:03,478
synchronously or through time when there

10252
06:56:09,830 --> 06:56:04,740
might be entities that exist at

10253
06:56:14,150 --> 06:56:11,750
Lou I want to hear from you

10254
06:56:16,510 --> 06:56:14,160
if you don't Wow first thing I thought

10255
06:56:20,750 --> 06:56:16,520
of was an ansible

10256
06:56:22,910 --> 06:56:20,760
to communicate across great distances I

10257
06:56:23,990 --> 06:56:22,920
don't know if that would work in

10258
06:56:27,110 --> 06:56:24,000
um

10259
06:56:28,610 --> 06:56:27,120
I guess from uh yeah that's exactly

10260
06:56:30,830 --> 06:56:28,620
where it's from it's from Morrison Scott

10261
06:56:32,810 --> 06:56:30,840
card zenders game it's basically a

10262
06:56:35,868 --> 06:56:32,820
device that allows you to communicate

10263
06:56:37,730 --> 06:56:35,878
with people that are light years away

10264
06:56:40,128 --> 06:56:37,740
um in a quicker more efficient way

10265
06:56:42,590 --> 06:56:40,138
because you send an email to somebody

10266
06:56:46,010 --> 06:56:42,600
who's a thousand light years away and it

10267
06:56:48,410 --> 06:56:46,020
takes them a year to get it you know

10268
06:56:49,788 --> 06:56:48,420
um through with this ansible so it's

10269
06:56:52,850 --> 06:56:49,798
like every time you check in with

10270
06:56:54,890 --> 06:56:52,860
somebody it's it's like basically a year

10271
06:56:56,690 --> 06:56:54,900
after they sent it so so much has

10272
06:56:58,128 --> 06:56:56,700
happened already between the time you

10273
06:56:59,750 --> 06:56:58,138
opened that message and the time it was

10274
06:57:01,548 --> 06:56:59,760
sent so

10275
06:57:04,070 --> 06:57:01,558
that's what makes that's the first thing

10276
06:57:07,128 --> 06:57:04,080
I thought of uh well we're thinking of

10277
06:57:09,708 --> 06:57:07,138
like sort of the open-mindedness of it

10278
06:57:12,830 --> 06:57:09,718
um you know I've sort of

10279
06:57:15,650 --> 06:57:12,840
really cheap dental 180 on My Views when

10280
06:57:17,810 --> 06:57:15,660
it comes to the UFO topic

10281
06:57:19,570 --> 06:57:17,820
um you know I got really close to the

10282
06:57:23,090 --> 06:57:19,580
top

10283
06:57:25,368 --> 06:57:23,100
and uh and saw that I mean at least to

10284
06:57:28,548 --> 06:57:25,378
me this is just a really sophisticated

10285
06:57:31,310 --> 06:57:28,558
way to hide extraordinary top secret

10286
06:57:34,010 --> 06:57:31,320
Tech and holes in our national security

10287
06:57:34,730 --> 06:57:34,020
system that are really embarrassing

10288
06:57:36,468 --> 06:57:34,740
um

10289
06:57:38,270 --> 06:57:36,478
either way this story is still really

10290
06:57:42,288 --> 06:57:38,280
fun and interesting

10291
06:57:43,730 --> 06:57:42,298
um whatever the reality is of it uh but

10292
06:57:50,090 --> 06:57:43,740
yeah

10293
06:57:53,750 --> 06:57:50,100
say 2023 I just hope for more clarity

10294
06:57:56,448 --> 06:57:53,760
on it from all so do you think

10295
06:57:59,448 --> 06:57:56,458
is it okay so do you think that China

10296
06:58:01,430 --> 06:57:59,458
also has access to Tech like this and if

10297
06:58:03,110 --> 06:58:01,440
so I'm curious Robert what you would

10298
06:58:05,150 --> 06:58:03,120
think because he's you're an expert on

10299
06:58:08,150 --> 06:58:05,160
China at least you're the most

10300
06:58:10,430 --> 06:58:08,160
knowledgeable about it here

10301
06:58:11,810 --> 06:58:10,440
salute what would that like do you think

10302
06:58:13,490 --> 06:58:11,820
so do you think it's just the government

10303
06:58:14,990 --> 06:58:13,500
that has access to this technology you

10304
06:58:17,810 --> 06:58:15,000
think maybe China as well

10305
06:58:20,570 --> 06:58:17,820
no I don't think the China has access to

10306
06:58:24,830 --> 06:58:20,580
this kind of Technology

10307
06:58:26,208 --> 06:58:24,840
okay so Robert if you don't mind

10308
06:58:29,628 --> 06:58:26,218
I don't know if it's a foolish question

10309
06:58:32,510 --> 06:58:29,638
or not but is it possible that China has

10310
06:58:35,990 --> 06:58:32,520
Tech like that that we see in UFOs like

10311
06:58:38,230 --> 06:58:36,000
Tic Tacs and extraordinarily fast

10312
06:58:42,170 --> 06:58:38,240
craft

10313
06:58:44,770 --> 06:58:42,180
no no question is absurd I I like sure

10314
06:58:46,670 --> 06:58:44,780
great

10315
06:58:49,368 --> 06:58:46,680
yeah

10316
06:58:52,010 --> 06:58:49,378
the more the question is not whether

10317
06:58:55,070 --> 06:58:52,020
it's absurd whether it's absurd enough

10318
06:58:57,110 --> 06:58:55,080
uh that's a good way to kind of keep

10319
06:59:01,430 --> 06:58:57,120
keep our mind sharp

10320
06:59:03,890 --> 06:59:01,440
um you know I I'm not a believer in

10321
06:59:06,468 --> 06:59:03,900
a lot of conspiracy theories

10322
06:59:11,208 --> 06:59:06,478
um and so I do not believe that either

10323
06:59:15,590 --> 06:59:11,218
any government is providing super secret

10324
06:59:18,708 --> 06:59:15,600
information that that almost defies the

10325
06:59:21,650 --> 06:59:18,718
laws of physics uh that that's not

10326
06:59:24,110 --> 06:59:21,660
something that I would subscribe to

10327
06:59:26,810 --> 06:59:24,120
for any any country under any condition

10328
06:59:28,968 --> 06:59:26,820
there's no conspiracy in the media to

10329
06:59:32,330 --> 06:59:28,978
keep things quiet

10330
06:59:35,390 --> 06:59:32,340
um so I'm a hyper skeptic about all that

10331
06:59:38,270 --> 06:59:35,400
Kristen Garrett I'm not saying that

10332
06:59:41,230 --> 06:59:38,280
there aren't some some uh circumstances

10333
06:59:43,628 --> 06:59:41,240
some events that may not be explainable

10334
06:59:47,208 --> 06:59:43,638
but there

10335
06:59:50,150 --> 06:59:47,218
if that's the case the answer in my

10336
06:59:52,868 --> 06:59:50,160
opinion will certainly not be secret

10337
06:59:55,548 --> 06:59:52,878
government agencies in any country

10338
06:59:57,890 --> 06:59:55,558
developing these Technologies I think

10339
06:59:59,810 --> 06:59:57,900
that's impossible

10340
07:00:01,190 --> 06:59:59,820
well if you look at the recent Twitter

10341
07:00:04,128 --> 07:00:01,200
files I mean

10342
07:00:07,788 --> 07:00:04,138
it looks like conspiracy is kind of the

10343
07:00:09,350 --> 07:00:07,798
actual Norm you know all of those all of

10344
07:00:12,468 --> 07:00:09,360
the Twitter files conspiracy theories

10345
07:00:14,570 --> 07:00:12,478
basically maybe but proven true so I I

10346
07:00:16,850 --> 07:00:14,580
don't know and you look at when you know

10347
07:00:18,830 --> 07:00:16,860
Ross was talking about the snow job

10348
07:00:21,110 --> 07:00:18,840
I think if you look the the report was

10349
07:00:23,810 --> 07:00:21,120
supposed to release October 31st

10350
07:00:26,208 --> 07:00:23,820
and the weekend prior you basically had

10351
07:00:28,490 --> 07:00:26,218
Matt you know mainstream articles and

10352
07:00:31,910 --> 07:00:28,500
all the major papers right New York Post

10353
07:00:33,590 --> 07:00:31,920
Washington Times And basically

10354
07:00:35,208 --> 07:00:33,600
saying that there's nothing to see here

10355
07:00:36,410 --> 07:00:35,218
right before the report had even been

10356
07:00:39,708 --> 07:00:36,420
released

10357
07:00:41,810 --> 07:00:39,718
you basically have these you know kind

10358
07:00:43,368 --> 07:00:41,820
of lower journalist hacks I think Ross

10359
07:00:45,468 --> 07:00:43,378
called them but he didn't use a pleasant

10360
07:00:46,910 --> 07:00:45,478
term but basically they're releasing

10361
07:00:48,410 --> 07:00:46,920
these articles saying that there's

10362
07:00:50,030 --> 07:00:48,420
nothing to see in the report before the

10363
07:00:51,890 --> 07:00:50,040
report even comes out

10364
07:00:54,048 --> 07:00:51,900
and then woe and behold they get kind of

10365
07:00:55,968 --> 07:00:54,058
negative reaction from these articles

10366
07:00:57,948 --> 07:00:55,978
and then the report is still not out you

10367
07:00:59,690 --> 07:00:57,958
know it's still delayed so

10368
07:01:02,868 --> 07:00:59,700
I don't know and then you look there's

10369
07:01:05,930 --> 07:01:02,878
still no mainstream coverage at all of

10370
07:01:08,750 --> 07:01:05,940
the NBA 2023 I mean there's just nothing

10371
07:01:10,788 --> 07:01:08,760
it seems just it's markedly missing

10372
07:01:12,948 --> 07:01:10,798
and you look at the FBI collusion and

10373
07:01:15,288 --> 07:01:12,958
the Twitter files to control the the

10374
07:01:16,730 --> 07:01:15,298
actual media I mean it I don't know it

10375
07:01:18,468 --> 07:01:16,740
just seems like

10376
07:01:20,230 --> 07:01:18,478
I think what we're doing here is really

10377
07:01:23,090 --> 07:01:20,240
the way the step forward that that

10378
07:01:24,650 --> 07:01:23,100
Kurt's doing and just as we're linking

10379
07:01:26,208 --> 07:01:24,660
up these you know more connections you

10380
07:01:28,850 --> 07:01:26,218
know I know four more people now today

10381
07:01:30,590 --> 07:01:28,860
you know than I did before before this

10382
07:01:32,690 --> 07:01:30,600
podcast and now we're just linking up

10383
07:01:35,030 --> 07:01:32,700
and now information travels faster and

10384
07:01:36,770 --> 07:01:35,040
it doesn't matter what they what some

10385
07:01:38,330 --> 07:01:36,780
secret office sends to The Washington

10386
07:01:42,910 --> 07:01:38,340
Post because we're all just talking to

10387
07:01:47,810 --> 07:01:45,650
and your expeditions

10388
07:01:49,070 --> 07:01:47,820
and then I want to hear from Garrett

10389
07:01:51,170 --> 07:01:49,080
I'm sorry

10390
07:01:54,410 --> 07:01:51,180
can you talk about the work that you've

10391
07:01:56,628 --> 07:01:54,420
done this year with wave collapse

10392
07:01:59,330 --> 07:01:56,638
um so I was just thinking about that um

10393
07:02:01,788 --> 07:01:59,340
I had an interview with Dean radden he

10394
07:02:04,430 --> 07:02:01,798
works he's a scientist doctor at The

10395
07:02:08,390 --> 07:02:04,440
Institute of noetic Sciences and he's

10396
07:02:11,330 --> 07:02:08,400
proven now 14 out of 30 experiments have

10397
07:02:14,030 --> 07:02:11,340
proven that you can mentally think about

10398
07:02:16,430 --> 07:02:14,040
or observe the double set experiment at

10399
07:02:18,410 --> 07:02:16,440
distance and you can affect it so you

10400
07:02:20,330 --> 07:02:18,420
can collapse the wave function

10401
07:02:22,010 --> 07:02:20,340
uh and he proved that that was uh

10402
07:02:23,690 --> 07:02:22,020
distance independent

10403
07:02:25,610 --> 07:02:23,700
and so what that would mean is you could

10404
07:02:27,048 --> 07:02:25,620
put a Ouija board this is my idea or I

10405
07:02:28,670 --> 07:02:27,058
don't know my idea but anyway you could

10406
07:02:31,368 --> 07:02:28,680
put like a Ouija board or a keyboard

10407
07:02:32,868 --> 07:02:31,378
right on Mars and then you could sit

10408
07:02:34,070 --> 07:02:32,878
here on Earth and now you could just

10409
07:02:36,708 --> 07:02:34,080
think about

10410
07:02:39,170 --> 07:02:36,718
a the letter A you know

10411
07:02:40,850 --> 07:02:39,180
and that would if you had a sensitive

10412
07:02:43,490 --> 07:02:40,860
enough instrument now according to these

10413
07:02:45,830 --> 07:02:43,500
tests these experiments that Dean radden

10414
07:02:47,930 --> 07:02:45,840
did is you could detect that someone's

10415
07:02:49,670 --> 07:02:47,940
thinking about that letter A it

10416
07:02:51,288 --> 07:02:49,680
collapsed the wave function I think you

10417
07:02:53,510 --> 07:02:51,298
know from anywhere in the universe it'd

10418
07:02:55,610 --> 07:02:53,520
be non-local so in this case you could

10419
07:02:57,890 --> 07:02:55,620
just like think of a Ouija board and

10420
07:02:59,810 --> 07:02:57,900
transfer information anywhere in the

10421
07:03:01,730 --> 07:02:59,820
universe I don't know it seems like uh

10422
07:03:03,650 --> 07:03:01,740
it's very uh exciting so that's

10423
07:03:06,170 --> 07:03:03,660
collapsing the wave function with with

10424
07:03:08,090 --> 07:03:06,180
your brain I guess

10425
07:03:10,910 --> 07:03:08,100
Garrett what's on your mind

10426
07:03:12,468 --> 07:03:10,920
yeah well first of all thanks again for

10427
07:03:14,628 --> 07:03:12,478
having me and let me join in for this

10428
07:03:16,310 --> 07:03:14,638
conversation I it seems like there's

10429
07:03:18,230 --> 07:03:16,320
just about everybody who's in the room

10430
07:03:20,208 --> 07:03:18,240
right now is a podcaster or at least is

10431
07:03:21,110 --> 07:03:20,218
is making some kind of a kind of a

10432
07:03:22,730 --> 07:03:21,120
project that has to do with having

10433
07:03:25,430 --> 07:03:22,740
conversations right

10434
07:03:27,708 --> 07:03:25,440
I I kind of had a question sort of

10435
07:03:29,090 --> 07:03:27,718
directed at Robert and sort of at you

10436
07:03:31,250 --> 07:03:29,100
Kurt even

10437
07:03:34,788 --> 07:03:31,260
um about conversation because I've

10438
07:03:36,590 --> 07:03:34,798
noticed like obviously for I mean you

10439
07:03:38,090 --> 07:03:36,600
know anyways Kurt that I was doing you

10440
07:03:41,990 --> 07:03:38,100
know a project focused on conversation

10441
07:03:44,390 --> 07:03:42,000
for basically all of 2021

10442
07:03:47,690 --> 07:03:44,400
and I ended up kind of taking a lot of a

10443
07:03:49,788 --> 07:03:47,700
break this this past year because at a

10444
07:03:51,770 --> 07:03:49,798
certain point especially like if you if

10445
07:03:52,548 --> 07:03:51,780
you get honest and very

10446
07:03:54,650 --> 07:03:52,558
um

10447
07:03:56,030 --> 07:03:54,660
you actually ask the questions that

10448
07:03:57,288 --> 07:03:56,040
matter to you to a lot of different

10449
07:03:59,570 --> 07:03:57,298
people and really listen to their

10450
07:04:01,490 --> 07:03:59,580
answers it can be really emotionally

10451
07:04:03,708 --> 07:04:01,500
jarring it can be kind of overwhelming

10452
07:04:05,510 --> 07:04:03,718
in terms of taking in ideas and I wonder

10453
07:04:07,788 --> 07:04:05,520
like especially Robert you having spent

10454
07:04:10,208 --> 07:04:07,798
you said like 20 years talking to people

10455
07:04:12,590 --> 07:04:10,218
about very very deep topics

10456
07:04:15,170 --> 07:04:12,600
how do you like how do you keep an open

10457
07:04:16,670 --> 07:04:15,180
minded like you said and have kind of

10458
07:04:18,708 --> 07:04:16,680
one that's still looking critically

10459
07:04:20,628 --> 07:04:18,718
without kind of over correcting and

10460
07:04:22,788 --> 07:04:20,638
becoming too critical and while still

10461
07:04:26,570 --> 07:04:22,798
yeah it's still being open

10462
07:04:28,250 --> 07:04:26,580
I think over correcting is a very uh a

10463
07:04:32,090 --> 07:04:28,260
very good point to highlight because

10464
07:04:35,270 --> 07:04:32,100
there's always a danger in that in uh in

10465
07:04:37,730 --> 07:04:35,280
virtually everything that one does in

10466
07:04:40,548 --> 07:04:37,740
controversial areas

10467
07:04:42,230 --> 07:04:40,558
um that you you want to you want to

10468
07:04:44,930 --> 07:04:42,240
create the right of what you think is

10469
07:04:47,390 --> 07:04:44,940
the right impression and so you take the

10470
07:04:49,128 --> 07:04:47,400
opposite side to something that you

10471
07:04:52,910 --> 07:04:49,138
don't agree with and I think that's a

10472
07:04:56,090 --> 07:04:52,920
danger so I I'm I'm aware of that

10473
07:04:59,270 --> 07:04:56,100
um I I I I I I can't tell you that I've

10474
07:05:01,430 --> 07:04:59,280
gotten either uh bored or overwhelmed

10475
07:05:02,390 --> 07:05:01,440
after doing

10476
07:05:05,810 --> 07:05:02,400
um

10477
07:05:09,948 --> 07:05:05,820
know thousands of of uh of interview

10478
07:05:12,310 --> 07:05:09,958
questions with many hundreds maybe 500

10479
07:05:14,810 --> 07:05:12,320
people over these years in in

10480
07:05:18,230 --> 07:05:14,820
substantial depth

10481
07:05:22,010 --> 07:05:18,240
um I I can't tell you why I am any

10482
07:05:23,090 --> 07:05:22,020
closer to any real answers but I can

10483
07:05:26,208 --> 07:05:23,100
tell you is that the question you get

10484
07:05:29,030 --> 07:05:26,218
the most are you closer right right is

10485
07:05:31,310 --> 07:05:29,040
it we're usually you people

10486
07:05:32,810 --> 07:05:31,320
um always put a definitive article in

10487
07:05:35,330 --> 07:05:32,820
there and say are you closer to the

10488
07:05:37,788 --> 07:05:35,340
truth or I like watching closer to the

10489
07:05:40,430 --> 07:05:37,798
truth and I always correct them and say

10490
07:05:43,968 --> 07:05:40,440
it's not the truth it's closer to Truth

10491
07:05:46,270 --> 07:05:43,978
uh when it first started the manager of

10492
07:05:49,670 --> 07:05:46,280
the small PBS station that we started on

10493
07:05:52,968 --> 07:05:49,680
said when we talked about the title

10494
07:05:54,708 --> 07:05:52,978
closer to the truth and I said that's

10495
07:05:56,690 --> 07:05:54,718
not what this is going to be about it

10496
07:05:59,270 --> 07:05:56,700
can't be the truth it has to be closer

10497
07:06:03,110 --> 07:05:59,280
to true the present progressive kind of

10498
07:06:04,150 --> 07:06:03,120
understanding and when people have asked

10499
07:06:11,090 --> 07:06:04,160
me

10500
07:06:14,690 --> 07:06:11,100
years I say I I appreciate

10501
07:06:16,670 --> 07:06:14,700
questions more I deeply understand the

10502
07:06:20,090 --> 07:06:16,680
questions in all of these categories

10503
07:06:23,390 --> 07:06:20,100
much more than I ever did and in fact I

10504
07:06:25,490 --> 07:06:23,400
love the questions and I luxuriate in

10505
07:06:28,070 --> 07:06:25,500
the questions themselves in their

10506
07:06:31,448 --> 07:06:28,080
specificity in how they articulate

10507
07:06:33,730 --> 07:06:31,458
together and that gives me a kind of

10508
07:06:37,548 --> 07:06:33,740
satisfaction

10509
07:06:40,190 --> 07:06:37,558
do I have a chance on answers I may but

10510
07:06:43,310 --> 07:06:40,200
I don't if I would I wouldn't take my

10511
07:06:45,288 --> 07:06:43,320
own opinions to Syria but I mean you're

10512
07:06:47,150 --> 07:06:45,298
asking high-stakes questions how do you

10513
07:06:49,190 --> 07:06:47,160
how do you engage with those like that

10514
07:06:50,930 --> 07:06:49,200
deeply unless I mean you must have some

10515
07:06:52,730 --> 07:06:50,940
sort of something grounding you that's

10516
07:06:56,030 --> 07:06:52,740
keeping you from feeling the anxiety of

10517
07:06:58,788 --> 07:06:56,040
like of the answers you know

10518
07:07:01,368 --> 07:06:58,798
yeah I I think you know I have a normal

10519
07:07:02,930 --> 07:07:01,378
life I have a family life and I deal

10520
07:07:04,330 --> 07:07:02,940
with other things in the world that's

10521
07:07:07,010 --> 07:07:04,340
very grounding

10522
07:07:08,448 --> 07:07:07,020
Carl Jung said that as well he said

10523
07:07:09,890 --> 07:07:08,458
that's what separates him from Nietzsche

10524
07:07:11,750 --> 07:07:09,900
is that Nietzsche could just go along

10525
07:07:13,670 --> 07:07:11,760
with his ideas and he didn't have a wife

10526
07:07:16,490 --> 07:07:13,680
he didn't have commitments to other

10527
07:07:18,350 --> 07:07:16,500
people and I just even just reading that

10528
07:07:20,690 --> 07:07:18,360
alone has helped me psychologically

10529
07:07:22,368 --> 07:07:20,700
tremendously to know that there is such

10530
07:07:24,708 --> 07:07:22,378
a thing as being too much in your head

10531
07:07:26,510 --> 07:07:24,718
and floating above and getting carried

10532
07:07:28,310 --> 07:07:26,520
away by the wind

10533
07:07:29,690 --> 07:07:28,320
sorry I interrupted your answer Robert

10534
07:07:31,010 --> 07:07:29,700
and then I want to hear Daniel I want to

10535
07:07:35,090 --> 07:07:31,020
hear what your answer is to the same

10536
07:07:41,208 --> 07:07:37,730
sorry Robert I interrupted you no it's

10537
07:07:43,788 --> 07:07:41,218
it that's perfectly fine uh I think the

10538
07:07:47,150 --> 07:07:43,798
grounding is is good I have you know two

10539
07:07:50,150 --> 07:07:47,160
kinds of grounding one is the uh his

10540
07:07:52,010 --> 07:07:50,160
family and responsibilities uh for

10541
07:07:55,850 --> 07:07:52,020
family and children and grandchildren

10542
07:07:59,690 --> 07:07:55,860
and all the things that flow from that

10543
07:08:01,548 --> 07:07:59,700
um and then the other part of my life is

10544
07:08:04,910 --> 07:08:01,558
primary related

10545
07:08:06,288 --> 07:08:04,920
most people who know me either know me

10546
07:08:09,410 --> 07:08:06,298
for close to the truth or know me from

10547
07:08:12,048 --> 07:08:09,420
China very few associate the two and if

10548
07:08:14,208 --> 07:08:12,058
people ask me I'm very surprised when

10549
07:08:15,590 --> 07:08:14,218
I'm in my China mode that I do closer to

10550
07:08:18,410 --> 07:08:15,600
truth which seems radically different

10551
07:08:20,390 --> 07:08:18,420
which is uh I always say well that's my

10552
07:08:22,850 --> 07:08:20,400
evil twin brother I don't really talk

10553
07:08:25,128 --> 07:08:22,860
that very much which one's the evil one

10554
07:08:26,868 --> 07:08:25,138
the China One well whoever's asking me

10555
07:08:30,490 --> 07:08:26,878
the other one

10556
07:08:36,288 --> 07:08:32,990
because of the truth the China guy is

10557
07:08:38,750 --> 07:08:36,298
the evil even the evil twin

10558
07:08:40,368 --> 07:08:38,760
um and so you know but that generally

10559
07:08:42,650 --> 07:08:40,378
gets me off the hook

10560
07:08:45,770 --> 07:08:42,660
yeah

10561
07:08:48,650 --> 07:08:45,780
please

10562
07:08:51,170 --> 07:08:48,660
I would second all of these embodied

10563
07:08:53,510 --> 07:08:51,180
groundings and to provide a more

10564
07:08:56,510 --> 07:08:53,520
conceptual answer it made me think of

10565
07:08:59,570 --> 07:08:56,520
the quotation by Lev fagotsky which is

10566
07:09:04,368 --> 07:08:59,580
through others we become ourselves and

10567
07:09:07,070 --> 07:09:04,378
so in dialogue it isn't necessarily just

10568
07:09:09,530 --> 07:09:07,080
getting whiplashed around and taking on

10569
07:09:12,170 --> 07:09:09,540
the other person's position in our heart

10570
07:09:14,868 --> 07:09:12,180
but it is about entertaining what is

10571
07:09:18,110 --> 07:09:14,878
said and about listening attentively and

10572
07:09:20,390 --> 07:09:18,120
probing actively and after a

10573
07:09:22,070 --> 07:09:20,400
conversation a research or a personal

10574
07:09:25,788 --> 07:09:22,080
conversation

10575
07:09:28,910 --> 07:09:25,798
I find that it's possible to feel more

10576
07:09:31,850 --> 07:09:28,920
of who I am more distinctive in that

10577
07:09:33,890 --> 07:09:31,860
sense and also more aligned with a

10578
07:09:38,628 --> 07:09:33,900
broader individual and Collective

10579
07:09:42,170 --> 07:09:38,638
purpose so seeing conversations not

10580
07:09:44,930 --> 07:09:42,180
merely for the information overload and

10581
07:09:48,770 --> 07:09:44,940
cognitive distances that they can induce

10582
07:09:51,468 --> 07:09:48,780
but also as these incremental stages of

10583
07:09:54,468 --> 07:09:51,478
differentiation by which we become who

10584
07:09:55,850 --> 07:09:54,478
we truly are and carry out the work that

10585
07:09:57,850 --> 07:09:55,860
we're here to do

10586
07:10:00,468 --> 07:09:57,860
hmm

10587
07:10:02,510 --> 07:10:00,478
and on the other hand it's important to

10588
07:10:05,330 --> 07:10:02,520
recognize the opposite problem which is

10589
07:10:08,390 --> 07:10:05,340
that after dealing with the kinds of

10590
07:10:10,670 --> 07:10:08,400
ultimate questions that some of us go

10591
07:10:13,310 --> 07:10:10,680
with Kirk you do and assume some of the

10592
07:10:16,310 --> 07:10:13,320
others uh that you can become employed

10593
07:10:19,730 --> 07:10:16,320
to it you can habituate and they they

10594
07:10:22,010 --> 07:10:19,740
can lose their power and it dulls your

10595
07:10:23,930 --> 07:10:22,020
senses and so I'm aware of that

10596
07:10:25,310 --> 07:10:23,940
possibility that that's not you know

10597
07:10:27,170 --> 07:10:25,320
I've not had that problem the question

10598
07:10:29,448 --> 07:10:27,180
yeah yeah I'm not at this they have too

10599
07:10:31,128 --> 07:10:29,458
much power these questions right now I

10600
07:10:34,128 --> 07:10:31,138
look forward to that

10601
07:10:36,288 --> 07:10:34,138
so Amy and Lou as an ending question and

10602
07:10:37,548 --> 07:10:36,298
I gotta kick you all out as much as I

10603
07:10:39,350 --> 07:10:37,558
want you here my

10604
07:10:41,510 --> 07:10:39,360
my room here

10605
07:10:44,350 --> 07:10:41,520
I'm I want to know what are you most

10606
07:10:47,270 --> 07:10:44,360
grateful for this year

10607
07:10:50,330 --> 07:10:47,280
yeah do you want to go first Lou

10608
07:10:52,010 --> 07:10:50,340
oh I know please leave me after you no

10609
07:10:54,230 --> 07:10:52,020
thank you

10610
07:10:57,288 --> 07:10:54,240
um my family honestly

10611
07:10:59,330 --> 07:10:57,298
um my daughter and my husband I love

10612
07:11:00,350 --> 07:10:59,340
them more than anything just the health

10613
07:11:04,490 --> 07:11:00,360
and

10614
07:11:06,410 --> 07:11:04,500
blessed with you know a bunch of people

10615
07:11:07,730 --> 07:11:06,420
in my life who I love and I can connect

10616
07:11:09,890 --> 07:11:07,740
with

10617
07:11:11,390 --> 07:11:09,900
um and just you know all the things that

10618
07:11:13,910 --> 07:11:11,400
we do with people

10619
07:11:16,548 --> 07:11:13,920
wow just working with some of the people

10620
07:11:19,070 --> 07:11:16,558
in my life like in my in my regular day

10621
07:11:21,048 --> 07:11:19,080
like my whole days very much centered

10622
07:11:24,288 --> 07:11:21,058
around emphasizing much bigger issues

10623
07:11:28,250 --> 07:11:24,298
that are going on with with UFOs and

10624
07:11:31,070 --> 07:11:28,260
with aliens and you know so I'm I guess

10625
07:11:33,110 --> 07:11:31,080
I guess you could say yeah that's what

10626
07:11:35,270 --> 07:11:33,120
I'd say with that I'm very grateful and

10627
07:11:37,070 --> 07:11:35,280
being here thank you so much and it's

10628
07:11:40,490 --> 07:11:37,080
been a great 2022 I think we've got a

10629
07:11:42,830 --> 07:11:40,500
lot to look forward to in 2023

10630
07:11:45,048 --> 07:11:42,840
I'm grateful to have you all here like

10631
07:11:46,910 --> 07:11:45,058
yeah again thank you

10632
07:11:49,670 --> 07:11:46,920
that yeah I don't wanna that sounds like

10633
07:11:51,350 --> 07:11:49,680
an ending piece so Lou you please go uh

10634
07:11:53,810 --> 07:11:51,360
yeah I mean I'll double down on that you

10635
07:11:56,690 --> 07:11:53,820
know um family and friends outside of

10636
07:11:59,150 --> 07:11:56,700
the internet you know like tangible

10637
07:12:01,490 --> 07:11:59,160
human connections and people that

10638
07:12:03,830 --> 07:12:01,500
actually care about you

10639
07:12:06,170 --> 07:12:03,840
um those are those are the the

10640
07:12:09,530 --> 07:12:06,180
connections that I am most thankful for

10641
07:12:11,930 --> 07:12:09,540
in 2022 and I hope to make those

10642
07:12:14,510 --> 07:12:11,940
obviously stronger and hope all of yours

10643
07:12:17,030 --> 07:12:14,520
are stronger in the in the new year

10644
07:12:19,368 --> 07:12:17,040
you know what if you can circulate just

10645
07:12:21,410 --> 07:12:19,378
uh who I see names but I'm not sure who

10646
07:12:23,030 --> 07:12:21,420
was who is watching circulate who the

10647
07:12:26,510 --> 07:12:23,040
names are and what their websites are

10648
07:12:29,930 --> 07:12:26,520
yeah yeah it's a great great so Amy it's

10649
07:12:32,690 --> 07:12:29,940
from Alien girl11 which is your YouTube

10650
07:12:34,968 --> 07:12:32,700
channel as well as your Twitter handle

10651
07:12:37,968 --> 07:12:34,978
okay great this is correct

10652
07:12:40,548 --> 07:12:37,978
Garrett Vandenberg I'm not quite sure

10653
07:12:43,310 --> 07:12:40,558
what you're promoting right now why are

10654
07:12:45,110 --> 07:12:43,320
you here why am I here well yeah I I

10655
07:12:47,150 --> 07:12:45,120
have still my podcast which is

10656
07:12:48,530 --> 07:12:47,160
technically not not totally inactive I

10657
07:12:49,788 --> 07:12:48,540
still post clips and stuff occasionally

10658
07:12:51,948 --> 07:12:49,798
and I've been on some other people's

10659
07:12:53,690 --> 07:12:51,958
podcasts but the project I'm more

10660
07:12:56,110 --> 07:12:53,700
focused on this year is a musical one

10661
07:13:00,230 --> 07:12:56,120
I'm uh writing and releasing a

10662
07:13:02,030 --> 07:13:00,240
meditational uh album basically for to

10663
07:13:04,128 --> 07:13:02,040
help calm your nerves when thinking

10664
07:13:07,010 --> 07:13:04,138
through deep questions whether about

10665
07:13:09,310 --> 07:13:07,020
UFOs or about deep metaphysical things

10666
07:13:11,930 --> 07:13:09,320
but yeah it's it's sort of

10667
07:13:13,430 --> 07:13:11,940
what's it called yoga it's called

10668
07:13:14,750 --> 07:13:13,440
unknown and you can you can already

10669
07:13:18,110 --> 07:13:14,760
listen to some of the songs if you look

10670
07:13:23,628 --> 07:13:21,650
okay and Lou and also who is in the

10671
07:13:26,208 --> 07:13:23,638
waiting room I see you your name starts

10672
07:13:29,150 --> 07:13:26,218
with a C I don't want to spoil it but I

10673
07:13:33,708 --> 07:13:29,160
see you just a moment

10674
07:13:35,810 --> 07:13:33,718
yeah um my blue reviews uh just YouTube

10675
07:13:37,190 --> 07:13:35,820
that and you'll find it and at Lou

10676
07:13:41,390 --> 07:13:37,200
ageless on Twitter

10677
07:13:43,850 --> 07:13:41,400
Lewis spelled Lu yes

10678
07:13:46,548 --> 07:13:43,860
Daniel Daniel active inference Institute

10679
07:13:50,150 --> 07:13:46,558
if you've watched some of the Carl

10680
07:13:53,048 --> 07:13:50,160
friston Behemoth podcasts

10681
07:13:55,788 --> 07:13:53,058
you will enjoy

10682
07:13:58,010 --> 07:13:55,798
Daniel's podcast or Daniel's channel

10683
07:14:00,230 --> 07:13:58,020
it's more than just a podcast

10684
07:14:02,208 --> 07:14:00,240
it's an open Science Institute everybody

10685
07:14:04,128 --> 07:14:02,218
is welcome to learn and apply all

10686
07:14:07,368 --> 07:14:04,138
languages and math backgrounds everybody

10687
07:14:09,708 --> 07:14:07,378
can act in first serve

10688
07:14:14,448 --> 07:14:09,718
Chris

10689
07:14:16,490 --> 07:14:14,458
later files on YouTube and I just

10690
07:14:18,410 --> 07:14:16,500
released actually tonight and everybody

10691
07:14:20,030 --> 07:14:18,420
was here so there wasn't many people at

10692
07:14:21,890 --> 07:14:20,040
the premiere actually but released a

10693
07:14:23,750 --> 07:14:21,900
mini series episode one sorry about that

10694
07:14:24,890 --> 07:14:23,760
now we're a thousand people watching I

10695
07:14:27,048 --> 07:14:24,900
wanted to change it but I normally

10696
07:14:29,208 --> 07:14:27,058
release on Fridays you know but no great

10697
07:14:31,128 --> 07:14:29,218
show here everybody's been here so check

10698
07:14:33,708 --> 07:14:31,138
out the mini series after episode one on

10699
07:14:35,690 --> 07:14:33,718
Mount Wilson Ranch Journey to the cave

10700
07:14:36,890 --> 07:14:35,700
so interesting stuff there with Carl

10701
07:14:38,390 --> 07:14:36,900
Crusher

10702
07:14:41,750 --> 07:14:38,400
yeah it just

10703
07:14:45,110 --> 07:14:41,760
thanks and Robert Kuhn closer to truth

10704
07:14:47,030 --> 07:14:45,120
that like I don't it doesn't need an

10705
07:14:49,610 --> 07:14:47,040
introduction or an outro technically but

10706
07:14:52,368 --> 07:14:49,620
Robert please talk about it some more

10707
07:14:54,350 --> 07:14:52,378
and it's it's simple for anyone to

10708
07:14:56,090 --> 07:14:54,360
search it it's closer to truth you just

10709
07:14:59,270 --> 07:14:56,100
search that on Google or on YouTube and

10710
07:15:01,010 --> 07:14:59,280
you'll find the essentially High super

10711
07:15:03,708 --> 07:15:01,020
high quality versions of every single

10712
07:15:06,170 --> 07:15:03,718
intellectual you'd want a question posed

10713
07:15:08,330 --> 07:15:06,180
to who's currently living or well yes

10714
07:15:09,530 --> 07:15:08,340
who's currently living and and the

10715
07:15:10,670 --> 07:15:09,540
questions that you would like post to

10716
07:15:13,250 --> 07:15:10,680
them that are philosophical are

10717
07:15:16,490 --> 07:15:13,260
generally posed by Robert we still have

10718
07:15:19,490 --> 07:15:16,500
a lot a lot more to go I'm I'm the more

10719
07:15:22,190 --> 07:15:19,500
interviews we do the longer my list gets

10720
07:15:24,048 --> 07:15:22,200
uh so yeah we'll have to go into the

10721
07:15:25,910 --> 07:15:24,058
23rd Millennium before we can get there

10722
07:15:29,930 --> 07:15:25,920
everyone I find that to be the case as

10723
07:15:32,510 --> 07:15:29,940
well Rob Robert sorry because I get in I

10724
07:15:34,548 --> 07:15:32,520
get emailed on a daily basis people's

10725
07:15:37,128 --> 07:15:34,558
toes and I still encourage that

10726
07:15:38,990 --> 07:15:37,138
because I I tag them and eventually I

10727
07:15:41,208 --> 07:15:39,000
would like to go through them

10728
07:15:42,830 --> 07:15:41,218
but it's a growing list and so someone

10729
07:15:45,048 --> 07:15:42,840
that I said two years ago yeah I'll get

10730
07:15:47,628 --> 07:15:45,058
to you in three months now that's that's

10731
07:15:50,570 --> 07:15:47,638
I can't even see that that's that's

10732
07:15:52,788 --> 07:15:50,580
years in the future and I would love to

10733
07:15:55,490 --> 07:15:52,798
speak with you Robert just on what your

10734
07:15:58,850 --> 07:15:55,500
insights have been and how you navigate

10735
07:16:01,690 --> 07:15:58,860
questioning the questions of these

10736
07:16:09,590 --> 07:16:06,230
this is such yeah I I would extremely

10737
07:16:13,190 --> 07:16:09,600
tumultuous topics yeah I would I would

10738
07:16:15,530 --> 07:16:13,200
uh conclude with one thought which has

10739
07:16:19,250 --> 07:16:15,540
developed uh really over the last couple

10740
07:16:24,530 --> 07:16:19,260
of years not not before and that is the

10741
07:16:27,048 --> 07:16:24,540
universal uh ubiquity and uh interest in

10742
07:16:29,628 --> 07:16:27,058
the kinds of subjects that we we talk

10743
07:16:33,770 --> 07:16:29,638
about which gives me uh great

10744
07:16:36,110 --> 07:16:33,780
encouragement for humankind because a

10745
07:16:37,310 --> 07:16:36,120
lot of the other data that we have goes

10746
07:16:40,430 --> 07:16:37,320
in the other direction

10747
07:16:44,270 --> 07:16:40,440
uh but we get and I'm sure you do two

10748
07:16:46,010 --> 07:16:44,280
curtain up others uh literally from 190

10749
07:16:50,350 --> 07:16:46,020
countries

10750
07:16:54,708 --> 07:16:50,360
um and from every ethnicity race

10751
07:16:56,390 --> 07:16:54,718
religion uh and the characteristics are

10752
07:16:59,570 --> 07:16:56,400
are so similar

10753
07:17:02,090 --> 07:16:59,580
and that to me is is uh is a very good

10754
07:17:06,368 --> 07:17:02,100
sign so kinds of things we deal with

10755
07:17:11,330 --> 07:17:06,378
have no sectarian nature about them

10756
07:17:14,510 --> 07:17:11,340
and and are a wonderful antidote I

10757
07:17:18,770 --> 07:17:14,520
believe to the poison of sectarianism

10758
07:17:20,830 --> 07:17:18,780
and tribalism and nationalism when taken

10759
07:17:24,530 --> 07:17:20,840
to an extreme as we see in many places

10760
07:17:26,390 --> 07:17:24,540
uh in the world so although that's not

10761
07:17:28,250 --> 07:17:26,400
that has never been my primary

10762
07:17:30,770 --> 07:17:28,260
motivation or even my motivation at all

10763
07:17:34,010 --> 07:17:30,780
it was the questions themselves I've

10764
07:17:36,230 --> 07:17:34,020
come to see that these questions do have

10765
07:17:38,810 --> 07:17:36,240
a salutatory effect in bringing people

10766
07:17:41,150 --> 07:17:38,820
together that I could never have

10767
07:17:45,170 --> 07:17:41,160
imagined I mean there are many people

10768
07:17:47,590 --> 07:17:45,180
who have my Same upbringings by saying

10769
07:17:49,810 --> 07:17:47,600
scientific training

10770
07:17:51,968 --> 07:17:49,820
the same

10771
07:17:56,030 --> 07:17:51,978
ethnicity

10772
07:17:57,890 --> 07:17:56,040
and who with whom I I have you know just

10773
07:18:00,350 --> 07:17:57,900
casual relationships on the other hand

10774
07:18:02,868 --> 07:18:00,360
there are people in the world of

10775
07:18:05,868 --> 07:18:02,878
completely different religious ethnicity

10776
07:18:08,330 --> 07:18:05,878
points of view who who I am unified with

10777
07:18:11,030 --> 07:18:08,340
in communication about these types of

10778
07:18:13,968 --> 07:18:11,040
subjects and I feel closer to them

10779
07:18:16,310 --> 07:18:13,978
because of the unification that we feel

10780
07:18:18,948 --> 07:18:16,320
in these kinds of topics so

10781
07:18:20,868 --> 07:18:18,958
um you know I've just I've just had that

10782
07:18:23,150 --> 07:18:20,878
since in the last couple of years maybe

10783
07:18:25,850 --> 07:18:23,160
since the pandemic actually which has

10784
07:18:29,468 --> 07:18:25,860
been a catalyst for that but to me it's

10785
07:18:31,910 --> 07:18:29,478
a sign it's a it's a a good sign of Hope

10786
07:18:33,890 --> 07:18:31,920
Which flies against a lot of the other

10787
07:18:35,330 --> 07:18:33,900
things we say

10788
07:18:37,190 --> 07:18:35,340
so

10789
07:18:39,230 --> 07:18:37,200
okay well thank you all for coming

10790
07:18:42,890 --> 07:18:39,240
speaking of bringing such a right tag

10791
07:18:44,868 --> 07:18:42,900
set of individuals who welcome thank you

10792
07:18:47,030 --> 07:18:44,878
all thank you all for coming I gotta let

10793
07:18:48,170 --> 07:18:47,040
you all go because I have to bring in

10794
07:18:50,208 --> 07:18:48,180
the next guest

10795
07:18:52,190 --> 07:18:50,218
and Chris I know that you have a toe

10796
07:18:54,170 --> 07:18:52,200
yourself and I would like to hear more

10797
07:18:56,750 --> 07:18:54,180
about your toe so if you could stay on

10798
07:18:58,150 --> 07:18:56,760
for another 15 minutes at some point if

10799
07:19:01,750 --> 07:18:58,160
you can

10800
07:19:06,410 --> 07:19:01,760
yeah all right thank you

10801
07:19:09,948 --> 07:19:08,030
yeah thanks again spending your December

10802
07:19:11,650 --> 07:19:09,958
30th like some of your precious time I I

10803
07:19:15,230 --> 07:19:11,660
appreciate that thank you for waiting

10804
07:19:17,030 --> 07:19:15,240
like thank you thank you yeah happy

10805
07:19:19,910 --> 07:19:17,040
being here everybody happy new toe happy

10806
07:19:24,830 --> 07:19:19,920
new toe to all yeah

10807
07:19:30,170 --> 07:19:27,230
the next guest is home Kelleher thank

10808
07:19:30,830 --> 07:19:30,180
you home for waiting for so long look at

10809
07:19:35,030 --> 07:19:30,840
you

10810
07:19:37,850 --> 07:19:35,040
like a boss there well I'm actually uh

10811
07:19:39,708 --> 07:19:37,860
still at my day job which is

10812
07:19:41,150 --> 07:19:39,718
um in the background they're a big low

10813
07:19:43,128 --> 07:19:41,160
Institute for God there's just no

10814
07:19:45,288 --> 07:19:43,138
studies but

10815
07:19:47,570 --> 07:19:45,298
um yeah I asked for a projection behind

10816
07:19:49,570 --> 07:19:47,580
you in 20 minutes or so but uh I just

10817
07:19:52,070 --> 07:19:49,580
wanted to come on to

10818
07:19:54,830 --> 07:19:52,080
congratulate you for so many different

10819
07:19:57,530 --> 07:19:54,840
really good shows during the year

10820
07:19:59,090 --> 07:19:57,540
um it's it's been a really

10821
07:20:03,530 --> 07:19:59,100
um I think good year

10822
07:20:06,770 --> 07:20:03,540
and uh May 2023 be even better

10823
07:20:09,110 --> 07:20:06,780
thank you thank you so just so you know

10824
07:20:12,350 --> 07:20:09,120
Sam here who's the jockey more than just

10825
07:20:15,048 --> 07:20:12,360
that but today serving is the is the

10826
07:20:17,330 --> 07:20:15,058
is the mediator of all of this his

10827
07:20:18,350 --> 07:20:17,340
favorite episode on toe from 2022 was

10828
07:20:23,208 --> 07:20:18,360
yours

10829
07:20:26,810 --> 07:20:23,218
oh that's down that's all right thank

10830
07:20:30,590 --> 07:20:29,150
so very gratifying thank you for coming

10831
07:20:32,628 --> 07:20:30,600
out Chris do you have any questions for

10832
07:20:34,968 --> 07:20:32,638
Coleman have you met each other

10833
07:20:38,628 --> 07:20:34,978
we almost did coma I just actually

10834
07:20:42,110 --> 07:20:38,638
tonight released a episode one if it was

10835
07:20:43,310 --> 07:20:42,120
a few weeks back uh in November uh Carl

10836
07:20:45,410 --> 07:20:43,320
Crusher

10837
07:20:46,670 --> 07:20:45,420
and Chris Bartel we came to your office

10838
07:20:48,770 --> 07:20:46,680
but we didn't want to come in with too

10839
07:20:50,570 --> 07:20:48,780
many people you know so I I waited

10840
07:20:52,250 --> 07:20:50,580
outside actually but uh they came in

10841
07:20:54,590 --> 07:20:52,260
just asked yeah to ask about Mount

10842
07:20:56,208 --> 07:20:54,600
Wilson Ranch we are on our way up to up

10843
07:20:58,850 --> 07:20:56,218
to Mount Wilson Ranch

10844
07:21:01,910 --> 07:20:58,860
uh basically because Bigelow owned it as

10845
07:21:03,410 --> 07:21:01,920
well and had Jack valet in Ingo Swann

10846
07:21:05,750 --> 07:21:03,420
and all the guys up there

10847
07:21:08,090 --> 07:21:05,760
um so basically looking at it Mount

10848
07:21:09,410 --> 07:21:08,100
Wilson Ranch uh for those of you who

10849
07:21:10,910 --> 07:21:09,420
don't know

10850
07:21:14,570 --> 07:21:10,920
um is

10851
07:21:16,610 --> 07:21:14,580
um up in uh near Pioche in Nevada about

10852
07:21:20,990 --> 07:21:16,620
a hundred and something miles north of

10853
07:21:23,690 --> 07:21:21,000
Las Vegas but uh part of our research

10854
07:21:26,448 --> 07:21:23,700
during the niz operation at the very

10855
07:21:27,948 --> 07:21:26,458
beginning of the news Operation was uh

10856
07:21:30,830 --> 07:21:27,958
to kind of split our time between

10857
07:21:34,788 --> 07:21:30,840
Skinwalker Ranch and also the Mount

10858
07:21:38,510 --> 07:21:34,798
Wilson Ranch and I can tell you that we

10859
07:21:40,270 --> 07:21:38,520
did not see a lot of uh unusual activity

10860
07:21:44,750 --> 07:21:40,280
up there but they were the best

10861
07:21:47,150 --> 07:21:44,760
absolutely best uh views of the Milky

10862
07:21:49,670 --> 07:21:47,160
Way galaxy I have ever seen in my life I

10863
07:21:51,468 --> 07:21:49,680
mean it's 8 000 feet up there and

10864
07:21:54,530 --> 07:21:51,478
there's really not a lot of ambient

10865
07:21:58,610 --> 07:21:54,540
light in the in the the near environment

10866
07:22:00,468 --> 07:21:58,620
and it was spectacular so we spent many

10867
07:22:02,868 --> 07:22:00,478
many cold nights out there especially

10868
07:22:05,448 --> 07:22:02,878
especially during the winter on Mount

10869
07:22:06,830 --> 07:22:05,458
Wilson Ranch and

10870
07:22:09,770 --> 07:22:06,840
um you know we had night vision

10871
07:22:12,048 --> 07:22:09,780
equipment which made stargazing even

10872
07:22:13,730 --> 07:22:12,058
more spectacular

10873
07:22:15,410 --> 07:22:13,740
um so it was it was a very enjoyable

10874
07:22:19,788 --> 07:22:15,420
time I'm

10875
07:22:23,690 --> 07:22:19,798
um obviously Chris Bartel and uh and his

10876
07:22:25,850 --> 07:22:23,700
uh his research friend but we're in my

10877
07:22:28,968 --> 07:22:25,860
office in my building there a few weeks

10878
07:22:30,350 --> 07:22:28,978
ago so I'm sorry I didn't meet you

10879
07:22:31,850 --> 07:22:30,360
yeah it would have been next that's

10880
07:22:34,250 --> 07:22:31,860
great to hear actually well well

10881
07:22:35,810 --> 07:22:34,260
obviously we're looking for Paranormal

10882
07:22:39,430 --> 07:22:35,820
Activity there as well but we're also

10883
07:22:42,590 --> 07:22:39,440
setting up uh camera systems

10884
07:22:44,990 --> 07:22:42,600
yeah hundreds of acres and so we can set

10885
07:22:46,730 --> 07:22:45,000
up you know kind of a at least three the

10886
07:22:48,830 --> 07:22:46,740
plan is at least three camera systems

10887
07:22:50,930 --> 07:22:48,840
you know so we can triangulate so

10888
07:22:53,930 --> 07:22:50,940
separated by some distance so hopefully

10889
07:22:56,090 --> 07:22:53,940
we'll at least we'll have eyes upward I

10890
07:22:58,910 --> 07:22:56,100
I don't know at this stage what the

10891
07:23:02,810 --> 07:22:58,920
living space is

10892
07:23:04,788 --> 07:23:02,820
um on the on the uh Mount Wilson range

10893
07:23:07,850 --> 07:23:04,798
but when I when we were up there when

10894
07:23:11,270 --> 07:23:07,860
niz was up there we had a

10895
07:23:15,288 --> 07:23:11,280
um a series of sort of small

10896
07:23:18,410 --> 07:23:15,298
um small cottage like buildings one of

10897
07:23:21,350 --> 07:23:18,420
which was reputedly haunted by this uh

10898
07:23:23,110 --> 07:23:21,360
Native American person

10899
07:23:26,208 --> 07:23:23,120
um

10900
07:23:28,190 --> 07:23:26,218
yeah several of us slept in that

10901
07:23:29,690 --> 07:23:28,200
particular room but none of us saw

10902
07:23:30,948 --> 07:23:29,700
anything

10903
07:23:33,110 --> 07:23:30,958
um it was

10904
07:23:35,930 --> 07:23:33,120
um but

10905
07:23:38,510 --> 07:23:35,940
I I have fond memories of Mount Wilson

10906
07:23:40,548 --> 07:23:38,520
okay yeah excellent

10907
07:23:43,548 --> 07:23:40,558
interesting yeah it's a six Show episode

10908
07:23:45,830 --> 07:23:43,558
or miniseries so I'll be releasing it

10909
07:23:49,190 --> 07:23:45,840
out and then in the spring we plan to go

10910
07:23:50,990 --> 07:23:49,200
back and put up uh extra cameras so it'd

10911
07:23:52,910 --> 07:23:51,000
be nice yeah maybe I can interview you

10912
07:23:58,490 --> 07:23:52,920
if I'm coming through and I'll put it in

10913
07:23:59,810 --> 07:23:58,500
a plug yeah yeah absolutely I I uh I

10914
07:24:02,990 --> 07:23:59,820
really enjoy that

10915
07:24:04,548 --> 07:24:03,000
um I'd also uh like to get maybe at the

10916
07:24:09,350 --> 07:24:04,558
end of this

10917
07:24:12,230 --> 07:24:09,360
um a link to your to your uh release

10918
07:24:13,730 --> 07:24:12,240
yeah so it's Chris Leto or the Leto

10919
07:24:15,110 --> 07:24:13,740
files and I'll send that to you

10920
07:24:16,610 --> 07:24:15,120
personally comb so don't worry you don't

10921
07:24:18,288 --> 07:24:16,620
need to write it down okay great and

10922
07:24:21,410 --> 07:24:18,298
also I will put it on screen for people

10923
07:24:23,390 --> 07:24:21,420
who are interested and comb what what is

10924
07:24:24,830 --> 07:24:23,400
it that you're working on in 2022 that

10925
07:24:26,750 --> 07:24:24,840
we can promote right now so that I can

10926
07:24:28,610 --> 07:24:26,760
put a link on the screen for people who

10927
07:24:30,350 --> 07:24:28,620
are interested in following

10928
07:24:31,070 --> 07:24:30,360
well the

10929
07:24:33,650 --> 07:24:31,080
um

10930
07:24:35,930 --> 07:24:33,660
as you as you know from the last

10931
07:24:38,990 --> 07:24:35,940
interview we did with myself and George

10932
07:24:41,690 --> 07:24:39,000
with you uh we released a book just uh

10933
07:24:43,968 --> 07:24:41,700
about just about a year ago now just

10934
07:24:47,810 --> 07:24:43,978
slightly over a year ago called Skin

10935
07:24:50,270 --> 07:24:47,820
markers at the Pentagon that really was

10936
07:24:52,430 --> 07:24:50,280
um we thought it was the sort of

10937
07:24:56,390 --> 07:24:52,440
um correcting the record in quote

10938
07:24:58,610 --> 07:24:56,400
unquote on the uh the program with the

10939
07:25:01,190 --> 07:24:58,620
defense intelligence agency which was a

10940
07:25:03,230 --> 07:25:01,200
boots on the ground UFO investigative

10941
07:25:05,330 --> 07:25:03,240
program

10942
07:25:07,430 --> 07:25:05,340
um there is an audio version of that

10943
07:25:11,448 --> 07:25:07,440
book coming out in January

10944
07:25:15,368 --> 07:25:11,458
um which we're pretty happy with but

10945
07:25:18,590 --> 07:25:15,378
um we think that the the overall program

10946
07:25:21,110 --> 07:25:18,600
was the sort of the Genesis of a lot of

10947
07:25:23,448 --> 07:25:21,120
the activity that is uh that is ongoing

10948
07:25:25,750 --> 07:25:23,458
now because there's a direct linear

10949
07:25:28,868 --> 07:25:25,760
relationship between the OSAP program

10950
07:25:32,270 --> 07:25:28,878
and then the much smaller atip program

10951
07:25:35,868 --> 07:25:32,280
but even then leading into the the um

10952
07:25:37,850 --> 07:25:35,878
the UAP task force the the there was a

10953
07:25:41,810 --> 07:25:37,860
couple of generations of the UAP task

10954
07:25:44,810 --> 07:25:41,820
force that uh that were very much tied

10955
07:25:45,948 --> 07:25:44,820
in terms of lineage to the Osa program

10956
07:25:48,350 --> 07:25:45,958
the

10957
07:25:50,810 --> 07:25:48,360
um Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems

10958
07:25:54,530 --> 07:25:50,820
application program which

10959
07:25:57,468 --> 07:25:54,540
um we ran from Las Vegas I was the

10960
07:26:00,770 --> 07:25:57,478
project manager in Las Vegas and then a

10961
07:26:03,890 --> 07:26:00,780
a ballistic missile physicist called

10962
07:26:08,390 --> 07:26:03,900
James T lakovski was the program manager

10963
07:26:09,650 --> 07:26:08,400
in in Washington so jointly we ran that

10964
07:26:12,770 --> 07:26:09,660
program

10965
07:26:14,390 --> 07:26:12,780
um over about a 27 month period and

10966
07:26:17,030 --> 07:26:14,400
during that time

10967
07:26:20,448 --> 07:26:17,040
it was mostly a boots on the ground

10968
07:26:22,968 --> 07:26:20,458
field investigative effort

10969
07:26:25,610 --> 07:26:22,978
um so we ended up hiring about 50

10970
07:26:27,708 --> 07:26:25,620
different people in a very short period

10971
07:26:29,510 --> 07:26:27,718
of time which you know has its pluses

10972
07:26:30,830 --> 07:26:29,520
and minuses

10973
07:26:34,128 --> 07:26:30,840
um and we

10974
07:26:36,170 --> 07:26:34,138
um we we did have investigators

10975
07:26:38,270 --> 07:26:36,180
um around the United States and also we

10976
07:26:40,910 --> 07:26:38,280
deployed investigators to Brazil at one

10977
07:26:44,030 --> 07:26:40,920
stage in order to

10978
07:26:46,490 --> 07:26:44,040
um really sort of come to grips with the

10979
07:26:49,010 --> 07:26:46,500
the UFO phenomenon we were mostly

10980
07:26:53,628 --> 07:26:49,020
interested in

10981
07:26:56,990 --> 07:26:53,638
um both sensor sensor driven data as

10982
07:26:59,868 --> 07:26:57,000
well as effects on people uh so we we

10983
07:27:03,288 --> 07:26:59,878
kind of ran two parallel programs one

10984
07:27:06,230 --> 07:27:03,298
was trying to capture uh sensor data and

10985
07:27:09,288 --> 07:27:06,240
the other was trying to capture

10986
07:27:13,430 --> 07:27:09,298
um effects on people and we had two MD

10987
07:27:14,330 --> 07:27:13,440
phds on staff that did a lot of that

10988
07:27:17,770 --> 07:27:14,340
um

10989
07:27:21,708 --> 07:27:17,780
medical injury investigation so

10990
07:27:25,010 --> 07:27:21,718
it was very much a sort of a Hands-On

10991
07:27:27,708 --> 07:27:25,020
boots on the ground effort and all of

10992
07:27:30,530 --> 07:27:27,718
the writing in terms of reports and all

10993
07:27:33,048 --> 07:27:30,540
of that had to be done after all of the

10994
07:27:35,150 --> 07:27:33,058
research was conducted so

10995
07:27:36,170 --> 07:27:35,160
um it was a lot of fun

10996
07:27:39,830 --> 07:27:36,180
um

10997
07:27:41,570 --> 07:27:39,840
but you know hopefully in 2023 there

10998
07:27:44,208 --> 07:27:41,580
will be some kind of light at the end of

10999
07:27:44,930 --> 07:27:44,218
the tunnel regarding

11000
07:27:47,030 --> 07:27:44,940
um

11001
07:27:50,930 --> 07:27:47,040
you know right regarding a new program

11002
07:27:51,708 --> 07:27:50,940
uh although you know as time goes on

11003
07:27:55,250 --> 07:27:51,718
um

11004
07:27:57,948 --> 07:27:55,260
I I must say I'm not as optimistic as I

11005
07:27:59,208 --> 07:27:57,958
was you know because I'm frequently

11006
07:28:02,690 --> 07:27:59,218
disappointed

11007
07:28:05,448 --> 07:28:02,700
every time I think the two 800 pound

11008
07:28:09,230 --> 07:28:05,458
gorillas in the room are the

11009
07:28:12,250 --> 07:28:09,240
ousdi and S I mean back back in the in

11010
07:28:16,548 --> 07:28:12,260
the day when we were investigating UFOs

11011
07:28:19,310 --> 07:28:16,558
uh with the defense intelligence agency

11012
07:28:22,850 --> 07:28:19,320
um that that particular organization the

11013
07:28:24,530 --> 07:28:22,860
Pentagon was plain old usdi under

11014
07:28:26,270 --> 07:28:24,540
secretary of defense for intelligence

11015
07:28:29,270 --> 07:28:26,280
but now it's the office of under

11016
07:28:30,948 --> 07:28:29,280
secretary for defense intelligence and

11017
07:28:34,810 --> 07:28:30,958
security

11018
07:28:37,070 --> 07:28:34,820
um we found that particular organization

11019
07:28:40,788 --> 07:28:37,080
less than

11020
07:28:42,468 --> 07:28:40,798
um Cooperative in sort of helping out on

11021
07:28:44,990 --> 07:28:42,478
the on the

11022
07:28:48,468 --> 07:28:45,000
um you know on the the bureaucratic red

11023
07:28:50,270 --> 07:28:48,478
tape uh front the second 800 pound

11024
07:28:52,910 --> 07:28:50,280
gorilla in the room is the United States

11025
07:28:56,750 --> 07:28:52,920
Air Force which has been notably

11026
07:28:58,788 --> 07:28:56,760
reticent in terms of of bringing forth

11027
07:29:01,910 --> 07:28:58,798
um additional data although you know

11028
07:29:03,890 --> 07:29:01,920
I've heard that there are there are you

11029
07:29:05,570 --> 07:29:03,900
know there's a better level of

11030
07:29:08,570 --> 07:29:05,580
cooperation than there was sort of a

11031
07:29:11,270 --> 07:29:08,580
year ago uh but you know for example

11032
07:29:14,208 --> 07:29:11,280
Frank Kendall the the secretary of the

11033
07:29:16,190 --> 07:29:14,218
Air Force recently came out with uh sort

11034
07:29:18,230 --> 07:29:16,200
of a series of statements that was not

11035
07:29:19,968 --> 07:29:18,240
exactly positive

11036
07:29:22,850 --> 07:29:19,978
um they're basically saying that that

11037
07:29:25,788 --> 07:29:22,860
they the USAF did not see any they're

11038
07:29:28,788 --> 07:29:25,798
there so therefore they're going to wait

11039
07:29:31,548 --> 07:29:28,798
for any evidence before putting any

11040
07:29:34,548 --> 07:29:31,558
muscle behind that and I I think there

11041
07:29:36,948 --> 07:29:34,558
are the two main organizations that have

11042
07:29:41,150 --> 07:29:36,958
uh their stakeholders in this whole

11043
07:29:44,208 --> 07:29:41,160
process in ushering this new office

11044
07:29:47,570 --> 07:29:44,218
um into some kind of productivity

11045
07:29:50,510 --> 07:29:47,580
so I'm I guess I'm I'm less

11046
07:29:53,150 --> 07:29:50,520
um less optimistic than I was nine

11047
07:29:55,430 --> 07:29:53,160
months ago because I think Congress can

11048
07:29:57,468 --> 07:29:55,440
do a lot and you know the recent passage

11049
07:29:58,910 --> 07:29:57,478
of the National Defense authorization

11050
07:30:02,270 --> 07:29:58,920
act

11051
07:30:06,410 --> 07:30:02,280
um which still needs uh authorization

11052
07:30:09,410 --> 07:30:06,420
bills to to pass uh but the recent

11053
07:30:11,208 --> 07:30:09,420
passage of the ndaa I think with the

11054
07:30:13,368 --> 07:30:11,218
with the appropriate language for

11055
07:30:15,350 --> 07:30:13,378
whistleblowers to come forth and all of

11056
07:30:17,750 --> 07:30:15,360
that I think that's a wait and see

11057
07:30:19,968 --> 07:30:17,760
because realistically a lot of the

11058
07:30:21,890 --> 07:30:19,978
intelligence agencies the defense

11059
07:30:25,010 --> 07:30:21,900
intelligence agency the Central

11060
07:30:27,350 --> 07:30:25,020
Intelligence Agency have their own ways

11061
07:30:29,930 --> 07:30:27,360
of doing this and whether or not they're

11062
07:30:33,530 --> 07:30:29,940
actually going to cooperate and sort of

11063
07:30:35,570 --> 07:30:33,540
lie down for a series of sort of

11064
07:30:38,990 --> 07:30:35,580
amnesties

11065
07:30:40,850 --> 07:30:39,000
um is is an open question I personally

11066
07:30:43,548 --> 07:30:40,860
think it's going to be a very slow

11067
07:30:49,010 --> 07:30:46,548
so John Ramirez on Martin Willis's

11068
07:30:52,010 --> 07:30:49,020
podcast which by the way as a plug

11069
07:30:53,690 --> 07:30:52,020
Martin Willis has a podcast called UFO

11070
07:30:56,510 --> 07:30:53,700
or sorry called The Martin Willis live

11071
07:30:59,030 --> 07:30:56,520
show maybe the live UFO show I'm I'm

11072
07:31:01,968 --> 07:30:59,040
sure I'm uncertain about the specific

11073
07:31:03,468 --> 07:31:01,978
name regardless there was a prediction

11074
07:31:06,110 --> 07:31:03,478
made

11075
07:31:10,128 --> 07:31:06,120
fairly adamantly by John Ramirez about

11076
07:31:12,170 --> 07:31:10,138
2027 being a day or sorry being a year

11077
07:31:15,170 --> 07:31:12,180
that's important for the UFO phenomenon

11078
07:31:18,770 --> 07:31:15,180
in particular that UFOs May land or

11079
07:31:20,868 --> 07:31:18,780
touchdown then so calm have you heard

11080
07:31:22,128 --> 07:31:20,878
anything of about this what do you make

11081
07:31:25,250 --> 07:31:22,138
of it

11082
07:31:27,590 --> 07:31:25,260
I've seen that scuttlebutt but I I have

11083
07:31:32,570 --> 07:31:27,600
not seen anything to substantiate it I

11084
07:31:33,670 --> 07:31:32,580
haven't seen anybody who I would sort of

11085
07:31:37,310 --> 07:31:33,680
um

11086
07:31:39,770 --> 07:31:37,320
class as a as an Insider's quote-unquote

11087
07:31:45,468 --> 07:31:39,780
uh come out with that I I've seen the

11088
07:31:51,530 --> 07:31:47,030
so what are you most grateful for man

11089
07:31:56,270 --> 07:31:51,540
from all this year all of this year 2022

11090
07:31:58,968 --> 07:31:56,280
well I I think actually 2022 was uh was

11091
07:32:04,190 --> 07:31:58,978
a banner year for sort of the unfolding

11092
07:32:06,170 --> 07:32:04,200
of uh of this program and uh not only

11093
07:32:07,968 --> 07:32:06,180
the the program but the level of

11094
07:32:09,708 --> 07:32:07,978
interest in the public

11095
07:32:15,770 --> 07:32:09,718
so

11096
07:32:19,010 --> 07:32:15,780
optimistic uh from what has happened in

11097
07:32:22,910 --> 07:32:19,020
2022 is that I think that there's more

11098
07:32:25,250 --> 07:32:22,920
and more uh people in the the so-called

11099
07:32:26,750 --> 07:32:25,260
Consciousness field

11100
07:32:29,150 --> 07:32:26,760
um that are beginning to take an

11101
07:32:32,390 --> 07:32:29,160
interest in the

11102
07:32:35,330 --> 07:32:32,400
um in the UFO field and the and this and

11103
07:32:39,948 --> 07:32:35,340
this idea that there's cross correlation

11104
07:32:43,490 --> 07:32:39,958
between the UFO field and uh paranormal

11105
07:32:46,730 --> 07:32:43,500
activity for example and Consciousness

11106
07:32:50,930 --> 07:32:46,740
um with people like Jeffrey uh

11107
07:32:52,490 --> 07:32:50,940
don Donald Hoffman Edward Kelly and

11108
07:32:55,128 --> 07:32:52,500
um you know there's a husband who

11109
07:32:58,128 --> 07:32:55,138
commented on UFOs as far as you know

11110
07:33:01,190 --> 07:32:58,138
um I'm Jeffrey kreifel certainly has

11111
07:33:03,350 --> 07:33:01,200
um Ed Kelly no but but

11112
07:33:07,070 --> 07:33:03,360
um I think Donald Huffman has been asked

11113
07:33:08,270 --> 07:33:07,080
uh that question numerous earlier he was

11114
07:33:11,090 --> 07:33:08,280
on

11115
07:33:13,548 --> 07:33:11,100
I'll ask him next time yeah yeah I mean

11116
07:33:15,708 --> 07:33:13,558
it would be really interesting because I

11117
07:33:18,048 --> 07:33:15,718
mean he's pushing the boundaries a lot

11118
07:33:21,128 --> 07:33:18,058
in terms of this whole

11119
07:33:23,990 --> 07:33:21,138
um this new paradigm in Consciousness

11120
07:33:25,990 --> 07:33:24,000
that is you know the Consciousness is

11121
07:33:28,430 --> 07:33:26,000
not necessarily the result of

11122
07:33:30,650 --> 07:33:28,440
biochemical trafficking in the in the

11123
07:33:34,730 --> 07:33:30,660
brain and that you know there's a lot

11124
07:33:37,128 --> 07:33:34,740
more to the story than than that and um

11125
07:33:38,990 --> 07:33:37,138
I see that as

11126
07:33:42,288 --> 07:33:39,000
um and people like Jeffrey from

11127
07:33:47,448 --> 07:33:42,298
Rice University who is kind of really

11128
07:33:51,230 --> 07:33:47,458
getting into a much higher profile with

11129
07:33:53,230 --> 07:33:51,240
uh linking in Consciousness and UFOs I

11130
07:33:56,510 --> 07:33:53,240
see that as very positive because

11131
07:33:58,548 --> 07:33:56,520
ultimately you know

11132
07:34:01,610 --> 07:33:58,558
um you can deploy sensors in the field

11133
07:34:03,410 --> 07:34:01,620
and we have a project has to land in

11134
07:34:04,788 --> 07:34:03,420
Norway is a very good example of that of

11135
07:34:10,128 --> 07:34:04,798
having

11136
07:34:13,730 --> 07:34:10,138
sensors for 40 years but you know the

11137
07:34:17,810 --> 07:34:13,740
effects of UFOs on people the effects of

11138
07:34:19,310 --> 07:34:17,820
UFOs on people's perception and even on

11139
07:34:22,010 --> 07:34:19,320
their world view

11140
07:34:24,948 --> 07:34:22,020
um is something that really should be uh

11141
07:34:27,650 --> 07:34:24,958
run in parallel to the actual Gathering

11142
07:34:31,010 --> 07:34:27,660
of the physics and the engineering data

11143
07:34:34,850 --> 07:34:31,020
I I think there's room for both in this

11144
07:34:38,090 --> 07:34:34,860
whole field and I I would say there's

11145
07:34:42,128 --> 07:34:38,100
room for optimism certainly on on from

11146
07:34:44,330 --> 07:34:42,138
my perspective there's room for optimism

11147
07:34:47,390 --> 07:34:44,340
well calm I know that you got to get

11148
07:34:49,670 --> 07:34:47,400
going so do you have any

11149
07:34:52,190 --> 07:34:49,680
if you have a last question Chris to

11150
07:34:56,270 --> 07:34:52,200
post a comb then please do so if not

11151
07:34:58,250 --> 07:34:56,280
then Como will give you an outro uh do

11152
07:35:00,288 --> 07:34:58,260
you have any insights calm into who

11153
07:35:02,270 --> 07:35:00,298
could possibly be called if there are

11154
07:35:04,548 --> 07:35:02,280
public hearings or who I guess who would

11155
07:35:09,890 --> 07:35:04,558
you be most most excited to see

11156
07:35:12,468 --> 07:35:11,448
um that's a that's a pretty good

11157
07:35:13,310 --> 07:35:12,478
question

11158
07:35:15,830 --> 07:35:13,320
um

11159
07:35:17,868 --> 07:35:15,840
I I can tell you that a lot of the

11160
07:35:19,250 --> 07:35:17,878
people that were involved in the ASAP

11161
07:35:23,690 --> 07:35:19,260
program

11162
07:35:26,930 --> 07:35:23,700
um were very are where and are very much

11163
07:35:29,390 --> 07:35:26,940
um interested in this whole uh Arena

11164
07:35:32,270 --> 07:35:29,400
people like Hal putoff and Eric Davis

11165
07:35:33,770 --> 07:35:32,280
who were intimately involved in the ASAP

11166
07:35:35,510 --> 07:35:33,780
program

11167
07:35:37,850 --> 07:35:35,520
um I would not be in the least surprised

11168
07:35:38,830 --> 07:35:37,860
to see people like that

11169
07:35:42,890 --> 07:35:38,840
um

11170
07:35:45,650 --> 07:35:42,900
being asked to testify plus there's a

11171
07:35:47,570 --> 07:35:45,660
lot of different my information at least

11172
07:35:51,650 --> 07:35:47,580
is that there's a lot of people who are

11173
07:35:54,110 --> 07:35:51,660
willing to come forward uh whatever

11174
07:35:56,930 --> 07:35:54,120
um what effect that has I I really I

11175
07:35:58,850 --> 07:35:56,940
really don't know I I think the office

11176
07:36:00,530 --> 07:35:58,860
of the under secretary Professor

11177
07:36:03,048 --> 07:36:00,540
intelligence

11178
07:36:05,390 --> 07:36:03,058
um it's kind of like a wait and see

11179
07:36:08,628 --> 07:36:05,400
um situation

11180
07:36:10,490 --> 07:36:08,638
um but you know I I think

11181
07:36:13,128 --> 07:36:10,500
um

11182
07:36:16,910 --> 07:36:13,138
you know I think time will tell 2023

11183
07:36:21,830 --> 07:36:19,670
comb thank you so much the book is

11184
07:36:25,070 --> 07:36:21,840
called Skin Walkers at the Pentagon and

11185
07:36:29,690 --> 07:36:27,230
thank you thank you for for spending the

11186
07:36:32,208 --> 07:36:29,700
end of the the end of your year with me

11187
07:36:35,990 --> 07:36:32,218
well I I really appreciate what you're

11188
07:36:40,430 --> 07:36:36,000
doing Kurt and uh I wish uh both of you

11189
07:36:43,190 --> 07:36:40,440
actually a and whoever's listening

11190
07:36:45,230 --> 07:36:43,200
um a great New Year hopefully

11191
07:36:48,110 --> 07:36:45,240
um the odd bottle of Guinness will be

11192
07:36:53,030 --> 07:36:48,120
cracked and you know so

11193
07:36:55,430 --> 07:36:53,040
this I'm from Trinidad ah nice this is

11194
07:36:58,548 --> 07:36:55,440
from this is apparently inFAMOUS or

11195
07:37:00,708 --> 07:36:58,558
famous among trinidadians this paradrex

11196
07:37:03,650 --> 07:37:00,718
I don't drink it well I know I do drink

11197
07:37:06,890 --> 07:37:03,660
it on the holidays but I'm well I'm

11198
07:37:08,350 --> 07:37:06,900
saying so holiday now Kurt yeah yeah

11199
07:37:12,650 --> 07:37:08,360
yeah

11200
07:37:14,650 --> 07:37:12,660
I I have this I'm not allowed

11201
07:37:18,410 --> 07:37:14,660
I have this this strange

11202
07:37:20,390 --> 07:37:18,420
it's like right well whatever I'm not

11203
07:37:23,510 --> 07:37:20,400
allowed to eat until after I I do the

11204
07:37:25,368 --> 07:37:23,520
majority of my work so we'll see we'll

11205
07:37:29,330 --> 07:37:25,378
see my wife is coming to pick me up

11206
07:37:31,208 --> 07:37:29,340
shortly so comb it's good to see you and

11207
07:37:36,948 --> 07:37:31,218
yeah

11208
07:37:38,208 --> 07:37:36,958
next year so I haven't asked anyone this

11209
07:37:40,010 --> 07:37:38,218
but

11210
07:37:43,310 --> 07:37:40,020
Have you listened to the theories of

11211
07:37:45,170 --> 07:37:43,320
everything podcast comb

11212
07:37:46,610 --> 07:37:45,180
like I know we've been on yeah Have you

11213
07:37:48,048 --> 07:37:46,620
listened to any of the podcasts I know

11214
07:37:51,890 --> 07:37:48,058
we've been on you've been on the podcast

11215
07:37:55,548 --> 07:37:51,900
but have you yes I I I've listened to a

11216
07:37:57,948 --> 07:37:55,558
couple of Donald Hoffman's

11217
07:38:01,910 --> 07:37:57,958
um uh podcasts and you know

11218
07:38:04,190 --> 07:38:01,920
um as usual they're sort of way I mean

11219
07:38:06,468 --> 07:38:04,200
they're they're exceptional really

11220
07:38:09,048 --> 07:38:06,478
exceptional I think you know both of you

11221
07:38:11,208 --> 07:38:09,058
interact really well thank you thank you

11222
07:38:13,750 --> 07:38:11,218
I was going to ask which one was which

11223
07:38:16,610 --> 07:38:13,760
one was your favorite that's yeah

11224
07:38:19,070 --> 07:38:16,620
I've gone back though I don't know if

11225
07:38:22,128 --> 07:38:19,080
you remember the uh particular podcast

11226
07:38:23,510 --> 07:38:22,138
he did at the very start at covid with

11227
07:38:25,448 --> 07:38:23,520
you

11228
07:38:29,570 --> 07:38:25,458
um it was it was

11229
07:38:32,448 --> 07:38:29,580
writing I guess our April 2020. I found

11230
07:38:35,628 --> 07:38:32,458
that exceptional too thank you

11231
07:38:38,270 --> 07:38:35,638
well me and you we're gonna create

11232
07:38:41,750 --> 07:38:38,280
an exceptional podcast together one that

11233
07:38:44,990 --> 07:38:41,760
exceeds the March 2020. one with Hoffman

11234
07:38:46,610 --> 07:38:45,000
so I look forward to that in 2023

11235
07:38:49,190 --> 07:38:46,620
and I look forward to what you produce

11236
07:38:50,570 --> 07:38:49,200
and also let your boss know let Bigelow

11237
07:38:51,890 --> 07:38:50,580
know that I would love to speak with him

11238
07:38:54,830 --> 07:38:51,900
on the podcast

11239
07:38:56,270 --> 07:38:54,840
yeah well you know in the background you

11240
07:38:59,270 --> 07:38:56,280
can see Bigelow Institute for

11241
07:39:02,750 --> 07:38:59,280
Consciousness studies right now we have

11242
07:39:05,208 --> 07:39:02,760
we have launched a grants program

11243
07:39:07,910 --> 07:39:05,218
um a funding program which is very rare

11244
07:39:09,948 --> 07:39:07,920
in this field of certain what's what's

11245
07:39:13,430 --> 07:39:09,958
called Survival Of Consciousness after

11246
07:39:16,788 --> 07:39:13,440
death and so we have launched a program

11247
07:39:19,190 --> 07:39:16,798
that's worth up to a million dollars

11248
07:39:21,890 --> 07:39:19,200
um it's going to be broken into multiple

11249
07:39:24,048 --> 07:39:21,900
different grants of a hundred thousand

11250
07:39:27,350 --> 07:39:24,058
dollars and fifty thousand dollars but

11251
07:39:29,930 --> 07:39:27,360
in terms of the the field it's an

11252
07:39:33,230 --> 07:39:29,940
injection of money into this field which

11253
07:39:35,030 --> 07:39:33,240
is badly needed uh for research so right

11254
07:39:37,548 --> 07:39:35,040
now what that's what I'm doing is is

11255
07:39:39,770 --> 07:39:37,558
managing that programming and getting

11256
07:39:42,708 --> 07:39:39,780
the launch

11257
07:39:45,708 --> 07:39:42,718
um going for that program so I see that

11258
07:39:47,930 --> 07:39:45,718
as as something that could have value in

11259
07:39:49,850 --> 07:39:47,940
2023

11260
07:39:52,670 --> 07:39:49,860
okay great

11261
07:39:55,788 --> 07:39:52,680
goodbye and thanks for coming on

11262
07:39:59,628 --> 07:39:55,798
nice talking to you and uh yeah I I'm

11263
07:40:01,250 --> 07:39:59,638
looking forward to uh to uh sing what

11264
07:40:03,468 --> 07:40:01,260
the uh the story is on Mount Wilson

11265
07:40:04,788 --> 07:40:03,478
Ranch the latest story

11266
07:40:05,990 --> 07:40:04,798
excellent all right thank you Chrome

11267
07:40:12,288 --> 07:40:06,000
nice to meet you

11268
07:40:14,628 --> 07:40:12,298
so Chris can you check your WhatsApp

11269
07:40:17,810 --> 07:40:14,638
yeah let me check

11270
07:40:20,810 --> 07:40:17,820
number two and just for everyone in the

11271
07:40:22,368 --> 07:40:20,820
chat eight hours it's now past eight

11272
07:40:25,270 --> 07:40:22,378
hours

11273
07:40:29,150 --> 07:40:25,280
I will be leaving in about 11 minutes

11274
07:40:30,830 --> 07:40:29,160
however I want trailer gold team and

11275
07:40:32,090 --> 07:40:30,840
Chris Leto I want us all to just hang

11276
07:40:36,110 --> 07:40:32,100
out

11277
07:40:38,930 --> 07:40:36,120
so welcome back Tyler Goldstein good to

11278
07:40:40,070 --> 07:40:38,940
be back so I can't believe this is eight

11279
07:40:43,670 --> 07:40:40,080
hours

11280
07:40:46,010 --> 07:40:43,680
yeah geez so who's been here for eight

11281
07:40:50,510 --> 07:40:46,020
hours in the chat please let us know who

11282
07:40:54,048 --> 07:40:53,150
thank you Sam Sam's one of them Sam's

11283
07:40:57,110 --> 07:40:54,058
one of them

11284
07:40:58,490 --> 07:40:57,120
and anyway so just as an introduction I

11285
07:41:00,110 --> 07:40:58,500
don't think you all have met this is

11286
07:41:03,350 --> 07:41:00,120
Tyler Goldstein of the theory of

11287
07:41:04,548 --> 07:41:03,360
everyone which is a toe it's on toe and

11288
07:41:07,250 --> 07:41:04,558
Chris little you have your own tone

11289
07:41:10,128 --> 07:41:07,260
Chris little well I you have your own

11290
07:41:13,010 --> 07:41:10,138
YouTube channel as well so just

11291
07:41:16,730 --> 07:41:13,020
Chris meet Tyler Tyler meet Chris

11292
07:41:20,448 --> 07:41:16,740
nice to meet you nice to meet you

11293
07:41:22,250 --> 07:41:20,458
all right I just wanted to I just want

11294
07:41:23,090 --> 07:41:22,260
to hang out with you all that's all

11295
07:41:26,448 --> 07:41:23,100
right

11296
07:41:28,548 --> 07:41:26,458
what's your longest show up to now Kurt

11297
07:41:29,448 --> 07:41:28,558
I think it was seven and a half or eight

11298
07:41:34,910 --> 07:41:29,458
hours

11299
07:41:38,448 --> 07:41:37,010
that that went on for maybe eight and a

11300
07:41:40,548 --> 07:41:38,458
half and it was cut down to eight hours

11301
07:41:42,230 --> 07:41:40,558
or we had talked before we pressed

11302
07:41:43,968 --> 07:41:42,240
record or talked after we pressed record

11303
07:41:45,468 --> 07:41:43,978
but anyway that was like eight and a

11304
07:41:48,890 --> 07:41:45,478
half so this is

11305
07:41:52,010 --> 07:41:48,900
similar if not exceeding

11306
07:41:54,048 --> 07:41:52,020
who's that filmed in one stream or was

11307
07:41:56,208 --> 07:41:54,058
that too interesting yeah no that was

11308
07:41:58,250 --> 07:41:56,218
filmed at once and we could have kept

11309
07:42:00,048 --> 07:41:58,260
going except I had to meet my brother

11310
07:42:02,468 --> 07:42:00,058
there's some like their Emergency Family

11311
07:42:04,968 --> 07:42:02,478
emergencies I had to go downtown

11312
07:42:07,128 --> 07:42:04,978
immediately and I'm just looking at the

11313
07:42:08,448 --> 07:42:07,138
time and I'm like okay Leah like time is

11314
07:42:10,968 --> 07:42:08,458
money this is just one question it's

11315
07:42:12,830 --> 07:42:10,978
been like two hours can you but anyway I

11316
07:42:15,110 --> 07:42:12,840
love Leo and

11317
07:42:16,548 --> 07:42:15,120
and that was a that was an interesting

11318
07:42:19,128 --> 07:42:16,558
podcast

11319
07:42:22,850 --> 07:42:19,138
yeah so it definitely was

11320
07:42:25,368 --> 07:42:22,860
so Chris and Tyler do you mind

11321
07:42:27,708 --> 07:42:25,378
as difficult as I know this is extremely

11322
07:42:29,990 --> 07:42:27,718
difficult but can you condense your toes

11323
07:42:31,788 --> 07:42:30,000
into about two minutes and just say them

11324
07:42:34,010 --> 07:42:31,798
to one another I want to hear what your

11325
07:42:36,708 --> 07:42:34,020
perspectives are on on each other's

11326
07:42:38,930 --> 07:42:36,718
theories of everything

11327
07:42:40,128 --> 07:42:38,940
yeah forgive me I'm gonna be listening

11328
07:42:41,208 --> 07:42:40,138
but I just need to stretch and I'm going

11329
07:42:45,770 --> 07:42:41,218
to stretch here

11330
07:42:47,030 --> 07:42:45,780
cool okay I'll go I guess first Tyler if

11331
07:42:50,208 --> 07:42:47,040
you don't mind

11332
07:42:53,090 --> 07:42:50,218
yeah basically um it's an uh

11333
07:42:54,948 --> 07:42:53,100
observational Theory so basically the

11334
07:42:57,048 --> 07:42:54,958
theory is that we can see the dimensions

11335
07:42:59,810 --> 07:42:57,058
and it's all based on size

11336
07:43:02,208 --> 07:42:59,820
so if you go back if you think um it

11337
07:43:04,190 --> 07:43:02,218
could all be vibrations frequencies so

11338
07:43:07,910 --> 07:43:04,200
if we just look at size

11339
07:43:09,468 --> 07:43:07,920
and we look down into our our own

11340
07:43:12,110 --> 07:43:09,478
Dimensions you know as you go smaller

11341
07:43:15,890 --> 07:43:12,120
and smaller at every level we see life

11342
07:43:19,250 --> 07:43:15,900
essentially so replicating molecules

11343
07:43:21,708 --> 07:43:19,260
uh that basically emerge at each level

11344
07:43:23,750 --> 07:43:21,718
you know higher higher size level to us

11345
07:43:26,510 --> 07:43:23,760
right and I think that can be kind of

11346
07:43:28,430 --> 07:43:26,520
obvious if you use a microscope you know

11347
07:43:29,990 --> 07:43:28,440
back in in the 1700s and we found

11348
07:43:31,788 --> 07:43:30,000
microscopic life we were really

11349
07:43:34,070 --> 07:43:31,798
surprised that it was ordered you know

11350
07:43:35,628 --> 07:43:34,080
we would assume based on if this is the

11351
07:43:37,910 --> 07:43:35,638
the only Dimension essentially that

11352
07:43:39,650 --> 07:43:37,920
there shouldn't be order down low at

11353
07:43:41,448 --> 07:43:39,660
smaller Dimensions

11354
07:43:43,070 --> 07:43:41,458
um so I basically if you just build up

11355
07:43:44,570 --> 07:43:43,080
and don't stop at our Dimension you

11356
07:43:46,610 --> 07:43:44,580
continue looking up

11357
07:43:49,968 --> 07:43:46,620
then I would argue the argument is is

11358
07:43:52,190 --> 07:43:49,978
that just like the cells make up us they

11359
07:43:53,990 --> 07:43:52,200
live in our body and die in our body we

11360
07:43:55,128 --> 07:43:54,000
make up a cell in a larger organism

11361
07:43:56,690 --> 07:43:55,138
which I would call the Nations

11362
07:43:58,670 --> 07:43:56,700
essentially but you know there's many

11363
07:44:00,948 --> 07:43:58,680
different levels little tribes so

11364
07:44:03,048 --> 07:44:00,958
organizational Theory I guess going up

11365
07:44:04,250 --> 07:44:03,058
to the nation and then but basically why

11366
07:44:06,948 --> 07:44:04,260
stop there

11367
07:44:09,468 --> 07:44:06,958
uh So based off just the EMF diagram I

11368
07:44:11,628 --> 07:44:09,478
used an EMF diagram you know of how big

11369
07:44:13,968 --> 07:44:11,638
things are and if you notice if you look

11370
07:44:16,910 --> 07:44:13,978
on Google you cannot find any images

11371
07:44:19,730 --> 07:44:16,920
that go past the building size you know

11372
07:44:22,730 --> 07:44:19,740
basically 10 uh 10 to the third

11373
07:44:23,810 --> 07:44:22,740
size right so I just made it I continued

11374
07:44:26,090 --> 07:44:23,820
the chart

11375
07:44:27,968 --> 07:44:26,100
to go out all the way to the galactic

11376
07:44:30,170 --> 07:44:27,978
levels

11377
07:44:32,030 --> 07:44:30,180
you know when you have humans at 10 to

11378
07:44:33,948 --> 07:44:32,040
the 10 to the zero so we're at one meter

11379
07:44:36,350 --> 07:44:33,958
and then you go down and so I just laid

11380
07:44:38,330 --> 07:44:36,360
out all those scales and then I found

11381
07:44:41,628 --> 07:44:38,340
repeating patterns basically like

11382
07:44:44,090 --> 07:44:41,638
octaves along those scales so that's

11383
07:44:46,368 --> 07:44:44,100
that's basically the theory and I found

11384
07:44:48,230 --> 07:44:46,378
you had actually repeating patterns

11385
07:44:49,128 --> 07:44:48,240
based off of

11386
07:44:51,350 --> 07:44:49,138
um

11387
07:44:52,670 --> 07:44:51,360
uh the rule so rule of sevens

11388
07:44:55,368 --> 07:44:52,680
essentially so there was a number it

11389
07:44:57,468 --> 07:44:55,378
repeats very large 10 to the 21 zeros is

11390
07:45:00,468 --> 07:44:57,478
when the system actually repeats so that

11391
07:45:02,690 --> 07:45:00,478
that's basically summarization of the of

11392
07:45:05,448 --> 07:45:02,700
the theory

11393
07:45:08,990 --> 07:45:05,458
very interesting there's a lot of

11394
07:45:11,510 --> 07:45:09,000
similarities with my work as well

11395
07:45:13,910 --> 07:45:11,520
um I my work is uh I call it sentient

11396
07:45:16,968 --> 07:45:13,920
Singularity Theory and it's basically

11397
07:45:18,650 --> 07:45:16,978
that the totality of existence is like a

11398
07:45:21,288 --> 07:45:18,660
singularity of sentience that is

11399
07:45:25,670 --> 07:45:21,298
creating additional singularities within

11400
07:45:28,548 --> 07:45:25,680
itself or sentient beings and um but we

11401
07:45:31,750 --> 07:45:28,558
it also in some of my models I even have

11402
07:45:34,850 --> 07:45:31,760
Nation as a level above

11403
07:45:37,850 --> 07:45:34,860
uh humans as well that we are cells in

11404
07:45:40,010 --> 07:45:37,860
essentially a nation and uh it's it's

11405
07:45:44,150 --> 07:45:40,020
not as big as much based on size it's

11406
07:45:47,270 --> 07:45:44,160
more my work I tried to follow a lineage

11407
07:45:49,910 --> 07:45:47,280
um perspective I guess which parts go on

11408
07:45:52,788 --> 07:45:49,920
to make up larger part I guess larger

11409
07:45:57,708 --> 07:45:52,798
Parts but I try to avoid size actually

11410
07:46:02,150 --> 07:45:57,718
uh but it's it sounds very similar

11411
07:46:05,390 --> 07:46:02,160
so Glenn Glenn just commented and I just

11412
07:46:08,390 --> 07:46:05,400
want to say Glenn young that I emailed

11413
07:46:11,570 --> 07:46:08,400
you so please check your email and T car

11414
07:46:12,948 --> 07:46:11,580
I have I received what you said so thank

11415
07:46:15,288 --> 07:46:12,958
you so much that's just confirmation

11416
07:46:17,810 --> 07:46:15,298
sorry to interject and there's so like

11417
07:46:18,948 --> 07:46:17,820
man thank you it's not the end sounds

11418
07:46:20,570 --> 07:46:18,958
like the end but I just want to

11419
07:46:22,730 --> 07:46:20,580
interject just to thank you all again

11420
07:46:25,788 --> 07:46:22,740
for coming out

11421
07:46:28,730 --> 07:46:25,798
eight hours ten minutes eight hours 12

11422
07:46:30,890 --> 07:46:28,740
minutes and there are there have been so

11423
07:46:34,070 --> 07:46:30,900
here's the lineup so far for today

11424
07:46:35,990 --> 07:46:34,080
Ian mcgilchrist Michael Levin Don

11425
07:46:38,628 --> 07:46:36,000
Hoffman like that alone

11426
07:46:41,868 --> 07:46:38,638
that's enough then

11427
07:46:44,510 --> 07:46:41,878
Gary Nolan comes on then Andy from that

11428
07:46:48,070 --> 07:46:44,520
UFO podcast Dan from that UFO podcast

11429
07:46:50,750 --> 07:46:48,080
John for veggie Carlos from the stmf

11430
07:46:53,390 --> 07:46:50,760
Christina Gomez was here I'll be lobe

11431
07:46:56,030 --> 07:46:53,400
Garrett Vandenberg Anthony mativier Greg

11432
07:46:58,788 --> 07:46:56,040
Henry X Jesse Mitchells Chris little

11433
07:47:00,948 --> 07:46:58,798
Tyler Goldstein Lillian dindo came on

11434
07:47:02,628 --> 07:47:00,958
that I love that part

11435
07:47:05,208 --> 07:47:02,638
Daniel smonberger was supposed to come

11436
07:47:06,410 --> 07:47:05,218
on SO Daniel sorry you're you're not a

11437
07:47:08,208 --> 07:47:06,420
good guy in my books you said you were

11438
07:47:11,230 --> 07:47:08,218
coming you know you're borrowed from tow

11439
07:47:14,448 --> 07:47:11,240
so Shanna Jones I'm just kidding Daniel

11440
07:47:17,690 --> 07:47:14,458
Shoshanna came on Ross coldheart came on

11441
07:47:19,010 --> 07:47:17,700
rich and Amy came on Robert Kuhn came on

11442
07:47:22,190 --> 07:47:19,020
Lou

11443
07:47:25,128 --> 07:47:22,200
Angelus came on Daniel from active

11444
07:47:26,690 --> 07:47:25,138
inference geez comb Kelleher

11445
07:47:29,868 --> 07:47:26,700
what the heck

11446
07:47:31,610 --> 07:47:29,878
we're all a part of that isn't that nuts

11447
07:47:33,590 --> 07:47:31,620
do you ever look at what you do Tyler

11448
07:47:35,690 --> 07:47:33,600
and like you see the impact and same

11449
07:47:37,670 --> 07:47:35,700
Chris and and you're just thinking this

11450
07:47:39,650 --> 07:47:37,680
is it's just not only fun but like we're

11451
07:47:43,610 --> 07:47:39,660
so lucky

11452
07:47:45,890 --> 07:47:43,620
yeah it's been an amazing last two to

11453
07:47:47,270 --> 07:47:45,900
three years of watching this

11454
07:47:49,730 --> 07:47:47,280
I guess

11455
07:47:52,850 --> 07:47:49,740
field bloom

11456
07:47:55,548 --> 07:47:52,860
and this topic really catch on and go a

11457
07:47:57,590 --> 07:47:55,558
new Direction then it has uh you know in

11458
07:47:59,930 --> 07:47:57,600
decades prior

11459
07:48:01,730 --> 07:47:59,940
I think it's very exciting

11460
07:48:03,230 --> 07:48:01,740
yeah what do you think it's cool to go

11461
07:48:06,770 --> 07:48:03,240
around your you know really seems like

11462
07:48:08,930 --> 07:48:06,780
your channel has been a key Pivot Point

11463
07:48:11,448 --> 07:48:08,940
you know I to be honest I haven't

11464
07:48:12,650 --> 07:48:11,458
watched it in just the last month but I

11465
07:48:14,090 --> 07:48:12,660
go through periods where I'll really

11466
07:48:16,430 --> 07:48:14,100
pick up you know

11467
07:48:18,110 --> 07:48:16,440
real topics and watch like three hours

11468
07:48:19,910 --> 07:48:18,120
of your crazy long

11469
07:48:23,150 --> 07:48:19,920
crazy long interviews you know it's cool

11470
07:48:24,948 --> 07:48:23,160
to see this these interactions happening

11471
07:48:26,750 --> 07:48:24,958
what is it this is like a medical

11472
07:48:27,770 --> 07:48:26,760
conversation what is it that you think

11473
07:48:31,310 --> 07:48:27,780
is

11474
07:48:34,070 --> 07:48:31,320
the reason for the

11475
07:48:35,690 --> 07:48:34,080
increase in interest in theories of

11476
07:48:36,890 --> 07:48:35,700
everything not just let's say the toe

11477
07:48:39,830 --> 07:48:36,900
Channel itself

11478
07:48:43,448 --> 07:48:39,840
but the actual physics and Consciousness

11479
07:48:49,430 --> 07:48:46,910
is much much more popular now I was

11480
07:48:52,208 --> 07:48:49,440
mentioning before I talked to Dr Dean

11481
07:48:55,070 --> 07:48:52,218
radden you know he's been in the the the

11482
07:48:56,628 --> 07:48:55,080
pseudoscientific realm for decades of

11483
07:48:57,948 --> 07:48:56,638
Consciousness you know just kind of

11484
07:49:00,110 --> 07:48:57,958
grinding when no one really paid

11485
07:49:01,810 --> 07:49:00,120
attention and he said it used to be that

11486
07:49:03,830 --> 07:49:01,820
you would have maybe one Consciousness

11487
07:49:08,150 --> 07:49:03,840
conference a year

11488
07:49:11,810 --> 07:49:10,368
yeah well I'm asking him not yeah I'm

11489
07:49:14,150 --> 07:49:11,820
asking

11490
07:49:16,968 --> 07:49:14,160
what's

11491
07:49:18,948 --> 07:49:16,978
responsible for that

11492
07:49:21,530 --> 07:49:18,958
what do you attribute that to

11493
07:49:23,330 --> 07:49:21,540
Tyler do you have any ideas like is

11494
07:49:25,570 --> 07:49:23,340
there some event that happened is this

11495
07:49:27,530 --> 07:49:25,580
just a fad

11496
07:49:30,770 --> 07:49:27,540
a few decades

11497
07:49:33,888 --> 07:49:30,780
I think that it's it it has a lot to do

11498
07:49:35,330 --> 07:49:33,898
with the internet and um the rise of

11499
07:49:38,388 --> 07:49:35,340
long-form

11500
07:49:40,968 --> 07:49:38,398
podcasting and and uh interviews of

11501
07:49:42,650 --> 07:49:40,978
these topics and I think also as that

11502
07:49:45,530 --> 07:49:42,660
has happened

11503
07:49:47,570 --> 07:49:45,540
it's really become Apparent at least

11504
07:49:50,150 --> 07:49:47,580
from my perspective that

11505
07:49:52,610 --> 07:49:50,160
Consciousness I mean I try not to use

11506
07:49:54,350 --> 07:49:52,620
that word so much I try to use sentience

11507
07:49:56,150 --> 07:49:54,360
more but just because it's a bit more

11508
07:49:58,788 --> 07:49:56,160
defined but

11509
07:50:02,208 --> 07:49:58,798
um I think so I mean it's just it the

11510
07:50:04,090 --> 07:50:02,218
focus on feeling uh is

11511
07:50:06,288 --> 07:50:04,100
is more specific than I think

11512
07:50:08,270 --> 07:50:06,298
Consciousness tends to have just so many

11513
07:50:10,250 --> 07:50:08,280
different meanings depending on who

11514
07:50:12,770 --> 07:50:10,260
you're talking to and even how you're

11515
07:50:15,048 --> 07:50:12,780
using it even in the same person uh you

11516
07:50:16,670 --> 07:50:15,058
could say I'm conscious of that but I'm

11517
07:50:19,610 --> 07:50:16,680
also conscious

11518
07:50:20,650 --> 07:50:19,620
it's like there's that's two different

11519
07:50:23,510 --> 07:50:20,660
um

11520
07:50:26,448 --> 07:50:23,520
so it gets it gets a little complicated

11521
07:50:30,350 --> 07:50:26,458
in using it in a specific manner but I

11522
07:50:34,430 --> 07:50:30,360
think that just because it is becoming

11523
07:50:36,770 --> 07:50:34,440
apparent that you can't separate that

11524
07:50:40,910 --> 07:50:36,780
under understanding what is you know

11525
07:50:43,610 --> 07:50:40,920
mind essentially from this you from any

11526
07:50:45,410 --> 07:50:43,620
kind of unification of fields uh because

11527
07:50:47,650 --> 07:50:45,420
we're the ones you know observing and

11528
07:50:50,868 --> 07:50:47,660
and maneuvering these fields

11529
07:50:52,968 --> 07:50:50,878
it's made it also a lot more

11530
07:50:56,270 --> 07:50:52,978
universally appealing to people because

11531
07:50:59,270 --> 07:50:56,280
we are it's all it's become much more

11532
07:51:01,670 --> 07:50:59,280
about understanding ourselves I think

11533
07:51:03,830 --> 07:51:01,680
and that has made it very popular

11534
07:51:05,270 --> 07:51:03,840
it just feels like there's been a mental

11535
07:51:07,430 --> 07:51:05,280
phase shift

11536
07:51:10,330 --> 07:51:07,440
and I think kovid kind of started it

11537
07:51:13,368 --> 07:51:10,340
kind of pushed people down the path and

11538
07:51:15,170 --> 07:51:13,378
essentially I think we're at least I my

11539
07:51:17,150 --> 07:51:15,180
audience is U.S Centric you know it's

11540
07:51:18,770 --> 07:51:17,160
half half from the U.S

11541
07:51:21,468 --> 07:51:18,780
and it just seems like there's kind of

11542
07:51:22,910 --> 07:51:21,478
been a mental Shake where

11543
07:51:25,670 --> 07:51:22,920
you know we don't know everything

11544
07:51:28,850 --> 07:51:25,680
whereas before I think you had a lot of

11545
07:51:31,788 --> 07:51:28,860
there's a lot of uh anomalies in all of

11546
07:51:33,888 --> 07:51:31,798
these fields you know you the quantum uh

11547
07:51:35,030 --> 07:51:33,898
the Double set experiment you know you

11548
07:51:37,250 --> 07:51:35,040
can mention any Consciousness

11549
07:51:39,530 --> 07:51:37,260
experiments there's kind of these

11550
07:51:41,090 --> 07:51:39,540
anomalies where I think they've just

11551
07:51:42,048 --> 07:51:41,100
mainstream science been kind of ignoring

11552
07:51:44,030 --> 07:51:42,058
them

11553
07:51:45,530 --> 07:51:44,040
but now that it's piecing together as

11554
07:51:47,208 --> 07:51:45,540
we've kind of reached a

11555
07:51:48,468 --> 07:51:47,218
you know the snowball's built up to be

11556
07:51:49,788 --> 07:51:48,478
large enough to now where people are

11557
07:51:50,930 --> 07:51:49,798
like maybe I should go check that out

11558
07:51:52,610 --> 07:51:50,940
you know maybe

11559
07:51:54,530 --> 07:51:52,620
maybe the some of these conspiracy

11560
07:51:56,388 --> 07:51:54,540
theories actually do hold water you know

11561
07:51:58,310 --> 07:51:56,398
like I said earlier they all there are

11562
07:51:59,990 --> 07:51:58,320
some valid conspiracy theories so I

11563
07:52:01,910 --> 07:52:00,000
don't know it seems like I think people

11564
07:52:03,350 --> 07:52:01,920
are just more open-minded

11565
07:52:04,968 --> 07:52:03,360
they're kind of curious what's what's

11566
07:52:06,888 --> 07:52:04,978
out there and what could be out there

11567
07:52:08,030 --> 07:52:06,898
it's exciting for me I find it very

11568
07:52:11,388 --> 07:52:08,040
exciting

11569
07:52:14,208 --> 07:52:11,398
yeah hey someone's come to say hi and

11570
07:52:16,968 --> 07:52:14,218
it's going to be the last one

11571
07:52:18,350 --> 07:52:16,978
Daniel did you hear me bar you from toe

11572
07:52:20,690 --> 07:52:18,360
and then you you're like okay let me

11573
07:52:23,510 --> 07:52:20,700
just get on right now this is I don't I

11574
07:52:25,788 --> 07:52:23,520
don't want to be in Kurt's bad side

11575
07:52:31,310 --> 07:52:25,798
Daniel you're muted

11576
07:52:36,948 --> 07:52:33,650
no can't hear you

11577
07:52:39,530 --> 07:52:36,958
it's Bard no yeah yeah rejected and

11578
07:52:41,090 --> 07:52:39,540
kicking out nope sorry it's too late I'm

11579
07:52:43,128 --> 07:52:41,100
just kidding kidding around

11580
07:52:44,810 --> 07:52:43,138
so my wife will be here shortly so

11581
07:52:48,230 --> 07:52:44,820
here's the schedule while Daniel is

11582
07:52:50,208 --> 07:52:48,240
working out the Kinks Tyler and Chris I

11583
07:52:53,090 --> 07:52:50,218
just I'm gonna say bye to you but after

11584
07:52:55,490 --> 07:52:53,100
Daniel is here and then I'll speak to

11585
07:52:56,628 --> 07:52:55,500
the audience for a bit to you all I just

11586
07:52:58,250 --> 07:52:56,638
I don't even like calling it The

11587
07:52:59,990 --> 07:52:58,260
Audience or you all I feel like that's

11588
07:53:02,690 --> 07:53:00,000
so impersonal I just want to list you

11589
07:53:06,110 --> 07:53:02,700
each by name so the memes of Destruction

11590
07:53:08,990 --> 07:53:06,120
candidate candidate Joseph M T Carr

11591
07:53:10,250 --> 07:53:09,000
Jacob loyal Nancy pulley hi by me you

11592
07:53:13,368 --> 07:53:10,260
Ronald

11593
07:53:17,868 --> 07:53:13,378
digital content Richard Cliff Kurt

11594
07:53:20,388 --> 07:53:17,878
another Curt Barack so thank you all I I

11595
07:53:22,730 --> 07:53:20,398
want to know what is it well what are

11596
07:53:24,230 --> 07:53:22,740
you almost grateful for everyone who's

11597
07:53:27,948 --> 07:53:24,240
who's why don't you list what are you

11598
07:53:30,948 --> 07:53:27,958
grateful for from 2022 and okay Daniel

11599
07:53:32,868 --> 07:53:30,958
seems to be gone so so either way I want

11600
07:53:35,388 --> 07:53:32,878
to say like it's an honor it's a

11601
07:53:37,788 --> 07:53:35,398
pleasure to spend my last public minutes

11602
07:53:40,128 --> 07:53:37,798
with you all for the year

11603
07:53:44,448 --> 07:53:40,138
Tyler you put out so much content like a

11604
07:53:46,310 --> 07:53:44,458
meta commentary on toes and I appreciate

11605
07:53:49,128 --> 07:53:46,320
that and Chris you've done so much for

11606
07:53:52,510 --> 07:53:49,138
the UFO the UAP I was going to say

11607
07:53:55,010 --> 07:53:52,520
industry it's not industry field

11608
07:53:59,690 --> 07:53:55,020
industry well some people think it is

11609
07:54:01,490 --> 07:53:59,700
but I'm a big fan thank you thanks yeah

11610
07:54:03,468 --> 07:54:01,500
thank you all for for being here it

11611
07:54:05,628 --> 07:54:03,478
seems like Daniel's gone so

11612
07:54:08,570 --> 07:54:05,638
at least Daniel appeared so we can add

11613
07:54:09,708 --> 07:54:08,580
Daniel schmuttenberger to that geez you

11614
07:54:12,650 --> 07:54:09,718
didn't hear him but

11615
07:54:14,990 --> 07:54:12,660
okay all right

11616
07:54:17,150 --> 07:54:15,000
thank you Tyler thank you Chris

11617
07:54:19,490 --> 07:54:17,160
have a good night and please give and

11618
07:54:22,490 --> 07:54:19,500
just say goodbye to the audience as well

11619
07:54:24,350 --> 07:54:22,500
and then leave and I'll say goodbye to

11620
07:54:26,448 --> 07:54:24,360
the audience after

11621
07:54:28,610 --> 07:54:26,458
or I'll go yeah I'd like to say I am

11622
07:54:31,368 --> 07:54:28,620
grateful man this this past year kind of

11623
07:54:34,070 --> 07:54:31,378
a much more positive uh I have a much

11624
07:54:35,750 --> 07:54:34,080
more positive outlook on the life uh on

11625
07:54:37,670 --> 07:54:35,760
life in general you know and I think a

11626
07:54:39,288 --> 07:54:37,680
lot of that's just from I see the world

11627
07:54:41,030 --> 07:54:39,298
moving in in a better Direction you know

11628
07:54:43,968 --> 07:54:41,040
I think a lot of people are really

11629
07:54:46,190 --> 07:54:43,978
Doom and Gloom these days but I think uh

11630
07:54:47,510 --> 07:54:46,200
a lot of it starts inside internally and

11631
07:54:49,610 --> 07:54:47,520
I think mentally we're going the right

11632
07:54:51,350 --> 07:54:49,620
direction so I'm excited I'm really

11633
07:54:53,270 --> 07:54:51,360
excited for 2023 thanks for having me on

11634
07:54:55,610 --> 07:54:53,280
and happy New Year to everybody nice to

11635
07:54:58,788 --> 07:54:55,620
meet you Tyler thanks for coming on

11636
07:55:01,250 --> 07:54:58,798
Chris and Tyler Tyler Goldstein theory

11637
07:55:03,590 --> 07:55:01,260
of every one one spelled with a zero and

11638
07:55:04,730 --> 07:55:03,600
E and again I'll link this all in the

11639
07:55:07,430 --> 07:55:04,740
description

11640
07:55:08,628 --> 07:55:07,440
yeah I'm uh I'm just very grateful for

11641
07:55:10,730 --> 07:55:08,638
uh

11642
07:55:11,690 --> 07:55:10,740
just this I mean a lot of things this

11643
07:55:14,150 --> 07:55:11,700
year

11644
07:55:17,090 --> 07:55:14,160
um you know family this this

11645
07:55:19,610 --> 07:55:17,100
uh experience that and this uh

11646
07:55:21,230 --> 07:55:19,620
for your channel for just the changing

11647
07:55:23,388 --> 07:55:21,240
conversation that's been happening over

11648
07:55:26,448 --> 07:55:23,398
all of this and I also am very

11649
07:55:28,010 --> 07:55:26,458
optimistic um like Chris said it's there

11650
07:55:30,830 --> 07:55:28,020
seems to be a lot of Doom and Gloom but

11651
07:55:32,150 --> 07:55:30,840
at the same time there's it's there's a

11652
07:55:34,670 --> 07:55:32,160
lot of change happening and there's a

11653
07:55:37,670 --> 07:55:34,680
lot of opportunity and change so very

11654
07:55:39,888 --> 07:55:37,680
grateful and looking forward to 2023

11655
07:55:42,830 --> 07:55:39,898
Daniel it's good to meet you

11656
07:55:46,670 --> 07:55:42,840
I believe I can hear you now no still

11657
07:55:51,830 --> 07:55:49,430
okay that's okay

11658
07:55:53,690 --> 07:55:51,840
that's okay Daniel why don't you just

11659
07:55:56,330 --> 07:55:53,700
well I don't know what to do I don't

11660
07:55:58,730 --> 07:55:56,340
know sign language it was

11661
07:56:00,948 --> 07:55:58,740
gonna have to be the way it is yeah okay

11662
07:56:02,810 --> 07:56:00,958
it's gonna have to be like this so I'm

11663
07:56:04,250 --> 07:56:02,820
gonna just say Daniel it's a pleasure to

11664
07:56:06,170 --> 07:56:04,260
meet you even though we didn't get to

11665
07:56:07,850 --> 07:56:06,180
actually meet see if you can work out

11666
07:56:10,490 --> 07:56:07,860
your sound issues it'd be great if I

11667
07:56:11,750 --> 07:56:10,500
could we could just hear your voice

11668
07:56:13,850 --> 07:56:11,760
we'll spend another couple minutes

11669
07:56:15,708 --> 07:56:13,860
everyone here can we wait another couple

11670
07:56:21,350 --> 07:56:15,718
minutes

11671
07:56:21,360 --> 07:56:26,628
no we'll wait

11672
07:56:31,190 --> 07:56:29,150
beautiful podcast thank you

11673
07:56:32,750 --> 07:56:31,200
thank you Joanna I'll just be thinking

11674
07:56:35,330 --> 07:56:32,760
in the chats

11675
07:56:37,070 --> 07:56:35,340
Thor I can read lips so you can at least

11676
07:56:39,048 --> 07:56:37,080
speak to Thor here

11677
07:56:40,968 --> 07:56:39,058
now I am become deaf

11678
07:56:42,888 --> 07:56:40,978
thank you thank you

11679
07:56:45,230 --> 07:56:42,898
David thank you

11680
07:56:46,850 --> 07:56:45,240
thank you thank you thank you all thank

11681
07:56:49,968 --> 07:56:46,860
you all

11682
07:56:55,910 --> 07:56:52,430
no Tyler Tyler stay on until

11683
07:56:57,770 --> 07:56:55,920
I kick you out okay I think it's fine if

11684
07:56:58,610 --> 07:56:57,780
you don't mind no I don't mind that's

11685
07:57:01,670 --> 07:56:58,620
fine

11686
07:57:04,070 --> 07:57:01,680
just didn't want to intrude

11687
07:57:07,250 --> 07:57:04,080
I I'm about now I think it'd be nice for

11688
07:57:09,948 --> 07:57:07,260
us all to just there we go

11689
07:57:11,750 --> 07:57:09,958
there we go it comes with the like the

11690
07:57:14,150 --> 07:57:11,760
voice all right oh my goodness I'm so

11691
07:57:15,830 --> 07:57:14,160
sorry about that

11692
07:57:18,350 --> 07:57:15,840
that's all right it's good to meet you

11693
07:57:19,610 --> 07:57:18,360
yeah it's good to uh meet you live as

11694
07:57:22,310 --> 07:57:19,620
well

11695
07:57:24,708 --> 07:57:22,320
and uh Tyler good to meet you and I

11696
07:57:26,868 --> 07:57:24,718
don't I don't see everybody else here on

11697
07:57:29,090 --> 07:57:26,878
my screen

11698
07:57:31,548 --> 07:57:29,100
there is no one else there's 800 other

11699
07:57:32,990 --> 07:57:31,558
880 other people watching live right now

11700
07:57:36,888 --> 07:57:33,000
but essentially we're just saying good

11701
07:57:38,990 --> 07:57:36,898
night goodbye and I I would love to go

11702
07:57:40,968 --> 07:57:39,000
in deeper with you and talk about

11703
07:57:42,468 --> 07:57:40,978
well several subjects that we've talked

11704
07:57:44,388 --> 07:57:42,478
about over email

11705
07:57:46,610 --> 07:57:44,398
but for now why don't you just say what

11706
07:57:49,368 --> 07:57:46,620
you're most grateful for for 2022 and

11707
07:57:50,448 --> 07:57:49,378
what you're looking forward to in 2023

11708
07:57:55,750 --> 07:57:50,458
um

11709
07:58:01,310 --> 07:57:59,510
I'll say it in context to this situation

11710
07:58:02,270 --> 07:58:01,320
here

11711
07:58:04,368 --> 07:58:02,280
um

11712
07:58:06,650 --> 07:58:04,378
oftentimes I talk about some of the

11713
07:58:09,048 --> 07:58:06,660
risks that novel types of Technology

11714
07:58:10,368 --> 07:58:09,058
create but that doesn't mean that they

11715
07:58:13,250 --> 07:58:10,378
don't also create lots of awesome

11716
07:58:17,510 --> 07:58:13,260
capabilities and so

11717
07:58:19,190 --> 07:58:17,520
you using the ability to broadcast and

11718
07:58:20,868 --> 07:58:19,200
bring people together to advance

11719
07:58:22,548 --> 07:58:20,878
people's understanding of how we more

11720
07:58:24,590 --> 07:58:22,558
deeply understand the Universe I think

11721
07:58:27,350 --> 07:58:24,600
is a sign of something pretty awesome

11722
07:58:28,968 --> 07:58:27,360
that there are networks of affinity that

11723
07:58:31,968 --> 07:58:28,978
are coming together

11724
07:58:34,430 --> 07:58:31,978
to be able to have the deepest thinking

11725
07:58:36,110 --> 07:58:34,440
across disciplines oriented to the most

11726
07:58:39,170 --> 07:58:36,120
important topics and able to have

11727
07:58:41,150 --> 07:58:39,180
Community emerge globally around that I

11728
07:58:44,150 --> 07:58:41,160
think that's something pretty exciting

11729
07:58:49,070 --> 07:58:47,868
I think I I appreciate seeing Theory of

11730
07:58:51,288 --> 07:58:49,080
Everything not be limited to

11731
07:58:52,190 --> 07:58:51,298
mathematical physics but uh you know

11732
07:58:54,350 --> 07:58:52,200
having people thinking about

11733
07:58:57,288 --> 07:58:54,360
phenomenology and semiotics and all

11734
07:58:58,910 --> 07:58:57,298
those things my work appreciates those

11735
07:58:59,810 --> 07:58:58,920
topics but doesn't do anything novel in

11736
07:59:03,128 --> 07:58:59,820
them

11737
07:59:09,170 --> 07:59:05,770
is novel

11738
07:59:11,208 --> 07:59:09,180
I said even taking what's disparate and

11739
07:59:13,670 --> 07:59:11,218
putting together in a putting together

11740
07:59:15,170 --> 07:59:13,680
firstly is novel obviously putting

11741
07:59:16,490 --> 07:59:15,180
together in a new ways novel but if you

11742
07:59:18,770 --> 07:59:16,500
take what's never been put together it's

11743
07:59:20,990 --> 07:59:18,780
automatically new

11744
07:59:23,628 --> 07:59:21,000
and I um

11745
07:59:25,430 --> 07:59:23,638
most of my focus for a while has been a

11746
07:59:27,770 --> 07:59:25,440
kind of Integrative Endeavor across the

11747
07:59:30,288 --> 07:59:27,780
various risks Humanity faces as a kind

11748
07:59:33,010 --> 07:59:30,298
of integrated set of design criteria for

11749
07:59:35,810 --> 07:59:33,020
how to do civilization design

11750
07:59:37,610 --> 07:59:35,820
and um I think

11751
07:59:39,288 --> 07:59:37,620
a number of the people who are in your

11752
07:59:40,850 --> 07:59:39,298
space have an interest that goes from

11753
07:59:42,830 --> 07:59:40,860
the purely theoretical how does the

11754
07:59:46,310 --> 07:59:42,840
universe work to is there applied side

11755
07:59:47,990 --> 07:59:46,320
on how we design a better human world uh

11756
07:59:51,590 --> 07:59:48,000
that's a topic that maybe we'll get to

11757
07:59:53,810 --> 07:59:51,600
discuss in 2023 yeah we will we will and

11758
07:59:56,628 --> 07:59:53,820
I'm looking forward to it

11759
07:59:59,090 --> 07:59:56,638
So Daniel yeah that's it Daniel thank

11760
08:00:00,888 --> 07:59:59,100
you for coming schmattenberger and Tyler

11761
08:00:03,530 --> 08:00:00,898
Goldstein thank you for being here thank

11762
08:00:05,628 --> 08:00:03,540
you for wrapping the year with me that's

11763
08:00:07,730 --> 08:00:05,638
like that's it's incredible thank you

11764
08:00:11,150 --> 08:00:07,740
yeah cool to touch base for a moment

11765
08:00:13,548 --> 08:00:11,160
yeah okay now before you go I was asking

11766
08:00:15,288 --> 08:00:13,558
I only asked this of calm but I'm

11767
08:00:17,330 --> 08:00:15,298
curious so if you've listened to the

11768
08:00:18,948 --> 08:00:17,340
toll podcast which one of the past year

11769
08:00:22,128 --> 08:00:18,958
is your is

11770
08:00:24,530 --> 08:00:22,138
one that you like the most

11771
08:00:26,628 --> 08:00:24,540
and same Tyler like which ones which one

11772
08:00:31,010 --> 08:00:26,638
stands out most to you for whatever

11773
08:00:35,150 --> 08:00:33,110
I have not got to listen to enough of

11774
08:00:37,548 --> 08:00:35,160
them in full to speak to that I would

11775
08:00:40,490 --> 08:00:37,558
like to it's actually high on my list

11776
08:00:43,750 --> 08:00:40,500
um the fact that you

11777
08:00:46,430 --> 08:00:43,760
did um some kind of uh

11778
08:00:49,128 --> 08:00:46,440
formal logic idealism from information

11779
08:00:50,750 --> 08:00:49,138
Theory I thought was really cool

11780
08:00:52,610 --> 08:00:50,760
um because most of the people who argue

11781
08:00:55,850 --> 08:00:52,620
against physicalism usually have to do

11782
08:00:59,150 --> 08:00:55,860
it in a pretty informal way

11783
08:01:00,708 --> 08:00:59,160
um so Castro up and folks like that and

11784
08:01:03,410 --> 08:01:00,718
uh

11785
08:01:04,968 --> 08:01:03,420
and then the fact that you also got to

11786
08:01:07,490 --> 08:01:04,978
things that were more focused on the

11787
08:01:09,948 --> 08:01:07,500
integrative epistemology like the theory

11788
08:01:14,330 --> 08:01:09,958
of knowledge rather than just kind of

11789
08:01:16,010 --> 08:01:14,340
the ontology Theory of Everything

11790
08:01:19,310 --> 08:01:16,020
um so I I would say rather than which

11791
08:01:21,170 --> 08:01:19,320
one I like the most I liked uh the

11792
08:01:23,388 --> 08:01:21,180
breadth of the topics that you included

11793
08:01:24,708 --> 08:01:23,398
in that scope

11794
08:01:28,968 --> 08:01:24,718
thanks

11795
08:01:31,910 --> 08:01:28,978
I uh I really liked uh Carl friston's uh

11796
08:01:34,368 --> 08:01:31,920
podcast with you and um or stream with

11797
08:01:40,510 --> 08:01:34,378
you I thought it was it's one I watched

11798
08:01:45,830 --> 08:01:43,670
I probably both I know I've seen both I

11799
08:01:47,448 --> 08:01:45,840
think and it's they're kind of blur at

11800
08:01:49,788 --> 08:01:47,458
this point but

11801
08:01:50,570 --> 08:01:49,798
um but just his being introduced to his

11802
08:01:53,270 --> 08:01:50,580
work

11803
08:01:55,850 --> 08:01:53,280
um was was fascinating

11804
08:01:58,368 --> 08:01:55,860
well very important

11805
08:02:00,350 --> 08:01:58,378
I'm super grateful for you both when I

11806
08:02:02,750 --> 08:02:00,360
think about what am I most grateful for

11807
08:02:05,930 --> 08:02:02,760
for 2022 it's it's number one it's my

11808
08:02:08,150 --> 08:02:05,940
wife and number two even just the other

11809
08:02:09,110 --> 08:02:08,160
day I was standing here and I was

11810
08:02:10,670 --> 08:02:09,120
looking at

11811
08:02:12,170 --> 08:02:10,680
we have an editor and we have an

11812
08:02:14,448 --> 08:02:12,180
operations manager and I'm just thinking

11813
08:02:18,788 --> 08:02:14,458
like man oh man like it just hit me like

11814
08:02:22,968 --> 08:02:18,798
this is darn cool that I get to do this

11815
08:02:24,708 --> 08:02:22,978
holy moly okay I think if I was to truly

11816
08:02:26,868 --> 08:02:24,718
appreciate it it would just bring me to

11817
08:02:29,868 --> 08:02:26,878
tears and I wouldn't be able to to move

11818
08:02:32,270 --> 08:02:29,878
so I have to take into small dosage

11819
08:02:34,010 --> 08:02:32,280
but anyway thank you thank you thank you

11820
08:02:37,010 --> 08:02:34,020
Dad I would say you have about as cool a

11821
08:02:38,270 --> 08:02:37,020
job as exists and you made it so yeah I

11822
08:02:40,010 --> 08:02:38,280
think that's that's a good lesson for

11823
08:02:43,128 --> 08:02:40,020
everybody about possibility

11824
08:02:44,570 --> 08:02:43,138
yeah yeah it's it's super cool yeah

11825
08:02:47,288 --> 08:02:44,580
yeah well anyway we'll talk some more

11826
08:02:50,448 --> 08:02:47,298
Daniel and Tyler

11827
08:02:53,388 --> 08:02:50,458
have a good New Year likewise thank you

11828
08:02:58,430 --> 08:02:56,628
okay let's see okay I just want to say

11829
08:03:00,410 --> 08:02:58,440
thank you to all of you who are watching

11830
08:03:03,110 --> 08:03:00,420
my wife is

11831
08:03:04,788 --> 08:03:03,120
out here somewhere she told she told me

11832
08:03:07,010 --> 08:03:04,798
she's waiting in the parking lot so

11833
08:03:08,868 --> 08:03:07,020
Glenn younger

11834
08:03:12,830 --> 08:03:08,878
I invited you on the stream just so you

11835
08:03:15,770 --> 08:03:12,840
know Glenn and it's okay next time next

11836
08:03:17,690 --> 08:03:15,780
time okay it's it's getting quite late

11837
08:03:19,610 --> 08:03:17,700
here there's this light here that's in

11838
08:03:21,888 --> 08:03:19,620
my face and it may affect my sleep but

11839
08:03:24,048 --> 08:03:21,898
will most likely will affect my sleep so

11840
08:03:27,948 --> 08:03:24,058
I better turn it off

11841
08:03:30,110 --> 08:03:27,958
in fact Sam can you can you turn it off

11842
08:03:31,430 --> 08:03:30,120
let's get some mood lighting in

11843
08:03:37,490 --> 08:03:31,440
wow

11844
08:03:40,548 --> 08:03:37,500
gonna eat I'm gonna eat oh my gosh

11845
08:03:42,948 --> 08:03:40,558
ravenously with my wife and just like a

11846
08:03:44,510 --> 08:03:42,958
glut and it's a pleasure and it's a

11847
08:03:46,548 --> 08:03:44,520
privilege thank you all thank you all

11848
08:03:48,650 --> 08:03:46,558
for coming out to this thank you Sam

11849
08:03:51,110 --> 08:03:48,660
everyone thanks Sam who's been behind

11850
08:03:52,730 --> 08:03:51,120
here the the jockey please I'm not

11851
08:03:55,190 --> 08:03:52,740
leaving until I see at least 10 thank

11852
08:03:57,410 --> 08:03:55,200
yous for Sam thanks Sammy thanks thanks

11853
08:03:58,788 --> 08:03:57,420
Sam thanks okay there's enough stamps

11854
08:04:00,830 --> 08:03:58,798
all right that's too much now I'm

11855
08:04:02,750 --> 08:04:00,840
getting jealous all right

11856
08:04:05,868 --> 08:04:02,760
thank you all thank you all for coming

11857
08:04:08,570 --> 08:04:05,878
out take care all right thank you thank

11858
08:04:10,610 --> 08:04:08,580
you so much for watching eight and a

11859
08:04:12,770 --> 08:04:10,620
half hours it was actually nine hours

11860
08:04:14,510 --> 08:04:12,780
because we came on a half hour early we

11861
08:04:17,208 --> 08:04:14,520
were just testing out behind the scenes

11862
08:04:19,610 --> 08:04:17,218
regardless essentially a nine hour long

11863
08:04:22,310 --> 08:04:19,620
live stream from start to finish you're

11864
08:04:24,288 --> 08:04:22,320
here thank you so much thank you for

11865
08:04:26,150 --> 08:04:24,298
watching for reading for listening for

11866
08:04:27,788 --> 08:04:26,160
commenting again if you'd like to see

11867
08:04:31,670 --> 08:04:27,798
more content like this then go to

11868
08:04:34,310 --> 08:04:31,680
patreon.com Kurt jymungal there's no

11869
08:04:36,530 --> 08:04:34,320
obligation all of Toad's content is free

11870
08:04:38,708 --> 08:04:36,540
if you'd like to contribute completely

11871
08:04:43,030 --> 08:04:38,718
voluntarily then visit that website

11872
08:04:44,810 --> 08:04:43,040
patreon.com Curt jymungal

11873
08:04:46,968 --> 08:04:44,820
c-u-r-t-j-a-i-m-u-n-g-a-l and contribute

11874
08:04:48,830 --> 08:04:46,978
with whatever you can either way your

11875
08:04:50,570 --> 08:04:48,840
viewership your listenership your

11876
08:04:52,310 --> 08:04:50,580
commenting is more than thanks enough

11877
08:04:53,690 --> 08:04:52,320
the fact that you care the fact that

11878
08:04:55,070 --> 08:04:53,700
you're watching you're still watching

11879
08:04:57,410 --> 08:04:55,080
you're still listening I'm just gonna

11880
08:04:58,910 --> 08:04:57,420
sit here

11881
08:05:01,490 --> 08:04:58,920
you're still watching you're still

11882
08:05:03,830 --> 08:05:01,500
listening thank you thank you so much

11883
08:05:07,610 --> 08:05:03,840
enjoy the New Year welcome to the new

11884
08:05:28,070 --> 08:05:16,480
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